Tyson Kidd and Daniel Bryan Are Boring

[Ralf E. Chubbs]

to the OP, I understand what you're saying, at least in regards to DBD... and I somewhat agree.

We know he's got all the talent in the world, based on his work previous to the WWE.

Frankly, though, his matches lately and his current moveset are boring. I've actually been thinking that for awhile now... I can only take so many kicks to the body before I become bored. This is pro wrestling, not the UFC.

I consider myself a casual IWC-er (no blind homeristic qualities for me), and try to take as much in as possible before weighing in.

Before DBD gets his Wrestlemania match, I think he needs a makeover... or at least the WWE should let him 'entertain' us with a broader range of moves.

 

[jbtreatment]

Imo i think there both far from being boring. There is just not that it factor. Danielson like someone mention before. His nxt promo against cole was awesome. The guy does and can speak when given opportunities to showcase it. Tyson on the other hand puts on great matchs. I think what is his problem is that he is a smaller mat based wrestler. Much like jamie knoble. Theres only so far you can go with taking these guys serious. I believe wwe was on the right track with the whole tyson kidd having a manager thing. Not sure what ever happened with that. But thats exactly what kidd needs is a mouthpiece.

 

[Davieboy2009]

Lacking charisma? Oh of course I will give you that they are lacking Charisma. But boring? Hell No! As The Crippler Chris Benoit showed before his horrendous acts, you can be boring on the mic and still get a huge reaction out of the crowed. You can have 0 charisma and yet still become a believable world champion. A person doesn't need a microphone to be a believable champion.

Giving DB him the MITB briefcase wasn't a mistake it was a ballsy move, the kinds of move you have to make before you can make progress. The kind of move the WWE has a reputation of being afraid to make for the most part (see ADR losing title quickly). Although I will say, I think DB will be the first one to lose his cash in. If not. John Everyman becomes world champion and average fans who have 0 shot of being in the WWE can live their dream through him.

But from what I get from some of the haters, they'd rather see the guys who take steroids, the Steiner's, the Hogans, Cenas, the Batistas....another man whom people gave him too much Charisma credit.

 

[Iwantwrestlingback!]

I don't think Daniel Bryan or Tyson Kid is anywhere near the two best stars in the WWE but I do think both have alot of potential. I think if Daniel Bryan can learn to be better on the mic (which takes time you have to understand) and can have more charisma he could become one of the great stars in WWE. I also think that Tyson Kid has potential but he has alot more work then Daniel Bryan has to get great in the WWE. The reason I say this is because he isn't as good in the ring as Bryan and he is also smalled which you know how the WWE is with small people...They have to work 10 times harder then the people like The Great Khalia (Who sucks!) But I think both in a few years could become great and if they put on a little more muscle that will make vince like them alot more!

 

[Paralyzer Z]

No disrespect to you Miz_Mark but honestly...... We should, people should care more about what a person does in the ring, rather than what he does on the Mic. Your saying that its more important for the WWE period to be all about entertaining us in on the Microphone and not in the ring...

I respect what you say about charisma and the assessment is true only because sure... Thats what the "E" and most fans want..But its all about wrestling skills more so to me than Mic skills.

Which is perhaps the reason why you and others love The Miz, people like you prefer just a wrestler being charismatic and sub par in the ring. And there is people like me that are all about wrestling skill. So when it comes to me, i prefer a "Daniel Bryan" over a "Miz" just like all time wise.. I'm a HBK/Kurt Angle guy compared to most that are a Hulk Hogan/Stone cold guy.

Sometimes charisma can be done in the ring with actions, rather than words on the microphone. Thats just the way i see things.

spoken like a true man.

Pro wrestling superstars need charisma and personality to get over, but does that doesnt necessarily mean that they have to deteriorate there move set to just punches kicks and a finishing sequence.

Daniel bryan is a guy who mastered the physical art of wrestling which is exploited to the max when it comes to non-mainstream indy wreslting. everything there is about the moves and the cool loking spots , as well as the technical holds. Danielson brought some of that to his WWE style wrestling.

He is not bad when it comes to mic work, crowd connection, or personality like the OP says. There is just a little room for improvement befor he cashes in that money in the bank contract. there is no doubt about it he will be a star one day and is NOT BORING.

 

[jmh1971nyr]

DB is not boring! The bookers book him terribly! He was over until he went over to SD! They aren't going to give him the MITB to lose. He will probably hold it for one night to 3 minutes. But my gut says by the time Wrestlemania comes around he will be a cross between Benoit and Brian Pillman. And lack mic skills means boring huh? Mark Henry and Randy Orton aren't exactly Chris Jericho on the mic! DB can wrestle circles around either. They just have been booked well!

As for Tyson Kidd I never liked him. He can wrestle but just never liked the guy! I wish Jay Lethal went to WWE!

 

[Trill Co$by]

Well I didn't get past the first paragraph, and quite frankly, I didn't have to. I read enough to know that this guy obviously either doesn't watch the WWE products that Kidd or Daniel are on, or he's just trying to be like your average "smark" in the IWC and pretend he's "cooler" than everyone else by being different... maybe even a bit of both.

Tyson Kidd, on NXT, has been one of the most compelling storylines and his matches with Yoshi Tatsu and Trent Barreta are always on point. In fact, I don't think that I've ever seen a bad Tatsu match. He's not the best on the mic, that much is true... but with that said, Bret Hart wasn't either. If Tyson's work doesn't impress you, then you're really a weird one. He can be as much of a highflying spot monkey as Jeff Hardy or RVD, or he can flip the switch and be right up there with Jericho or Benoit in terms of technical ability. He's very believable in the heel roll and he's just clean and crisp with everything he does. Watching Tyson Kidd is like watching a masterpiece, and that's a fact.

Daniel Bryan has until Mania to be built up, and right now, he's not even the focal point of Smackdown or even the Sin Cara match for that matter. People forget that Edge wasn't in the Main Event title picture when he won the money in the bank either. He had actually been feuding with Flair over the title for a while before WWE instantly put the title on him. Daniel Bryan will be pulled to the Main Event when the time is right, and until then, his matches are still exciting to watch. Whether he wins or loses, Daniel Bryan gives everybody the most amazing match on Smackdown. Like with Kidd, his mic skills are less than desirable, but once more that can be taught to the point where he'll be passable and believable. I mean not everyone in WWE is comfortable on the mic, but damn if Daniel Bryan can get in that ring then it's over.

But yeah, until you actually watch a match of theirs, I don't think anything you have to or want to say about them is worth worrying about.

 

[rockyrocky11]

... That's all I have to say. Maybe, if they went to the ring every week, did the same old shit, and cut a kiddy promo every week like Cena does, maybe you will like them? Oh, and Daniel Bryan has no personality? Have you seen ANY of his work outside of WWE? Oh, wait, chances are that you're a WWE Mark that refuses to accept anything outside of WWE, and anything that's not WWE is automatically 'crap'. WWE simply isn't giving Daniel Bryan a chance, they're putting him as a generic 'nerd', rather than letting him be the American Dragon badass that we all knew in Ring of Honor (I can hear you moaning already..).

Tyson Kidd on the other hand, how can you not like him? He's constantly putting on the best matches of the week (unfortunately they're all on NXT), He's cutting some great promos (once again, on NXT). I don't know what you want out of wrestlers, but I don't know how you can not like Tyson Kidd. Daniel Bryan I can understand, but it's not his fault. WWE simply isn't giving him a chance to show his personality.

This is the best type of response...look outside wwe..have u watch roh..watch indy wrestling and that'll show u...um well i posted this in a WWE!!! forum...and if the guy is so good why do i need to go OUTSIDE of the WWE to see him do something good...u guys are jokes

 

[Skinsley]

If you think these 2 guys are the best in the business, well I'd like to welcome you to the WWE. I'm not sure what some people see in these guys. I mean they're ok in the ring and that's being generous, becasue part of being good in the ring is making the crowd care AT ALL. Honestly I've never been impressed by either but HORRIBLE in terms of personality, mic skills, and drawing power. If it wasn't for Smackdown's fake audio crowd we'd hear crickets. If I was at an event I would probably pass out if I heard someone actually say "I hope Tyson Kidd comes out!"

The E in WWE stands for Entertainment. Not "This guy has 1000 moves so he's the best" even though we never see them.

If you haven't been paying attention I think the WWE company agrees with me, seeing how Bryan has the MITB briefcase yet can't beat Sin Cara, and i can't really remember a memorable Kidd moment. I was excited for the "Hart Dungeon" stars when they first showed up but once they stepped in the ring zzzzzzz.

The reason I am posting this is due to several forums and comments I've seen proclaiming them as the best superstars or most deserving of a push. Heck you can throw Del Rio in there because I've never understood the hype.

Can't wait for the responses, but it's just I would rather see Cena do the 5 moves of doom every night (I hate Cena) and overcome the odds against 30 people than watch them in the ring. Cena makes people care regardless of my opinon, and that's everyone's job. People say Bryan is like Benoit, ARE YOU KIDDING. Chris benoit was technical, but he made people care and his acting in the ring (watch a flying headbutt if you don't believe me) was great!!!

Bryan will cash in his briefcase and be the first to lose. That's my prediction, because he simply has nothing to give the WWE back in exchange for being pushed to the top.

You need to have EMOTION when you're in the ring and when on the mic to make people care, not just do the moves smooth in a robotic fashion.

Why do you think Hulk Hogan is the biggest star there's ever been??? Game, Set, Match.

Really...this shows what YOU know, and that seems to be sweet F.A!
Daniel Bryan and Tyson Kid are two of the best in ring performers in wrestling today and if they were lucky enough to have been in their wrestling prime back in the days when Benoit and the other best in the busines' were performing then it is almost certain that they would be spoken in the same or similar ranks as the former greats!

You are running off nostalgia in the sense that even for myself I am never going to love a superstar as I did Benoit and my other favourites back in the day. Wrestling and especially WWE has changed and will never again be what we remember as the good times although I am almost certain that these two would have made it in that era.

Daniel Bryan is being primed for a huge push. He is currently Jobbing to Sin Carra because when his push happens it will look even more of a feat. And he needs to remain on television for the time being regardless of the result.
I do agree that he will be the first to cash in the briefcase and not win the title, but only because he will do it fair and square. And that WONT hurt his career, infact could be a blessing in disguise.
Tyson Kidd is currently surpluss to requirements but WWE will use him soon enough you can count on that.

Mic Skills is important and they are both rather bland when it comes to PROMO's but then again so was Benoit and in my personal opinion (dont attack me) Shawn Michaels was pretty terrible when it came to the mic. The funny DX scenes were foolproof and anyone could have made those work.
Daniel Bryan will get their shot soon enough and you will see.

"Game, Set, Match" Really ?.... Really?

 

[rockyrocky11]

DB is not boring! The bookers book him terribly! He was over until he went over to SD! They aren't going to give him the MITB to lose. He will probably hold it for one night to 3 minutes. But my gut says by the time Wrestlemania comes around he will be a cross between Benoit and Brian Pillman. And lack mic skills means boring huh? Mark Henry and Randy Orton aren't exactly Chris Jericho on the mic! DB can wrestle circles around either. They just have been booked well!

As for Tyson Kidd I never liked him. He can wrestle but just never liked the guy! I wish Jay Lethal went to WWE!

Here's the thing about guys like Benoit Orton etc..yea they may be bad on the mic but when they're in the ring they show a ton of emotion...that's why the crowd cares so much..it looks like they put so much into the match..dbd can do 50000000 moves in one match but it still looks boring based on his reactions

 

[The American Legend]

I had to come out of retirement for this. Seriously, I just went through 5 minutes and multiple email address changes and form clicking to get in on this discussion.

Seriously, you think Daniel Bryan is boring? You're boring! With you're smarky 12 year old I know everything there is to know about wrestling cause I do the FU and Five Knuckle Shuffle on my little brother on our trampoline in the backyard. I have heard you're arguments before. And you know what? It doesn't matter what you think because you don't know anything!

Go to youtube. Look up Brian Danielson. Watch his last ROH tribute video. Watch his post elimination promos on NXT. Watch any of his pre WWE matches. Watch his feud with Ziggler. Just because every overweight woman and little kid in the arena doesn't jump up and start screaming when Bryan comes out, doesn't mean he's boring. Hopefully it won't be long before WWE unleashes him, and he starts kicking peoples heads again.
Did you ever stop and think that maybe he seems boring because WWE isn't letting him be himself? Like they do with so many other superstars.

You may think he's boring now, but in 6 years, you'll realize you saw true greatness in a WWE ring.

As for Kidd. Haven't heard him on the mike much, but he's been winning me over with his wrestling abilities. And wrestling skill matters a lot more to me then 20 minute speechs and promos.

Unless you're CM Punk. But he's another story...

 

[This Is My Name Thank You]

They are both ehh on the mic as they really don't get all the time to speak whenever I see them on T.V. But, in my eyes they both can wrestle really well and I find both of their ring work to be amazing. To me that makes them good in my eyes.

As, for the mic work that doesn't mean that much to me as I have no part of WWE in which it should matter. Sure I like guys who can talk but I also like guys that aren't the greatest on the mic. As long as they are good in the ring and not sloppy then that works for me.

I am a fan of both Kidd and Bryan so everything works well for them and maybe develops a little more personality.

 

[Captain Morgan Freeman]

I find it amusing that people can call themselves wrestling fans and yet complain about the two best pure wrestlers in the company today. I watch Smackdown every week without fail because of Daniel Bryan and Tyson Kidd. I know everytime i see them wrestle im going to get a great match. Honestly i don't think ive ever watched a Tyson Kidd match and not been entertained. The guy can make anybody look like gold when their in the ring with him and his match with Daniel Bryan a month ago was a masterclass.

To say they are terrible on the mike is unfair as neither of them have been given a fair chance by WWE to show their personality. Byran has the briefcase yet aside from NXT has not consistently gotten mike time and instead has to let his wrestling do the talking. Kidd was given a different manager each week for 3 weeks yet WWE wouldn't follow through with the idea. Is that Kidd or Bryan's fault? Hell no it's WWE's for not giving them a chance to show their personality.

But in my opinion if you can't appreciate the great wrestling that Bryan and Kidd put on every week and would rather watch 90 minutes of promos instead then it's you i feel sorry for.

 

[SharpShooter083]

So Bryan and Kidd are boring because they don't do stupid things every week like say "You can't see me" while waving a hand across their face or scream "I'm awesomeeeee" in their best tough guy voice? Verrry creative slogans BTW, really impressive. I agree mic skills are important but if your gonna judge people mainly on that then you should just watch a daytime soap opera. Over scripting and stupid backstage crap is what sucks about the product today and that's what has ruined the business for most long time fans.

Tool fans would rather see an hour and fifteen minutes of dialogue in a 2 hour RAW over matches that actually mean something.

Tool fans are the reason that most matches get cut down to 5 minutes every week just so they can squeeze in a backstage interview hearing the same guys say the SAME thing every week.

Tool fans are the reason that during those 5 minute matches we can't even enjoy them because Michael Cole, the ANNOUNCER is too busy trying to get his own heel character over instead of the match itself. At least when Ventura, Heenan and Lawler were on commentary they would put over the match and the wrestlers. What are we getting out of investing all this time into Michael Cole?

God I would give anything for the early 90's WWF/WCW & it's fans back again!!

 

[Ralf E. Chubbs]

This conversation is fucking ridiculous.

2 sides here:

1st- "Compared to other WWE 'Superstars', DBD is fucking boring. He kicks the shit out of a guy's chest for a few minutes and chokes somebody out... all while being ugly as sin. He doesn't have to be John 'bigger tits than my Grandma's droopers' Cena but at least do something... different... and entertaining! He doesn't draw, he shouldn't have won MITB, he sucks on the mic and he's BORING!"

2nd- "DBD is the best wrestler in the world, and has been for a decade, so go fuck yourself. WWE tells him what he can and cannot do and regardless of what's on TV he's the best. Just wait... No seriously, just wait. Watch some Youtube videos of him in ROH while you wait for the WWE to let him do his thing."


What the fuck ever.

 

[Trill Co$by]

This conversation is fucking ridiculous.

2 sides here:

1st- "Compared to other WWE 'Superstars', DBD is fucking boring. He kicks the shit out of a guy's chest for a few minutes and chokes somebody out... all while being ugly as sin. He doesn't have to be John 'bigger tits than my Grandma's droopers' Cena but at least do something... different... and entertaining! He doesn't draw, he shouldn't have won MITB, he sucks on the mic and he's BORING!"

2nd- "DBD is the best wrestler in the world, and has been for a decade, so go fuck yourself. WWE tells him what he can and cannot do and regardless of what's on TV he's the best. Just wait... No seriously, just wait. Watch some Youtube videos of him in ROH while you wait for the WWE to let him do his thing."


What the fuck ever.

Maybe you were like me and skipped over the entire posts, or maybe just read a few, but either way... I never once said anything about his ROH or indy days in this thread. Sure, it was great and I personally find his stuff with Nigel and Morishima are by far some of the greatest stuff you'll ever see... but we're not talking about Bryan Danielson. We're talking about what WWE has created to become Daniel Bryan.

I love Daniel Bryan, and yeah some of that stems from the Danielson era, but the fact still remains that he can still put on great matches. When he first arrived in NXT, he went toe to toe with the likes of Jericho and came out looking strong. After that, he went on to feud with the Miz, and again he had stellar matches. His two off matches with Ziggler last year at Bragging Rights and the Raw after were more great matches to his name as Daniel Bryan. Fast forward to this year, Bryan and Sheamus went on to mesh very well and have a great US title feud on Smackdown. Nowadays, sure Daniel Bryan doesn't win a lot, but he's got at least 6 months to develop before Mania and if given the right storyline, I'm sure he'll do just fine. Either way, his in ring abilities as DANIEL BRYAN are still far more than boring. If anything, his matches are the most exciting things on Smackdown in terms of matches.

As far as Tyson Kidd goes, I've said what I've had to say... and quite frankly, I stand by it. He's not the best talker, but give him a bit of time an he can survive. Either way, he's right up there with CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, and Williams Regal when it comes to his technical abilities and he rivals Gabriel, Bourne, and Kingston in terms of high flying talents. Trust me, if WWE can find the right storyline for Tyson, then he'll be gold. They started to get something going with the managers, but unfortunately, they didn't go through with it which was a bummer. Tyson with Striker would've been perfection.

Anyway, I'm rambling so I'll end this post.

 

[Paralyzer Z]

This conversation is fucking ridiculous.

2 sides here:

1st- "Compared to other WWE 'Superstars', DBD is fucking boring. He kicks the shit out of a guy's chest for a few minutes and chokes somebody out... all while being ugly as sin. He doesn't have to be John 'bigger tits than my Grandma's droopers' Cena but at least do something... different... and entertaining! He doesn't draw, he shouldn't have won MITB, he sucks on the mic and he's BORING!"

2nd- "DBD is the best wrestler in the world, and has been for a decade, so go fuck yourself. WWE tells him what he can and cannot do and regardless of what's on TV he's the best. Just wait... No seriously, just wait. Watch some Youtube videos of him in ROH while you wait for the WWE to let him do his thing."


What the fuck ever.

you bash this thread and yet give no opinion on kidd or bryan. Idiot

So the OP still claims that daniel bryan fails to show any emotion when wrestling for world wrestling entertaninment huh. HE SHOWS EMOTION WHEN SELLING IN THE RING!. Usually I am on the oposite side of a discusion that involves selling or storytelling but we are talking about daniel bryan. I will put this in a simple way, pain is emotion you know? He doesnt have to scream at the crowd to show he is good. What about when he does the filip of the top rope when his opponent is running at him? He yells at the crowd after that.

If daniel bryan is able to get a reaction out of the crowd then he is not boring!

 

[tomthebodz]

I don't think Daniel Bryan is boring at all. At the moment he's one of my favourite wrestlers in WWE. He shows great intensity in the ring. At the moment I feel sorry for the way he's being booked. I'd like to see him have a manager. Possibly William Regal, similar style, although I've heard that Regal wants one more run. A rivalry between those two would be really good.

Tyson Kidd I haven't really seen enough of. From what I've heard it seems WWE doesn't know what to do with him. Does he still have a different manager each week on Superstars?

 

[rockyrocky11]

:

If daniel bryan is able to get a reaction out of the crowd then he is not boring!

the problem is that he doesn't get a reaction out of the crowd, because he's boring...sin cara gets a louder pop and he botches like crazy

 

[Foshinzo]

Yeah, because being like Benoit is sure to be a good thing...

Benoit's tragic end aside, I think you make a valid comparison, and here's what you're apparently not realizing- Benoit had to bust his ass for 20 years before he finally became a World champion, and only achieved that once, being quickly relegated back down the card as soon as his reign was over.

Now, look at Daniel Bryan... Daniel Bryan is perhaps close to as good in the ring as Benoit was. Daniel Bryan is also significantly shorter than Benoit. And significantly lighter than Benoit. And has a vastly inferior body and look to Benoit. And, astoundingly enough, is even less charismatic and with inferior mic skills to Benoit. So, to recap, Daniel Bryan is like the guy who strove 20 years to get a brief moment in the main event spotlight and then quickly step back, but worse in almost all areas... That about sums it up.

Oh, and in the entertainment business, "boring" absolutely means "bad"

Yes, being like Benoit is a great thing.

Saying Benoit only had, "one brief moment," to me is like admitting you either weren't watching during the WCW days or even the early WWE days. He had one WWE title reign, not one brief moment. Also, he held the WCW Title because WCW really didn't want him to get away; they just waited way too late to show him that. Also, Benoit busted his ass for 20 years just to get the WWE to recognize him. He was already a cult icon from ECW by the time he got to WCW. Do you even know where he got the nickname, "The Crippler,"? WWE didn't like him for the same, "vanilla midget," logic that WCW had. Eddie, Jericho, Rey and plenty of others had to bust their asses for a long time to get recognized, too. Does that mean they weren't legitimate? Eddie only got one World Title reign, Jericho blew up despite the WWF letting him linger until the crowd made them notice (the night he beat HHH for the title,), not to mention he was wrestling Chyna for the Intercontinental Title, and, (I'm probably going to get so much heat for saying this,) Rey didn't get his title run until it was the sympathy story for Eddie. I'm sorry to say that, but I'm not saying whether or not Rey deserved it; I'm saying it's why the WWE pulled the trigger and did it. Benoit has only been dead for four years, and it amazes me how people already seem to be forgetting how great he was.

TL;DR
1) Benoit had more than one world championship in his career;
2) Success in WWF isn't everything;
3) You can tell a story with in-ring action; mic skills don't break you.

Now, as for Daniel Bryan, you say DBD is significantly shorter than Benoit...and Rey is significantly shorter than DBD. Since when does height have anything to do with anything? I get that he doesn't look 'roided up and sure, that'll sadly hurt his image, but Punk doesn't have that image either. I know Punk is much better than DBD as an overall performer, but image isn't everything. Despite not ever getting mic time and the knocks you give him for being small, DBD is still, obviously to a lot of people, entertaining.

I honestly don't even think DBD is the savior of pure wrestling like some people claim him to be, I just think he's a really good wrestler. But, when people start acting like poor mic skills make you boring, I wanna ask, "why do you even watch the matches, then?" Seriously, Daniel Bryan puts on entertaining matches, and is therefore entertaining. If you don't appreciate wrestling, then don't watch wrestling.

 

[The Dragon Saga]

Bryan Danielson played one of the most charismatic heels ROH had for awhile. His promos as a face were enjoyable and usually came across as a throwback to the old school promos of the NWA. In WWE, Daniel Bryan is a character who us portrayed as just a normal guy or as Michael Cole puts it, a "nerd" whose a great submissions wrestler. Sadly though whenever handed a microphone DBD usually shows up everyone, for example, this thread by showing a pretty good personality. Examples are his promos with The Miz, his promos with Cole on NXT, his promo when he got eliminated from NXT, his promos when he was feuding with Rhodes - which garnered three threads after Smackdown had aired on these very forums and usually the same consensus is heard.

Danielson, much like how he's one of the best if not the best; original "Best In The World" for those who know little about Ring of Honor, professional wrestler is watered down to fit the WWE style. His character is watered down too or he plays what they seek to a tee.

Danielson still does his job though. Goes out, puts on what normally becomes matches of the show, gets people over while getting himself over which is one of the reasons he's looked at so highly. Epitomises in-ring psychology too, just he has a habit of focusing on his arm a lot.

As far Tyson Kidd, he is pretty different. Has never shown any microphone skills and has no memorable promos or moments to be fair, very good in the ring however and much like DBD can get people over quite well, he doesn't have the effect of making himself shine at the same time sadly but he is a good asset in my eyes to the WWE and the Smackdown brand, probably deserves a better role but his role at the moment of being a pretty good enhancement talent could be worse. Gets a pretty good push on NXT too, if that means anything.

 

[Paralyzer Z]

the problem is that he doesn't get a reaction out of the crowd, because he's boring...sin cara gets a louder pop and he botches like crazy

That proves that emotion is not the biggest part in making wrestler boring or not. Sin cara wresltes under a mask so he can not show charisma. However he gets over with the crowd because of his wrestling style just as daniel bryan has though not as far as sin cara.

 

[H33LTurn]

I kind of have to agree with you here. Wrestling fans in general have to jump on a bandwagon sooner or later, and unfortunately they just seem to jump on the worst bandwagons possible. DB isnt all that great in the ring. You can only kick your way through a match so many times before it gets boring. Personality wise, hes not all that either. So he made a shoot promo, one promo doesnt carry you through your career (unless you're CM Punk ) and it doesnt make up for the lackluster career hes had. I think it would be great if he was the first to ever lose the MITB, but I dont see it happening. They're making him lose so that when he cashes in he lookes like the biggest f'n underdog ever.

That being said I think Tyson is ok in the ring, great personality wise, but has somehow lost his way. Its like they dont know what to do with him. If I were booking I'd make him a tag or IC champion and see where it goes.

 

[xoxo French Kiss xoxo]

[YOUTUBE]bWtb4hoYlqw[/YOUTUBE]

is that proof for you buddy?

I dont like tyson kidd he is boring both in the ring and on the mic so not much to say for him there.

But you insult the winner of the Wrestling new observer newsletter winner for the most outstanding wrestler 6 FREAKING YEARS IN A ROW!The guy is a phenominal technician and has proved he has personality and charisma through his nXT and post money in the bank promos. Not every match has to have guys making facail expressions every second. sometimes it just fine to have flashy moves in a match.

Daniel bryan/bryan daneilson was rightfully called "the best technician in the world" the next step is from there4 is to become the best SUPERSTAR in the world. By the way why are you bored with his in ring action? That doesnt need charisma to be oozing out of the guys like when they are having a promo. you sir I officaily classify as an anti-smark

I'm not going to watch the video, because I don't give a shit but what I will point out is that none of whats in that video has probably happened while he was in the WWE. He's not showing us anything in the WWE, and at this point thats all that matters.

Sure he's been wrestling for 15 years, sure he's had some great matches, sure he's probably a great wrestler, but most of us haven't/won't see any of those matches. Since were not seeing any of that from him in the WWE, and because the WWE is the only place where his actual talent matters, he can be classified as BORING.

Booker T and Christian are both former TNA/NWA chapions, but when it comes to the accomplishments that are mentioned on WWE TV they only mention accomplishments from WCW and WWE. Henry and Christian are both former ECW World Champs, but they don't get those title runs added to their list of World Titles on TV.

What any wrestler has done in the past in other federations, doesn't mean anything in the WWE. Why? Because it didn't happen in the WWE.

 

[The 1-2-3 Killam]

It's all about a mindset a lot of fans wish the WWE would focus on. The reason the fans don't care is because they've been trained to like a product of entertainment, and not wrestling. I completely agree with you about Kidd and Bryan not drawing and having matches were the crowd is completely dead. But for you to deny their in-ring ability is ignorant. Spot on with the analysis that a part of being good in the ring is getting the crowd into your match. But one way of doing that is to go out there and put on a wrestling classic.

I realize that Bryan and Kidd don't have the best mic ability. Honestly, it's pretty darn near BAD. But I do love them because they put on fantastic matches most of the time. It's about a mindset of liking wrestling over entertainment, and that's not everyone's cup of tea. It's the same reason I go to ROH live events whenever they're in Chicago, or I stop by Shimmer to see what the women's wrestlers are up to. There is a deep tradition and passion in the art of wrestling, not just the glamor of entertainment. It's all a part of the product, and has been since Hogan, and Flair before him. THe soap opera that is the WWE is one reason for watching, and another is the hope that maybe somebody good will be on, and put on a match worth watching. There is a deeper, more technical side to the fairy-tale product full of guest celebrities and genital jokes.