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Triple H seemed...out of place

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or is it just me? HHH is usually pretty solid on the mic, but tonight i thought he was very below average, especially for a guy who is a sure fire hall of famer and who is making his return after being out several months. maybe hes rusty, i dont know. but i thought he kept repeating himself and it was getting brutal. i actually was rooting for sheamus to interfere, and he did. sort of. i absolutely HATED how they had HHH absolutely OBLITERATE sheamus. they seem to have some kind of losing streak storyline going on with sheamus, i dont know, whatever, but it still sucked to see that happen.

not only that, but HHH seemed like he was expecting a monumental type crowd response for his return. he got a good one, but it was nowhere near the level of the rock (not that i think he should have, i dont), and i think thats what he was going for. he milked the time before he actually started talking.

i was skeptical at first, but i have become a big fan of the recent youth movement. guys like miz, dolph ziggler, alberto del rio, sheamus, wade barrett, cody rhodes, etc. i have really grown to like a lot of these guys. that doesnt mean i dont enjoy the once in a while comebacks by all time greats like the rock. but i was actually really excited to see a full time return of HHH...until now. my mind has been completely changed after tonight. HHH seemed 100% out of place tonight, and im really hoping that HHH isnt back to bury all these young studs, and god damnit he better not manipulate his way to breaking the undertaker's streak. i didnt mind the no words staredown last week, but i hope this gets better as his return storyline goes, but its got me a little worried.
 
He hasn't been out there for almost a year and he seemed fine to me. It probably wasn't as big of a response as he might have wanted, but it wasn't bad. He seemed the same as he usually does and even had a lot more raw emotion then usual. He was happy to be back and it showed.

I don't get what you saw, or didn't see. I thought he did just fine and it was back to business as usual for Triple H.
 
not only that, but HHH seemed like he was expecting a monumental type crowd response for his return. he got a good one, but it was nowhere near the level of the rock (not that i think he should have, i dont), and i think thats what he was going for. he milked the time before he actually started talking.

That is exactly what I thought. His mannerisms even resembled the Rock's when he came back. He kept pausing, maybe expecting people to start cheering. All in all it wasn't terrible, but there was an odd feeling that he expected more from the crowd, which was a little bland.
 
I don't blame HHH... the crowd wasn't all that great tonight. I even noticed during the Rock promo that they were way quieter than normal. Could be cuz he sent it in... but still...

I don't think HHH looked bad. And I am glad they at least had the Sheamus run-in. Even if it goes no further for now..at least it was addressed somewhat.
 
I felt the same way. While watching him , i felt like his character was no different then the past and was basically stale. I didnt buy the whole story of why he wanted to face taker. The whole thing seems forced and made up last minute. I kept thinking the youth shoulda been out there as weird as it sounds. It legit annoyed me that he buried Sheamus even more after MAKING him.
 
Well the crowd didn't seem all that hyped up cause he wasn't really talking about nothing that everyone didn't already know so I guess they was kinda like okay H get to the point, but when Sheamus came out & he kicked him in the balls they poped for that & when he put Sheamus throw a table they seem pretty excited about that also. So IMO it was a good way to kick off Raw cause I wasn't expecting HHH to came out at the beginning of the show, & he cut an okay promo not his best, but it was good to see him back to the basics. BTW they really didn't seem all that excited thru the Rock's promo either, but that could have been because they wanted to see him live.
 
for the record, i agree this seemed forced. but i absolutely think HHH vs. undertaker will be a great match at wrestlemania. id rather see that than taker vs. wade barrett right now. i like wade, but its too early in his career for such a high profile match, and there really isnt a higher profile match you could have than one with the undertaker at wrestlemania. it wont be at the level of shawn michaels vs. taker, either time, but then again...what will?
 
the fans at the arena really suck tonite. i dont understand why would you buy a front row ticket for a spectacle like raw, and just sit down, and be quiet. even if you bring your family, i would drop elbows and flair chops to my lady if i was at raw and she asked me if i wanted something from the stands, later apologizing for the accident. this past weekend i went to a circus with my girl and my little man, and i was screaming out of my lungs, the only one at that, i just did it to make sure my son had a great time. im family friendly.
 
I felt the same way. While watching him , i felt like his character was no different then the past and was basically stale. I didnt buy the whole story of why he wanted to face taker. The whole thing seems forced and made up last minute.


Last minute, you say? I agree completely. It's almost as if the WWE been planning/hoping for somehting else in its 2-21-11 promos. Almost as if, I don't know, some other guy was going to show up that night but it fell through. But no, that's crazy! It was Undertaker all along! It had to be!

:lmao:

Amazing how easily we ignore the evidence when it goes against our desires, huh?

But ANYWAY, as to the issue of Triple H's alleged "staleness" tonight... what'd you expect? It's not like he's had seven years for all his old catchphrases to become interesting to hear again (no offense Rock, you're great). He certainly wasn't going to debut some new gimmick.

You want stale, how about the guy he's facing? At least Triple H spends more time talking than he does walking to the ring.
 
I totally agreee the poster, i was sayin the exact same thing at home like "damn, when did triple h forgot how to talk?" just seemed out of place, he was repeating himself, and he pratically buried the new guys with his "theres nobody in the back" references i absolutely agree with everything u wrote and it kinda set the tone for what i deemed a pretty "lackluster" raw

and it does feel last minute now too, at first i liked the idea of taker/hhh, because i thought it would be hhh trying to avenge hbks lost, i mean that the way the storyline should be centered because then atleast the audience will feel a connection with that, aside from rock and cena confrontation, i worried about wrestlemania
 
I didn't watch Raw so I don't know, where was Raw located tonight? That crowd was terrible. Too many kids/women who simply can't make noise, not enough men in the crowd.

That being said, I thought HHH's promo was pretty good. Not his best, but not his worst. He honestly looked tired to me. He looked how I looked when I had my kids.
 
I'm a huge fan of Triple H and I always make sure to go on every WZ Forum I can find to defend the fact that he didn't "sleep his way to the top" but tonight really disappointed me. Not only did he give a lackluster (and rather boring) promo, but he completely belittled the entire WWE roster in a matter of 10 minutes. People say the Rock did that when he came back but that couldn't be further from the truth, he set an example and raised the bar for the locker room. Triple H legitimately belittled the roster and said 'nobody in the back' can take out Taker but him.

Apparently Triple H and Undertaker are the last 2 gods in a company full of peasants and slaves, or at least thats how Triple H sees it. Don't believe me? Look at Sheamus's brief interruption and you'll see exactly what I'm saying. Historically Triple H has put over talent that he approves of (Benoit, Cena, Batista, Orton, Jeff Hardy) so I'm completely baffled that he squashed the man who he personally favored in the company. He didn't even allow Sheamus to talk and draw heat for himself or anything, he just completely annihilated him in a selfish manner.

If this is the Triple H of the future, I hope to god Vince doesn't leave the company to him and Stephanie. Aurora will probably end up World Heavyweight Champion while Murphy and Vaughn are the tag team champs (Aurora Murphy and Vaughn are his daughters by the way) for a decade. Looks like somewhere between being Senior Adviser and the crappy Chaperone he completely forgot about wrestling and all he remembers is his ego.
 
I disagree with the poster. H did great foreshadowing about putting his career on the line as we all know it's gonna be streak v career again. He got his point across and was strr8 to the point. Sidenote: Did anyone think that they absolutely buried Sheamus at H's expense?
 
I'm a huge fan of Triple H and I always make sure to go on every WZ Forum I can find to defend the fact that he didn't "sleep his way to the top"

Well you could have fooled me going by the rest of this post.

tonight really disappointed me. Not only did he give a lackluster (and rather boring) promo, but he completely belittled the entire WWE roster in a matter of 10 minutes. Triple H legitimately belittled the roster and said 'nobody in the back' can take out Taker but him.

Care to explain what was so lackluster and boring about his promo? He laid the foundation for the rest of the feud in that short amount of time. He explained it, gave it a back story of some kind, and built on that to lead into next week. What was the problem again? If you are referring to his general demeanor, maybe that's just something that went over your head? See, he was supposed to be acting kind of somber and serious and that was supposed to be more dramatic. They're called overtones or undertones depending on your taste.

I also object to the statement that he buried the whole roster. What was he supposed to say?

"Weeell, I'm a nobody which makes this match pointless, and there's a ton of better opponents for you but I need something to do"

No. Besides, what did he lie about? He came out, explained how he and Taker have both had long illustrious careers, and how there is no other real obstacles for either of them. Again, I think the meaning of what he was saying went over your head. There is no one else on the roster that is going to make either of them bigger stars than they already are, no one is going to put them over. Beating anyone but each other wouldn't put either of them in any higher esteem. I know everyone's been clamoring for Barrett-Taker and Sheamus-HHH, but what is beating either of those guys going to do for them? Nothing, okay. This is the biggest match these two could have. Who else would be a bigger threat to the streak than Triple H? No one.


Apparently Triple H and Undertaker are the last 2 gods in a company full of peasants and slaves, or at least thats how Triple H sees it.

That's taking it quite a stretch now isn't it?


Don't believe me?

No, I don't.

Look at Sheamus's brief interruption and you'll see exactly what I'm saying. I'm completely baffled that he squashed the man who he personally favored in the company. He didn't even allow Sheamus to talk and draw heat for himself or anything, he just completely annihilated him in a selfish manner.

Well, everyone wondered how they were going to deal with that situation and now they have. Not good enough? Big surprise. So I'm guessing than he should have let Sheamus completely take everything in another direction, steal all his thunder, talk a bunch of shit to him, and then beat him down? Would that have made you happy? Would that have been the proper way to do that whole thing? Apparently NOT. Call it lazy booking or whatever, it was a smart and quick way to settle that score so that the current feud with Taker can move on. Regardless, it was already made clear that Triple H can demolish Sheamus LAST YEAR, and it was a "sneak attack" with a lead pipe that allowed Sheamus to take him out in the first place which is testimony to the previous fact. Weren't you at least happy to see someone get pedigreed through an announce table? At least that was cool right? damn.


If this is the Triple H of the future, I hope to god Vince doesn't leave the company to him and Stephanie. Aurora will probably end up World Heavyweight Champion while Murphy and Vaughn are the tag team champs (Aurora Murphy and Vaughn are his daughters by the way) for a decade. Looks like somewhere between being Senior Adviser and the crappy Chaperone he completely forgot about wrestling and all he remembers is his ego.

Oh cry me a freakin river. So basically what you're saying is that 10 or 20 years from now when Triple H is running the company, and the guy you like doesn't get the big push you want, it's still going to be Triple H burying everyone on the roster right? Got it. No point talking to you any further(where's a facepalm smiley when you need one).
 
He didn't look "off", he looked preoccupied. There is a difference. If we are to believe the rumors that HHH is done as an active wrestler after Mania, then what we saw was a guy realizing that this is one of the last times he has to savor the crowd reactions. HHH looked like a guy who knew he was retiring, and was trying to not get emotional...but not completely succeeding. He clearly had something on his mind that was affecting him, but he was doing his best not to show it.
 
I agree with Davi, He just didn't seem all there. It seemed like he was off in another world when he was looking at the crowd. I think this will be his last go around before he hangs up his boots for good. I will be sad to see Triple H leave, I grew up with the attitude era so to see everyone start leaving or retiring really sets in how badly these guys will be missed. Like it or not, once Undertaker and Triple H retire, we will only have Edge, Kane, Show, Christian, and Jericho if he decides to come back.
 
What people fail to understand, is that if Triple H just started putting young people over every other week, then it wouldn't actually count as putting them over. If he's constantly losing to new talent then it wouldn't make the people he loses to look strong at all, if Triple H is always doing it.

But, if he looks dominant like he always has done, is a Main Event World Heavyweight Champion, and then for example loses to John Cena at Wrestlemania, that has a much bigger affect in putting someone 'over'. The less that the Experienced and Old Talent lose then the more 'over' the young star is that finally beats him.

For example, even by fueding with Sheamus and leading up to a Match at Wrestlemania 26, still effectively put Sheamus over, regardless if he won or lost. Triple H made him look a legit challenger, and took him serious enough to wrestle him one on one on the biggest Stage. People are acting like Triple H squashed Sheamus last night on Raw. Don't forget Triple H allowed Sheamus to look strong for months by playing off the fact that he ended Triple H's Career, so Sheamus owed it to him if anything.

As much as I'd love to see a couple more fueds and matches left in him with the likes of CM Punk, Edge and eventually a match with Daniel Bryan, he made a point by saying him and Undertaker are the only real 'last two' left of that era. He's done it all, and staying around for even longer just to week in and week out try to put over younger talent would only be pointless and harm his legacy.

The Match at Wrestlemania doesn't need to be for his Career. He stated that even if he doesn't end the Streak then at least he'll die Trying. And it's the same with Undertaker, the last few years he's only really been around just to increase the Streak, it's all that he personally has to gain. He may feature in a Fued or two later on in the year when Smackdown is looking a bit thin for talent and needs a boost, but the Streak is his soul purpose. So the Match makes sense. It's personal, and not about Shawn, which I'm pleased with.
 
I think what I find the strangest in this thread is that quite a few posters have blamed the fans for not reacting strongly enough. Are you serious? HHH's lackluster return is the fault of the FANS? What, fans are obligated to cheer and be rowdy and react strongly to lame promos (and yes I'm talking about both HHH's and the rock's)?

It doesn't matter where you go...fans will react if there is something worth reacting to. To actually blame this on the fans for not cheering enough is completely ridiculous.
 
I agree with several of you folks in the fact that I think HHH was expecting a bigger reaction than what he got. I for one, was not impressed (and am not impressed with the feud at all for that matter) and everything seems to have been thrown together at the last minute for the sake of trying to make a storyline. The entire programming was rubbish last nite imo. I know it's hard to live up to the RAW when the Rock first returned, but things are just gradually getting worse. I really can't believe they threw Sheamus out there just for the helluvit to "end that feud" or whatever. Then he gets beat by Evan Bourne? Give me a break. I'm not looking forward to this Wrestlemania at all.
 
His promo was okay wasn't anything special. I think he was expecting a bigger reaction from the fans and that kind of threw him off when he didn't get it. It took him a while before he started to speak, he paused a lot during his promo. You could tell he was looking for cheers but he didn't get it and it just made it seem awkward.
 
I know I posted already not too long ago, but just to add to the discussion....I think a big reason why he didn't get a big reaction is that HHH has been gone for a while now. During his absence, I think it became clear that honestly, he isn't needed. WWE went along fine without him and to be honest, I don't think at this point there's anything new he can bring to the scene that we haven't seen from him many many times over.


Secondly, he's back to feud with the undertaker, and (based on what seems to be the majority of posts) that's not a feud that a lot of people really care about. It will never live up to either of the HBK vs. Undertaker wrestlemanias. Also, if you've seen undertaker wrestle in the last year it seems like he's running on fumes and doesn't have much left in the tank anymore. Personally, I don't really care much about the undertaker/HHH wrestlemania match.

Finally, it's been rumored that HHH is going to be working more on the executive side of things. If that's true, then his comeback is only temporary so it's hard to get too excited about that too.

So I think, all things considered, that there are a number of reasons why HHH's return isn't the big ballyhoo he and WWE were hoping it would be. In the end, I'm not saying that he isn't wanted or there isn't a place for him, I just don't think that he's as necessary to the WWE programming as he used to be.
 
I agree with the people that point to the fans. So as to not annoy martymcfly, let me be more specfic. I don't think it is the fans obligation to cheer no matter what, and by all means, they should cheer for what they want. That being said, I agree with the others that pointed out it looked like he was expecting a bigger reaction and it threw him off. Maybe, after being out for so long, he just got flustered, since normally, when he has returned after an extended period of time, the pop he gets is huge.

Makes perfect sense that he got out there, started to do his promo, and got distracted by "Where the hell is the normal reaction?"
 
Last minute, you say? I agree completely. It's almost as if the WWE been planning/hoping for somehting else in its 2-21-11 promos. Almost as if, I don't know, some other guy was going to show up that night but it fell through. But no, that's crazy! It was Undertaker all along! It had to be!

:lmao:

Amazing how easily we ignore the evidence when it goes against our desires, huh?

But ANYWAY, as to the issue of Triple H's alleged "staleness" tonight... what'd you expect? It's not like he's had seven years for all his old catchphrases to become interesting to hear again (no offense Rock, you're great). He certainly wasn't going to debut some new gimmick.

You want stale, how about the guy he's facing? At least Triple H spends more time talking than he does walking to the ring.



Sting wasn't comming to the WWE... Sting was never coming to the WWE.. Sting never talked to the WWE (As per. both Sting and the WWE have said).

What was probably orginally planned was a Wade Barrett vs Undertaker match, but Barrett hasn't quite fully developed in the ring well enough to cary a STILL INJURED mark calloway through a "five star" wrestlemania match.

That's most likely what happened, they wanted Barrett, but probably don't trust his in-ring skills enough to wrestle a still very injured undertaker.. In fact the only people on the Rooster they would "trust" to wrestle a still injured undertaker at wrestlemania are Orton/Cena/Jericho/HHH/Big Show.

Out of those guys HHH is the easiest to set a feud up with via HBK's retirment, ect. ect.

Just my take on the whole HHH vs Undertaker thing though, and what I personally feel is the most logical conclusion based on the information given to us.. Of course nobody on the internet know's the whole story, unless you work for the WWE and are great friends with Taker/Sting/ Talent Signing department

Yes HHH looked rusty, it looked like he didn't want to be out there at all. Frankly I assume he's been ready to come back for some time, but he probably really wants to spend time at home with his kids (who are all very young) and dosen't want to wrestle full time anymore.. It really looks like he is done with the wrestling end of the buisness.. It looks like he just didn't want to be there to be frank.
 
Sting wasn't comming to the WWE... Sting was never coming to the WWE.. Sting never talked to the WWE (As per. both Sting and the WWE have said).

What was probably orginally planned was a Wade Barrett vs Undertaker match, but Barrett hasn't quite fully developed in the ring well enough to cary a STILL INJURED mark calloway through a "five star" wrestlemania match.

That's most likely what happened, they wanted Barrett, but probably don't trust his in-ring skills enough to wrestle a still very injured undertaker.. In fact the only people on the Rooster they would "trust" to wrestle a still injured undertaker at wrestlemania are Orton/Cena/Jericho/HHH/Big Show.

Out of those guys HHH is the easiest to set a feud up with via HBK's retirment, ect. ect.


Just my take on the whole HHH vs Undertaker thing though, and what I personally feel is the most logical conclusion based on the information given to us.. Of course nobody on the internet know's the whole story, unless you work for the WWE and are great friends with Taker/Sting/ Talent Signing department

Yes HHH looked rusty, it looked like he didn't want to be out there at all. Frankly I assume he's been ready to come back for some time, but he probably really wants to spend time at home with his kids (who are all very young) and dosen't want to wrestle full time anymore.. It really looks like he is done with the wrestling end of the buisness.. It looks like he just didn't want to be there to be frank.

No reports from PWInsider said that Triple H felt that there was no "real" big time match for Mania this year and every mania needs one. He believes that HHH vs Taker is the money match...

This match has been thrown together at the last minute as Taker has gone on record saying he wants to work with Barrett and there had already been work done in that space when the Nexus led by Barrett at the time buried him. "There aint no grave that can keep my body down..." well Barrett put him in that grave and yet the HHH has decided that he wants the spot with Taker pushing aside the very charismatci Barrett who could be made by a match with the Undertaker in the very few matches he has left in his body.

Triple H then on Monday to work out the Sheamus situation which was probably set up with the King of the Ring win, so King vs. King.. much like the Taker/Barrett situation... well organise feuds has been thrown away...

I have noticed that whenever Sheamus had been on tv the last few months that the commentary team have stopped mentioning he put HHH on the shelf, even though everyone knew he was returning...

Triple H seems to have distanced himself from Sheamus with the rumours we have heard of WWE management not being high on him nay more.

He rediculously squashes Sheamus, to quickly get rid of that storyline hanging over his head and moves on to Taker, which of course we all feared as, if HHH could not beat Sheamus he would not be a threat to the Undertaker, the man who defeated HBK twice at Mania.

Also the feud is based on Triple H's ego, not HBK's retirment. Which was a surprise to me. But then again not really a surprise as this man has buried the entire roster for the last decade except for Cena.

He wants to end the streak not because of his friend but because he wants that accolade. Which makes me hate him even more, and to be honest Triple H would have complete creative control over his character in this feud and it has been reported that he and Taker are booking all of this feud...

So... if this is HHH's last match then just like HBK he is a selfish bastard who refuses to let a young guy take the credit and put over for his retirment. He should have stayed gone and let Sheamus have it.. but no wants Undertaker to be the one to do it, because his ego is so big no one else in the company is good enough to do it but Taker.

Also Triple H is taking away a chance for a younger guy as I have already stated to step to the next level with Takjer such as Barrett.

And three... well three is Barrett, Sheamus, Punk, and even Kane have been working their asses off all year long, while Triple H has been sitting at home and now expects to just walk in and take one of if not the biggest spot on the Mania card...

Well awesome good for you Triple H thanks for coming back. :banghead:
 
He didn't look "off", he looked preoccupied. There is a difference. If we are to believe the rumors that HHH is done as an active wrestler after Mania, then what we saw was a guy realizing that this is one of the last times he has to savor the crowd reactions. HHH looked like a guy who knew he was retiring, and was trying to not get emotional...but not completely succeeding. He clearly had something on his mind that was affecting him, but he was doing his best not to show it.

This.

The Triple H I saw Monday night was giving a "I've come back from probably my last injury and the next time I go out, I'm likely done" speech. Look at the close ups, the eyes were a little watery and there was a lump in his throat. He knows his career IS winding down, one way or another.

Whether or not he will still put his career on the line, we've got 5 weeks to find out. But honestly, there is no need for that extreme reaction as the WWE has already confirmed Undertaker vs. Triple H at WrestleMania, so why add that stipulation NOW? That was a stipulation for HBK to get a rematch. There's really no point to it, unless Undertaker wants to be the man to have retired DX on his own.

Triple H said he would do everything he could to beat Undertaker, or die trying. Sounds like we're in for a brutal battle that will see Undertaker out of action for the rest of 2011 until he returns around Survivor Series or Royal Rumble as he gears up for his 20-0 farewell at WrestleMania.

Triple H may be so "beaten" by the end, that he'll come out on Raw and announce his retirement... which of course allows a Seamus or someone else to run out, beat him down, and keep him around for another year.

We'll see.

That's what's making WWE fun again. Sure there are some things that are predictable, but they've been taking some interesting twists and turns to get us there.
 

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