Top 10 Most Powerful Superheroes List

[Furyof5]

Hell everyone, Ive decided to make a thread which hasnt been done on here in the past to my knowledge. Now this thread is not opinion, this thread is meant to see whom should be on the Top Ten Most Powerful Superheroes list.

When I say its not opinion I am saying it must be based on cannon feats of the hero in question, not opinion of what they could do (without any feats backing it up) or liking of one over another.

For example, if you say for instance "I think Hulk should be number 5" I want you to make an argument based upon his feats for that spot AND compare and contrast them to everyone else below the spot. If their feats/powers are not greater than that of the one who's spot they are attempting to take they will not go in.

Now a heroes powers also do figure into this, and the depth of those powers shown via feats or cannon panels/characters stating the depths of their power (and try to use credible characters not like a little girl stating "his power must be infinite"). Quantity helps a lot when it comes to powers, however they must also have quality, and those powers must still be canon/be usable for the character.

I will start with an original list, your job must be to make it so you can prove a case for a character to be placed onto the list, or to move up or down a character, or to remove them in place of another, or defend their placement.

Now as for restrictions on this list: We are only using Classic/Modern (Modern for DC as they has Crisis on Infinite Earths, though some feats prior and the event itself are actually still cannon or have been made cannon again, so youll have to make sure to do your research) or basic form heroes. So this means No Pre-Crisis Superman, no Rune King Thor, no Keeper of The Rock Captain Marvel, No War Hulk with celestial technology, No Monarch for Captain Atom, not Fernus for Martian Manhunter, etc. Also Ultimate version of Marvel heroes do not count as theyre not cannon. Also I am not going to allow exorbitantly powerful beings or celestials, so this means no Odin, Spectre, Dark Pheonix, Highfather etc. No Super Villains obviously as this list is for Superheroes. This way it makes the list fair, as we dont want any omnipotent beings that just beat everyone on the list.

So for now the original list shall be the following, I will include a brief summery of each heroes powers:

1: Superman

Powers: Super strength according to his will which is infinite, super speed, invulnerability, heat vision, freeze breath, x ray vision, torquasm vo and rao, energy absorption, electro magnetic forcefield.

2: Captain Marvel

Powers: Seemingly infinite super strength, invulnerability, super speed, magic powers, healing, can share powers.

3: Thor

Powers: Super strength, invulnerability, magic powers, flight, energy absorption, warrior madness, belt which doubles strength.

4: Silver Surfer

Powers: Power cosmic, energy manipulation, energy draining, teleportation, flight, healing, amping.

5: Spawn

Powers: Super strength, magic healing factor, immortality, necro powers, elemental manipulation, and flight.

6: Captain Atom

Powers: Matter manipulation, energy manipulation, super strength, flight, time travel, can absorb theoretically infinite energy proportional to his will, energy blasts or explosions, ability to survive in space, quantum field manipulation.

7: Flash

Powers: Super speed, phasing, can control others speed, time travel, flight, and speedforce manipulation.

8: Green Lantern: Kyle Rayner

Powers: Energy Manipulation, flight, energy shield, energy constructs, matter manipulation.

9: Martian Manhunter

Powers: Total control over atomic structure allowing intangibility, mass increase, and shape shifting. Martian Vision, Flight, Healing factor, super strength, and telepathy.

10: Hulk

Powers: Strength, endurance, and speed directly proportional to his stress level, which is without limit. Healing factor, Ability to breath under water, adaptability.

Now I wont be posting feats, as that will be up to you to make your arguments for whom should stay, go etc.

Now when you make your arguments remember, this is a non spam section, so make sure to give details and a good argument for why exactly your hero should stay on here, be moved, or be placed onto here. I would also like to see scans of feats, as I wont be simply taking word of mouth over everything else. If you think it may be too much to post them all as Images simply supply the working links.

Now I know stuff like this tends to get heated, but remember, its just comics and its all in good fun. Now you may begin your arguments.

 

[Davi323]

I think you picked the wrong Green Lantern. I think Hal Jordan would have been a better choice, as he has a stronger strength of will than Rayner...(Unless you consider Hal a villian because of the whole Parallax thing...if that is why Kyle got the nod over Jordan, I can see why, even if I disagree with it). I was also surprised at the omission of Wonder Woman. Physically, she has been shown to be almost (but not quite) the equivalent of Superman. She is TOUGH. I would question Spawn, but I don't know enough of his power set to say he doesn't belong. Other than that, I more or less agree with your list.

 

[LigerBomb]

I think you picked the wrong Green Lantern. I think Hal Jordan would have been a better choice, as he has a stronger strength of will than Rayner...(Unless you consider Hal a villian because of the whole Parallax thing...if that is why Kyle got the nod over Jordan, I can see why, even if I disagree with it). I was also surprised at the omission of Wonder Woman. Physically, she has been shown to be almost (but not quite) the equivalent of Superman. She is TOUGH. I would question Spawn, but I don't know enough of his power set to say he doesn't belong. Other than that, I more or less agree with your list.

Rayner's original ring didn't have the many weaknesses Hal's did. Also later on, as the character Ion, Rayner was one of the most powerful beings alive (and certainly the strongest Lantern). He was practically a God, able to bend time and space, be connected to all living things at all times and be in multiple places at once. Also he crafted his next ring—post Ion—with special abilities beyond the standard GL ring. Right now as "The Torchbearer" Kyle is the second highest single person in the chain of command of the entire GL Corps.

 

[Furyof5]

Also dont forget that Kyle Rayner was said to have surpassed Hal Jordan by Morpheus The King of Dreams in the JLA series under Grant Morrison. Plus his feats do surpass those of Hal Jordan, and his Imagination is beyond that of the level of Hal Jordan as stated in cannon.

So I picked the correct Lantern. Perhaps you can make an argument for Sodam Yat, but I think Kyle would still be above him, not to mention Yat is dead/inside of a sun.

 

[Furyof5]

I was also surprised at the omission of Wonder Woman. Physically, she has been shown to be almost (but not quite) the equivalent of Superman. She is TOUGH.

Ive gone VERY in depth about Wonder Woman on other forums and compared and contrasted her feats and powers to those of Hulk's, he is above her in terms of overall power. Also shes nowhere near as close as Superman in terms of strength. In JLA she was using all of her strength just to hold down one of his arms and the other arm was being held down by Martian Manhunter, she then said he would be able to break free from them and something along the lines of "Hes more powerful than all of us combined". Also his feats are way beyond hers in terms of strength.

I would question Spawn, but I don't know enough of his power set to say he doesn't belong. Other than that, I more or less agree with your list.

You obviously dont know too much about him, at his peak he beat BOTH God and Satan at the same time. Im going at base form here, and comparing and using all of his powers and feats his spot is justifiable.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

So I picked the correct Lantern. Perhaps you can make an argument for Sodam Yat, but I think Kyle would still be above him, not to mention Yat is dead/inside of a sun.

Not anymore he isn't. He isn't Ion anymore either, due to what's happeneing in 'Brightest Day'.

And Rayner got possessed by Parallax as well.

As for picking the 'right' Lantern, I'm just glad you didn't pick John Stewart.

Also I think Martian Manhunter needs to go up a little higher because his strength is actually equal to Supes, according to DC continuity.

 

[Furyof5]

Also I think Martian Manhunter needs to go up a little higher because his strength is actually equal to Supes, according to DC continuity.

Ive already been over this with someone else when they said the same for Wonder Woman. His strength is no where near that of Superman's. He was using all of his strength simply to hold down one of Superman's arms and it was said Superman is more powerful than all of them combined. Also Superman's feats of strength are WAY beyond those of Martian Manhunter's. So even though they keep saying it its simply not accurate. They might mean Superman when hes not even trying, but other than that, not in the very least.

 

[Twiztid Rodimus]

Well, I guess I gotta school some folks. Since comic books are rarely spoke off on this site, and when it is, Its with very basic knowledge. No offence meant, But I take comics more serious than Wrestling.
Will break down the WRONGS of this list:

Spawn is NOT immortal, he has died, Al simmons is currently dead. Rendering this ''fact'' of your incorrect. And I would take Spawn OFF the list since your rules stated Modern, And modern Spawn is NOT al simmons, and has no where near the capabilities of Al at the end of his life.

Originally Posted by The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh
Also I think Martian Manhunter needs to go up a little higher because his strength is actually equal to Supes, according to DC continuity.

Ive already been over this with someone else when they said the same for Wonder Woman. His strength is no where near that of Superman's. He was using all of his strength simply to hold down one of Superman's arms and it was said Superman is more powerful than all of them combined. Also Superman's feats of strength are WAY beyond those of Martian Manhunter's. So even though they keep saying it its simply not accurate. They might mean Superman when hes not even trying, but other than that, not in the very least.


You are WRONG in this fact, It IS in continuity that J'onn is as powerful as Supes, period, Read Blackest Night, Its confirmed quite clearly and stated.

World War hulk did NOT use alien tech to boost his strength at that point, He only used they're gladiator armor/Weapons, which were tools, NOT his strength. He himself took out the entire X-men roster with his hands. NOT weapons

Thor is NOT invulnerable. Look to his fights with Bor and the Destroyer armor in JMS run to prove this.

My choices:
1) Silver Surfer The use of the Power cosmic, makes him one of the most powerful of this list. Beyond Superhuman strength, stamina, durability, senses and the ability to absorb and manipulate the universe's ambient energy for a variety of effects.He can analyze and manipulate matter and energy, and molecularly restructure or animate matter at will, even transmuting elements or creating objects. He can also project energy in various forms for offensive and defensive use, including the erection of force shields, and bolts of cosmic force powerful enough to destroy entire planets

2) Sentry: How is he NOT mentioned. He beats out Thor in Power (Proven), At least matches World War Hulk (Whom is said and proven to be the strongest of the Hulk incarnations) And last but not least, in the Dark Avengers, Its shown he has the powers of Molecule man, but heightened, Something Thor, Hulk, Supes, Captain Marvel cant even do.

3)Thor:You portrayed him accurately.

4)Superman Accurately represented as well. would add that he can breathe in space.

5) Captain Marvel: Accurate and belongs on the list


6) Green Lantern (Kyle): It was stated he is more powerful than Hal, due to the limitless imagination of an artist.

7) Firestorm and Captain Atom:People neglect to mention how powerful Firestorm is. He and Captain Atom are close to equal in power effectiveness and strength. So I tied them to one number

8) Martian Manhunter: You used him accurately. He clearly stated in Blackest night that he's as strong as Superman, and proved it.

9) Namor: Its amazing how many people never mention Namor in these types of lists.

10) Hulk: He deserved to be alot higher in his World War hulk stage, but after the story he was massively depowered due to his anger level not being at its peak, and he was dumbed down to his mid 1990's power level. Which made him easy pickings for Rulk (Thunderbolt ross)

 

[Furyof5]

Well, I guess I gotta school some folks. Since comic books are rarely spoke off on this site, and when it is, Its with very basic knowledge. No offence meant, But I take comics more serious than Wrestling.

I take them seriously too.

Will break down the WRONGS of this list:

Id like to see you try.

Spawn is NOT immortal, he has died, Al simmons is currently dead. Rendering this ''fact'' of your incorrect. And I would take Spawn OFF the list since your rules stated Modern, And modern Spawn is NOT al simmons, and has no where near the capabilities of Al at the end of his life.

You obviously missed the part where I defined modern, modern was meant for DC only due to the fact that they had Crisis On Infinite Earths. Also I am using the Al Simmons version of Spawn. Now Im going on overall, not peaks, but if I were going on peaks he would either be number 1 or two, seeing as he was OMNIPOTENT in the comics at one point. Yes his powers went down hill, but this isnt the point.

World War hulk did NOT use alien tech to boost his strength at that point, He only used they're gladiator armor/Weapons, which were tools, NOT his strength. He himself took out the entire X-men roster with his hands. NOT weapons

What the hell are you talking about? I didnt say WORLD WAR HULK, I said WAR HULK, which was when he was the horsemen of Apocalypse and was enhanced with warrior technology. That wasnt a normal Hulk and thus isnt counted, just like Rune King Thor.

Thor is NOT invulnerable. Look to his fights with Bor and the Destroyer armor in JMS run to prove this.

One of his official powers is invulnerability, you are wrong. And in comics invulnerability is more or less virtual as they can still be hurt and beaten.

My choices:

I said use scans when you want to prove a point, I dont care about your list unless you give definitive proof for each character, which you obviously cant by looking at the list, but Ill rip it apart piece by piece.

1) Silver Surfer The use of the Power cosmic, makes him one of the most powerful of this list. Beyond Superhuman strength, stamina, durability, senses and the ability to absorb and manipulate the universe's ambient energy for a variety of effects.He can analyze and manipulate matter and energy, and molecularly restructure or animate matter at will, even transmuting elements or creating objects. He can also project energy in various forms for offensive and defensive use, including the erection of force shields, and bolts of cosmic force powerful enough to destroy entire planets

Silver Surfer is IN CANNON not as powerful as Thor and thus can never be placed over him. Thor beats him EVERY SINGLE TIME they face and even after he has been amped to "the most powerful he has ever been" by Loki. He has also admitted he is not as powerful as Thor. On top of that he is beaten all the time by Thor just by physical force, which makes his endurance not very great. Superman deserves this spot for reasons I will show when I get to him.

2) Sentry: How is he NOT mentioned. He beats out Thor in Power (Proven), At least matches World War Hulk (Whom is said and proven to be the strongest of the Hulk incarnations) And last but not least, in the Dark Avengers, Its shown he has the powers of Molecule man, but heightened, Something Thor, Hulk, Supes, Captain Marvel cant even do.

Sentry/Void is actually a villain, he does not belong on here. Also if he were on here he SURE AS HELL would not be anywhere near the spot you placed him in, as his feats are nowhere near those of Superman's, Thor's, or even Silver Surfer. Also Thor killed Sentry/Void, when he was hurt and weakened, and after he just said whatever and decided to stop holding back. Hes been burnt up in the sun and good riddance, he was a horrible character.

3)Thor:You portrayed him accurately.

You just contradicted yourself, but I digress. This is the spot for him, but hes obviously more powerful than the two you placed above him.

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4)Superman Accurately represented as well. would add that he can breathe in space.
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I said I was giving a BRIEF SUMMERY, now you obviously dont know very much about Superman as you put him as number 4. He should be at 1 and Ill prove it now.

Superman lifts a book that contains THE MULTIVERSE with Captain Marvel:

This is a bigger feat than anything even Pre Crisis Superman did, and while hes with Captain Marvel it is later shown in the issue he didnt need him to do it, besides its infinite weight, thus it cant be split and they are both lifting infinite weight.

Superman flies through Roa Kryptons Red Sun(a weakness) while surrounded by Kryptonite(another weakness) and THEN gets blasted by heat vision from Superboy Prime and survives reentry and crashing to Mogo.

New Gods #10 (second series): Superman used his heat vision to cauterize tears in the fabric of reality as caused by S'ivaa.

Superman's shockwaves shatter reality with his punches when he doesnt hold back, and hes not even aiming at reality when he does it.

Superman uses his Torquasm Vo ability to dissolve an endless supply of magic energy, he can actually use this an a means to not be effected by reality warpers. Yes you read that right.

Reality warpers cant even beat him

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/VS REALITY WARPERS/vo31hz.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/VS REALITY WARPERS/vo23kw.jpg

Superman is so fast he can phase

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/speed/supermanfast3ar.jpg

Patching a hole in time/reality with his electromagnetic powers

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/CRAZY FEATS/realityfixng9.jpg

Superman should most certainly be number 1.

5) Captain Marvel: Accurate and belongs on the list

Until recently I would have put Thor above him, however Marvel is just as strong as Superman (He lifted the multiverse) and this feat is way above anything Thor has performed in strength. So I would now place him as number 2, as while hes not as powerful as Superman hes the closest thing to it.

6) Green Lantern (Kyle): It was stated he is more powerful than Hal, due to the limitless imagination of an artist.

Yes, but he should be number 6, Captain Atom is more powerful than he is.

7) Firestorm and Captain Atom:People neglect to mention how powerful Firestorm is. He and Captain Atom are close to equal in power effectiveness and strength. So I tied them to one number

Firestorm is not as powerful as Captain Atom. Are you aware Captain Atom created a UNIVERSE inside of his Quantum Field?

8) Martian Manhunter: You used him accurately. He clearly stated in Blackest night that he's as strong as Superman, and proved it.

He lifted up a FUCKING BUILDING! Superman lifted THE MULTIVERSE. If your idea of proving hes as strong as Superman is a feat that pathetic then you fail.

9) Namor: Its amazing how many people never mention Namor in these types of lists.

Thats because he is not powerful enough to get on here. Hes not as powerful as anyone on my list and his feats are nowhere near good enough to get on here. And you thought Spawn didnt belong? lol

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10) Hulk: He deserved to be alot higher in his World War hulk stage,
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No, he didnt. This is about overall power, and Martian Manhunter is more POWERFUL than his is.

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but after the story he was massively depowered due to his anger level not being at its peak, and he was dumbed down to his mid 1990's power level. Which made him easy pickings for Rulk (Thunderbolt ross)[/QUOTE]

So what you wanted him to blow up the planet? He isnt as pissed off as he was at that point, and he just came back, he may very well become just as powerful as he was at the end of that series again, I mean hes been infused with cosmic rays now I think.

But Ive dispelled your arguments either way. And if someone wants to actually give a compelling argument, like I said in my opening post; POST SCANS.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

Ive already been over this with someone else when they said the same for Wonder Woman. His strength is no where near that of Superman's. He was using all of his strength simply to hold down one of Superman's arms and it was said Superman is more powerful than all of them combined. Also Superman's feats of strength are WAY beyond those of Martian Manhunter's. So even though they keep saying it its simply not accurate. They might mean Superman when hes not even trying, but other than that, not in the very least.

Unfortunately, this is what happens when you debate a continuity that's written by countless different writers at any given time, and undergoes several reboots within the continuity i.e. Crisis on Infinite Earths, Zero Hour etc. And then even when there hasn't been a companywide recon, writers don't bother to go back and read everything that has happened with the character they're writing for, before they start writing. This can also be said for the artists.

The first example that comes to my mind, is The Joker. In Batman RIP, he's got a bullet wound in the centre of his forehead and slices his mouth open even wider, and even slices his tongue into a fork.

Next time he appears in Batman and Robin, there's no bullet hole, no sliced cheeks, and no forked tongue. Now this is literally Joker's next appearance in the DCU after RIP, yet the artist didn't include the facial changes made in the previous arc (which i'm surprised Grant Morrison actually allowed to happen since he's poured so much effort into the latest Batman arcs).

Or during Final Crisis, you see members of The Rogues amongst Libra's Secret Society of Super Villains, despite the fact that there's a tie in book called 'Rogues Revenge' where they all stick together and adamantly decline to join the SSOSV.

Basically, my point is, there's no point in arguing that in one story one character says something that undermines something that same character says in another story, because they probably weren't written by the same person, and whoever wrote the later story, probably didn't even read the previous one.

It's all down to the current writer's interpretations and perspectives etc, so no one's truly wrong or right when it comes to this.

If all of DC were written by one person like Sandman and the other 'Endless' series are written by Neil Gaiman and The Walking Dead only being written by Robert Kirman, then yeah we could argue, but unfortunately that's not the case with something as vast as the DC/Marvel universes.

I mean next month Ambush Bug could conquer the Multiverse!

Anyway, I've been watching a LOT of Justice League lately, and that's more or less what i'm basing my opinion on. In JL, Supes and J'onn are shown as being equal in strength overall, with Wonder Woman not being as strong as either of them. So that, plus the dialogue featured in Blackest Night, is why i suggested J'onn should be higher. Not equal to Supes overall, but his physical strength has been shown multiple times to be equal to Superman's.

On the flipside to that however, in 'Destroyer', the final episode of JLU, Supes tells Darkseid that he's forever holding his powers back to ensure he doesn't destroy everything everytime he uses his powers. Plus there's the idea that the Sun is causing Supes' power limits to continually increase as he remains exposed to yellow sunlight.

It's your list dude, but honestly, i think the Martian Manhunter should at least go up one notch.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Pretty interesting list. I don't completely agree with it but there are some key players up there. If it were just about pure raw physical abilities, then The Hulk should definitely be much higher. However, there are a lot of characters with a variety of energy and/or matter manipulative powers on the list that also have superhuman physical powers. The Hulk has always been a physical guy primarily with strength, stamina, durability and healing. He can't fly, can't shoot beams out of his eyes or hands, can't control the weather or time travel or any of that. For him to be #10 on a list of this sort speaks well for him overall.

I can't say that I buy into The Flash. When I think of a powerful hero, The Flash doesn't spring to mind. Given his speed, his agility, reflexes and stamina are also probably at some superhuman level, especially his reflexes. His body is also tougher than normal, otherwise he wouldn't be able to withstand the stress and friction running at such high speeds would put on the body. I'm no expert on the guy but, for all practical purposes, can't he still be taken out in the same way as a regular person? I mean, couldn't bullets or knives or a smack upside the head with a pipe wrench kill him? Not saying it'd be easy to hit him but still. I just can't picture him on this sort of list.

I'm a little surprised that a guy like Doctor Strange isn't listed, what with him being the Sorcerer Supreme of the MU and all that. A guy that can manipulate that much magical energy to be considered the overall best at what he does would generally have to be some serious competition for the top spot. I also think an argument could possibly, not certainly but possibly, be made for Iron Man. Tony Stark's got the smarts and, thanks to comic book logic, can add pretty much anything to his armor whenever he needs to that can potentially put him in league with anyone on the list. I'm not a fan of the character, but he's like Batman if Batman were a lush that relied on technology more than skill.

I think the top 4 in general seem to be pretty spot on, though I might put Thor at 2, Surfer at 3 and Captain Marvel at 4.

 

[Furyof5]

Unfortunately, this is what happens when you debate a continuity that's written by countless different writers at any given time, and undergoes several reboots within the continuity i.e. Crisis on Infinite Earths, Zero Hour etc. And then even when there hasn't been a companywide recon, writers don't bother to go back and read everything that has happened with the character they're writing for, before they start writing. This can also be said for the artists.

Yea it gets to be annoying, this is why this only deals with cannon feats and statements.

The first example that comes to my mind, is The Joker. In Batman RIP, he's got a bullet wound in the centre of his forehead and slices his mouth open even wider, and even slices his tongue into a fork.

I liked R.I.P. I thought the story was pretty good.

Next time he appears in Batman and Robin, there's no bullet hole, no sliced cheeks, and no forked tongue. Now this is literally Joker's next appearance in the DCU after RIP, yet the artist didn't include the facial changes made in the previous arc (which i'm surprised Grant Morrison actually allowed to happen since he's poured so much effort into the latest Batman arcs).

Or during Final Crisis, you see members of The Rogues amongst Libra's Secret Society of Super Villains, despite the fact that there's a tie in book called 'Rogues Revenge' where they all stick together and adamantly decline to join the SSOSV.

Basically, my point is, there's no point in arguing that in one story one character says something that undermines something that same character says in another story, because they probably weren't written by the same person, and whoever wrote the later story, probably didn't even read the previous one.

It's all down to the current writer's interpretations and perspectives etc, so no one's truly wrong or right when it comes to this.

Thats not how it works, if something is cannon its cannon and useable, if its been retconned its been retconned. But in either case this is why we go by FEATS.

If all of DC were written by one person like Sandman and the other 'Endless' series are written by Neil Gaiman and The Walking Dead only being written by Robert Kirman, then yeah we could argue, but unfortunately that's not the case with something as vast as the DC/Marvel universes.

I mean next month Ambush Bug could conquer the Multiverse!

I know comics are crazy and stupid/insane things can happen, but this is why to establish something we also use feats, as Ive shown. If someone isnt anywhere near close to another in feats then we can say that featwise they are not on the level of that power/skill.

Anyway, I've been watching a LOT of Justice League lately, and that's more or less what i'm basing my opinion on. In JL, Supes and J'onn are shown as being equal in strength overall, with Wonder Woman not being as strong as either of them.

Justice League is not cannon. Only Comics are cannon.

So that, plus the dialogue featured in Blackest Night, is why i suggested J'onn should be higher. Not equal to Supes overall, but his physical strength has been shown multiple times to be equal to Superman's.

Its not though, Ive already shown Superman lifting a book which contained the Multiverse, J'onn's feats are nowhere near that, and that is why feats are the final say in the matters of placement and why Ive specifically asked people to use them.

On the flipside to that however, in 'Destroyer', the final episode of JLU, Supes tells Darkseid that he's forever holding his powers back to ensure he doesn't destroy everything everytime he uses his powers. Plus there's the idea that the Sun is causing Supes' power limits to continually increase as he remains exposed to yellow sunlight.

Non cannon, but in comics the Sun and even starlight is ALWAYS increasing his power because he is always absorbing it. Superman has absorbed enough energy in the past to destroy half a galaxy and it was made to seem he could absorb a lot more.

It's your list dude, but honestly, i think the Martian Manhunter should at least go up one notch.

If you think so prove to me in SCANS like Ive stated in my opening post.

 

[Furyof5]

Pretty interesting list. I don't completely agree with it but there are some key players up there. If it were just about pure raw physical abilities, then The Hulk should definitely be much higher. However, there are a lot of characters with a variety of energy and/or matter manipulative powers on the list that also have superhuman physical powers. The Hulk has always been a physical guy primarily with strength, stamina, durability and healing. He can't fly, can't shoot beams out of his eyes or hands, can't control the weather or time travel or any of that. For him to be #10 on a list of this sort speaks well for him overall.

Yes, and its a good thing Im not using clones either, because he wouldnt even be on this list. Now I used to think Hulk was #1 or at least in the top 5, then I read comics more and more and researched more and more and find #10 is perfect for him.

I can't say that I buy into The Flash. When I think of a powerful hero, The Flash doesn't spring to mind.

Its probably because you havent read much with him in it, Ill explain for you to see how incredibly powerful he is.

Given his speed, his agility, reflexes and stamina are also probably at some superhuman level, especially his reflexes.

Flash is way above superhuman level.

His body is also tougher than normal, otherwise he wouldn't be able to withstand the stress and friction running at such high speeds would put on the body.

Flash is connected to the Speed Force which is the force from where all speedsters powers originate. He can move so fast he can fly, run in space, travel in time, phase through anything, and when hes trying as hard as he can NOTHING can catch him. Superman has flown from one end of the universe to the other in panels, Flash could do it in half the time, not at full speed.

I'm no expert on the guy but, for all practical purposes, can't he still be taken out in the same way as a regular person? I mean, couldn't bullets or knives or a smack upside the head with a pipe wrench kill him? Not saying it'd be easy to hit him but still. I just can't picture him on this sort of list.

No it cant, his powers are passive. Someone tried to shoot him in the movies theaters once, the second the bullet touched his neck time more or less froze, he stood up, picked up the bullet and threw it aside, found the criminal and beat him. Also in a fight, if he uses his powers to full potential no one on this list can beat him. He has the fastest combat speed of anyone, also due to his speed he can hit faster than anyone on this list.

Flash posesses an ability(Superman does too) called the "Infinite Mass Punch" which is when he increases his speed to just under light speed and hits something with infinite mass due to the fact that when you travel towards lightspeed your mass increases infinitely(Theory of relativity) and he could kill or badly wound anyone with this move, in one shot. Also Flashes connection to the speed force makes him very durable. Hes taken shots from Superman(a being that can shatter reality with punches) and blasts from high powered beings and just keeps going.

Flash most certainly deserves to be on this list and at that spot.

I'm a little surprised that a guy like Doctor Strange isn't listed, what with him being the Sorcerer Supreme of the MU and all that. A guy that can manipulate that much magical energy to be considered the overall best at what he does would generally have to be some serious competition for the top spot.

I know all about him, however hes been downgraded a lot in recent times. Also if we were to use his classic full power form he would be one of those exorbitantly powerful characters and thus too powerful for this list(though I think an argument could possibly still be made for Superman over him)

I also think an argument could possibly, not certainly but possibly, be made for Iron Man. Tony Stark's got the smarts and, thanks to comic book logic, can add pretty much anything to his armor whenever he needs to that can potentially put him in league with anyone on the list.

He has no superpowers and thus cant be on here, Also the last part isnt accurate, Superman could easily obliterate him, as could Thor, and Hulk has already shown to be able to.

I'm not a fan of the character, but he's like Batman if Batman were a lush that relied on technology more than skill.

Its most powerful, he has no powers.

I think the top 4 in general seem to be pretty spot on, though I might put Thor at 2, Surfer at 3 and Captain Marvel at 4.

Thor is usually at 2, but recent feats by Marvel such as him lifting the Multiverse have put him at 2 over Thor. Hes pretty much even to Thor otherwise. Im not trying to play down SS and his powers, but Marvel is pretty much Superman/Thor levels at everything and surpasses Thor in some areas.

But as Ive said, if you feel you can prove me wrong, go ahead and show some scans and we will compare and contrast and see if you are accurate.

 

[Twiztid Rodimus]

I take them seriously too.



Id like to see you try.



You obviously missed the part where I defined modern, modern was meant for DC only due to the fact that they had Crisis On Infinite Earths. Also I am using the Al Simmons version of Spawn. Now Im going on overall, not peaks, but if I were going on peaks he would either be number 1 or two, seeing as he was OMNIPOTENT in the comics at one point. Yes his powers went down hill, but this isnt the point.



What the hell are you talking about? I didnt say WORLD WAR HULK, I said WAR HULK, which was when he was the horsemen of Apocalypse and was enhanced with warrior technology. That wasnt a normal Hulk and thus isnt counted, just like Rune King Thor.



One of his official powers is invulnerability, you are wrong. And in comics invulnerability is more or less virtual as they can still be hurt and beaten.



I said use scans when you want to prove a point, I dont care about your list unless you give definitive proof for each character, which you obviously cant by looking at the list, but Ill rip it apart piece by piece.



Silver Surfer is IN CANNON not as powerful as Thor and thus can never be placed over him. Thor beats him EVERY SINGLE TIME they face and even after he has been amped to "the most powerful he has ever been" by Loki. He has also admitted he is not as powerful as Thor. On top of that he is beaten all the time by Thor just by physical force, which makes his endurance not very great. Superman deserves this spot for reasons I will show when I get to him.



Sentry/Void is actually a villain, he does not belong on here. Also if he were on here he SURE AS HELL would not be anywhere near the spot you placed him in, as his feats are nowhere near those of Superman's, Thor's, or even Silver Surfer. Also Thor killed Sentry/Void, when he was hurt and weakened, and after he just said whatever and decided to stop holding back. Hes been burnt up in the sun and good riddance, he was a horrible character.



You just contradicted yourself, but I digress. This is the spot for him, but hes obviously more powerful than the two you placed above him.

4)Superman Accurately represented as well. would add that he can breathe in space.
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I said I was giving a BRIEF SUMMERY, now you obviously dont know very much about Superman as you put him as number 4. He should be at 1 and Ill prove it now.

Superman lifts a book that contains THE MULTIVERSE with Captain Marvel:

This is a bigger feat than anything even Pre Crisis Superman did, and while hes with Captain Marvel it is later shown in the issue he didnt need him to do it, besides its infinite weight, thus it cant be split and they are both lifting infinite weight.

Superman flies through Roa Kryptons Red Sun(a weakness) while surrounded by Kryptonite(another weakness) and THEN gets blasted by heat vision from Superboy Prime and survives reentry and crashing to Mogo.

New Gods #10 (second series): Superman used his heat vision to cauterize tears in the fabric of reality as caused by S'ivaa.

Superman's shockwaves shatter reality with his punches when he doesnt hold back, and hes not even aiming at reality when he does it.

Superman uses his Torquasm Vo ability to dissolve an endless supply of magic energy, he can actually use this an a means to not be effected by reality warpers. Yes you read that right.

Reality warpers cant even beat him

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/VS REALITY WARPERS/vo31hz.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/VS REALITY WARPERS/vo23kw.jpg

Superman is so fast he can phase

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/speed/supermanfast3ar.jpg

Patching a hole in time/reality with his electromagnetic powers

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/CRAZY FEATS/realityfixng9.jpg

Superman should most certainly be number 1.



Until recently I would have put Thor above him, however Marvel is just as strong as Superman (He lifted the multiverse) and this feat is way above anything Thor has performed in strength. So I would now place him as number 2, as while hes not as powerful as Superman hes the closest thing to it.



Yes, but he should be number 6, Captain Atom is more powerful than he is.



Firestorm is not as powerful as Captain Atom. Are you aware Captain Atom created a UNIVERSE inside of his Quantum Field?

He lifted up a FUCKING BUILDING! Superman lifted THE MULTIVERSE. If your idea of proving hes as strong as Superman is a feat that pathetic then you fail.



Thats because he is not powerful enough to get on here. Hes not as powerful as anyone on my list and his feats are nowhere near good enough to get on here. And you thought Spawn didnt belong? lol

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10) Hulk: He deserved to be alot higher in his World War hulk stage,
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No, he didnt. This is about overall power, and Martian Manhunter is more POWERFUL than his is.

[/QUOTE]
but after the story he was massively depowered due to his anger level not being at its peak, and he was dumbed down to his mid 1990's power level. Which made him easy pickings for Rulk (Thunderbolt ross)[/QUOTE]

So what you wanted him to blow up the planet? He isnt as pissed off as he was at that point, and he just came back, he may very well become just as powerful as he was at the end of that series again, I mean hes been infused with cosmic rays now I think.

But Ive dispelled your arguments either way. And if someone wants to actually give a compelling argument, like I said in my opening post; POST SCANS.[/QUOTE]

No you did NOT dispell a damn thing, you pointed out opinions and how believe your list is gospel, and how mine is wrong, which does NOT mean you debunked a thing.

Sentry is only a villian in the recent, since you had the nerve to try and say that your using Al Simmons, and state he counts, though hes DEAD. Sentry at the height of him being a hero counts. yeah, so try again.He was able to HAND TO HAND stand of Galactus. I think that makes him rate. Just because what he did was erased, does NOT change his feats. And the molecule manipulation is alot more powerful that I believe you know. SO he counts. Just because YOU dont want to admit your wrong, doesnt mean its concrete that he doesnt. If you count Spawn, I count Bob

You didnt specify which hulk you werent using since your ''scans'' clearly showed WWH.

Since your proving that you dont want to debate or have a sensible conversation without pretty pictures to entertain you, Im not going into this any further. You want people to bow to your list and have no other thoughts, Which is bullshit, and make you no more than a fanboy know it all. So, good day

 

[Furyof5]

No you did NOT dispell a damn thing, you pointed out opinions and how believe your list is gospel, and how mine is wrong, which does NOT mean you debunked a thing.

Incorrect, I posted FEATS AND CANNON STATEMENTS, those in term proved you wrong.

Sentry is only a villian in the recent, since you had the nerve to try and say that your using Al Simmons, and state he counts, though hes DEAD.

But he was a hero.

Sentry at the height of him being a hero counts. yeah, so try again.

No, Void is and always has been the dominant version, Void is his evil more dominant version/form, he is thus a villain and doesnt qualify.

He was able to HAND TO HAND stand of Galactus. I think that makes him rate.

So did THE FUCKING THING, and Thing is nowhere near this list.

Just because what he did was erased, does NOT change his feats.

If they have been made non-cannon then they dont count, plain and simple. If they are still cannon hes still a villain, this has been shown recently in the cannon comics, namely Siege.

And the molecule manipulation is alot more powerful that I believe you know.

Ive shown to obviously know more about comics than you, so I do know. Also you need to supply SCANS OF THESE FEATS, IF YOU CAN NOT THEY WILL NOT BE COUNTED, READ THE FIRST POST.

SO he counts. Just because YOU dont want to admit your wrong, doesnt mean its concrete that he doesnt.

You havent proven me wrong in any facet of the word. I have an idea, post scans of his feats, if you can not then your argument will not be counted. End of story.

If you count Spawn, I count Bob

Totally different.

You didnt specify which hulk you werent using since your ''scans'' clearly showed WWH.

Whats your point? World War Hulk is NORMAL Hulk just extra pissed off. Have you never heard of War Hulk before? This is War Hulk:

He doesnt count because hes being amped by celestial technology. Learn to read or at least do some research.

Since your proving that you dont want to debate or have a sensible conversation without pretty pictures to entertain you, Im not going into this any further.

They are called SCANS, you NEED THEM to debate. Im not going to take your word for everything. You need scans to show what feats have been accomplished in a COMIC BOOK. You obviously are too mentally lazy to look them up.

You want people to bow to your list and have no other thoughts, Which is bullshit, and make you no more than a fanboy know it all. So, good day

You obviously missed the whole point of this. Im going to defend the list, when someone PROVES ME WRONG, I will change it. Proving me wrong involves SCANS which show feats, I will then compare and contrast them on here and if one is more powerful than the other OVERALL they will be placed on here. I have yet to be proven wrong on here. If you really knew what you were talking about You would post scans, but no go run away like the poor debater you are.

 

[Twiztid Rodimus]

Incorrect, I posted FEATS AND CANNON STATEMENTS, those in term proved you wrong.



But he was a hero.



No, Void is and always has been the dominant version, Void is his evil more dominant version/form, he is thus a villain and doesnt qualify.




So did THE FUCKING THING, and Thing is nowhere near this list.



If they have been made non-cannon then they dont count, plain and simple. If they are still cannon hes still a villain, this has been shown recently in the cannon comics, namely Siege.



Ive shown to obviously know more about comics than you, so I do know. Also you need to supply SCANS OF THESE FEATS, IF YOU CAN NOT THEY WILL NOT BE COUNTED, READ THE FIRST POST.



You havent proven me wrong in any facet of the word. I have an idea, post scans of his feats, if you can not then your argument will not be counted. End of story.



Totally different.



Whats your point? World War Hulk is NORMAL Hulk just extra pissed off. Have you never heard of War Hulk before? This is War Hulk:

He doesnt count because hes being amped by celestial technology. Learn to read or at least do some research.



They are called SCANS, you NEED THEM to debate. Im not going to take your word for everything. You need scans to show what feats have been accomplished in a COMIC BOOK. You obviously are too mentally lazy to look them up.



You obviously missed the whole point of this. Im going to defend the list, when someone PROVES ME WRONG, I will change it. Proving me wrong involves SCANS which show feats, I will then compare and contrast them on here and if one is more powerful than the other OVERALL they will be placed on here. I have yet to be proven wrong on here. If you really knew what you were talking about You would post scans, but no go run away like the poor debater you are.

You complete and utter obsession of scans bores the hell out of me, I dont have to prove a damn thing to you. This is just a time waster to me, Its a comic debate on a fucking wrestling website, and because you say so, Im wrong? Fuck you dude, I dont need to show scans to prove shit.

It was a mistake to come on this site and try to talk comics, so theres so many egotistical wrestling fans who feel the need to put themselves and they're own opinions over EVERYTHING. I have shit to prove to you poser. Stick your ''scans'' up your ass, your not the gospel of comics, especially not on a fucking wrestling site of all places.

Superman #1, Cliched answer.

 

[Furyof5]

You complete and utter obsession of scans bores the hell out of me, I dont have to prove a damn thing to you.

Then get the fuck out of my thread, the whole point of this thread is to PROVE ME WRONG WITH SCANS!

This is just a time waster to me, Its a comic debate on a fucking wrestling website,

Then why are you still typing?

and because you say so, Im wrong?

No, because you had no scans to back up your positions and I did. I proves SS shouldnt be number 1 because Thor is above him for one point, and you said that Atom was weaker when he created a fucking universe inside of his field. I used scans and proof like an actual debater does, not just said "he is because I say so"

Fuck you dude,

Oh, Im hurt, I think Ill go cry now...

I dont need to show scans to prove shit.

Actually in a debate about comics or any debate you need to cite where certain things occurred not just say "this happened". In comic book debates you have to opportunity to show a page that shows feats on it to prove your point, without access to those your point is not valid as it relies on taking your word for it. I showed scans to prove my points, thats how it works, especially in a thread where its stated you must do so. How havent you been infracted yet?

It was a mistake to come on this site and try to talk comics, so theres so many egotistical wrestling fans who feel the need to put themselves and they're own opinions over EVERYTHING.

No man, abosultly wrong. I stated this is beyond opinion, your job is to prove to my why I am wrong using feats and scans as evidence. I will then fire back with my own, and once we compare and contrast and see whom is correct changes will be made if you are victorious. Thats how debates of this manner work. Im not infallible nor am is omniscient, if you can prove me wrong Ill happily accept that and be happy to have gained knew knowledge, however just saying "Hes more powerful" or "this happened" doesnt cut it.

I have shit to prove to you poser.

What am I posing to be as? A comic book fan? Care to come to my home so I can show you my library? Or my posters and videogames?

Stick your ''scans'' up your ass, your not the gospel of comics, especially not on a fucking wrestling site of all places.

Im not the gospel lol, I stated that the cannon comics are the "gospel" in this situation. Use them to prove me wrong with scans and I shall meet your requests.

Superman #1, Cliched answer.

Not really, seeing as hes not #1 on a lot of them, or the most prominent ones. However you showed that you dont know shit about him anyway seeing as you put SS, Sentry, And Thor over him. Reading too much Marvel are we?

I dont care if hes the lamest hero ever created(Sentry is probably the worst), his spot is accurate because of his feats, like lifting the fucking Multiverse or shattering reality simply by punching someone, or cauterization reality with heat vision, or fixing a hole with his electromagnetic powers, or beating reality warpers. Superman may be too powerful in comparison to most heroes, but that doesnt make him any less deserving of this spot.

 

[Hazardous]

Well I apologize if it has been said, and I missed it, but are you counting "Final Crisis" in this or no? I have my copy sitting right beside me actually, and depending if it is counted or not will change my picks.

 

[Furyof5]

Well I apologize if it has been said, and I missed it, but are you counting "Final Crisis" in this or no? I have my copy sitting right beside me actually, and depending if it is counted or not will change my picks.

Yes I am counting it, I used the book containing the Multiverse as a feat for Superman and Captain Marvel.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

Yea it gets to be annoying, this is why this only deals with cannon feats and statements.

Ok, well MM states that he's as strong as Superman in Blackest Night.

I liked R.I.P. I thought the story was pretty good.

Yeah it's one of my favourites (no surprise really, huh?). Did you read the Black Glove and Batman & Son stuff leading up to it? I really enjoyed the '3 Ghosts of Batman' story in particular and the 'Club of Villains' arc.

Thats not how it works, if something is cannon its cannon and useable, if its been retconned its been retconned. But in either case this is why we go by FEATS.

I'm not sure why you've said this. The examples i gave are two books written within a short time frame (Final Crisis: Rogues Revenge actually being a tie-in to FC), from the same series that contradict one another. Final Crisis wasn't retconned, they just fucked up with cannon, same with RIP/B&R. The artist for B&R obviously didn't actually read RIP. Or maybe Morrison will turn around and say 'Joker fixed his face', but i highly doubt it.

I know comics are crazy and stupid/insane things can happen, but this is why to establish something we also use feats, as Ive shown. If someone isnt anywhere near close to another in feats then we can say that featwise they are not on the level of that power/skill.

I'll come back to this, Boss'll kill me if i keep doing this while i'm working.

Justice League is not cannon. Only Comics are cannon.

Ok, fair enough. The DCAU is part of the Multiverse now if i remember correctly, but if you don't want to count it then fair enough.

Its not though, Ive already shown Superman lifting a book which contained the Multiverse, J'onn's feats are nowhere near that, and that is why feats are the final say in the matters of placement and why Ive specifically asked people to use them.

Has J'onn ever even had to tackle something that large? I mean, Supes has done just about everything the greatest minds in comics can come up with, and J'onn has been the JLA's receptionist more often than not. He's just not used in the same way that say Supes, Bats, WW, GL, Flash etc are used.

Who's to say that if he had gone to Limbo he wouldn't have been able to lift it?

Plus i interpreted that book to be like an interface for anyone who uses it to find out anything about anything, not actually a device/being with the Multiverse in it, despite the fact that Supes actually says that....... but then that could be me just not getting Morrison's writing.

"WE NEED TO PLUG THE HOLE IN FOREVER!" Still cracks me up every time.

If you think so prove to me in SCANS like Ive stated in my opening post.

I'm not that fussed about arguing with your thoughts mate, i thought you asked us all to give our lists/thoughts for the fun of it, as opposed to 'try and disprove Furyof5's thought's on comic books.'

I mean, you've no idea how much i've fought the urge to simply say 'Bats would still dick all of them in a fight.'

You clearly know your stuff and if i didn't have to find other posts worthy of green rep before i can rep you again, i'd have given you one for A) a great thread idea and B) having such a passionate love for comic books, and C) not picking John Stewart for Green Lantern, lol.

But i'm not going to waste time trying to find proof that MM deserves a little more credit. I don't even like the character that much to defend him.

 

[Hazardous]

Alright, so I've thought it over, done some research, and created a list myself. I'm going to do it a little different, and count down, from 10-1. Oh, and Twizted, chill out man. That was bordering on Flamming. Take that stuff to the cage.. Would hate to see a decent poster get banned over a freak out over a comic topic.

#10) Wolverine

That's right I said it. Wolverine. This is his first appearance on this thread, but he's on my list for a very good reason. With the catchphrase "I'm the best there is at what I do, but what I do best isn't very nice," It rings true. At what he does, no one is better then Wolverine. Not many people can say they went toe-to-toe with the Hulk, not only that but actually HURT the hulk. His healing powers have no limit, as shown when he was caught in an explosion, and his entire body incinerated (except his brain cased within his adamantium skull) yet it regenerated it's self. His healing ability also helps him take not only a massive amount of pain, but also decreased his aging. Where some superhero's still grow old and die, Wolverine can live for hundreds of years. This is why he is on my list.


#9) HULK

Now I don't recall if you said crossover's counted in this or not, but that pic was just the one I had, so used it as a base to go off of to explain how strong The Hulk really is. I'm going to just quote Fury on powers, because he said it all really "Strength, endurance, and speed directly proportional to his stress level, which is without limit. Healing factor, Ability to breath under water, adaptability."
But the reason he is #9 for me, is due to his biggest strength, is also his biggest weakness. His rage. Can get distracted way too easy, and also turn on the good guys.

#8) Black Bolt

Odd pick, I know.. But hear me out. Black Bolt has often been described as one of the most powerful superheroes in the Marvel universe by other heroes, and for good reason. Through electron gathering and manipulation, Black Bolt can increase any aspect of his physical nature to superhuman levels, including his strength, speed, stamina and durability. In times of great need, he can channel this power into a single devastating punch called “The Master Blow”. He can also harness the electrons for matter transformation; the controlled projection of energy as concussive blasts or quasi-solid particle/electron fiends, broadcasting jamming frequencies, and flight. But Black Bolt’s most powerful offensive weapon is his cacophonous voice, a hypersonic shout that can level an entire city, and his merest whisper has been shown capable of breaking every bone in the Hulk’s body. It’s even been suggested that his voice is capable of destroying an entire planet.

#7)Martian Manhunter

I like the Manhunter. Always have. But for this list, he does fall short. Not that I don't think he's strong, but in a one on one fight with the rest of these guys, I just don't think he'd cut it. Great powers, no one actually knows the extent of his powers. they've never FULLY been explored. We've seen super strength, super speed, durability, flight, shapeshifting, invisibility, and “Martian” vision. He can also alter his density to become incredibly strong, tough and ultimately intangible, he is a powerful telepath and he also possesses 9 different senses. In the past he’s even regenerated his entire body from only his severed hand.

#6) The Flash

I used this picture for a reason. How many superhero's can out run death himself? Even Darkseid himself fell to him. Yet Flash out run's him and lives.
People who don’t read a lot of comic books often assume that the Flash’s only super power is that he can run really fast, but otherwise he’s just a normal guy. They don’t realize that he can also turn his opponent into a statue, or phase his hand through his opponent’s head, causing it to explode. He is also impressively durable for a ” normal” human, and most, though not all of his impressive feats of durability have been performed while moving faster than normal.

#5) Captain Atom

With strength to match Superman, and energy manipulation powers comparable to the Silver Surfer, Captain Atom had to be on this list. Since his Dilustel skin is tied into the Quantum Field, Captain Atom can theoretically absorb and manipulate infinite amounts of energy. The amount he can use is limited only by his willpower. He can fire energy blasts from any point on his body. This energy can also be used for flight (which is generally faster than the speed of sound in Earth’s atmosphere and up to half-light speed in the vacuum of space).

#4) The Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)

As a member of the Green Lantern Corps, he wields a power ring that can generate a variety of effects and energy constructs, sustained purely by the ring wearer’s strength of will. The greater the user’s willpower, the more effective the ring. The limits of the power ring’s abilities are never defined, but it has been referred to as “the most powerful weapon in the universe” on more than one occasion. Over the years, the ring has been shown capable of accomplishing almost anything within the imagination of the ring bearer. It has allowed him to move at speeds that match the Flash, and it has even allowed him to travel backwards in time. Often the rings are used to form solid-light constructs, the power and size of which are limited only by the ring-bearer’s willpower. With his protective bubbles and mean green energy bursts, the Green Lantern has fought with, and at varying times against, such heavyweights as Superman and Captain Marvel.

#3) Silver Surfer

And like all heralds of Galactus, the Silver Surfer possesses the power cosmic, an energy source capable of doing almost anything, from re-arranging molecules, to energy blasts, to time travel, to bringing people back from the dead. With the Silver Surfer it’s more of a question of what he can’t do, than what he can. Going by his powers alone the Silver Surfer is a beast. The only thing that keeps him out of the top spot on this list is how wildly inconsistent he has been written. In one comic we see him defeating a couple of primordial elder gods who are each supposed to be a match for Galactus himself, and in another he is getting KO’ed by the Thing. We are told in one comic that the power cosmic he wields makes him the most powerful non-cosmic level entity in the universe, yet in another comic we see that even with his powers augmented to “the most powerful they’ve ever been” by Loki, he is only able to force draw against Thor, with the Surfer himself claiming that his power cosmic is no match for Thor’s mystical powers. Even with his inconsistency, the Surfer is one of the most powerful characters in the Marvel Universe. But not #1.

#2) Captain Marvel

Now I wanted to include Thor.. I really, really wanted to. But I ran out of spots, and I thought each one of these deserved the spot they got. But the #2 spot goes to Cap.Marvel. He has magical abilities much like Dr. Strange and doesn’t have the drawback of being a human. Captain Marvel has often been shown to be equal to Superman physically, at least when they’re not directly fighting. And with his other unique abilities, his power is quite close to Superman. Occasionally he’s even shown to be seemingly superior to Superman.

#1) Superman
Go figure right? There are many different versions of Superman which have been interpreted by many different writers over the years. These different versions of Superman range from being not powerful enough to make the list of the top 10 most powerful superheroes, to being too powerful to even qualify for the list. There are versions of Superman that are capable of towing around galaxies, but there are also versions that have been knocked out by Lex Luthor wearing a robotic suit. The version of Superman that I consider to be the most iconic one though is the one that can punch through a small planet, fly at multiple times the speed of light, but who is also vulnerable to kryptonite, red solar radiation, and to varying degrees, magic as well. This version of Superman has practically has every super power you can imagine, or want, which puts him in a league of his own. In addition to possessing all of these powers, time and time again Superman has gone up against villains many times more powerful than himself, magic-wielders and even villains using kryptonite against him, and yet he always seems to come out on top. Yes I am bias in this, as superman has always been my favorite. Hell, I have the damn House of El shield tattooed on my chest! We may never know all the powers Sup's has, as they are forever changing. Adding, and subtracting. But when people say " Most Powerful Superhero" 9/10 people are going to say Superman. Whether they be comic readers, or just regular people on the street.

Now that I am done my list, and I'm sure will be heavily criticized for it, I wanted to throw in one last picture, just for Fury

Haha, sorry, you know I had to.

 

[Furyof5]

#10) Wolverine

That's right I said it. Wolverine. This is his first appearance on this thread, but he's on my list for a very good reason.

Ill prove why he doesnt belong.

With the catchphrase "I'm the best there is at what I do, but what I do best isn't very nice," It rings true. At what he does, no one is better then Wolverine.

Superman can track someone anywhere in the universe with his senses and be there in a short amount of time via flight. His hearing for instance is so powerful he can hear the "music" that the Multiverse exudes, so if you mean tracking there are much better trackers.

Not many people can say they went toe-to-toe with the Hulk, not only that but actually HURT the hulk.

While this is a good thing, it can be said of many of those whom dont belong. For example Thing has gone toe to toe with Hulk, and hes not as powerful. It all depends upon writers. Hulk has beaten Thor several times in the past, but hes not as powerful. This is why we use feats.

His healing powers have no limit, as shown when he was caught in an explosion, and his entire body incinerated (except his brain cased within his adamantium skull) yet it regenerated it's self.

His healing powers do have a limit actually, hes been unable to totally regenerate during long fights in the past. Also Hulk has done the same, and Hulks has been said to be greater than Wolverines. One of the issues isnt his healing though, but the fact he needs it from something as simple as an explosion or even being shot. Hulk has had gamma bombs and nukes blow up right on top of him and has been fine, Wolverine would have to regenerate.

His healing ability also helps him take not only a massive amount of pain, but also decreased his aging. Where some superhero's still grow old and die, Wolverine can live for hundreds of years. This is why he is on my list.

Superman is defacto immortal, he has beaten the god of death, the universal personification of Death and has been said not to be able to die by them, and we know nearly 1000,000 years in the future he still lives on as Golden Superman Prime.

Hulk has been shown that no matter what they hit him with he cant die(with the exception of the terrible written Rulk series). Hulk has had holes blown through his chest where his heart was, automatically regenerated and got back up.

Another thing is that while Wolverine isnt durable he also isnt very strong, at least compared to everyone else on here. He has great strength compared to Noarmal people, but not anyone on this list.

Hulk, whos place hes trying to take is able to lift an infinite amount of weight. And while thats a big reason hes on here, his other powers simply put him above Wolverine, and hes only 10 on the list.

If you want to prove your case then post scans of his feats, but I know of all of them as Ive tried to do this in the past and it probably wont be enough.

#9) HULK

Now I don't recall if you said crossover's counted in this or not, but that pic was just the one I had, so used it as a base to go off of to explain how strong The Hulk really is.

Crossovers are non-cannon, at least in the situation of Hulk Vs Superman.

I'm going to just quote Fury on powers, because he said it all really "Strength, endurance, and speed directly proportional to his stress level, which is without limit. Healing factor, Ability to breath under water, adaptability."

But the reason he is #9 for me, is due to his biggest strength, is also his biggest weakness. His rage. Can get distracted way too easy, and also turn on the good guys.

So why should he be number 9 then? See the idea is for me to change my list so that it meets what you the writer wants, why should I move him up?

#8) Black Bolt

Odd pick, I know.. But hear me out. Black Bolt has often been described as one of the most powerful superheroes in the Marvel universe by other heroes, and for good reason.

But of all time? He was on another list I was arguing but I saw feats from others which changed my mind.

Through electron gathering and manipulation, Black Bolt can increase any aspect of his physical nature to superhuman levels, including his strength, speed, stamina and durability.

And what does Superhuman count as? Because there are members of this list that can do the same, and others that are way above that.

In times of great need, he can channel this power into a single devastating punch called “The Master Blow”. He can also harness the electrons for matter transformation; the controlled projection of energy as concussive blasts or quasi-solid particle/electron fiends, broadcasting jamming frequencies, and flight. But Black Bolt’s most powerful offensive weapon is his cacophonous voice, a hypersonic shout that can level an entire city, and his merest whisper has been shown capable of breaking every bone in the Hulk’s body. It’s even been suggested that his voice is capable of destroying an entire planet.

Lol you took this from that other list didnt you? If you take a look I used to be a big poster on there. And talked about this in depth.

Now I know full well about his powers, but if you want him on my list show why. I personally dont think hes powerful enough, as I know Hulk and probably everyone else on the list can blow up/destroy a planet, but all Ive heard from Black Bolt is that he can destroy half of one at full scream.

#7)Martian Manhunter

I like the Manhunter. Always have. But for this list, he does fall short. Not that I don't think he's strong, but in a one on one fight with the rest of these guys, I just don't think he'd cut it. Great powers, no one actually knows the extent of his powers. they've never FULLY been explored. We've seen super strength, super speed, durability, flight, shapeshifting, invisibility, and “Martian” vision. He can also alter his density to become incredibly strong, tough and ultimately intangible, he is a powerful telepath and he also possesses 9 different senses. In the past he’s even regenerated his entire body from only his severed hand.

Yes, though I think he should be 8 due to everyone I placed over him being more powerful, I have considered replacing Spawn, but thats about it.

Once again, if you think hes should be moved up to 7 show scans of his biggest feats as evidence.

#6) The Flash

I used this picture for a reason. How many superhero's can out run death himself? Even Darkseid himself fell to him. Yet Flash out run's him and lives.
People who don’t read a lot of comic books often assume that the Flash’s only super power is that he can run really fast, but otherwise he’s just a normal guy. They don’t realize that he can also turn his opponent into a statue, or phase his hand through his opponent’s head, causing it to explode. He is also impressively durable for a ” normal” human, and most, though not all of his impressive feats of durability have been performed while moving faster than normal.

I dont agree with his sport at 6, you seemed to move everyone up by removing Thor, that should have never been done. Ill show why with Thor in a few.

#5) Captain Atom

With strength to match Superman, and energy manipulation powers comparable to the Silver Surfer, Captain Atom had to be on this list. Since his Dilustel skin is tied into the Quantum Field, Captain Atom can theoretically absorb and manipulate infinite amounts of energy. The amount he can use is limited only by his willpower. He can fire energy blasts from any point on his body. This energy can also be used for flight (which is generally faster than the speed of sound in Earth’s atmosphere and up to half-light speed in the vacuum of space).

If you want him at 5 show why in scans, however I feel you only moved him up because of no Thor.

#4) The Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)

As a member of the Green Lantern Corps, he wields a power ring that can generate a variety of effects and energy constructs, sustained purely by the ring wearer’s strength of will. The greater the user’s willpower, the more effective the ring. The limits of the power ring’s abilities are never defined, but it has been referred to as “the most powerful weapon in the universe” on more than one occasion. Over the years, the ring has been shown capable of accomplishing almost anything within the imagination of the ring bearer. It has allowed him to move at speeds that match the Flash, and it has even allowed him to travel backwards in time. Often the rings are used to form solid-light constructs, the power and size of which are limited only by the ring-bearer’s willpower. With his protective bubbles and mean green energy bursts, the Green Lantern has fought with, and at varying times against, such heavyweights as Superman and Captain Marvel.

Let me get this straight, you think that not only is he more powerful than Kyle Rayner, but hes more powerful than Flash and Captain Atom? I would love to see your feats for as to why you would ever replace Thor and Kyle with Hal Jordan. Show me his greatest feats (They must be normal form, no Spectre or Paralax, Ill show you Kyles)

#3) Silver Surfer

And like all heralds of Galactus, the Silver Surfer possesses the power cosmic, an energy source capable of doing almost anything, from re-arranging molecules, to energy blasts, to time travel, to bringing people back from the dead. With the Silver Surfer it’s more of a question of what he can’t do, than what he can. Going by his powers alone the Silver Surfer is a beast. The only thing that keeps him out of the top spot on this list is how wildly inconsistent he has been written. In one comic we see him defeating a couple of primordial elder gods who are each supposed to be a match for Galactus himself, and in another he is getting KO’ed by the Thing. We are told in one comic that the power cosmic he wields makes him the most powerful non-cosmic level entity in the universe, yet in another comic we see that even with his powers augmented to “the most powerful they’ve ever been” by Loki, he is only able to force draw against Thor, with the Surfer himself claiming that his power cosmic is no match for Thor’s mystical powers. Even with his inconsistency, the Surfer is one of the most powerful characters in the Marvel Universe. But not #1.

So why is Thor NOT ON HERE? Thor has been shown in cannon to be more powerful than Silver Surfer. On the list you got your talking points from hes ranked number one(sure hes a Thor "fanboy" but still), and he sure as hell should be on this list.

Any list Silver Surfer is on Thor MUST not only be on but ranked ABOVE him. Its been proven Thor is more powerful time and time again, in cannon. An Amped Silver Surfer, as you just "stated" to the greatest his powers have ever been still couldnt beat Thor prompting Surfer to say Thor is more powerful.

So why on Gods green Earth would you say SS is stronger but Thor isnt even worthy of being on here?

#2) Captain Marvel

Now I wanted to include Thor.. I really, really wanted to. But I ran out of spots, and I thought each one of these deserved the spot they got. But the #2 spot goes to Cap.Marvel.

I agree with your placement, but to think that Thor shouldnt even be on here and that somehow Wolverine should is asinine.

He has magical abilities much like Dr. Strange and doesn’t have the drawback of being a human. Captain Marvel has often been shown to be equal to Superman physically, at least when they’re not directly fighting. And with his other unique abilities, his power is quite close to Superman. Occasionally he’s even shown to be seemingly superior to Superman.

#1) Superman
Go figure right? There are many different versions of Superman which have been interpreted by many different writers over the years. These different versions of Superman range from being not powerful enough to make the list of the top 10 most powerful superheroes, to being too powerful to even qualify for the list.

Thats actually inaccurate. Even his weakest during the Byrne era was

There are versions of Superman that are capable of towing around galaxies, but there are also versions that have been knocked out by Lex Luthor wearing a robotic suit. The version of Superman that I consider to be the most iconic one though is the one that can punch through a small planet, fly at multiple times the speed of light, but who is also vulnerable to kryptonite, red solar radiation, and to varying degrees, magic as well.
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Ive shown him flying through a red star surrounded by Kryptonite then getting blasted, falling to a planet, and being ok. Its nowhere near as the original poster thought.

This version of Superman has practically has every super power you can imagine, or want, which puts him in a league of his own. In addition to possessing all of these powers, time and time again Superman has gone up against villains many times more powerful than himself, magic-wielders and even villains using kryptonite against him, and yet he always seems to come out on top. Yes I am bias in this, as superman has always been my favorite. Hell, I have the damn House of El shield tattooed on my chest! We may never know all the powers Sup's has, as they are forever changing. Adding, and subtracting. But when people say " Most Powerful Superhero" 9/10 people are going to say Superman. Whether they be comic readers, or just regular people on the street.

Now that I am done my list, and I'm sure will be heavily criticized for it, I wanted to throw in one last picture, just for Fury

Haha, sorry, you know I had to.

Lol, but hes not really "dead", just lost in time, he came back already to my knowledge in "The Return of Bruce Wayne"

I agree with the last 2 positions, but to get rid of Thor to put fucking Wolverine on it, is ridiculous. I can understand the Black Bolt argument, and if you can post his biggest feats and persuade me Ill put him on, but in the mean time there is no reason for me to take Thor or Spawn off of the list.

 

[Hazardous]

Lol, but hes not really "dead", just lost in time, he came back already to my knowledge in "The Return of Bruce Wayne"

No I know, they even show at the end of it that he wasn't actually dead, rather sent back in time somehow. I think it was Metron. Just always found it funny, since my whole life everyone has used the "Batman is better then Superman" argument

I agree with the last 2 positions, but to get rid of Thor to put fucking Wolverine on it, is ridiculous. I can understand the Black Bolt argument, and if you can post his biggest feats and persuade me Ill put him on, but in the mean time there is no reason for me to take Thor or Spawn off of the list.

Yes it's true I did get my info from somewhere else, But that list you are talking about had Thor at #1, which is one I don't agree with, and neither did you in your list either. I more made a list of my favorite 10 strongest, not so much to make you change your mind. I had Wolverine over Spawn, due to I think in a one on one fight, Spawn would lose. Only say that due to spawn having a limit on how much he can use for powers, and wolverine has a super-human amount of stamina. I do agree Thor should be on the list, and I'm sure if I thought it over more, I could re-write it to have him in there. Would probably be at #2 as well, but in no way would I ever put him at #1. Just a personal thing.

 

[Furyof5]

Yes it's true I did get my info from somewhere else, But that list you are talking about had Thor at #1, which is one I don't agree with, and neither did you in your list either. I more made a list of my favorite 10 strongest, not so much to make you change your mind.

This makes sense, but the point of the thread is to pursued me to change my list.

I had Wolverine over Spawn, due to I think in a one on one fight, Spawn would lose. Only say that due to spawn having a limit on how much he can use for powers, and wolverine has a super-human amount of stamina.

I really dont think that it would take Spawn the time it takes to not be able to use any more of his powers to beat Wolverine. However its about the most powerful, not the best fighter.

I do agree Thor should be on the list, and I'm sure if I thought it over more, I could re-write it to have him in there.

Yes, in the actually list he would have to be on it.

Would probably be at #2 as well, but in no way would I ever put him at #1. Just a personal thing.

Why would you place him above Marvel though? I think Marvel's feats and powers combined with his Final Crisis feats has shown to be more powerful than Thor.

 

[FunKay the Inevitable]

I must say that I'm surprised by the distinct lack of Thanos. Thanos at one time was arguably the most powerful being in all of comics. During the Infinity Trilogy, he held power that was unimaginable. Even the mightiest of warriors were afraid of him.

A lot of people will claim that's down to the Infinity Gauntlet, but it takes skill to wield that bad boy & Thanos had skill. This guy had used the power well. Even without the Gauntlet though, Thanos is incredibly powerful.

Wikipedia:
Powers and abilities

Thanos is a mutant member of the race of superhumans known as the Titanian Eternals. The character possesses abilities common to the Eternals, but in some cases far beyond any other known member of his race; acquired through a combination of his mutant Eternal heritage, bionic amplification, mysticism, and the entity Death. He has demonstrated enormous superhuman strength, stamina, and particularly durability; is able to absorb and project vast quantities of cosmic energy; is virtually ageless and immortal; does not need food or oxygen; and is capable of certain telekinesis, as well as limited telepathy and matter manipulation. The advanced technology within his transportation chairs includes force field projection, time travel, movement through alternate universes, space flight, and teleportation over interstellar distances. Thanos is an accomplished hand-to-hand combatant, having been trained in the art of war on Titan.

Thanos is extremely intelligent (he considers his mind his greatest weapon) and possesses knowledge of Celestial and other alien technology. He is also a master strategist and sometimes utilizes a space vessel called Sanctuary II as a base of operations.

Thanos could wipe the greatest of civilisations out and he could do it in style. Death herself granted Thanos power. Do you know how powerful that makes him? He has the power of Death itself in the palm of his hand. That would enable him to kill thousands, if not millions, of people at one time.