TNA Bashing Hypocrites, Report for duty!(Raw Related)

[ilapierre]

I can't say it any better than Zevon zion. I too have watched the last three RAWs and last night's Raw completely lost me. During the Orton match i started to fall asleep. Those Nexus guys are like a bunch of Brooklyn Brawlers. I don't understand why Orton would have trouble whooping them all at once. I have no idea who is feuding. Cena vs the Miz is the title match at WM and there is no feud besides for a belt. There is nothing else there. The Miz should be on Jersey Shore or something not on a wrestling program.
There is no believable wrestling bone in his body. It's funny, people come one here hypocritically trashing everything TNA is doing because they are lost watching it. They are like me, a casual Raw fan, and they don't get how anything advances storylines. They're not REALLY into it, the wrestlers they have little to no interest in no matter how talented, and Bischoff/Hogan/Russo are the three biggest threats ever in the history of marks beloved WWE. That's why they go all apeshit calling for the demise of this trio. Because they're marks. Marks let WWE be the exception and hypocritically call out TNA for doing the 'exact same things' WWE does. That's a definition of a mark. Marks also don't get that they are marks, same goes for smarks. They think they are one of the few who bypasses that labeling. Anyway, WWE can program 3 wrestling matches into its show and that is fine because it's 'setting things up' but when TNA does it it's not to 'set things up' but it's done for no reason but to 'lamely attack WWE.' As if all the feuds in WWE aren't lame, one where Cena and Miz have no chemistry, one where Orton squashes a bunch of no names, one where Taker and Trips is a predictable one with little to no reason, one where The Rock shows up once and a while like Hogan does and has little to no direction, one where a legend like Jerry Lawler has trouble with a big menancing ****** in Jack Swagger and can't get his hands on another lowly commentator, and then who knows what else is going on?? I don't. I'm so sick of such biased argumentation. If you like what WWE is doing and turn around and not like what TNA is doing then it has nothing to do with TNA's product sucking and WWE's being amazing. It has to do with you are WWE mark and you do not want to admit it. Everyone here trashing TNA believes they are not marks, they believe they have cred because they profess that they are not marks. They believe they are right and people who call them out are wrong because there are more of them than there are of fans standing up for TNA.

3 matches, an old guy squashes a new guy, boring segments, fan confusion about feuds, weakest WM card in WWE history, biggest feud being a yawner between Taker and Trips (we all know who is gonna win and we could give two shits) and without The Rock i'm not watching and the old audience isn't either. TNA might not be increasing their ratings consistently but neither has WWE therefore both promotion's shows over the past few years have been equally successful/unsuccessful. WWE marks, whether you realize yet what you are or not, it's time to stop calling the pot black

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

The lack of actual wrestling didn't bother me because it's unusual for Raw. WWE and it's employees are setting up for the biggest show of the year. They are showcasing those who are going to be apart of the show, and advancing storylines. If this were something that happened week in and week out, all year long, I wouldn't be happy.

But it isn't. With TNA, it's common. Not only is it common, but the talking segments suck. If TNA were putting out a quality show with a shitload of talking, I wouldn't care. But with all the rambling and incoherent babble, I'd rather watch TNA guys wrestle. The storylines are shit, they're poorly written, etc. Why would I want to watch a lot of talking from guys who aren't good at it?

 

[tgrfan]

you will be hard pressed to get people to bash wwe.its the known company there for most everyone lets them by with putting on crap shows for some reason.its a mob mentality everyone else blast's people feel they have to join in on the hater train.RAW was utter crap last night.i dont care if you are on the road to WM to put on a crap show like they did last night is just a slap in the face.not to mention most of the promos they did last night were weak.

 

[Meliaya]

I use to watch WWE and TNA but had to stop watching WWE because of its lack of total entertainment. TNA has a extremly stronger (talented) roster than WWE and their Knockouts division could dominate the shit out of the Divas. When I watched WWE it was always the same old stuff with the same people in control of the program. I was going to have to gouge my eyes and ears out if I had to continue to watch WWE (mainly because of Vickie Guererro). Speaking of Vickie, why does she have so much stroke in the company and why do they continue to push her character when no one likes her even as a heel (when Orton was heel there was still people who liked his character... I dont think anyone likes Vickies character). Back to TNA, yes they have been agrivating me since Bishoff came in with all the changes they are making but in a whole, TNA programming is far more entertaing than WWE. Even though I quit watching WWE I still flip to the show every once in awhile and laugh because, no matter what time during the two hours I turn it to it, it always is either showing Cena, Punk or Miz... No matter when. WWE will always be #1 rated because of the money they have and the name has been around forever but when it comes to complete entertainment and the best wrestling program TNA wins hands down.

My problem with TNA isn't lack of wrestling, it's a lack of logic, sense, or consistency in the storytelling. While WWE is just as talkie as TNA, at least the things WWE does is entertaining, has an internal logic, and doesn't make me walk away thinking "What the hell were they smoking, that they think that made sense?"

The problem with TNA isn't the wrestling/promo balance, it's the absolutely stupid and inane crap that they put on the air

 

[Kenny Powers]

I'm not a TNA bashing hypocrite, but I will say what problems I saw on Raw. There were huge returns and speeches by Triple H and The Rock. Even HBK did a video. I didn't like how Triple H stated that him and The Undertaker are the last of the two "outlaws" in WWE and that the only match that matters to him or to WrestleMania is his match against Undertaker. It really makes the rest of the matches and the younger talent look meaningless.

So much for Sheamus. I guess the man that "ended Triple H's career" isn't even good enough for Triple H to talk about, or is even able to fight Triple H. A good return for Evan Bourne though at the expense of Sheamus being buried.

The Miz did a decent job of trying to be the focus of our attention for WrestleMania, but everyone soon forgot about him as soon as The Rock gave his promo. I'm afraid The Miz will be an afterthought at this point since the focus is mainly on Rock and Cena. Cena should of came out to the ring pissed, ready to take Miz's head off. I guess he was dying to talk about his lame gay jokes about Riley, blue khakis, and dog poo. I thought I was watching a divas match because of how silent the crowd was for that promo.

The Rock's promo wasn't as good as his first one. I felt kind of awkward since he was rambling on and on. He was passionate and had a lot of emotion, but it was hard to take his love for the fans serious when he was doing a interview Via Satellite. I don't doubt his loyalty or his love for the business. It just doesn't come across strong if he isn't there live in person. I could also care less whether we hear or see from The Rock again after Mania since he has a career in Hollywood.

I don't think there were any real matches last night. Maybe the main event lasted longer then 5 minutes. I liked Michael's Cole promo and stipulation, but I am sad to see Jack Swagger demoted to a trainer. At least he is on the card. I thought Alex Riley would be a better fit as trainer or even special guest ref. I guess that isn't in the cards since he is fired.

Orton bores me to tears, but he is having a decent feud with Punk. I liked the stipulation about the Nexus being banned from WrestleMania if Orton beats them in a match. I just wonder where that leaves Nexus at Mania.

One last thing to comment is the HOF announcement. I feel bad for the Armstrong family getting their hopes up to see dear old Dad announced in the HOF on national television. It was announced on WWE.com. You mean to tell me that WWE didn't have a lousy 2 minutes to announce Bullet Bob Armstrong in the HOF? They could of easily cut the horrible Divas tag or 5 minutes off of Cena's gay joke rant.

Overall I was excited about Raw tonight, but it was shitty. It wasn't that spectacular last week either. I hope something interesting happens within the next few weeks if they expect me to pay $65 on April 3rd.

 

[shitsngiggles]

The Rock's promo sucked! They could have cut that down a lot. He looks like an idiot these days wobbling about while going round in circles with the same crap sentences.

They didn't need HBK this week either, should have left that for next week.

 

[VinnieSunshine]

Yes there was. Daniel Bryan was being introduced for a match and Miz attacked him. It doesn't matter what history they have, the only reason Miz attacked Bryan was literally cut more wrestling from the show and head straight to the main event. It was a pointless move that generated more confusion and heat on the booking than it did for The Miz.

Ok first off genius its called a BAIT & SWITCH...it happens all the time. If you actually go back and look at the time, any smart wrestling fan would no that there wasn't going to be a match anyway. Bryan was introduced at 10:50pm and they STILL had a cage match to do. So by your call you would've liked to have seen a 3 minute match? Sorry I enjoyed the way it played out and it added (even though I love him) MORE heat to Miz because a HEEL attacked a fan favorite FACE! Yeah...cause THAT doesn't happen at all in wrestling. <---Sarcasm

Some continuity would be nice. How's it possible that a match starts and goes halfway during a commercial? I don't if it's the Divas or anybody else. There's no excuse for having a match be halfway obscured from TV. It's just as bad as a match ending during commercial.

BECAUSE it was the Divas and they had to push time. Again, Im glad that they did it. That match was everything it needed to be...quick and painless and over really quick. The ones that matter and can actually wrestle were out of the match quickly anyway. At least the match didn't END durring a commercial. Unless its Beth Phoenix, Natalya, Melina or Gail Kim (maybe Eve) I could care less what happens with the Divas. As far as Im concerned, the WOMENS DIVISION died when Trish and Lita retired.


Man some people just need to find something to bitch about.

 

[ABMorales787]

Ok first off genius its called a BAIT & SWITCH...it happens all the time. If you actually go back and look at the time, any smart wrestling fan would no that there wasn't going to be a match anyway. Bryan was introduced at 10:50pm and they STILL had a cage match to do. So by your call you would've liked to have seen a 3 minute match? Sorry I enjoyed the way it played out and it added (even though I love him) MORE heat to Miz because a HEEL attacked a fan favorite FACE! Yeah...cause THAT doesn't happen at all in wrestling. <---Sarcasm

Yeah. Matter of fact an extra 3 minutes of wrestling would've been nice. An attempt to showcase some wrestling in a wrestling show would've been nice. Since TNA happens to be on the subject, don't they have a "bad" habit of placing 3 minute matches into the show? At least they give us something when saturating their program with promos. So the reason Miz taking out Daniel Bryan made sense is because he's a heel and DB's a face? That's it, really? At least say DB's Miz's whipping boy or something. Give me something to work with instead of such a cheap excuse. It got The Miz nothing and did nothing positive for Daniel Bryan. A cheap trick to get heat that was unnecessary. Had it been in an episode where there was a good amount of wrestling and not teased with a full match just for that letdown, it would've been acceptable.

BECAUSE it was the Divas and they had to push time. Again, Im glad that they did it. That match was everything it needed to be...quick and painless and over really quick. The ones that matter and can actually wrestle were out of the match quickly anyway. At least the match didn't END durring a commercial. Unless its Beth Phoenix, Natalya, Melina or Gail Kim (maybe Eve) I could care less what happens with the Divas. As far as Im concerned, the WOMENS DIVISION died when Trish and Lita retired.

Then why in the blue fuck air the match halfway done. Air it on Superstars. Air it on WWE.com. Air it anywhere, but don't just plant in on people's faces and expect them to know what's happening from the get go. We come back from break to a bunch of women in the ring fighting, Eve on commentary and well, I was scratching my head wondering if I had changed the channel or missed something. I find it funny you mention Beth, Natalya and Melina. Because it would seem they were all eliminated during the break. But what the hell do we know. We never got a formal introduction. So we don't know who participated in that mess.

Man some people just need to find something to bitch about.

Like wrestling? Well air some and we might have a deal.

 

[VinnieSunshine]

Then why in the blue fuck air the match halfway done. Air it on Superstars. Air it on WWE.com. Air it anywhere, but don't just plant in on people's faces and expect them to know what's happening from the get go. We come back from break to a bunch of women in the ring fighting, Eve on commentary and well, I was scratching my head wondering if I had changed the channel or missed something. I find it funny you mention Beth, Natalya and Melina. Because it would seem they were all eliminated during the break. But what the hell do we know. We never got a formal introduction. So we don't know who participated in that mess.

Whatever channel you watched RAW on must have went to a commercial because I watched Melina try to eliminate Natalya only for her to save herself. While they both were outside on the apron Maryse pushed them off. Beth Phoenix was thrown out on the other side. Right off the bat there was 1 or 2 eliminations that were quick that I didn't see...thats how fast paced that match was. BTW I believe Eve started off on commentary. If she didn't she must've came out during the commercial break, it happens a lot.

 

[Tech N9ne]

I agree with the mass here. Ripping WWE from a TNA perspective is just not a smart thing to do. Yeah, there wasn't a lot of wrestling. But things progressed along. TNA does have a lot of stalls and mysterious changes in their story lines. So technically TNA should take note, even on a below average RAW all around.

It may not have been the best RAW ever, but the benefits from what was done last night, will be taken advantage of later. The long term effect of last night's show is what will truly matter. To be honest, and I am not a TNA hater, TNA doesn't know what long term is. They change their mind at every twist and turn. They are truly redundant.

 

[givemetoro]

This weeks Raw just pissed me off...

As it was going on I had thoughts that I should have had a stop watch to time how much wrestling there really was.

And I'm not a fan of wrestling purest shows, but this weeks Raw was a complete slap in the face.

WWE is a giant, huge, almost monopoly like company, that does whatever it wants whenever it wants... so my question? (Pardon my french)

WHY THE FUCK ARE THE JUST BUILDING WRESTLEMANIA NOW?!!

What happened to the Road to WrestleMania?! Edge and ADR should have been in the works (more so then it is) Cena and Miz had 3 months... Punk and Orton had 3 months... these could have all been EPIC feuds that had their final big blow out at WM, but WWE dropped the ball...

(Pardon my French again)

WWE ROYALLY FUCKED UP!

Now they're in panic mode bringing in The Rock and talks about Bieber... (Anything to get that elusive "Casual Fan") the "Road to Wrestlemania" doesn't mean anything anymore apparently.

Dear, WWE: Build your fucking fueds up for 3 months, make you're fan base debate over who's going to win the anticipated matches and you will get your buyrates.

Don't piss away 3 months and in the last "37" days try to make shit make sense...

Sheamus's squash against HHH? Completely pathetic... It'd be like this summer Cena is feuding with Barrett and Nexus but drops it because Orton uses the same baby oil as him and they start a program...

I've gone on way longer then I even thought, but this last weeks Raw was completely pathetic and I felt pity for the paying fans that sat their... staring at the Titantron all night long...

 

[deforty]

RAW has Been sucking horribly.

OK let me get this......Wrestlemania is coming up Vince got his first numbers for the PPV ticket sales not sold out yet not looking good......Light Bulb....Lets bring in the Rock tickets will sell quicly now.

Rock on Raw....shits all over current product and current FACE of company Cena and makes miz look like coles rat face...

Cena makes a good return to attitude thuganomics and kills the Rock...

This weeks show sucked....Did we really need to see HBK in video we will see 5000 times before mania no. could have had one more match. The Rock's response I fell asleep until the end of it..why it sucked like cole sucking miz's balls....not inspiring at all and Cena will probably own him next monday and make him look bad.

Next weeks show does not look any better. We get stone cold will deffinately be censored every 2 seconds he will take up at least 45 minutes and what the hell does he do to advance the storylines?????????? nothing its just to get people to tune in.

CAN someone please tell me how this helps WWE in the long run??????

IF it was TNA everyone of you would have 3000 posts on here about how it sucked.

did i like TNA using the undertaker return for sting...no but what it did was play off of the IWC that said "STing is going to WWE not doubt about it, there is nothing you can say that will change my mind.....Its Sting" Well its not. they used the hype created by WWE and the IWC to make yes the 9000th return of STing but who cares it looked good it was good timing on their part it believe to use it. Now had it been September and they tried that bullshit then horrible timing.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

This weeks Raw just pissed me off...

As it was going on I had thoughts that I should have had a stop watch to time how much wrestling there really was.

And I'm not a fan of wrestling purest shows, but this weeks Raw was a complete slap in the face.

WWE is a giant, huge, almost monopoly like company, that does whatever it wants whenever it wants... so my question? (Pardon my french)

WHY THE FUCK ARE THE JUST BUILDING WRESTLEMANIA NOW?!!

What happened to the Road to WrestleMania?! Edge and ADR should have been in the works (more so then it is) Cena and Miz had 3 months... Punk and Orton had 3 months... these could have all been EPIC feuds that had their final big blow out at WM, but WWE dropped the ball...

(Pardon my French again)

WWE ROYALLY FUCKED UP!

Now they're in panic mode bringing in The Rock and talks about Bieber... (Anything to get that elusive "Casual Fan") the "Road to Wrestlemania" doesn't mean anything anymore apparently.

Dear, WWE: Build your fucking fueds up for 3 months, make you're fan base debate over who's going to win the anticipated matches and you will get your buyrates.

Don't piss away 3 months and in the last "37" days try to make shit make sense...

Sheamus's squash against HHH? Completely pathetic... It'd be like this summer Cena is feuding with Barrett and Nexus but drops it because Orton uses the same baby oil as him and they start a program...

I've gone on way longer then I even thought, but this last weeks Raw was completely pathetic and I felt pity for the paying fans that sat their... staring at the Titantron all night long...

RAW has Been sucking horribly.

OK let me get this......Wrestlemania is coming up Vince got his first numbers for the PPV ticket sales not sold out yet not looking good......Light Bulb....Lets bring in the Rock tickets will sell quicly now.

Rock on Raw....shits all over current product and current FACE of company Cena and makes miz look like coles rat face...

Cena makes a good return to attitude thuganomics and kills the Rock...

This weeks show sucked....Did we really need to see HBK in video we will see 5000 times before mania no. could have had one more match. The Rock's response I fell asleep until the end of it..why it sucked like cole sucking miz's balls....not inspiring at all and Cena will probably own him next monday and make him look bad.

Next weeks show does not look any better. We get stone cold will deffinately be censored every 2 seconds he will take up at least 45 minutes and what the hell does he do to advance the storylines?????????? nothing its just to get people to tune in.

CAN someone please tell me how this helps WWE in the long run??????

IF it was TNA everyone of you would have 3000 posts on here about how it sucked.

did i like TNA using the undertaker return for sting...no but what it did was play off of the IWC that said "STing is going to WWE not doubt about it, there is nothing you can say that will change my mind.....Its Sting" Well its not. they used the hype created by WWE and the IWC to make yes the 9000th return of STing but who cares it looked good it was good timing on their part it believe to use it. Now had it been September and they tried that bullshit then horrible timing.

Let's take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

Your major matches at Wrestlemania 26 were HBK/Taker, Cena/Batista and Edge/Jericho. HBK/Taker really started being built when HBK cost Taker the championship at the Elimination Chamber. Same thing happened with Cena/Batista and Edge/Jericho.

Wrestlemania 25 - HHH/Orton, Cena/Show/Ege, and Undertaker/Edge. When were these matches built? Right around Elimination Chamber. You see a trend here, genius?

I can go back for the last ten Wrestlemanias and point out that the big matches usually start being built after the Royal Rumble. You can research the rest if you want your case to be even more wrong.

Let's look at the main event matches. Edge/Del Rio has been building up ever since Del Rio won the Rumble. Same goes for Orton and Punk when Punk interfered in the Miz vs. Orton match. There's usually a championship match at No Way Out/Elimination Chamber and that hasn't hurt Wrestlemania before. There are usually four weeks between PPV's which gives little time to build a feud. There are six weeks between EC and Wrestlemania which gives six episodes of Raw and Smackdown to build up feuds which is certainly enough time even with feuds being built after the Rumble.

And for the record, Sheamus did not squashed by HHH and is not being buried and anyone with a brain would know that.

 

[deforty]

Let's take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

Your major matches at Wrestlemania 26 were HBK/Taker, Cena/Batista and Edge/Jericho. HBK/Taker really started being built when HBK cost Taker the championship at the Elimination Chamber. Same thing happened with Cena/Batista and Edge/Jericho.

Wrestlemania 25 - HHH/Orton, Cena/Show/Ege, and Undertaker/Edge. When were these matches built? Right around Elimination Chamber. You see a trend here, genius?

I can go back for the last ten Wrestlemanias and point out that the big matches usually start being built after the Royal Rumble. You can research the rest if you want your case to be even more wrong.

Let's look at the main event matches. Edge/Del Rio has been building up ever since Del Rio won the Rumble. Same goes for Orton and Punk when Punk interfered in the Miz vs. Orton match. There's usually a championship match at No Way Out/Elimination Chamber and that hasn't hurt Wrestlemania before. There are usually four weeks between PPV's which gives little time to build a feud. There are six weeks between EC and Wrestlemania which gives six episodes of Raw and Smackdown to build up feuds which is certainly enough time even with feuds being built after the Rumble.

And for the record, Sheamus did not squashed by HHH and is not being buried and anyone with a brain would know that.

you are correct but the last Wrestlemania's did not have to bring in former Stars to get people to buy them. I agree with the build and have no problem with them. It's just like Vince woke up after Chamber and said we have no real draw for this years Mania and decided to bring inthe Rock....Granted we had Bret back last year and they made a huge deal about it. I understand that the Rock isn't even getting into the HOF this year so why so much attention about it. They signed Bret to a long tem contract he was on and off the show for a long time. It makes sense plus the HBK/Taker 2 was worth the price.

If you take Rock off the card as host and a potential threat to Cena would you want to buy Mania? Was there enough built around Mania to make you want to purchase the PPV before the Rock was announced?

 

[stasheroo]

And for the record, Sheamus did not squashed by HHH and is not being buried and anyone with a brain would know that.

Son-in-law, is that you?

The only people who think that 'burial' was OK are HHH himself (he's been doing it for years) and his apologists.

There was absolutely no good reason for the son-in-law to destroy a young talent that the company can build with for future like he did.

It was just his way of thumbing his 14 lb nose at people who were critical of the fact that the WWE completely dropped their previous storyline to give us this Wrestlemania Rewind.

 

[nwocongo]

I've always bitched about Raw not having enough wrestling, so I'm not really a hypocrit but whatever. The Rock's promo was about 10 minutes too long,that was one of the worst promos I've seen from him(still better than Cena or the Miz), he saved it by calling Cena a yabba dabba bitch, but he didn't really have the crowd in the palm of his hand like before, probably since he wasn't there in person, but still not a great reaction. The Triple H thing was pretty pointless as well, they could have at least had Sheamus and HHH exchange a few words first. Pretty weak Raw

 

[AngryCenaFan]

I am bumping this due to the fact we got a SECOND straight week with almost NO wrestling and not really any matches of value. Is wrestleMania going to be one giant promo fest?

 

[Kcirdor]

This is Wrestle Mania. They are selling a PPV. So far they sold plenty of buys with Stone Cold and the Rock.

 

[DanielJames]

Ok I want the hypocrites who rip TNA when they don't feature alot of wrestling to come here and bash WWE for what they put on last night.

We got THREE matches
A divas piss break
Orton vs Joe Hennig
Riley vs Cena

so where are you all at? I hope you're going to be fair and critique WWE since you pounce on TNA every chance you get

um christian had a match and there was an r-truth punk match.
but i was a little upset that there weren't and memorable matches on raw.
but the promos were good, its mania season theres gonna be alot of promos, good promos. you can't say that they weren't entertaining promos! especially scsa.
but tna gets bashed for having little match time, and usually bad promos i believe. i don't watch often but i did a few weeks ago and the hardy kennedy promos where they would cut to them walking backstage and talking shit about each other was stupid. it seemed like a reality show or something.

 

[tablekorner]

Personally I love both companies, but TNA over WWE for me. Mostly because more of my favourite CURRENT WRESTLING wrestlers are on TNA, but also because TNA's X Division and Tag Team Division. I love the agile wrestlers such as AJ, and the Athletic wrestlers such as MCMG, and Gen Me. TNA has fast passed action which is awesome.