TNA Bashing Hypocrites, Report for duty!(Raw Related)

[AngryCenaFan]

Ok I want the hypocrites who rip TNA when they don't feature alot of wrestling to come here and bash WWE for what they put on last night.

We got THREE matches
A divas piss break
Orton vs Joe Hennig
Riley vs Cena

so where are you all at? I hope you're going to be fair and critique WWE since you pounce on TNA every chance you get

 

[klunderbunker]

Overall Rating: D. Well some stuff was added to Mania, but this was a very boring show. FAR too little wrestling. Even another five minutes or so would have helped this but there was just nothing of note in the ring here. I get that they just had a big South American tour and are all spent but this was ridiculous. Cena not taking Miz seriously is getting old fast and I’m hoping the title doesn’t change at Mania. Weak show overall, but there were some decent parts.

This was definitely bad. Far better than Impact as this actually advanced some stuff, but still bad.

 

[ITALIAN NYC]

The whole point of tonight was to give the stars mic time to start the storylines for whats coming at Mania. Tonight was the starting point for the next 5 weeks. Im very happy they did this tonight cuz it gives you the most time to let a fued progress and grow. It wasnt about the wrestling tonight.

 

[Victor1111]

Listen man difference with WWE and TNA is when there isn't a lot of in ring action it's usually setting something up in the upcoming weeks (WWE)
Then there's the other show who usually talk nonsense less people hate in WWE because when they say things they deliver. TNA's big surprises are all on repeat mode

 

[AngryCenaFan]

The whole point of tonight was to give the stars mic time to start the storylines for whats coming at Mania. Tonight was the starting point for the next 5 weeks. Im very happy they did this tonight cuz it gives you the most time to let a fued progress and grow. It wasnt about the wrestling tonight.

I did not hate the show by any means, as was said...they are advancing storylines, but any time TNA has under 30 minutes, the internet crowd rips them to shreds

 

[My Couch Pulls Out But I Don't]

I really liked the show tonight. We got advancements in the matches set up for mania. We got what seemed like a very passionate promo from The Rock, Triple H explained why he is challenging The Undertaker and he got his revenge on Sheamus without having to have a match, we got the match set for Cole/Lawler. It is the road to Wrestlemania. You should expect a show like this. It also sets up the next 4-5 weeks.

During that time we are guaranteed Orton taking on Nexus, more promos between Rock and Cena, return of Austin (even if only for one night), Miz will be by himself, HHH/Taker mindgames, if they have MITB at WM27, we will have the qualifying matches for that.

Its going to be a good 4-5 weeks leading up to WM27, I for one, am stoked.

As for TNA, you can't even compare the two. While WWE is on the road to Wrestlemania, TNA is on the road to not sucking....not going so well. Be sure to tune in 3.3.11 so you can see the 3572nd return of Sting after a 4 month absence. Whereas if you tune(d) into RAW you would've or will see the returns of Rock, HHH, 'Taker, Austin, HBK (promo spot)...

 

[The Suplexer Perfecter]

It was adding to story lines. And this was the first time, in a long time, they had this little of wrestling. Plus Smackdown makes up for the wrestling.

How often on a consistent basis does TNA lack in the wrestling amount of time? There was a period when ECW on SyFy had more wrestling time than TNA.

 

[TCBT]

I think the show, while not perfect, was pretty damn successful in doing what it wanted to do.

1. It advanced the story between Cena and Miz - and continued teasing The Rock's involvement in the matter (which I think what the WWE is doing with him is sheer brilliance from a business-sensical point).
2. It advanced the storyline between CM Punk and Randy Orton.
3. It advanced the hyped match between Triple H and Undertaker.
4. It clearly advanced and defined the much-built storyline between The King and Cole.... and by the way, I know this match isn't anything to shout for, but c'mon, the WWE has done an amazing job building a match between two old announcers without looking ridiculous... gotta give them credit for that one.

Remember - WWE has 34 days to produce a PPV. We're all too accustomed to PPV builds for 3 weeks, and then move on to the next PPV. What the WWE is doing is best for WrestleMania, the fans, the WWE, and most importantly, business. I have no problems with RAW....

TNA on the other hand, well.... while they regularly film a two hour episode of the Jerry Springer show with more wrestling and less entertainment, they did create a great, original return promo for another wrestler who's returned about 3573 times... Oh, wait a second....

 

[TCBT]

I did not hate the show by any means, as was said...they are advancing storylines, but any time TNA has under 30 minutes, the internet crowd rips them to shreds

Don't mean to double post, but just read over the thread and missed this quote originally.

I agree with what you say wholeheartedly. I think we, as fans, need to stop looking at the amount of time spent on wrestling and more on whether we're entertained or not. Or whether or not the product being delivered is working.

I think the best thing to happen to TNA is the Sting return promo.... not because it was smart, but because the FANS have been the smart, vocal ones to say to whoever would hear that the promo was stupid.

I bet you anything Bischoff and Carter are going to defend the crap out of that promo, and I bet you anything that regardless of what they say, they aren't going to pull that crap again. TNA fans were too vocal. Not wrestling fans. TNA fans in particular. And that's the best thing that could happen to that company.

I hate bashing TNA. Because I want them to be successful. It's like that one friend we all have that for one reason or another keeps making stupid mistake after stupid mistake. You can't help but get mad and insult the poor guy, but at the same time you never give up hope. That's my relationship with TNA in a nutshell.

 

[Nate DaMac]

Here's the thing, even though Raw had an abysmal amount of actual wrestling tonight which yes, I wasn't happy with, they did the main thing that TNA absolutely always fails at; they actually garnered interest in the upcoming PPV. I'll accept one night like this with all of the things they got going on right now. Ultimately this will help to make Mania all that much better in the end.

TNA fucking sucks at everything.

 

[mrbooker]

Be sure to tune in 3.3.11 so you can see the 3572nd return of Sting after a 4 month absence. Whereas if you tune(d) into RAW you would've or will see the returns of Rock, HHH, 'Taker, Austin, HBK (promo spot)...

I love when people make asses out of themselves, i bet this guy would have marked out hardcore if sting returned in a WWE ring face to face with taker though.

Im a huge fan of WRESTLING not a brand or a certain company. I have tickets for Wrestlemania so WWE programming is on my tv set whenever its broadcasted BUT you are sitting here knocking sting.... i much rather see sting return because as electrifying as the rock, as great as these promos are, he is NOT going to wrestle, as much as I will mark out for austin he is NOT going to wrestle, HBK my favorite wrestler of all time NOT going to wrestle, I would not be surprised if I see HHH and taker have maybe 1 warm up much b4 mania, Sting is coming back and he is going to WRESTLE.

Their is nothing wrong with a 4 minute squash match and a promo afterwards, there was no need for a long dragged out promo with cena and miz.


As electric as the rock was he is not wrestling!!! if he was having a match with cena and cut that promo i would be all over this forum bringing up other great promos that built faceoffs to epic heights but he is not he is the guest host. So WWE is making all this build for what a 3 minute spot at mania where maybe cena and rock are face to face and the rock says just bring, and cena says you cant see me and the one guy hits his finisher.

HHH promo was very understandable and was needed since no words were exchanged in the face off.

HBK was as well as im sure its something the wants wanted the man is THE legend of the WWE

To be honest if i would have bought tickets i would be pissed off that i say orton and cena against a couple NXT alum

But that does not excuse TNA the name of your company is Total Nonstop Action you better show it or change the name of your damn company the sad part it with the exception of Del Rio, Edge, Rey, Wade and Kofi( taker has not wrestled yet) 80% of the TNA roster would have matches that are far more exciting then the ones we see on smackdown which is a wrestling heavy show.

 

[Alastor]

You forgot to mention Evan Bourne' return match. In all seriousness yeah it was not a good RAW in terms of matches. But as far as entertainment goes, it was alright. The promos were coming thick and fast, major storylines were being developed for Wrestlemania. The time required to build up all the storylines for Wrestlemania meant less time for in-ring matches. Heck, Bryan only manage to appear on screen for a beatdown while Morrison and Santino were MIA. All three were sacrificedto build up the matches for Wrestlemania.

I won't shit on WWE because the promos were not all the same. They did not use all out brawls for 15mins every time.

 

[FattysGoneWild]

Really bad tonight. To much talking and 2 MAJOR botches. Evan Bourne kicking at nothing but air to Sheamus. No pun intended. And the drop kick from Riley when Cena was suppose to follow through against the ropes.

 

[Blisken]

I've not had a chance to watch Raw yet seeing as its on in the middle of the night over here, but reading what you guys are saying and the results report on the main page I am not really pushed about seeing it.

3 matches, one of which is a Diva's battle Royal, Trips destroying Sheamus (are they giving him the Swagger treatment only to have him win MITB and cash in??), Cole vs Lawler with Swagger getting involved, sounds like must see TV.

What ever happened to the good old Monday night wrestling show?? I really miss that but I suppose I've become totally disheartened by what WWE is offering as a product these days and my appreciation for their product is rapidly disappearing, perhaps I'll watch this weeks Raw later on in the week when I have nothing better to be doing.

But having said all that TNA isn't all that much better, in fact its a shell of its former self, I appreciate they are trying to push ratings but what is wrong with promoting the X-Division, the Knockouts division, they've destroyed their Tag Division but could easily bring it back to life, but that's a discussion for another section I do believe.

 

[achromat666]

Was Raw great? No.

Did it make some of the mistakes that I accuse TNA of on a regular basis? Yes, they squashed Sheamus pretty readily by one of the guys that made him the name he became in HHH (the other being Cena). On top of that they continued to bury Daniel Bryan and the US title by having Miz completely trounce him as well.

I also agree with Notorious F.A.T. that there was a sorely lacking amount of wrestling.

But here's what they did right: They didn't overexpose the people they're banking on to make their biggest show work. Undertaker still hasn't said a word since his return, Rock has only been on Raw twice, and all the returning stars did their respective jobs in cutting their promos.

Sadly they did take two of the people in the youth movement and bury them but Sheamus has been in jobbing a lot of late and as I said they've been ignoring the mid card titles for a while.

Don't even get me started on the rushed women's bout.

It should be noted that if they stay with keeping Riley off the show and not with Miz at WM27, it will at least give him a chance to succeed or fail as a heel on his own. And I see that as a good thing.

They setup their main draws nicely and did continue to push interest for WM27, but I didn't like the show overall.

 

[Prince Punk]

No. 1 TNA Basher Reporting for Duty SIR! (Sorry in a great mood finally slept some normal hours!)

Go look at the Recap of Raw... Then read this lol..


So yeah Raw had a LOT of Promo work done tonight. There was no repeated offenders. You saw A LOT of people come in and out it was not Hulk Hogen 3-5 times in one night saying different things. It was good quality storytelling. WWE = Sports Entertainment (note: the Entertainment part) WWE while it's sad is no longer a "wrestling" company it's an Entertainment Company and it's wreslmania season! Needless to say there are going to be a few shows where it's a lot of mic time and very little wrestling for the huge investment of match payoffs at Mania! Of course this long drawn out storytelling style is really hard for the die hard TNA fan's to grasp..

Side note: I created a twitter just so that I could tell Dixie Carter how to fix her broken company after that 3/3/11 promo. Still awaiting a thank you.

 

[Gansher]

Honestly, RAW was great despite the lack of matches! There were too many unanswered questions after last week. RAW did what was needed to fill up most of the WrestleMania card, while also advancing the current storylines with Rock, Cena, Miz and HHH. Unlike TNA, RAW is watchable. I don't end up tuning off the show before the first 10 minute mark

 

[PowerHouse]

WWE can do shows like this for a reason and that is because they know how to move storylines along and for the most part keep them interesting. WWE is a storyline driven wrestling company if you want a pure wrestling company watch ROH or get some DVDs of the big 3 Japanese feds. TNA doesnt know how to move storylines forward their storylines are frayed and chaotic one minute 2 guys hate each other the next they are friends with no explanation what so ever. TNA should be a pure wrestling company percentage wise they have more good to great workers than WWE has but TNA wastes there talent by either keeping them off TV or making them get buried by ex WWE wrestlers who other than Angle and RVD (on occasion) are sub par in the ring. Anderson and Jeff Hardy are no where near 2 of the best guys TNA has in the ring they are the exact opposite actually, but they are consistantly in the Main Event going over guys they shouldnt being put above guys they have no business being above. Styles,Samoa Joe,Angle,Pope, Morgan,Williams,kazarian,Desmond Wolf,Hernandez any two of these guys would be better at the main event in a pure wrestling format or even in the format they are using cause they are great to watch in the ring.

 

[Stunner=RKO]

Lol tna fans are funny. I mean if triple H and taker was in tna, and if they were feuding, tna probably not have them say one word to each other the whole storyline. It's not the fact people like me hate and bash tna, which I do all the time cus well, it's sucks. But the fact that tna dies not time the wrestling/promo timing right. Hell they don't do anything right but let's just talk about this now. Tna needs to learn WHEN to plug the promos and/or WHEN to plug the wrestling. Yes raw didn't have any wrestling but I EXPECTED that. Everything I wanted to see/know got answered. Rock/cena.. Triple H and this feelings about taker and the wrestlemania match.. And they even plug a lil HHH/sheamus conflict to show that the WWE fans have an attention span of more than a day..cough cough tna.. Orton/punk feud intensified a bit I guess.. Miz looked pretty strong beating the shit outta Bryan.. And ofc gotta have a women's match in it somewhere. It's not spectacular RAW but it got SHIT DONE. These little things, the updates, fuel to the fire, power-struggle etc are the little things that make us the fans( if I can speak for th WWE fans) appreciate and praise wrestling. True there was hardly any wrestling ( but who doesn't love a pedigree through the table) but it had a POINT. it's as simple as that tna fans. Sometimes...no.. MOST of the times ur shit is just fucking POINTLESS. Example you say?

Sting & RVD(hate each other) vs Anderson & hardy(hate each other)... Was there a reason WHY they had to team up other than the fact "jus cus"? Did they brawl and raise hell? Is it even a punishment?

Immortal cutting promos after promos after promos... No I don't want to see old farts talking about a return of an older fart.. I want to see aj styles.. Beer money.. Machine guns.. Something under 50

Breaking up the dudleys.. Best tag team in the history.. Well one of them.. And you put em against each other.. Tna fans I don't know if u don't want to admit it... But this story line was a fail before it even lifted off.

"THE MOST UNEXPECTED TNA EVER...ALWAYS!!!".. There's something called pay previews.. Use it.. And a side note.. eerrrrr it's not that unexpected if you advertise it more than you advertise the featured stars.


Yes I bash tna.. Yes I think it's garbage.. Yes I rather not even read the spoilers. Yes hogan is a self righteous ass clown.. But do you think I WANT to hate it? What can I gain from that? What can us, the tna "haters" actually GAIN from hating it. The answer is NOTHING nor do we want to. I WANT to watch something other than the WWE. The more programs the better for us!!! So the fact that you can start a trend COMPARING once again tna to wwe or vice versa to show that tna is better( which is usually the case) shows you are just another one of those fans that are in complete denial of accepting the garbage tna feeds you. And if you still don't think tna is just recycle bin for the WWE, then I've wasted another 15 minutes of my time talking to a person who is forever stuck in the "Impact Zone."

 

[stasheroo]

Rip away at WWE for yet another lousy show!

They deserve it!

And rip away at them for once again ruining their young talent by having them continue to get destroyed by the same, boring, few, firmly entrenched in the company's top spots.

My only hope is that after this failure of a Wrestlemania is over, that the youth movement will proceed at an accelerated rate - if there's anything left of it!

 

[VinnieSunshine]

I am a WWE fan but also am a WRESTLING FAN. I want TNA to succeed just for the competition aspect of it all. But TNA is at a point right now where WCW was in its dying days.

RAW was amazing despite the little wrestling that it had...and THAT didn't bother me. As some other posters have said RAW and the WWE did what it needed to do. They needed an episode where they start and advance some storylines (in last nights case end one too) to lay the foundation for what WM will be.

Look who fans saw last night...HHH, Evan Bourne, a promo package from HBK, a taped promo from The Rock. My question is...WHO DOES TNA HAVE THAT THEY CAN BRING BACK THAT WOULD BE AS EXCITING?

Sting is coming back...great! Never was a fan of him and his return alone will not make me watch TNA on a weekly basis.

You want to talk about bashing the WWE? I USED TO back when storylines sucked and watching RAW made me cringe...which is what TNA is doing right now. There is NOTHING in TNA right now that catches my attention.

I tried to watch TNA when the first "THEY" storyline happened...lost interest. I tried to watch during the second "THEY" storyline...lost interest. I tried to become a fan of TNA and watch when they first came on TV...

**NEWS FLASH** TNA HAS NOT CHANGED THE WAY THEY RUN AS A COMPANY! THEY HAVE NOT CHANGED RUNNING CRAPPY STORIES! THEY HAVE A MAN THAT KILLED WCW HELP RUNNING THE COMPANY!

People Bash WWE for the way they treated some wrestlers...guys like Mr. Kennedy (or Anderson or asshole or whatever name he goes by now) had a chance for a push and blew it with the wellness policy. WWE never saw anything from him after that. Jeff "I like drugs" Hardy...not as great and entertaining as he once was. WWE tried to push him as a credible champion...didn't work. TNA uses (with the exception of Kurt Angle) WWE dropouts and drug addicts to capitalize on their fame. But ONE problem with Scott Hall and they want nothing to do with him.

WWE builds stars...they dont capitalize on what they already have. Guys like Evan Bourne, Daniel Bryan, CM Punk were indy guys. WWE built them to what THEY wanted. They repackage guys and try to get them over with the fans. Sometimes it works and other times it doesn't. Take Nexus for example...most of them would've been jobbers or low mid-card guys. WWE took them and crafted this idea and look where they are.

Ive gone off on a tangent and Ill get off my soapbox. But Im tired of TNA slappys trying to bash WWE for what it is. Look at TNA and see the crap that they produce. So WWE had an off-night. Its allowed. TNA has them EVERY NIGHT. One night like this for WWE and some people jump all over WWE. STOP TRYING TO COMPARE THE COMPANIES. You TNA slappys need to stop sucking Dixie Carter's ass and start doing something. If TNAs ratings fall...MAYBE they will make some changes. WWE does that all the time. Its how Vince made WWE into the icon it is today.

 

[WolfNyte]

ok boys and girls its March once more well technically last nights raw was the first raw of March since today is March first.

Historically the first RAW of March is always set up Raw for WrestleMania in fact smackdown will probably be alot of Promos again. You have to remember in 30 Days now the BIGGEST EXTRAVAGANZA of Wrestling is going to happen once more. The Super Bowl, The World Series and the Datona 500 of Wrestling.

So now they are starting to set it all up hence the promos to get the buy's for WM. This month is known as Promo Month its been this way for years how easy people forget March = Promo Month for WM.

So to the OP let me ask you this , and anyone else who wants to chime in, What does TNA do to draw people into their biggest PPV of the year. Thats right nothing and they get miniscule buys. WWF/E does Promos and builds for their biggest and look back at the numbers over the years for WM its astronomical.

So yes if you hate promos...I love a good promo...like the days of Classy Freddy Blassie and The Brain, The Rock, Steve Austin, Jericho, hell even Demolition, The Road Warriors etc.

Then yes last absolutely night sucked balls if you are bored by Promos but did you see the live audience bored....ummm no. But get used to it this Month its all about WM.

But face facts TNGay under utilizes its best stars AJ,MCMG,BM and does cheep rips offs of the WWE...jay Macho Man randy savage Lethal, 3-3-11, Shark Boy austin. They suck cause they are far from orrigonal what made ECW and what makes WWF/E and ROH GREAT...orrigonality. Something TNGay cannot understand or do.

 

[ABMorales787]

Oh, look at that. The corpse mocks the dead guy. Gotta love hypocrisy. I don't give a shit which company is it, the marquee still reads "wrestling". This was almost as bad as the post 10/10/10 episode of TNA that had a 40 minute promo. They set up matches for Wrestlemania. Yay! Like they didn't have time for that or something. They only have 6 fucking weeks with 4 weeks of foreshadowing with 2 damn programs a week.

There's a pretty damn big difference between TNA and WWE's airtime management. And I think it's pretty damn obvious. WWE has 4 TV programs a week. TNA one has 1. I get Raw's the entertainment show, but ya know, I find wrestling to be entertainment too. I know Raw tends to be more promo filled than Smackdown. But I think, I'm not sure but I do think, they may have gone a weeee, not much, but a wee too damn strong with the promos. I have the same issues when guys like Matt Morgan and RVD aren't in an Impact broadcast. Where was John Morrison? Where were Santino and Kozlov? Where was Daniel Bryan's opponent? What the hell was the point of flatlining Bryan? Why was the Diva Battle Royal half over during a damn commercial break? Do I like it when TNA does it? Hell no!! Do I like it when Raw does it? No! And in their case, it's pretty hard to excuse them given all the time in the world they have to announce matches and build promos. I get that Wrestlemania has to be set, but we don't need to be showered with 4 matches announced in just one show.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

It's true that the wrestling content on Raw last night was pretty abysmal. In all honesty, last night's Raw probably had the weakest wrestling the show has had since late 2009. Yeah, it was disappointing and I do hope that things be more back to normal next week.

Every so often, and this is true with TNA as well, the WWE has a show with absolute focus on promos and the progression of storyline, feud and match build ups for an upcoming ppv. WrestleMania is the biggest wrestling event of the year and Vince wants to garner as much overall interest as he can. Last night's show focused a lot on the situation with The Rock, John Cena & The Miz; it also focused a lot on the Triple H/Undertaker match and spent a good portion on building up Cole vs. Lawler & Punk vs. Orton. There's still over a month left before WrestleMania and there's still a lot left to do in terms of rounding out the card and building up those matches. They had a lot to do on Raw last night in terms of more WM build up, so much that they had to cut the WWE Hall of Fame sequence.

Like any fan, I do wish that there would've been more wrestling on Raw last night but let's not try to make it seem that last night was the usual M.O. for Raw when it comes to wrestling content. Last night was a small space in an overall much bigger picture, which is something that the WWE does focus on rather than immediate and momentary gratification as TNA usually does, or at least attempts to do.

 

[VinnieSunshine]

Where was Daniel Bryan's opponent? What the hell was the point of flatlining Bryan? Why was the Diva Battle Royal half over during a damn commercial break?

First off there was no opponent for Bryan. The point of that was to draw more heat on Miz while at the same time NOT burying Bryan too. These two have history, its Bryan who won the US title from Miz. Last week or the week before they had a GREAT match. Bryan will get a match a WM...they will build that in the weeks to come.

As for the Divas...are you really that upset that the Divas battle royal was half over during a commercial? From what I saw, it was half over BEFORE the commercial. All the good wrestlers were out in favor of the lesser "twin magic" Bella twins. I can pretty much guarantee they (or one) will win the title...only for Awesome Kong to come out the next night and challenge and destroy both of them.