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Sheamus won the battle royal and gets a title match, what are they thinking? I would expect some swerve during this contract signing. We will see.
TLC PPV- John Cena vs. Sheamus - Tables Match- WWE Championship
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Sheamus won the battle royal and gets a title match, what are they thinking? I would expect some swerve during this contract signing. We will see.
Looks like a way to have Sheamus get a rub by facing Cena in a PPV, lose the match, but still not have been pinned/submit.
I think it's stupid and they'd have been better off having Ted DiBiase win the battle royal and start a split from Legacy, but at least they can see what they have with Sheamus in a fued with Cena for a few weeks.
I think it's stupid and they'd have been better off having Ted DiBiase win the battle royal and start a split from Legacy, but at least they can see what they have with Sheamus in a fued with Cena for a few weeks.
I for one am happy with shaemus winning the battle royal. He was one of my favorites on ecw and also enjoyable when he came to raw. I personally would like nothing more then to see him win the title in two weeks in the table match since I feel he has what he takes to be a champion and give us something new instead of the same five people fighting for the title at each ppv.
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Well, I loved the thought of the Breakthrough Battle Royal. And I thought that we'd be getting Orton shoved down out throats, again. So to see Sheamus win was, to me, quite surprising. Now, on to the real point...is Sheamus the right guy to be getting the rub from Cena?
Some would argue Kofi ought to have gotten the spot, but he's already getting the rub from Orton. I think we'll see Kofi win Money in the Bank at 'Mania and go on to become a WWE/World Heavyweight Champion sometime in the middle of next year. So I'm cool with him not winning.
I think not having a face win was good. We just had a face vs. face vs. face Triple Threat. I don't think they could have pulled off another fave vs. face anything without John turning (unintentionally) heel.
Now...Sheamus as a #1 Contender...I think he and Cena can put on a good match; perhaps even great. Sheamus has no real mic skill at this point (due mostly to a lack of mic time...and the heavy Irish accent). However, I think having Sheamus win would be a mistake. Interesting swerve, but a mistake.
I think the entire point of this match is to try and show that Vince is moving up midcard talent, and to lock Cena in as a face. Sheamus is a serious heel, and will, I expect, continue his rather vicious assaults during the next few weeks. By pairing John with someone who is easily hated, perhaps Vince is trying to cement Cena as a face heading into 2010?
Some would argue Kofi ought to have gotten the spot, but he's already getting the rub from Orton. I think we'll see Kofi win Money in the Bank at 'Mania and go on to become a WWE/World Heavyweight Champion sometime in the middle of next year. So I'm cool with him not winning.
I think not having a face win was good. We just had a face vs. face vs. face Triple Threat. I don't think they could have pulled off another fave vs. face anything without John turning (unintentionally) heel.
Now...Sheamus as a #1 Contender...I think he and Cena can put on a good match; perhaps even great. Sheamus has no real mic skill at this point (due mostly to a lack of mic time...and the heavy Irish accent). However, I think having Sheamus win would be a mistake. Interesting swerve, but a mistake.
I think the entire point of this match is to try and show that Vince is moving up midcard talent, and to lock Cena in as a face. Sheamus is a serious heel, and will, I expect, continue his rather vicious assaults during the next few weeks. By pairing John with someone who is easily hated, perhaps Vince is trying to cement Cena as a face heading into 2010?
Yes its good to see a mid-carder in a main event. But sheamus, "HELL NO" Who has this guy beatin? no one serious, Cena is gonna run through this guy like a hot knife cutting butter. Yes this is gonna pay off for sheamus in a long run. But i thought wwe could have done better atleast add somebody else into this title picture.
mral82
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this sheamus push reminds me of the push they gave the masterpiece back in 2005. Look at masters now. Sheamus will prob end like The Masterpiece that's just my opinion. I Think it wa a bad idea. They shoulda let R-Truth win the battle Royal so Batista would kick his Arse and Taker would make the save.
I actually agree with WWE on this one. Sheamus is a mega heel right now. This push can only elevate him. Granted, he will most likely lose to super-cena but still, it gives him some credibility. This would only have hurt Morrison, Miz, Swagger, or Kofi. They would have lost all momentum and been buried in a 1 month feud with Cena. This would have hurt any of their careers, they're all already established. Sheamus is being built now. It was an amazing concept, and EXACTLY what we ALWAYS as for on these forums. A mid card tournament, or battle royal, to crown a new face in the title picture. We got it, but still aren't happy! 
I kant believe taht people are complaining about this......the reason i am saying this is becuase i am not a huge fan of Shaemus winning this but FINALLY someone else got a push.
I dont know about any of you but in my opinion this is just a huge step in the right direction and it actually gives me hope for the future of WWE instead of sitting back and watching WCW all over again.
Lets look at this from a good angle and see it as Vince finally saying hey HHH and HBK time for you to move over and show that others can do something.
Oh an btw did anyone see ECW tonight, i mean it was suppose to be tri-branded and in my opinion Christian is the one who should of won the battle royal but oh well i guess he is a "world champion" um NOT
I dont know about any of you but in my opinion this is just a huge step in the right direction and it actually gives me hope for the future of WWE instead of sitting back and watching WCW all over again.
Lets look at this from a good angle and see it as Vince finally saying hey HHH and HBK time for you to move over and show that others can do something.
Oh an btw did anyone see ECW tonight, i mean it was suppose to be tri-branded and in my opinion Christian is the one who should of won the battle royal but oh well i guess he is a "world champion" um NOT
I'm going to be honest.
The people who have been wanting a chance, remotely something different have finally been given that vital opportunity. The people who still aren't happy with Shamus' victory are quite plain and simply, Hypocrites. I personally think it's an interesting move. Like someone above, I would have much loved to see either Cody Rhodes or Ted Debiase win that battle royale but the mere idea of someone who has never held a World championship before is almost as great as the intial idea itself.
In terms of the match, Well, It's not too hard to say what's going to happen. John Cena retaining is my own personal prediction. A good move nonth the less.
The people who have been wanting a chance, remotely something different have finally been given that vital opportunity. The people who still aren't happy with Shamus' victory are quite plain and simply, Hypocrites. I personally think it's an interesting move. Like someone above, I would have much loved to see either Cody Rhodes or Ted Debiase win that battle royale but the mere idea of someone who has never held a World championship before is almost as great as the intial idea itself.
In terms of the match, Well, It's not too hard to say what's going to happen. John Cena retaining is my own personal prediction. A good move nonth the less.
SavageTaker
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Like I said in the Sheamus New Number 1 Contender thread, I will not have high expectations for this match. I really do not find Sheamus entertaining so I don’t see why I should have high expectations.
Also, I’m actually kind of looking forward to the match. I want to see if Sheamus might be able to change my mind about him. Like I said, I don’t find him entertaining so we’ll see if he’s able to have a solid match with Cena.
As far as whom I think is going to win the match, it’s obviously Cena. There’s no reason to think Sheamus is going to win here at all.
Also, I’m actually kind of looking forward to the match. I want to see if Sheamus might be able to change my mind about him. Like I said, I don’t find him entertaining so we’ll see if he’s able to have a solid match with Cena.
As far as whom I think is going to win the match, it’s obviously Cena. There’s no reason to think Sheamus is going to win here at all.
I don't see the point with him being the number one contender. How big of a mistake was it? Listen to the end of the show, you can here one person throughout the last 15 seconds, and the whole attack on cena, maybe 20 people showing any reaction. No one believes him to be worthy, and he isn't he hasn't beaten anyone. Hasn't worked with anyone. Only reason he's there is good ol' pal HHH. It's just another showing that HHH's pals get their spots, and daddy Vince will shove anyone down our throats he seems fit, even if they get NO CROWD REACTION AT ALL!!!
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Sheamus winning this makes no sense. There are several guys in the locker room ahead of him. I wonder how they are feeling right about now.
I dont understand why everyone is so high on Dibiase. The guy hasnt done anything yet. First you must win a few titles before you get a world title push. Although it would make more sense with Dibiase winning this battle royale tonight with this angle. You could have the two Marines going at it at TLC. That's a better match and storyline than Sheamus. Even with that, there are so many guys more deserving to win than Sheamus and Dibiase. Swagger would have been a better fit against Cena. Even MVP would have been a better match. These guys have actually proved themselves and held some sort of gold in the past.
The Body was great in the booth tonight. He's the John Madden of wrestling. Nobody better than him in the booth. McMahon showed some rust, but Jesse carried him through it all. Vince should just pony up the dough and sign Jesse to do the color on RAW fulltime. He made the rather boring main event seem interesting and exciting.
I dont understand why everyone is so high on Dibiase. The guy hasnt done anything yet. First you must win a few titles before you get a world title push. Although it would make more sense with Dibiase winning this battle royale tonight with this angle. You could have the two Marines going at it at TLC. That's a better match and storyline than Sheamus. Even with that, there are so many guys more deserving to win than Sheamus and Dibiase. Swagger would have been a better fit against Cena. Even MVP would have been a better match. These guys have actually proved themselves and held some sort of gold in the past.
The Body was great in the booth tonight. He's the John Madden of wrestling. Nobody better than him in the booth. McMahon showed some rust, but Jesse carried him through it all. Vince should just pony up the dough and sign Jesse to do the color on RAW fulltime. He made the rather boring main event seem interesting and exciting.
it's nice to see them pusing young talent, but THEY PUSHED THE WRONG TALENT!!!!!!! there are tons of more guys deserving of the match, but not sheamus. I knew he would win after Orton was eliminated. I think HHH is behind his push, because of his DAMN endorsement of him.
> the actual match,
> who you think will win- Cena (if sheamus wins he better not screw up)
> how vicious do you think the match will be- Table matches usually aren't that good when they're one-on-one (especially w/ this pg stuff)
> do you see any type of interference going on from anyone- nope
> why do you think your prediction is going to win the match- Its too soon for sheamus
> Etc.- Kofi should have the battle royal (yet another ball dropped)
> the actual match,
> who you think will win- Cena (if sheamus wins he better not screw up)
> how vicious do you think the match will be- Table matches usually aren't that good when they're one-on-one (especially w/ this pg stuff)
> do you see any type of interference going on from anyone- nope
> why do you think your prediction is going to win the match- Its too soon for sheamus
> Etc.- Kofi should have the battle royal (yet another ball dropped)
you guys are wild....OF COURSE SHEAMUS is going to win...Makes no sense hardly, but of course he will. A tables match, and with Sheamus being all brutal, it will not take mutch to put Cena out like that. I mean, if Sheamus loses, then all the hype of him will lose much momentum, most likely, But, if Sheamus wins, then you have someoen automatically Upper Card! Now do I agree with this, HECK NO...I was upset and dissappointed with that one...KOFI all the way, but I can understand why they did not have KOFI, since he is in it with Orton right now. But I don't care what they say, and ADMIN, please don't send me another email, it's getting old, considering my post have been related, and now I'm feeling like I'm walking on egg shells here. With that being said,
I STILL WANT SHAWN MICHAELS TO WIN THE WWE TITLE before he retires, and I think everyone else does too....NOT NO SHEAMUS CRAP right now. Sheamus has not even wrestled anyone except for Finley, WHAT KIND OF CRAP IS THAT...Heck even GOLDBERG had like 100 + matches before fighting for the World Title! HELLO!!!!!!!!!!
I STILL WANT SHAWN MICHAELS TO WIN THE WWE TITLE before he retires, and I think everyone else does too....NOT NO SHEAMUS CRAP right now. Sheamus has not even wrestled anyone except for Finley, WHAT KIND OF CRAP IS THAT...Heck even GOLDBERG had like 100 + matches before fighting for the World Title! HELLO!!!!!!!!!!
I agree that the same people are holding the titles nowadays because the young guys need some more time to get pushed. But Sheamus is definatley not the first person I'd choose to fight Cena. Sheamus is not even a year in the company, he has never won a title, been to barely any PPVs and has been competing mostly against jobbers lately. It might be an entertaining match but we all know it is definatley not his time.
Although i think Sheamus will put on a good match to show that one day he will be ready to hang with the main-eventers.
Maybe since the WWE are running short of contenders for the WWE title, they're going to have an angle where Cena is taking on all the mid-carders to push them. After a few wins it could lead to him starting to act cocky that hes been beating them all the time and eventually turn heel. Which is where, hopefully, ted Dibiase or maybe Cody Rhodes could beat Cena for the title.
Although i think Sheamus will put on a good match to show that one day he will be ready to hang with the main-eventers.
Maybe since the WWE are running short of contenders for the WWE title, they're going to have an angle where Cena is taking on all the mid-carders to push them. After a few wins it could lead to him starting to act cocky that hes been beating them all the time and eventually turn heel. Which is where, hopefully, ted Dibiase or maybe Cody Rhodes could beat Cena for the title.
WTF, that is what I thought when I found out he was number one contender, I did not expect him to win the battle royal.
Even though I believe it was the wrong choice at least it shows Vince is pushing younger talent shame its Sheamus.
The match itself I think could be pretty brutal as Cena is a good brawler and Sheamus is supposed to be tough so I could see Cena taking some sick shots then getting an F-U through a table. I do not expect to see Sheamus winning, as he doesn't deserve is seeing as he has only been with the company for a while and he's no Brock Lesnar, but alas' it is nice to see some new faces in the main event.
Even though I believe it was the wrong choice at least it shows Vince is pushing younger talent shame its Sheamus.
The match itself I think could be pretty brutal as Cena is a good brawler and Sheamus is supposed to be tough so I could see Cena taking some sick shots then getting an F-U through a table. I do not expect to see Sheamus winning, as he doesn't deserve is seeing as he has only been with the company for a while and he's no Brock Lesnar, but alas' it is nice to see some new faces in the main event.
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WWE wants to push the new talent.... but isnt that what ECW is for?? isnt that the place they devolop their new TV talent and they're paying Christian the big bucks to push the new guys while he takes a break before he goes for the big gold and (hopefully) teams back up with Edge?...
RAW is for the big boys. and SMACKDOWN is where the Main eventers take time off. i mean they arnt even live. but still.... Sheamus is horrible... his accent sucks.... and his wrestling sucks... he is like a cheap version of finlay when he was younger...
RAW is for the big boys. and SMACKDOWN is where the Main eventers take time off. i mean they arnt even live. but still.... Sheamus is horrible... his accent sucks.... and his wrestling sucks... he is like a cheap version of finlay when he was younger...
shooter_mcgavin
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WWE needs to develop new stars. Sheamus looked decent when I saw him. However, it would have been preferable if they had The Miz take the spot. Nothing against Sheamus but The Miz has really proven himself this year and deserves the rub more than any midcard talent on RAW right now.
I doubt Sheamus will win. Several reasons why I don't think it will happen. One is because he's very untested. We've seen him beat up Jaime Noble, and Lawler. Not a credible face there. Two, he may be the next Kozlov. For those reasons I doubt he'll win.
However, bravo WWE. Raw needs a new top heel. Right now they have Jerisho and Orton as the only legit heels. If Sheamus can have a strong showing here at TLC, it can certainly keep Cena occupied for what could be a match with Taker at Mania. However we're getting ahead of ourselves.
Cena is a steady hand. He will very seldomly put on a bad match, and will put on a great match every once and a while. I loved his matches with Umaga and I see this match coming up at TLC a lot like those Umaga matches.
Plus we'll also get a chance to see what Sheamus can do. Again, I don't think he will or should win. Not yet.
On a side note, when was it that we last saw a relevant Tables match? I love this kind of match and I think that it will really suit Cena's style. I expect a very sick table spot at the end too.
However, bravo WWE. Raw needs a new top heel. Right now they have Jerisho and Orton as the only legit heels. If Sheamus can have a strong showing here at TLC, it can certainly keep Cena occupied for what could be a match with Taker at Mania. However we're getting ahead of ourselves.
Cena is a steady hand. He will very seldomly put on a bad match, and will put on a great match every once and a while. I loved his matches with Umaga and I see this match coming up at TLC a lot like those Umaga matches.
Plus we'll also get a chance to see what Sheamus can do. Again, I don't think he will or should win. Not yet.
On a side note, when was it that we last saw a relevant Tables match? I love this kind of match and I think that it will really suit Cena's style. I expect a very sick table spot at the end too.
I actually think we may see a major swerve, and they might actually put the belt on Sheamus to test the waters with him. think about when they put the belt on Khali, did he deserve it, and was it even expected? no, he wasn't even near the title picture, and they decided to give him the belt. Plus, apparently, HHH has high hopes for Sheamus, and Sheamus does alot of backstage stuff, and is always willing to come in and train, at least i read somewhere. I do think it is too soon, and they should use this match to put Sheamus over and keep this fued going. I do like Sheamus though, he seems like a bright future star.
I also believe that Sheamus has a great chance at taking the title in this match. Like it was stated before, he can win this match without pinning or submitting Cena. And if HHH is so high on Sheamus, we all know that his influence will kick in at some point and put the strap on him. This can keep Cena Involved with him through the Royal Rumble, set up Cena losing at the Rumble as well, only to win the EC and go after The Undertaker's title at WM. I also see Sheamus dropping the title at the EC PPV as we cant have him headlining WM yet.
Are we going to have to see the "You Can't See Me" in a tables match? I guess so. I would like to assume it'll be a good match, although I really I have no idea how good or how bad this match will be. Sheamus hasn't shown me enough in the ring for me to give him enough credit to pull off a main event caliber match, however this is Cena and that guy can have a great match with any fucking body.
Now we can all say we "know" Cena will win the match, but wouldn't it be a great swerve for us all if they put the belt on Sheamus? It would light the IWC on fire and every message board would shut down because there would be so much internet volume. For that reason alone I want Sheamus to win
Let's see how they build this over the next 3 weeks. I would hope that Cena is intense in all of his promos and doesn't try to be funny. Its very corny.
Now we can all say we "know" Cena will win the match, but wouldn't it be a great swerve for us all if they put the belt on Sheamus? It would light the IWC on fire and every message board would shut down because there would be so much internet volume. For that reason alone I want Sheamus to win
Let's see how they build this over the next 3 weeks. I would hope that Cena is intense in all of his promos and doesn't try to be funny. Its very corny.
Great match. TLC is a worthless show that WWE are hoping will sell on stipulation alone. Maybe Hell In A Cell was a success, I don't know.
Sheamus is a more legitimate challenger than The Miz, Swagger or MVP at this time. Mostly because he's been booked strongly for six month where the rest have been booked haphazardly for the same period of time. And while nobody will seriously think Sheamus will win, the stipulation is designed to protect him and his aura, nobody would think the three I mentioned would win either. At least Sheamus is an unknown quantity.
Sheamus is a more legitimate challenger than The Miz, Swagger or MVP at this time. Mostly because he's been booked strongly for six month where the rest have been booked haphazardly for the same period of time. And while nobody will seriously think Sheamus will win, the stipulation is designed to protect him and his aura, nobody would think the three I mentioned would win either. At least Sheamus is an unknown quantity.
There is no way I see Sheamus winning this one. However, thanks to the Tables stipulation, he also gets to walk away without a pinfall or submission loss. It's a win-win, really. Cena gets to put Sheamus over as a brute, the new guy gets a rub from the champ, does the job by getting knocked through a table, and still walks out an unpinned monster on a rampage. I could see Sheamus continuing to brutalize people until Cena gives him another title shot at the Rumble, at which time a new #1 contender is crowned. It works out for everyone involved.
The more I think about it, the more I feel that one of these will occur:
a. Sheamus wins the title
b. Sheamus wins through interference
c. Cena retains and is then taken out by Sheamus
I think b. or c. is the more likely thing to occur because they need to write Cena off the show to make his new film. Now given they've placed alot of emphasis on Sheamus taking out people (granted it's Noble, Lawler, etc) I think Cena would retain, but weakly and Sheamus just destroys him and spends half of January saying he took Cena out. Now the possibility there is the title can be vacated or Cena returns at the Rumble to face Sheamus again. With the intereference idea is that you can have Sheamus win, but someone like Orton, etc making a claim against Sheamus' win. It's more I'm trying to think how they will work this around Cena's filming and the Rumble, personally if they can keep Sheamus out of the Rumble match itself, that will please me.
I don't think McMahon would let Sheamus win the title given the past experience with Lesnar and Lashley, but then he's willing to try anything. But I think Cena will get through but doesn't walk out of TLC in one piece.
a. Sheamus wins the title
b. Sheamus wins through interference
c. Cena retains and is then taken out by Sheamus
I think b. or c. is the more likely thing to occur because they need to write Cena off the show to make his new film. Now given they've placed alot of emphasis on Sheamus taking out people (granted it's Noble, Lawler, etc) I think Cena would retain, but weakly and Sheamus just destroys him and spends half of January saying he took Cena out. Now the possibility there is the title can be vacated or Cena returns at the Rumble to face Sheamus again. With the intereference idea is that you can have Sheamus win, but someone like Orton, etc making a claim against Sheamus' win. It's more I'm trying to think how they will work this around Cena's filming and the Rumble, personally if they can keep Sheamus out of the Rumble match itself, that will please me.
I don't think McMahon would let Sheamus win the title given the past experience with Lesnar and Lashley, but then he's willing to try anything. But I think Cena will get through but doesn't walk out of TLC in one piece.
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