The Tag Division Thread: Thoughts, Ideas, & Complaints

[CalciferBoheme]

No one team could save it, you have to build a division. You need at least 6 teams, thought more would help. and they need to all be focused on. You can't just focus on the champs and whoever is challenging at the time, then not show anyone else.

Looks at the best eras of tag team wrestling. You have the mid to late 80s and the late 90s/early00s. Both times you may have had few teams on top, but you had a large number under them holding the division up. Heck, in the 80s you were able to have a 10 team match, and that still wasn't all the teams the company had.

Also, stop breaking teams up. sure, it works sometimes, but that is rare. Most teams that went on to singles success grew apart naturally without a big blow off. In the last few years they break up teams when the guys have little to no upside apart. The Hart Dynasty was a fantastic team, now the only one shown on Raw is Natalya.

Lastly, stop putting together people who don't like each other. The finish of Raw last night showed how little the tag titles meant. Gabriel and Slater make a good team and could be very good as champs, but they looked weak last night. And if they wanted to do the Miz screws Cena finish, it should have been in the first match. They need real teams that work together all of the time and look like a real team. some makeshift teams are fine, but you also need people who are identified together.


All of that said, I agree with people that it would be great to have Beer Money in WWE. i would also want KoW and a return of WGTT... But all of that would be dependent on WWE wanting to boost the division again. If they aren't willing to do that, all three teams are better where they are.

 

[The Man They Call WMD]

I voted other. I would first sign the Briscoes away from ROH. They are a extremely talented team who I recommend to any1 who wants to see good tag team in action. My next move would be to bring back the Worlds greatest Tag Team who is also in ROH. My reason being is they can really go. I would then put Sheamus and McIntyre into a team. That would give at least 3 great teams. If I wanted to add another team I would use Daniel Bryan and Seth Rollins.

 

[Suviluer]

the usos, the corre, nexus and kozlov/santino are the only teams right now! thats 4!!!!
to improve this i think they could:
1)GET EDGE AND CHRISTIAN BACK TOGETHER!
2) BRING BACK LONDON AND KENDRICK!!! one of my fave tag teams ever!
3) get some of these guys (reks, ryder, barreta, masters, young, tarver, tatsu, sheffield mayber even swagger, dibiase, henry, bourne and hart smith) that have not a lot going for them and make them a tag team a credible tag team! this
4) and more importantly! make tag teams and keep them!!! they always just tag random superstars and go with it for like two weeks and forget about it! either dont team 'em or keep 'em enough to get over!!!
and when thay actually have a good tag team (hart dynasty, the colons, cryme time) they fuck it up split them and in all these examples burry both wrestlers!! wtf?!! thats jus stupid!

 

[EastCoastFan]

First and foremost, Vince has to care about tag team wrestling in order to rebuild the tag team division. As long as he believes tag teams (along with women and crusierweights) don't draw money, he won't do anything with it.

Of the teams you mentioned, the one that would be best to spearhead a rebirth of the tag team division would have been the Hart Dynasty. The Dudleys and Hardys are under contract to TNA. Vince prefers Edge as a singles wrestler and reportedly has never liked Christian. The APA are too old (Ron Simmons is over 50 and JBL is in his mid-40's). Carlito was miserable in WWE and probably would never go back. I know other fans liked them, but I never really got into Cryme Tyme.

 

[doorag]

Not one, you'd have to have The Road Warriors, Rock & Roll Express, Midnight Express, British Bulldogs, Hart Foundation, Arn and Ole, The Steiners, Doom, and the rest of the teams that made the tag division worth liking and watching...

 

[thelegacywillremain1]

i think the problem with the tag division is lack of storyline most of the time they throw 2 guys together and make em champ only to fued 3 months later. there is lack of focus from the writers. i think the last great tag team was priceless. there was a story behind that paring .cody turning on hardcore holly and they were a tag team for at least two years i think thats why it worked for them

 

[rwg279]

The issue I see is this it's not just 1 tag team needed or its Vince but, everyone that has posted something is right. There is multiple ways to fix it and it would have to take all of them to fix it.

one team on 1 show / fed won't.

Think about how many that there were in any year up to about 2003-05. Then count how many in one fed. That they had access to that you saw. Compare that to what it is like now. ie: Take 1999... Too many to count. Now days u can count all of them on two hands maybe a foot also.

Now if Vince hates tag teams. Then after the buy out happens then the divisions in wwe should suck. oh wait it does and it's what like 5 teams. and u see the same 3 more than the other two and if they are good they split them up.

Up and till about 12 - 18 months ago TNA had a very diverse tag division. It was good. but now they are cutting them out.

I see only one major thing that can fix it. It won't be from the WWE sorry but they do have the fan base and money but not going to happen right now (If it did that would be the greatest thing to happen right now). It could be TNA but they don't have the money. Who ever does it will win the next "War"

The Fix would have to be on what would look like a massive scale. Now I get this following idea from the concept of Chikara Pro - King Trios. If you don't know its 16 3man tag team tournament over 3 days. I'm not saying do 3 man teams. The scale would be the scale for TNA. WWE would want to double it.

Claim and Open challenger to all tag teams no matter the Fed for 3 months (Talk about try outs on air for the first month only. Check out the teams that sign up during the first month. Then use the 2nd half of the 1st and all of the 2nd to throw them on or add them to house shows. All during the 2nd and 3rd months you pull the top ones to tv. (The exception would be teams that are top in the larger feds like ROH, or top feds from Mexico and Japan.).

During the 3rd Month announce a 16 Tag team tournament. Spread it over 4 shows 2 matches an the quarter/ semi/ finals will be a special PPV. Give the Top 5 teams contracts. and offer the next 5 call backs to help build the top 5 but chance to impress the main office. Oh let the teams do their thing (gimmick wise encourage it). Can you image seeing like Beer Money vs. Incoherence or Kings of Wrestling vs. MCMG or even Hardys vs. Briscoes on TNA Impact.

 

[Zigglerfan227]

No one can "save" the tag team division, only Mr. McMahon and the booking team can do that. I would like to see tag teams come back together such as Cryme Tyme, Carlito and Primo, The Hart Dynasty, and Goldust and Yoshi Tatsu. Darren Young could team with Micheal Tarver, William Regal could team with Zack Ryder, and R-Truth could team with Mark Henry. The APA would be great if they would come back, and if Rikishi and Scotty Too Hotty came back they could team up. Anyway, there are so many things that could be done to help out the tag team division.

 

[Chauncy Talon]

Tag Teams have been dead since WWF bought out ECW/WCW. Most don't believe me, but teams were put together for the hell of it back then also. Nothing is saving the Tag Divison. Reason, we are watching tag teams wrestlers who did this shit back in the 90's. Tag Teams don't cut promos anymore, and the Tag Division don't even have pestigue anymore. TNA tag division is as good as Captain Crunch. Bunch of teams, but everytime I trying to swallow it, my mouth get cut.

 

[Master_MIND]

Demolition. Arguably the best tag team ever, with arguably the best theme music in the history of the business.

Seriously, WWE needs to bring in a few old teams and re-unite others. They need to create a division with teams people know and hopefully care about. They also need to change the style of the actual wrestling.

Hass/Benjamin
The Dudleyz (who I hate now but they could get over once again in WWE with the tables)
Hart Dynasty
Uso's
Cody Rhodes/Ted Jr - they worked well together in Legacy, neither has really taken it to that next level individually. Cody really needs to get some knee pads, he looks like such a *** without them.
Kendrick/London
Cryme Tyme

Tag team wrestling needs to get back to using double team moves. The wrestlers need to use old moves and create new innovative double team moves. When is the last time you saw a Doomsday Device? The style of the wrestling will make the tag team division exciting again. Tag teams and tag team wrestling can draw. The TLC matches were huge draws and the WWF made millions selling those LOD shoulder pads.

 

[EricRuthGames]

Can anyone tell me why Cryme Tyme was split? When I started watching again about a year ago, I thought they were great. A good compliment of power and skill with a solid gimmick, decent promos and fun entrance music. I mean, I was a little shocked when I saw 2 black guys stealing stuff on Smackdown, but I got the joke and enjoyed them until the inevitable break up that Vince has ultimately planned for every team in existence. I mean, they were a solid shelf of the division and frankly I miss them. Does anyone else agree?

 

[Onaliseth]

Id like the Brood back, entrance was awesome and well, its Christian and Edge too, added with Gangrel, wich is pretty cool
APA rocked, so did hardy boyz when they first arrived
oh and id love to see Billy and Chuck hahahahahah, those were priceless

 

[Bobholly39]

i don't think it'd be that hard to save the tag division tbh. All it takes is a bit of patience. You don't even need to get crazy and have an Edge& Christian reunion, or bring back the Dudleys or Hardys or anything like that. Here's what you do:


Make someone strong tag team champs for a while. Honnestly, Miz/Cena might work cuz they're main eventers, and if they hold onto the belts for a few weeks/cpl of months it might be long enough. So make them champs, make them seem very hard to beat, and as if they'll remain champs for a long time.


Insert any random tag team the fans can get behind. *THEY NEED MIC SKILLS*. Heels or good guys, can work either way. Have them cut promos, week after week about how they want to become Tag Champs. Have them beat teams 2vs2 every week, talking smash to the champs, saying they deserve their shot, etc. This can be a new tag team, or a current team, but again they need to have decent mic skills to make things interresting when they talk smack on the microphone.

And you're done. You've raised the value of the Tag Belts again. you make people want to see this team finally earn their shot, and once they win, it's a big deal, because they're CHAMPIONS.

Have other teams similarly start talking smack, saying they want to become champs, etc.

It's not that hard.

It's really not that hard. It can be done.

 

[Xemmy]

None of these tag teams could save the division. Fact is, no former tag team is going to do it. The only way the tag division is revitalized is if WWE wants it to be. It's not hard to put guys together that have chemistry. Everyone whines when a couple of mid-card guys are put together, but that's really what it would take. The only time there's life in the tag division is when teams can have an actual fued on the mic, and we haven't seen that since Jerishow. And we won't see until some other team with a mouthpeice goes up against Santino and Kozlov. Yeah, the Corre's got them right now, but the only guy on that team that can open his mouth is Wade, and he's not carrying a title.


An old team doesn't need to be thrown in because, 1. It's unrealistic, and 2. No one team can save a division. It takes multiple teams with talent in the ring, and on the mic. Everyone has there own ideas about what would save the tag team division. And really there's only one way. WWE just needs to treat it like the other divisions, instead of a section of the show to feed to maineventers or a 10 minute episode of superstars.

 

[rwg279]

no one team it takes champs, #1 contenders, and about 3 or more other teams trying to get the #1 slot. to have a division. so at least 5 well established teams.

 

[FORDIE]

Completely agree with rwg279, the wwe needs some legit tag teams and a division that promotes number 1 contenders match rather than the usual one team beats the champs in a non title match so they get a shot at the now meaningless titles.

 

[Zangash]

honestly, the most over tag team of the last couple years was cryme tyme, they could have easily had a resurgence in the tag team division, its not in ring talent thats going to get the tag division over again its actually charisma.

Miz and Morrison were far more ever than Cryme Tyme. Hell, Jerishow and ShowMiz were a lot more over, too. Primo and Carlito were decently over (more than Cryme Tyme at least), and Santino and whatshisname were majorly over. Oh, and Corre/Nexus are far more over than Cryme Tyme ever was, simply because they're underlings of the WWE's 2nd (or 3rd or 4th, it's debatable) biggest heel.

But on topic: WWE doesn't need former teams. All it'd take is booking. And the tag team champs wouldn't be forced to wrestle in only tag team matches. Re-unite the Hart Dynasty, team Hawkins with Barretta, McGillicutty with Rollins, Unico with Mysterio (Since Mysterio is leaving anyways...), black Cena (The first guy to get ejected from Nexus) with Watson, DiBiase with his little bro, Gabriel with Bourne, and Masters with that one black guy who cried when he got eliminated from NXT. Voila, 8 teams. And as I said before, they don't have to be booked as not being able to compete unless it has something to do with their team.

 

[kash_is_money]

OH YOU DIDNT KNOW KNOW, YOUR ASS BETTER CALL SOMEBODY!!! (EPIC GUITAR RIFF!!!)

I have always read these threads but have only started to post here so now this is my first thread.Any crituques would be appriciated (apart from spelling).

Anywho, i have been thinking about this for over a year.

I was always a fan of the New Age Outlaws, as im sure many of you where. During their peak 1998-2000, they were undoubtly at the peak of the WWF tag team division. They regularly main evented RAW and Smackdown and at their peak, even the WWF, well Jim Ross, reffered to them as "the greatest tag team in WWF history".

Granted, when the NAO were in the WWF the tag team divison(ttd) was on fire, hell the entire company was on fire. The APA, The Headbangers, E+C, The Hardyz, The Dudleyz, The Rock + Sock, Too Cool, LOD 2000 and any other amount of relevant tag teams. So you could argue that it couldnt be hard for them to be relevevant.

Anyway. With the current state of the ttd, i think that the NAO would be the perfect fit to rejuvinate the ttd. All they need to do is to comeback at the next ppv, hell Wrestlemaina lol, and go over the Corre with the massive shock value that comes with it. NOW, they will come back as massive faces and hold onto the titles while slowly turning heel over the next two months. Fueding with whoever happenes to be the flavor of the time. But the thing is, not to let the faces beat them, ever!!! Just build them up as the most heel team the WWE has ever seen. And then build the division around taking the belts off them.

Kind of what TNA did with the Guns, even though they were always that face team in their title matches, TNA kept the belts off them until they were ready to carry them.

Now before a sea of hate. I know that I know as much as anyone that either member of the Outlaws will ever step foot in the WWE again. They both have beef with Vince and Triple H. Shoot interviews and why they were realesed etc.

But its just an idea

What you think

 

[Defekt]

No one team can save the division. You need several popular teams, putting on good matches to give credibility to the tag titles.

Now days even if a tag team does get over, they have no one to fight. The best the WWE can do are makeshift teams, which are usually put together as part of some greater storyline.

Unifying the tag titles was a good start, but if the WWE wants to revitalize the division they need to either bring in alot of new talent, or combine existing wrestlers into tag teams, and refrain from booking them in singles matches.

 

[stasheroo]

Yeah, the fact is that no one team can save the tag-team division, only Vince McMahon can.

He can save it by respecting it for the draw that it is, and can be again.

And with the current youth movement, tag-teams present a wonderful opportunity for further development and on-the-job training.

Much like young stars are now being placed into factions to allow them time to develop and hide current shortcomings, the same can be done with tag-teams, and it has been done in the past.

Hopefully, one of the changes to occur in the developmental process will be increased patience in letting young talent develop and giving wrestlers time to establish themselves as a tag-team before breaking them up as singles wrestlers. The current WWE 'braintrust' is much too quick to split up quality teams.

What they've done to the Hart Dynasty is a travesty and a complete waste.

 

[Newman]

Edge and Christian will automatically raise the standard of the Tag Team Divison but if that happens who are they going to face? Justin Gabriel and Heath Slater? You can't have only one team alone, you need more. WWE don't have to bring in other superstars from other company. They can make their own and I don't mean superstars randomly put together to form a team. They could have :

1- Edge and Christian
2- Sheamus and Drew McIntyre
3- The Hart Dynasty
4- Reunite Kane and Big Show

and some other more teams but that 4 right there would raise the standards of the current Tag Team Division by miles.

 

[darbare]

To be honest for the past decade the WWE tag team division has truly been nothing but a couple of good teams here and there.....i mean sure you look at E&C, Dudleys, and The Hardys, but only two of those teams were produced by WWE,....Dudleys came from ECW....there was a plethora of talent to go around, and WWE struck gold in getting them....for the past decade makeshift tag teams are the most common....2 Man Power Trip, JeriShow, Jericho and Benoit, Booker t and Goldust, Miz and Morrison....hell at one point Undertaker and The Rock, and Undertaker and Big Show....makeshift teams have been around forever....its just that the makeshift teams of old seemed so good because they were all upper tier talents who didnt have to be in the main event because Austin and Rock were around...without another mega star, upper tier talents cant dip down and make the tag division relevant...they only have Cena and no one else....and of course Edge and Christian wont help for long because they will have no one to face, and eventually they will split apart and feud with the tag belts going to the last best team to hold em, and the focus will be put on their rivalry...hell the focus will be put on their inevitable split from the get go if they reunite which makes the tag titles just props and less important

 

[C.K.O.]

The WWE just needs top stars surrounding the Tag Team division for a while and not ruin it by involving the WWE World titles.

Example The Miz & John Cena made the Tag Team titles important for about 10mins but with the WWE Title involved it was made a joke just as quick.

When Jeri-Show dominated the Tag Division is was entertaining because two top WWE superstars focused on the WWE tag team titles

 

[ctln4rko]

None of the teams you listed, sorry. "Fatt" and "Meth" Hardy are in TNA
, The dudleys are beyond their prime
, cryme tyme? To quote my favorite wrestler, Really? Really? Really? haha no
. Hart Dynasty- good while it lasted, but Tyson's gotta break free.
APA- Bradshaw retired, Farrooq fired.
Colons- see Cryme Tyme.
Edge and Christian- maybe. But i wouldn't push edge and christian down to tag divison level. And Edge is set to retire next year, i think.
The Corre and Nexus are saving the divison, to me. Slowly but surely. Santino draws so much crowd attention, are you kidding? Great character, bad with Vlad.
To me, Daniel Bryan and Evan Bourne, or two guys from the nonindependent scene. Both great high fliers, it would give Bourne time to shine, and have Bryan as US champ or not.
Sheamus and Drew McIntyre- both celtic warriors would be a dominant team.

 

[MisterB47]

I loved the Outlaws. They were my favourite of all time with L.O.D. and the Steiner Brothers. They weren't the best wrestlers but they could carry and match, storyline, fued, anything that was put infront of them. They could possibly save the Tag Division but I don't understand what the WWE is doing with the Tag Division. I Don't understand why they create Tag teams and then break them up before they even hold the belts or are serious tag team contenders. I think with the whole youth movement they start them in a tag team but because they are 'destined' to become singles competitors, then they move them straight away (i.e. Hart Dynasty, Colons, Priceless etc)

I would love to see the WWE bring in some of the upper midcarders bring some respect back to Tag division. There are plenty who are not playing an important part in major stroy lines yet. Or all those who go through NXT, why dont they create some actual tag teams (not just two guys who wrestle together, im talking about gimmicks, or a tag name).

It would have to take a fresh new tag team that lasts for more than a year or two to save the tag division, or even an older established one to maybe stick around for a bit to bring other tag teams up. The NAO would be perfect and hey they aren't tied down to anyone so maybe!!!!