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I've just relegated myself to accepting that I will probably never find out which team really is the best in the country in college football since we will never find out who is from the BCS. And we all know that those college presidents will never stop taking the extra money from the BCS.
 
Aye, definitely agree with you. Fuck just give them a shot. If they get killed then let them go with their tails between their legs.
 
According to ESPN, 5 Ohio St. players will be suspended for the first 5 games of next season for accepting improper benefits, including Terrelle Pryor.
 
I have to admit, I expected a blowout in tonight's Pittsburgh/Carolina game, and right now it's Pittsburgh 3 - Carolina 0. (12 mins left in the 2nd)

Big Ben was just sacked and fucked up; assumed he rebroke his nose. And Capt. Munnerlyn just muffed the punt, only to make sure we didn't get any momentum off the Big Ben broken nose.
 
I have to admit, I expected a blowout in tonight's Pittsburgh/Carolina game, and right now it's Pittsburgh 3 - Carolina 0. (12 mins left in the 2nd)

Big Ben was just sacked and fucked up; assumed he rebroke his nose. And Capt. Munnerlyn just muffed the punt, only to make sure we didn't get any momentum off the Big Ben broken nose.
Yeah, umm, you got your blowout, it just took a while to get it rollin.
 
Yeah, umm, you got your blowout, it just took a while to get it rollin.

:lmao: Indeed we did. I don't know what was worse - the blowout I knew was coming, and yet our Defense caused Pittsburgh to go something like 4-12 on 3rd downs. Or the fact I had to sit through that entire game listening to two shit announcers going ON and ON and ONNNNN about how Carolina should pick up Andrew Luck with the 1st overall Draft pick.

Look, I'm on the band wagon of Clausen dislike-ers. But picking up ANOTHER rookie QB (nfl ready or not) is not the solution to Carolina's problems. I suggest we trade down and pick up multiple picks.. but don't trade down low enough to miss out on a guy like..

Nick Fairley (DT - Auburn) or Marcell Dareus (DT - Alabama). Maybe even a DE of some kind.

Truthfully, Clausen could be better with more reliable weapons. Steve Smith sold his home in Carolina so perhaps there is an underlining situation that the team could be getting ready to shop him this off-season for someone, or multiple someone else('s).

Oh, yeah, for the record I think shopping your sole great WR is a very BAD idea. But depending on what you get in return based in reflection to how old Steve Smith is.. maybe it really is time to part ways. Still, Smith is (even with a shit QB) a dangerous weapon when he gets his hands on the ball.
 
I doubt many people would trade up to #1. Not unless they get a cap on rookies before the draft.

Please tell me you aren't serious?

I get being a Detroit fan, and naturally having Draft picks in the top 5 means your team doesn't try to move up because they pretty much are where they need to be as-is.. but plenty of teams will WANT to take that pick; especially if they need a QB and feel they can't land him.

Arizona, San Fran, Seattle, Cincy, TN, MN - all of these teams need a top named QB.. and most of them would be willing to trade up to grab a guy like Andrew Luck.
 
Carolina trading Smith for a QB would be stupid as fuck, you'd get a QB, and he'd be left with nobody to throw to, I mean sure Gettis is on his way, but he's far from being a number 1 WR, if anything trade DeAngelo Williams, he's getting old, his best days are likely behind him and you have two other good RBs in Stewart, and Goodson
 
I'm just gonna throw out that Chad Ochocinco may be available. Get him and Steve Smith together again (they were teammates at Santa Monica College in 2000)? That'd be some good shit.

Of course the Panthers owner is a cheap bastard who'd likely not want to put the money in the team.

And Will's right, this year there is a chance that the #1 overall gets traded (hasn't happened since 2004). If Carolina doesn't want Luck, they could trade to 4-6 and get a lot back (at least 1 more first rounder, and then some).
 
Please tell me you aren't serious?

I get being a Detroit fan, and naturally having Draft picks in the top 5 means your team doesn't try to move up because they pretty much are where they need to be as-is.. but plenty of teams will WANT to take that pick; especially if they need a QB and feel they can't land him.

Arizona, San Fran, Seattle, Cincy, TN, MN - all of these teams need a top named QB.. and most of them would be willing to trade up to grab a guy like Andrew Luck.

Not really, not with the cba about to expire and lockout looming, there could be a lot of changes from a business stand point and franchises are going to want to know what those changes are BEFORE committing shit loads of money to anybody, and that includes rookies
 
Please tell me you aren't serious?

I get being a Detroit fan, and naturally having Draft picks in the top 5 means your team doesn't try to move up because they pretty much are where they need to be as-is.. but plenty of teams will WANT to take that pick; especially if they need a QB and feel they can't land him.

Arizona, San Fran, Seattle, Cincy, TN, MN - all of these teams need a top named QB.. and most of them would be willing to trade up to grab a guy like Andrew Luck.

Yes, but rarely do you ever see a top 5 overall selection being traded because it costs to much money. How much did Bradford get? All of that and he hadn't even played a down yet? Please.

Plus, those teams could go after some guys (McNabb, Palmer) or take on a chance like Newton or Mallett.

I'd be surprised if someone actually bit on trading up, especially if they think they still have a shot at Luck anyways. You say Carolina shouldn't get Luck, then Arizona (who'll be a top 5 pick) might as well wait as Denver won't need a QB and they'd (barring a win) have a first pick over Buffalo and Detroit because their schedule was easier.
 
Carolina trading Smith for a QB would be stupid as fuck, you'd get a QB, and he'd be left with nobody to throw to, I mean sure Gettis is on his way, but he's far from being a number 1 WR, if anything trade DeAngelo Williams, he's getting old, his best days are likely behind him and you have two other good RBs in Stewart, and Goodson

DeAngelo Williams will be a FA this off-season. We likely aren't resigning him because of the fact that Stewart and Goodson have shown great potential in being our future.

Unfortunately, I think that is a mistake. Williams IS a great back regardless of the injuries he's suffered over the past two years. When he's healthy - he's one of the top 10, if not at least top 6. (I can't say 5 because I'm thinking of Chris Johnson, Peterson, Turner, Steven Jackson & MJD just to start - and guys like Hillis, Foster, Rice and Charles are making a case as well)

Still, where in the NFL gameplan does it say it's a bad idea to have 3 solid RBs? So, yeah, Williams should be resigned just because he has talent and isn't a slouch.

I'm just gonna throw out that Chad Ochocinco may be available. Get him and Steve Smith together again (they were teammates at Santa Monica College in 2000)? That'd be some good shit.

Of course the Panthers owner is a cheap bastard who'd likely not want to put the money in the team.

1. Steve Smith is under contract until 2012, which means Carolina will first look to find someone to sign and pair with him - before looking to trade him away and hurt us worse.

2. Chad 85 WILL NOT be brought to Carolina unless Richardson does something he isn't prone to doing; and that's signing a guy with an attitude and a cocky mouth. (yeah, yeah - I say that and Steve Smith is ON the team.. but Chad is worse, and has less talent in my opinion)

Richardson doesn't take chances on drama cases - which is exactly why guys like T.O. and Randy Moss weren't even a thought in his mind when both were available.

Would I love to see it? Hell yes. But it's an even bigger pipe dream than thinking Carolina will turn their season around next year and win a Superbowl with Bill Cowher. :lmao:

And Will's right, this year there is a chance that the #1 overall gets traded (hasn't happened since 2004). If Carolina doesn't want Luck, they could trade to 4-6 and get a lot back (at least 1 more first rounder, and then some).

This. Carolina, and Jerry Richardson specifically, does it's off-season work through drafting rather than FA. Because of that, Richardson will look to save some money on the first overall pick by not signing the 1st overall guy.. AND he'll pick up additional draft picks to continue the youth movement.

Not really, not with the cba about to expire and lockout looming, there could be a lot of changes from a business stand point and franchises are going to want to know what those changes are BEFORE committing shit loads of money to anybody, and that includes rookies

Meh. I just can't see the league being locked out before the draft or next season. Because of that, I'm sure everything will be figured out and fixed/set in place by the Draft.

Yes, but rarely do you ever see a top 5 overall selection being traded because it costs to much money. How much did Bradford get? All of that and he hadn't even played a down yet? Please.

Plus, those teams could go after some guys (McNabb, Palmer) or take on a chance like Newton or Mallett.

I'd be surprised if someone actually bit on trading up, especially if they think they still have a shot at Luck anyways. You say Carolina shouldn't get Luck, then Arizona (who'll be a top 5 pick) might as well wait as Denver won't need a top pick and they'd (barring a win) have a first pick over Buffalo and Detroit because their schedule was easier.

As ST/P said - the owner of the Carolina Panthers does NOT like spending a ton of money. Due to that, he'll look to trade the pick to someone else and still get a valuable player and then some.

What good would it be to take another rookie QB? And why take a DE/DT at the first overall pick, when you could trade down - get more picks - and still get the same DE/DT for a cheaper value?

There are plenty of teams who'll look to spend the money to move up and grab something great. Dallas instantly comes to mind - but that all depends on if they still believe Romo is the answer to their future.
 
It's not that I don't think the Panthers won't want to trade down - I'm sure they'd want to - but (out of the teams you mentioned) I don't see anyone jumping on the bit to trade up because (this is assuming they don't change rookie contracts) a) rookies, top picks specifically, get highly overpaid, and b) there's quite a few QB talents out there (McNabb, Palmer, Mallett, Newton, hell even Jake Locker could be a prospect that's highly thought of) that I don't think for people it's the be-all end-all for Luck. And Carolina might not go after him anyways, so why trade up to #1 if you know the top two picks (Carolina, Denver) aren't drafting him anyways?

And Carolina drafted Peppers #2 overall in 02. They could do the same with Bowers (who's a mix DE/DT I believe).
 
It's not that I don't think the Panthers won't want to trade down - I'm sure they'd want to - but (out of the teams you mentioned) I don't see anyone jumping on the bit to trade up because (this is assuming they don't change rookie contracts) a) rookies, top picks specifically, get highly overpaid, and b) there's quite a few QB talents out there (McNabb, Palmer, Mallett, Newton, hell even Jake Locker could be a prospect that's highly thought of) that I don't think for people it's the be-all end-all for Luck. And Carolina might not go after him anyways, so why trade up to #1 if you know the top two picks (Carolina, Denver) aren't drafting him anyways?

I don't think it really matters how much a rookie costs. If a team believes they need any one specific player, and they fear any team in front of them getting that specific player - they'll do what they have to, to land that player over the alternative team.

There is also no solid guarantee Carolina won't go after Luck, or any other QB available - I think a lot rides on who the new Coach is, how the owner wants to work the FA, and whether or not Clausen proved enough to remain Carolina's future. (piss poor talent surrounding him or not - he, too, has to prove he can help us win games. Bradford is helping St. Louis with just as many unknown WRs and talent surrounding him)

And Carolina drafted Peppers #2 overall in 02. They could do the same with Bowers (who's a mix DE/DT I believe).

Personally, I think it's easier to do this and go with a DE/DT in which you KNOW you can use - over the unknown in a QB, when you don't have the proper talent to surround him to give him an easier move into the league.
 
2. Chad 85 WILL NOT be brought to Carolina unless Richardson does something he isn't prone to doing; and that's signing a guy with an attitude and a cocky mouth. (yeah, yeah - I say that and Steve Smith is ON the team.. but Chad is worse, and has less talent in my opinion)

Would I love to see it? Hell yes. But it's an even bigger pipe dream than thinking Carolina will turn their season around next year and win a Superbowl with Bill Cowher. :lmao:
1. Ocho is one of the most talented receivers in the entire league.
2. Ocho isn't that much of an attitude guy, and really his mouth isn't what you're making it out to be. Steve Smith is a destructive personality, Ocho is a FUN personality. BIG difference.


Meh. I just can't see the league being locked out before the draft or next season. Because of that, I'm sure everything will be figured out and fixed/set in place by the Draft.
The draft is happening whether there's a lockout or not.


As ST/P said - the owner of the Carolina Panthers does NOT like spending a ton of money. Due to that, he'll look to trade the pick to someone else and still get a valuable player and then some.

What good would it be to take another rookie QB? And why take a DE/DT at the first overall pick, when you could trade down - get more picks - and still get the same DE/DT for a cheaper value?

There are plenty of teams who'll look to spend the money to move up and grab something great. Dallas instantly comes to mind - but that all depends on if they still believe Romo is the answer to their future.
Mega, you gotta realize that teams would consider trading up because they need the player. A team that needs a QB and can afford to trade up cannot rish Luck not falling to them. That's why they trade up, to ensure they get the player they want. And yes, there are other QBs, bu you gotta realize that Luck is being graded at levels not seen since Peyton Manning came out of Tennessee. Luck is being touted as a once-in-a-generation chance, and as such any other QB is a step back. And did you really suggest Carson Palmer is a suitable guy to get instead of Andrew Luck? Palmer is a sack of garbage that is gonna need to take a backup job/QB competition to stay in the league if Cincy lets him go. The guys been garbage for way too long.
 
Arizona, San Fran, Seattle, Cincy, TN, MN - all of these teams need a top named QB.. and most of them would be willing to trade up to grab a guy like Andrew Luck.

If the Vikings managed to nab Andrew Luck, you don't know how happy I'd be. I'd run around the streets naked and take pictures to prove it if that were to go down.
 
Please tell me you aren't serious?

I get being a Detroit fan, and naturally having Draft picks in the top 5 means your team doesn't try to move up because they pretty much are where they need to be as-is.. but plenty of teams will WANT to take that pick; especially if they need a QB and feel they can't land him.

Arizona, San Fran, Seattle, Cincy, TN, MN - all of these teams need a top named QB.. and most of them would be willing to trade up to grab a guy like Andrew Luck.
You forgot Oakland, the main reason the Raiders are not a 10 or 11 win team right now is because our QB sucks. Also if Cam Newton is out there some teams might take him first.
 
Oh goodie, they're gonna show the top moments of 2010 on SC in bit. So now we can see all the things that we forgot to nominate for the EOY awards.

I turned it on because you said they were doing this, and now they're showing this bit about a kid who had cancer in his eyes and he lost one at birth, but they had to remove the other one like, last year, and the last thing he wanted to see was a USC football game, and he's still trying to play football even though he's totally blind. This is the saddest thing I've ever seen.
 
You forgot Oakland, the main reason the Raiders are not a 10 or 11 win team right now is because our QB sucks. Also if Cam Newton is out there some teams might take him first.

It's more the receiving corp then the qb play. Jason Campbell has actually had a really solid season. His completion % is a little low at just over 57, but again look at his receivers, other then that he has thrown for over 2,000 yards with 11 tds, 8 picks, and an 83 qb rating. I think Tom Cable made a mistake by benching Campbell early in the season. He had one bad game and was benched for a guy that will never be any more then a back up.

Gradkowski started 4 games this season. He lost the 3 he played all the way through and the 4th game he started he was 1 for 7, got injured early on, and then Campbell came in and led the Raiders to victory. Gradkowski has only led the Raiders to one win this season. Campbell isn't exactly a perennial pro bowler but he is a starting NFL qb. He has had 6 different offensive coordinators in 6 years and he has never had a number one receiver. Give the guy some consistency and a number one receiver and see what he can do.

Quarterback may not be a position of strength for the Raiders but when your tight end Zach Miller is your leading receiver that is a little alarming. There aren't many qb's in the league who can play great with a receiving corps of Louis Murphy, Darius Heyward-Bay, Jacoby Ford, Marcel Reece, and Johhnie Lee Higgins. Drafting a rookie and throwing him out there with those receivers is not a good idea.
 

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