The Most Pushed Down Your Throat Heel

[trashboy]

CM Punk in his old Smackdown straight edge days of 2009. He was feuding with Jeff Hardy at the time and when he beat him and finished his career on Smackdown, I was devastated. He then went and rubbed it in everyone's face by doing this:
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It pee'd everyone off as Jeff Hardy was the face of Smackdown at the time. You can tell by the faces of the audience after they realised who it was.
The most depressing thing was this:
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EVERYONE hated him; but that's what a heel is supposed to do, I guess.
On the contrary; he was just doing his job of being a heel. He was doing it well, also.

This stuff was great. I loved Punk during the Straight Edge stuff. It was awesome. Loved every bit of it. Especially wanting to fight Rey, because I can't stand that little punk.

Anyway, I'd probably have to choose JBL. He was terrible, I was a huge fan of his during the Ministry and the APA stuff, but once he became JBL, he just wasn't as interesting anymore. His promos were boring. Hated it every time he'd say, "I'm a wrestling god." And no, I didn't hate him just because he was heel. I like who I like and hate who I hate. Doesn't matter if they're heel or face.

 

[Fire Marshall Bill]

Normally I don't post after so many people have said my answer as well, but it really just can't be said enough. I am very tolerant of the bad things in professional wrestling. WWE has them. TNA has them. But Michael Cole is so annoying I literally change the channel whenever there's a segment that he is a main part of. When he used to interrupt the Diva matches I would change it. I didn't even know what the "Michael Cole Challenge" was until I read about it on the forums because I would change the channel when he started to speak. It's tolerable if he's just doing regular commentary during matches as a heel, and he even says the occasional funny thing. But when he goes off, so does that channel.

He's toned down a LITTLE since WrestleMania, but it's gone on so long that if it continues, I might just take a break from WWE after WrestleMania. That character is all things terrible.

 

[TheGreatLegend]

CM Punk : I even stopped watching WWE not because how good heel Punk was but because of how annoying this guy was. Boring ass, Lame monotoned promos. A skinny nerd trying to be a tough guy. CM Punk failed at being a heel. Crowd didn't even gave a f*ck of what he was saying. For Proof search CM Punk Promo on the 900th episode of RAW or any other Straight Edge Society promo.. 2009 was by far the worst year for WWE. WWE came to an all time low at that point until now as two vanilla midgets are our World Champions. Don't know why the Internet loves their precious "Indy" and "ROH" guys who are nothing and look like other common people instead of being Larger than Life Characters.

 

[Miz_Mark]

CM Punk : I even stopped watching WWE not because how good heel Punk was but because of how annoying this guy was. Boring ass, Lame monotoned promos. A skinny nerd trying to be a tough guy. CM Punk failed at being a heel. Crowd didn't even gave a f*ck of what he was saying. For Proof search CM Punk Promo on the 900th episode of RAW or any other Straight Edge Society promo.. 2009 was by far the worst year for WWE. WWE came to an all time low at that point until now as two vanilla midgets are our World Champions. Don't know why the Internet loves their precious "Indy" and "ROH" guys who are nothing and look like other common people instead of being Larger than Life Characters.

Vanilla Midget is supposed to refer to a wrestler who is short and has no charisma or personality. That is dead on accurate for Daniel Bryan, but is totally off for CM Punk.

Look at 2 of the best of all time: Ric Flair and Shawn Michaels. Punk is the same height as Shawn and only slightly smaller. He's TALLER than Ric thought not as big.

Punk is in no sane way definable as a midget and is anything but vanilla. He doesn't have a musclehead physique, but he does have larger than life charisma and talent.

Daniel Bryan, however, is the most overrated wrestler of the last 10 years and should never have stepped foot near the world title.

 

[BASSER911414]

This stuff was great. I loved Punk during the Straight Edge stuff. It was awesome. Loved every bit of it. Especially wanting to fight Rey, because I can't stand that little punk.

Anyway, I'd probably have to choose JBL. He was terrible, I was a huge fan of his during the Ministry and the APA stuff, but once he became JBL, he just wasn't as interesting anymore. His promos were boring. Hated it every time he'd say, "I'm a wrestling god." And no, I didn't hate him just because he was heel. I like who I like and hate who I hate. Doesn't matter if they're heel or face.

Punk during the straight edge stuff sucked big time... Completely ruined CM Punk for me. I dont use shampoo because of its foreign chemicals. I must shave ur head so that u can be purified. Completely lame. I was hoping Reyd kick his ass everytime the met. Btw Punk and Rey have had hands down the best matches on PPV and TV in the last entire year...

JBL definitely, ADR hell yes, Miz somewhat, Jack Swagger of course Michael Cole dont even get me started The list is endless. There are lots of heels who just get on my nerves and the less i want to see them the more they are pushed. ADR ESPECIALLY. Id rather Santino won the Royal Rumble than Alberto... And I hate it when he says destiny. gets on my nerves everytime

 

[Brewski]

Heels are supposed to be abrasive, that's why they're heels. The paradox the wwe faces is the love it or hate it mentality of the IWC. If there is a heel that the internet gets behind then that wrestler loses heat. It's a paradox for the big leagues. It works for ROH and the indys because story lines are not as large of parts of the overall product. Fans can get behind a guy like Austin Aries for his ring work and keep him as a consistant heel because the fan base is most entirely smarks who show up for the athletic performance alone. So for WWE to get a heel huge heat from a crowd as well as the smarks at home they need to work twice as hard.

A perfect heel for WWE is someone with high levels of charisma and good vocal skills that edges on the nerves of everyone around them. They don't necessarily have to have excellent ring skills, but it is important for them to put on a believably good match. A lot of the wrestlers mentioned in this thread such as ADR, JBL, and the Miz (lots a 3 letters here....) are great heels IMO. The Miz's promos and ring work are good, he's physically a little small, but gets heat from the crowd as well as heat from smarks. An ideal combination for a bad guy.

Between 2002 and 2005 HHH(3 letters again...) was the top heel of the company. Regaurdless of backstage politics he rightfully had that position. I watched the shows regularly between those years and I can definitely tell you that he had right to be top heel. There has never been such a universally hated character on WWE TV. He put on good matches and played his role perfectly to what the company was doing at the time.

Non wrestlers can be awesome heels too when it comes to managers and authority. Vicky often gets the biggest heat of the night at live events and keeps Ziggler down as a good baddie. VKM (I swear its a conspiracy!) played the authoritarian heel to perfection forever as being the boss everyone hates. I originally hated his current successor, but now every time I hear John Laurinitas, Executive vice president of talent relations and interim general manager of Raw I want to shoot the tv. Perfect heel. The guy gets so much heat that he can't even give the fans a good announcement without getting all the boos. Mr. Excitement is perfect.

Getting back to the actual thread of my long rant (it's my first post give me a break!), if there is any heel that is undeservingly pushed down our throats it's Michael Cole. Now while Cole is hated by everyone and gets huge boos from the fans, his story lines are constantly the worst thing on WWE television. Theres nothing wrong to have a heel announcer, lawler did it for years, ventura did it, the brain did it, it's almost required for a good announce team. What is wrong is when a non-wrestler on a wrestling show takes time away from the wrestling product. It's different for a celebrity match or something where an athlete is involved, but when one cole does any kind of thing on television with JR, or even worse when cole and lawler took up 20 mins of wrestlemania, the wrestling fans are fed garbage. Commentary sits second tier to wrestling, otherwise it's like opening up a pack of M&Ms and finding a bunch of lemonheads mixed in. Sour.

The worst thing to ever be shoved down a wrestling fans throat though was when fake Donald Trump wrestled fake Rosie O'Donnell. The single worst moment in wrestling history.

 

[Harve Harvey]

Heidenreich. Anyone remember when WWE tried to make him look like a credible threat to the Undertaker for a couple of months? This wasn't necessarily the longest time, or most shoved down your throat heel, but it FELT like the longest time any character had been in such a high profile spot without doing anything in my eyes to warrant his position on my TV. Simply terrible on the mic and in the ring and as such, WWE were doing an awful lot of shoving to convince viewers he was the real deal. Haha, not even associating him with Heyman did any good, and that's saying something.

Also, Vladimir Koslov on Smackdown when they first bought him in, fueding with Trips as if he would ever belong in the main event. These two, whilst only getting fairly short pushes, were so crap that I struggled to understand why they even bothered, I really did.

 

[jak1077]

Leemurf I have to agree with you. I understand that WWE is trying to force all of Michael Cole down our throats as much as possible and it is getting old very very quick. I love the sport of professional wrestling and in all 24 years I have been watching I have never hated a comminator as much as Cole. EVER!!!! I get it that he's saying what Vince is feeling. But come on we can't watcha single match on monday or friday without wanting to shut the tv off or just watch it muted. He needs a filter, I get that he is the heel commentator now but seriously they need to back him off a little bit to make it watchable again.

 

[CleverName51]

I'm gonna say "Stone Cold Steve Austin" in 2001

SCSA in 2001 was not ready to be heel, his segments seemed forced and the audience still wanted to cheer him. It flopped poorly IMO

Second: Rob Van Dam, 2001...same thing, the audience wanted to cheer him, and it didn't work.

 

[Brewski]

I'm gonna say "Stone Cold Steve Austin" in 2001

SCSA in 2001 was not ready to be heel, his segments seemed forced and the audience still wanted to cheer him. It flopped poorly IMO

Second: Rob Van Dam, 2001...same thing, the audience wanted to cheer him, and it didn't work.

Yeah that's a good point. I remember being a raw in chicago in 2001 when he was on the wcw side and a big "come home" chant broke out. Everybody wanted Austin to be face.

 

[marklouis]

The Miz. He's mediocre to poor in the ring. And while everyone seems to think he is great on the mic, I don't get it. his promos are very robotic & clearly scripted. He's just not believable in any way.

 

[DiamondCaige]

Currently....Micheel Cole. (You see what I did there?) Alberto Fail Rio. (See what I did there?!"

Cole...self explanatory. He's a horrible heel that keeps getting shoved in my face week in and week out. He's half of what makes Raw so bad. Honestly now. Seriously, I've never remembered a more shoved down my throat heel in this long. And on top of that, he's shoving Twitter down my throat as well. I mean, I support that they're using free advertisement and it allows us to know what the real WWE Twitter accounts are, but I don't care when Alicia Fox trends. -__-

Now the only thing that makes Raw unbearable is when Fail Rio is champion, because Cole shoves that down our throats too. And he's boring. I can't take him seriously as champion and he just doesn't seem like he's the right guy to have won Royal Rumble or Money in the Bank. GOD!

 

[GameOver]

The Miz. He's mediocre to poor in the ring. And while everyone seems to think he is great on the mic, I don't get it. his promos are very robotic & clearly scripted. He's just not believable in any way.

That's just it, you don't get it, that doesn't mean he doesn't have it.
He's atleast trying, but i'd agree in part he is overdoing it and is forcing lothing of him by being such a jerk.

but the most annoying and forced down our throats atm is Michael Cole hands down, he's not even part of the in ring Heel/Face show, we are meant to be getting yet he's stealing spotlight from everyone because he wont KNOW HIS ROLE & SHUT HIS MOUTH.

See what i did there?

And he's still flip flopping between being totally heelish and being faceish sometimes in the same sentence.

in the past, it would be Austin when he went Alliance and as much as i usually put him on a pedistal Triple H in general. Trips whether he was heel or face tended to be taking the face of the company role being in most segments.

and on the WCW side it's just the nWo in general. It was fun to start with and a shocker but they just kept shoving more down everyone throats to the point it was rediculous. nWo shoulda stayed as a medium sized group like Evolution that just ran roughshot over everyone Face or Heel.

 

[mrfantastic111]

Cole and Vickie.

There is a difference between being a heel and being annoying.

A heel can be a bad guy but can still entertain you through interacting with a face. Cole is just annoying. He just sits there and bad mouths everyone. He makes watching WWE unbearable. At least with King and JBL you could listen to them because they were entertaining or called matches decently. Vickie is worse. She just stands at ring side and screams at nothing. It makes me feel embarrassed for the poor members of the audience who have to endure this torture in the front few rows.

 

[MasterHavik]

Let's Cole, Vickie, ADR, and the miz( a little)

Cole: Don't need to say anything here.

Vickie: She can get heat and everything, but my god she is fucking annoying. And whoever writes her lines is fucking stupid.

ADR: His English isn't that great, so it's kind of hard to hate him when he randomly jumps to Spanish out of nowhere. And what they write for him makes it seem like he didn't finish English in school. His vocab is very limited.

Miz: I know why people like him. He can talk, but it seems he is forcing himself to be back. He doesn't let flow it naturally. And he is kind of getting repetitive. He keeps bring up the same shit. He needs heel lessons from Matt Morgan and Joe.

Wait... I got more.

Ziggler: A cocky heel that can't do shit on his own. I'm still shock he said Vickie is beautiful. No respect man. No respect at all.

 

[TheTemp]

The Miz. Never have I EVER seen such a waste of television use. I'd rather watch the jersey shore, then watch anything with the Miz. Whenever he comes on, I make sure to change the channel.

 

[lenguy]

The Miz. Never have I EVER seen such a waste of television use. I'd rather watch the jersey shore, then watch anything with the Miz. Whenever he comes on, I make sure to change the channel.

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I have to agree one hundred fifty thousand percent. The Miz to me is just flat out uninteresting. The guy has no intimidating factor, just as Batista said. I just don't buy him as a top heel because it looks as if everybody on the roster could legitimately kick his ass. He's not exciting in the ring,his mic skills are very formalistic and very much the same. He's an over actor and his facial expressions are ridiculous and just aren't believable, he just tries way too hard.

When they put the belt on him I nearly stopped watching. The only thing he accomplished in his title reign was to pin Cena at Wrestlemania. Other than that his entire title reign was completely forgettable(and forget I have tried). If he was the must see WWE champion that he claims to be,why is it then that I changed the channel nearly every time he was on? Must see...yeah,whatever. More like must see somebody stick their boot up his ass. Miz is as plain as they come,he doesn't have any special trait or attribute other than an annoying mouth.

People can disagree with me all they want. My opinion is rock solid and not about to change.

 

[matty2thumbs]

Currently Ziggler. I don't understand why so many on the internet get behind him. Nothing about him is above average. He has had some good competitive matches but all that against his inability on the mic and his douchy look make him nothing more than an internet darling who ends up in multiple PPV matches. I never see him as someone worth my emotion, just someone who makes me want to change the channel.

All time I have to go with Honky Tonk Man. He held the IC title for way too long using a gimmick that got tired really fast. Jeff Jarrett is a close second to HTM.

You are ridiculous. Ziggler is THE BEST THING in the WWE right now. Everything about him is WELL above average. You are a fool.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

And this proves the inherent flaw in this thread. You think the Miz is someone who is pushed down our throats, you think he's only ok on the mic and below average in the ring. I, along with countless other people, could not disagree with you more.

Opinion is a flaw now.

I find him ok at times like during his feud with Cena and all the hoopla over the Rock coming to 'Mania this year. He actually impressed me a lot, because they were next to no expectations from him.

He might as well be written off the history books for that match because it was always, ALWAYS about Cena and The Rock. You could've put Koko B. Ware in his place and it wouldn't have a made a difference.

I think Miz is outstanding on the mic and very very good in the ring, I think he has earned everything that he's gotten and he absolutely deserves to be in the main event scene for years to come.

The Miz is a scripted talker which is average but someone like a Jericho, Punk, Hunter, Rock, Austin, Piper, Angle, HBK who improvise on the spot and react as per the situation are some of the greatest talkers in my book. Remember when the new Nexus w/ Punk met HBK, and HBK said " I don't do drugs as..." and Punk cut him off and said "Anymore!", ye that's what I'm talking about.

"Very very good in the ring"? How really? His matches are bland, he doesn't excite me as Orton would do at the moment. I have never sat through an entire Miz match, but I've shat through it.

One man's "guy who has been pushed down my throat" is another's "hugely talented star who is finally getting what he deserves."

True, if the WWE doesn't find anyone better he will stay where he is.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

Kind of a ridiculous idea. "Pushed down my throat" usually means "this guy who is pushed and is very over but I don't like him". Which is what this thread seems full of.

I'd say Renegade in WCW. he was pushed hard, didn't get over, still pushed, eventually depushed because he wasn't over at all. That's kind of how it works though. If you think a guy is being jammed down your throat, he's probably still over and you just personally don't like him.


Whoever is stupid enough to say that Miz isn't good on the mic, then says the bullshit line of "well X, Y, and Z improvised"...how do you know? I remember watching Beyond the Mat, Rock rehearsed his lines quite a bit. Also, the method doesn't matter, it's the results. Miz can get on the mic and get the crowd to boo him. He's good on the mic. Your own opinion doesn't matter, he's over. I remember him at a house show, main event is Orton vs Miz vs Cena, Miz comes out and gets a decent reaction. Then gets on the mic and soon the crowd is the loudest it ever was all night. Basically, when it comes down to what really matters, Miz is over and good. You don't like it, too bad. Miz could get a promo on a sandwich over (and has).

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

Kind of a ridiculous idea. "Pushed down my throat" usually means "this guy who is pushed and is very over but I don't like him". Which is what this thread seems full of.)

No it doesn't. It means a wrestler is in the top feuds, is getting mic-time and ring time to tell his story yet I really don't think he is all that great. Get your head outta your ass and stop splitting hairs.

Whoever is stupid enough to say that Miz isn't good on the mic, then says the bullshit line of "well X, Y, and Z improvised"...how do you know? I remember watching Beyond the Mat, Rock rehearsed his lines quite a bit. Also, the method doesn't matter, it's the results. Miz can get on the mic and get the crowd to boo him. He's good on the mic. Your own opinion doesn't matter, he's over. I remember him at a house show, main event is Orton vs Miz vs Cena, Miz comes out and gets a decent reaction. Then gets on the mic and soon the crowd is the loudest it ever was all night. Basically, when it comes down to what really matters, Miz is over and good. You don't like it, too bad. Miz could get a promo on a sandwich over (and has).

How do I know? By the miracle of vision. Because I've seen them improvise on my telly, think on their feet and quickly reacting and moulding their lines where I haven't seen The Miz do it, again on my TV. If you're gonna hold me not being their live? well it's your thousands in attendance to the millions watching at home. So who is more important?

Where did I say they didn't practise? Miz comes off as a scripted talker because he says all that there is in front of him, practises (like every one else), and that's all he does. And where oh where have I said he isn't over?
Christ man, your best retort is "Miz can get on the mic and get the crowd to boo him", Kozlov managed to do that as well. Will you now proceed to tell me it was the X-Pac heat not the good kinda heat? Instead of having to settle with the Miz for now, I'd like to go with some like a Jericho. Ye, it's my opinion and many concur and many contradict to it. For a lack of better option, he is over.

 

[TWJC: The Beginning]

No it doesn't. It means a wrestler is in the top feuds, is getting mic-time and ring time to tell his story yet I really don't think he is all that great. Get your head outta your ass and stop splitting hairs.




How do I know? By the miracle of vision. Because I've seen them improvise on my telly, think on their feet and quickly reacting and moulding their lines where I haven't seen The Miz do it, again on my TV. If you're gonna hold me not being their live? well it's your thousands in attendance to the millions watching at home. So who is more important?

Where did I say they didn't practise? Miz comes off as a scripted talker because he says all that there is in front of him, practises (like every one else), and that's all he does. And where oh where have I said he isn't over?
Christ man, your best retort is "Miz can get on the mic and get the crowd to boo him", Kozlov managed to do that as well. Will you now proceed to tell me it was the X-Pac heat not the good kinda heat? Instead of having to settle with the Miz for now, I'd like to go with some like a Jericho. Ye, it's my opinion and many concur and many contradict to it. For a lack of better option, he is over.

You basically said the same thing I said, just didn't point out how opinion-driven and selfish "pushed down my throat" is.

1) so you can tell what's improv and what's not? 2) again what does improv vs non improv have to do with being a good talker? Jeff Bridges is notorious for wanting exact direction in his roles, he's still a great actor isn't he?

Jericho is one of the best, being second to Jericho isn't anything bad. Miz is pretty damn good, he gets over every night. Like I said, your personal opinions aside, he's very over. Personally, I love Daniel bryan, I don't think he should be world champ, he's not that over. It's easy to seperate yourself if you just stand back and analyse.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

You basically said the same thing I said, just didn't point out how opinion-driven and selfish "pushed down my throat" is.

1) so you can tell what's improv and what's not? 2) again what does improv vs non improv have to do with being a good talker? Jeff Bridges is notorious for wanting exact direction in his roles, he's still a great actor isn't he?

Jericho is one of the best, being second to Jericho isn't anything bad. Miz is pretty damn good, he gets over every night. Like I said, your personal opinions aside, he's very over. Personally, I love Daniel bryan, I don't think he should be world champ, he's not that over. It's easy to seperate yourself if you just stand back and analyse.

First of all, my gripe here is you saying Miz is all that good, and is very over. I will debate with you if he is very over.

Let's imagine that tommorow he disappears from my TV screen and that void can be filled by any generic heel who can cut a basic heel promo.Now, Is Miz is very missable?

He is someone who is just filling up the space of top heel with average performances, is getting time in the ring and on the mic, because nobody better is being given a chance. 'Very Over' is someone who NEEDS to be there to play the foil to the face. Miz isn't a necessity, Heel Angle, Jericho, Hunter (please no held back arguments), Randy etc. were necessary because they just needed to be there and lose to the top guy to give him that much more credibility. I dunno what beating Miz will ever do for you.

Please, performing your finisher on Vickie one will do more for your approval than going in a feud with Miz.

Now, do I need to explain how his delivery is just average?

 

[CraigThe13th]

I would say that Triple H and JBL would be perfect examples of heels pushed down our throats. They dominated their respective shows as champions garnering a lot of air time. While they both were worthy champions and are both future hall of famers in my eyes they held the title too many times in HHH's case and too long in JBL's. I would say heel HHH and JBL were shoved down our throats. JBL especially as he jumped from tag-team mid-carder to WWE champ in weeks.

This is the old school thread so personally I wouldn't count Cole or Miz etc. If they were not both current characters I would class them too.

Whoever put down Renegade..... That guy was a face!

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

I would say that Triple H and JBL would be perfect examples of heels pushed down our throats. They dominated their respective shows as champions garnering a lot of air time. While they both were worthy champions and are both future hall of famers in my eyes they held the title too many times in HHH's case and too long in JBL's. I would say heel HHH and JBL were shoved down our throats. JBL especially as he jumped from tag-team mid-carder to WWE champ in weeks.

This is the old school thread so personally I wouldn't count Cole or Miz etc. If they were not both current characters I would class them too.

Whoever put down Renegade..... That guy was a face!

I will reply for Hunter now.

HHH was THE best heel available in the fall of 2002 and I'm glad he used all sort of tactics to go over the faces. When a heel goes over using all the underhanded ways that he can find, the man who beats him is immediately thrust into super stardom. It's a tried and tested technique and usually their loss comes at WrestleMania.

Now my problem with Hunter starts. He should've dropped the title to anybody, Booker, RVD, HBK, anybody, because the whole logic of a top heel keeping the title for a prolonged period is to push an up and comingface who eventually beats him into stardom.

Put The Miz in this logic. Would beating The Miz at 'Mania be the same as beating a Hunter or an Orton in their heel prime? I don't think so.

R-Truth is a better talker than Miz. You might think he spouts utter nonsense but the man is funny and so over the top that it's entertaining. Hell, Mark Henry saying " Do you think I'm in the mood for joking" when the crowd was chanting 'Sexual Chocoltae' is a heel thinking on his feet when the crowd is too loud to ignore! Miz is passable. I hope Ziggler takes his place (but changes his name).

JBL, best as commentator. I would never pay my money to see him, see him get beat up or anything.