The Miz US title run: Bullsh*t!!

[Ruthless-RKO]

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Quite simple really, I think the reason WWE gave him his long 224 days reign was so that the WWE universe can recognize THE MIZ, because he is holding a title with soo much history, people will see him title and they will see the guy holding it, I don't think at any point they gave him the title so he can actually defend it, just week and and out, coming out with the title to cut promos and hardly ever defending it...I did some research..

When he won the title from Kofi Kingston on Oct. 5th 2009, the first reason I believe they gave it him was so it can be IC vs US champion at Bragging Rights.. his title defences in his 7 months as champion where against the following:

1. November 16th vs. Montel Vontavious Porter
2. December 7th vs. Mark Henry
3. January 31st vs. Montel Vontavious Porter (Royal Rumble)
4. February 21st vs Montel Vontavious Porter (Elimination Chamber)
Final. May 17th vs. Bret Hart

IMO, had he not won the unified tag titles, his run could have been made much better..but thats wasn't the case and we saw him flashing the US title without really having to defend it much and have him show us how much the title meant to him!

Do you you think the title was given to him for the wrong reasons??

Thoughts?

PS. I am not bashing Miz in this thread nor do I hate him..

 

[Fuel The Fire]

Just like you said his unified tag titles may have interrupted his us title run but you want him to defend the tag titles and the us title at the same time?

Miz has brought prestige to the us title as so did Kofi.

Just because he had the tag titles with the us title does not mean that it makes his us title run less important. If anything it brings more prestige to the U.S title. Would we have paid as much attention to miz if he didnt have the us title? Would his quote of Im awesome mean as much with out a title around his waste?

Let's face it him having that title has done wonders for him and has helped elevate him to the main event status of where he is heading to right now. But ya your point of him holding the title may be just so we can see him but hey I think he will drop it to someone from nexus soon.

 

[Razor323]

wwe seriously needs to have more u.s championship matches . people forget abot tha u.s title all the time beacause its defended

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

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Quite simple really, I think the reason WWE gave him his long 224 days reign was so that the WWE universe can recognize THE MIZ, because he is holding a title with soo much history, people will see him title and they will see the guy holding it, I don't think at any point they gave him the title so he can actually defend it, just week and and out, coming out with the title to cut promos and hardly ever defending it...I did some research..

When he won the title from Kofi Kingston on Oct. 5th 2009, the first reason I believe they gave it him was so it can be IC vs US champion at Bragging Rights.. his title defences in his 7 months as champion where against the following:

1. November 16th vs. Montel Vontavious Porter
2. December 7th vs. Mark Henry
3. January 31st vs. Montel Vontavious Porter (Royal Rumble)
4. February 21st vs Montel Vontavious Porter (Elimination Chamber)
Final. May 17th vs. Bret Hart

IMO, had he not won the unified tag titles, his run could have been made much better..but thats wasn't the case and we saw him flashing the US title without really having to defend it much and have him show us how much the title meant to him!

Do you you think the title was given to him for the wrong reasons??

Thoughts?

PS. I am not bashing Miz in this thread nor do I hate him..

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

The U.S. Title hasn't had a decent feud since probably Chris Benoit vs. Booker T in 2005. Miz holding the U.S. Title has not elevated him into main event status for the simple fact is he hasn't defended it all that much.

I expect comparisons of what Miz did for the U.S. Title and what Orton did for the IC Title. In 2004 Orton defended his title against RVD, Foley, Benjamin, Edge, and probably others. Most importantly, almost all were defended on PPV. Miz maybe has defended it once or twice on PPV. Honestly, I think he would be in the same position he is now if he never won the title after Hart vacated it.

 

[Layorz]

When someone has multiple belts, it's not uncommon for the lesser of them to take a backseat to the other(s). I think they gave him the belt to help him on his way to the main event scene, and I think the same reasoning applies to the tag belts. He was competing weekly with other main eventers thanks to the tag belts.

Both title runs have and are achieving their purpose; that is, to elevate Miz to the main event while making him look strong. The guy knocked out the man who took out Triple Haytch, and it looked convincing. He beat down Mark Henry, and I believed every second of it. I expect Miz to ultimately drop the US belt (but probably still come out on top of whoever he feuds with) and cash in his contract to get the WWE title before years end.

Long story short, no, I don't think the US title was given to him for the wrong reasons, and I think it's achieved the intended result.

 

[Ruthless-RKO]

Long story short, no, I don't think the US title was given to him for the wrong reasons, and I think it's achieved the intended result.

So what you are saying is the title was given to him for the reason that it would elevate him to the main event scene, not for the fact that they even cared who held the title, just give it him so he looks good and people will recognize him!

A title shouldn't be given to someone for that reason especially of they aren't going to defend it,(I know the US and IC titles are like a stepping stone to the World titles, but sometimes that isn't the case) I think his US title run was a throw away due to the fact that he could have really added prestiege to the title by having some decent feuds with the title...when I look back at his US title run, I don't remember any good feuds, I just remember him holding the title on his shoulder!

Is this what we're going to expect from his WWE title runs aswell??

 

[DX98folife]

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Quite simple really, I think the reason WWE gave him his long 224 days reign was so that the WWE universe can recognize THE MIZ, because he is holding a title with soo much history, people will see him title and they will see the guy holding it, I don't think at any point they gave him the title so he can actually defend it, just week and and out, coming out with the title to cut promos and hardly ever defending it...I did some research..

When he won the title from Kofi Kingston on Oct. 5th 2009, the first reason I believe they gave it him was so it can be IC vs US champion at Bragging Rights.. his title defences in his 7 months as champion where against the following:

1. November 16th vs. Montel Vontavious Porter
2. December 7th vs. Mark Henry
3. January 31st vs. Montel Vontavious Porter (Royal Rumble)
4. February 21st vs Montel Vontavious Porter (Elimination Chamber)
Final. May 17th vs. Bret Hart

IMO, had he not won the unified tag titles, his run could have been made much better..but thats wasn't the case and we saw him flashing the US title without really having to defend it much and have him show us how much the title meant to him!

Do you you think the title was given to him for the wrong reasons??

Thoughts?

PS. I am not bashing Miz in this thread nor do I hate him..

add in

November 2nd: vs. Evan Bourne
December 28th: vs Kofi Kingston

All of which he's evaded the 30 day Compete clause.

HOWEVER, what killed his run is from Wrestlemania on which he held the unified tag team championship(s). Its pretty sad that during that time the U.S. title was used in name only and wasn't defended at all. His first title defense since losing the title came to a loss against Bret Hart.

To me him holding the title is killing it. R-truth fell victim to Miz's overness and wound up losing the title within a matter of weeks. Why have the title change hands at all? Wouldnt it of made sense to keep the belt on him for one long reign? I guess they wanted to give Bret Hart a moment in Montreal but there were better ways of doing it.

 

[Layorz]

So what you are saying is the title was given to him for the reason that it would elevate him to the main event scene, not for the fact that they even cared who held the title, just give it him so he looks good and people will recognize him!

What I'm saying is the US title is used in two ways. One, as a mid card draw, two, as a way to push talent into the main event. I'm saying they chose the second one, and it has worked. The US title is not used to build prestige on itself, that's up to the quality of matches and the way it is booked. Right now, it's being booked to push Miz. There's nothing wrong with that, especially as it is working. And even then, how does a future world champ holding the US belt notgive it prestige? Miz walks to the ring with the belt around his waist and the contract in his hand. The US champ beat 7 other guys, including Randy Orton, Edge, and Jericho to virtually claim the WWE title. I really do not see whats wrong with either of the Miz's US title runs, seeing as they have and are achieving their purpose.

 

[marklouis]

The US & IC titles have the same problem-neither are defended. Look @ the MITB PPV. Neither belt was defended, b/c both the Miz & Kofi were in ladder matches. Neither title was defended @ Wrestlemania-the Miz was in a tag title match, & Drew McIntyre was in the MITB match. When you don't contest these titles on the biggest stage, they are diminished. They should be defended @ every PPV, & if they wanted the Miz to win MITB, then they should have let R Truth keep the US Title. Now they're going to restart that feud. Why? They should've finished that feud before MITB, & let the Miz focus on the WWE title now. As for the Miz's title run, it has been a joke. I don't care how long it's lasted, the quality of both the matches & competition have been pathetic.

 

[CJ The Pirate]

I can't see the problem here. The Miz won it from Kofi Kingston who, during his run, defended it blindly against whoever decided to challenge for it that month without any real storyline to go along with it. Miz won the belt from him by entering into a story where he sought after the US Title. It was a very personal thing for him and it didnt matter that Kofi was champion. He was only interested in the championship. Miz has since come out and made impact after impact on the mic, constantly mentioning the US Title belt in his promos and using it as a platform to launch him into stardom.

And that list shows nothing by the way. It shows the Miz defending his title once a month until Wrestlemania where by way of recent tradition the Mid Card belts are never defended. Once a month isn't that unusual for a heel and 3 of those 4 defences were against MVP and the other against Mark Henry who was teaming with MVP at that time. This was a long programme and I honestly can't see a problem with that. The two defences at PPV's in January and February actually make the title look good. Most of the time the WWE Title is only defended once a month, at PPV's, which noone moans about. It makes them appear more prestigious. The same happened with the US title at that time.

Then Wrestlemania came around and the Tag Belts were in Miz' possession. Bear in mind that those Tag belts were being heavily pushed last year. Also note that all the viable midcarders to compete for the US Title were in the MITB match. Only one can get defended and the option of having 4 guys in a wrestlemania match for the Tag Belts is surely a more attractive selling point than 2 guys in a US title match. I'm sure Big Show and The Harts think so anyway.

The Miz's run has been fine. Bret taking it off him was the worst thing that has happened during it.

 

[JoeyDice88]

What the Fuck does every one SEE in the MIZ? Jesus christ will the IWC get off his goddamn nutz? Yea sure he can cut a DECENT promo..He's not Rock,thats for sure.His in ring skills are DECENT,but if he jumped to TNA the ratings would NOT go down not a bit...His U.S. Title run is a sham..Yea I'll probably be spammed because the IWC is a bunch of fucks that cant take other peoples opinion..God NO please dont say anything bad about the MIZ..HE LOVES THE IWC!....Right

 

[JoeyDice88]

Daniel Bryan and Kaval are people we should be Discussing not the Fucking MIZ..Come on now..His Name IS THE MIZ..does that sound like a Name that would carry the company? He's kissing vince's ass just like CENA did..I watched maybe 5 minutes of raw this past monday and seen The miz almost cash his $$ in the bank breifcase in..Changed the channel with the quickness...Smackdown..Now thats a Good Show..More than 4 matches every night,performers who DESERVE title shots...KANE,TAKER,Mysterio,SWAGGER,BIG SHOW..Not fucking "U cant see me,U cant see me" Or "Im the Miz....and I'm...AWFULL!"

 

[kcordloh]

I think everyone expects to much from the US and IC titles. It's not like winning one instantly elevates you, or ever has. Sheamus winning the WWE Title didn't instantly make him a threat, it's all in how you are booked. Umaga didn't make the IC title worth alot even though Umaga defended it and squashed most people he faced.

The Miz is holding the US Title to elevate him, and I honestly think the US Title is becoming more valueable being on him. Think about it, the guy who beat down R-truth and made him unable to compete in MITB (one of Cena's backup guys also), the guy who defeated former world champs Jericho, Edge, Orton; the guy who essentially has the guaranteed World Title Reign in hand is walking around with that belt. Has does that not elevate it?

Remember Shelton Benjamin? He had ***-****1/4 matches for the IC Title all the time he held it, and the belt meant nothing more for it. The US Title means more now then when Kofi held it.

 

[JoeyDice88]

When did The MIZ beat edge or orton or Y2j? What the fuck is this dude above me smoking? If your referring to the MITB match that does not mean he beat edge orton y2j...what the fuck is wrong with the wrestling fans nowadays?

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

I think everyone expects to much from the US and IC titles. It's not like winning one instantly elevates you, or ever has. Sheamus winning the WWE Title didn't instantly make him a threat, it's all in how you are booked. Umaga didn't make the IC title worth alot even though Umaga defended it and squashed most people he faced.

The Miz is holding the US Title to elevate him, and I honestly think the US Title is becoming more valueable being on him. Think about it, the guy who beat down R-truth and made him unable to compete in MITB (one of Cena's backup guys also), the guy who defeated former world champs Jericho, Edge, Orton; the guy who essentially has the guaranteed World Title Reign in hand is walking around with that belt. Has does that not elevate it?

Remember Shelton Benjamin? He had ***-****1/4 matches for the IC Title all the time he held it, and the belt meant nothing more for it. The US Title means more now then when Kofi held it.

I'm sure people thought the same thing when Orton became the youngest heavyweight champion and how good it did for him holding the IC Title. Problem is that it took until 2009 arguably with Mysterio and Jericho to make the belt relevant because of their great matches. I don't hate the Miz but I'm not a fan of his yet because I haven't seen him consistently produce great matches in singles competition. That's one way that a midcard title can elevate somebody. We're in different times because of the creation of Money In The Bank. I would like to believe that Miz would be in the same position if MITB hadn't been created, but it could be highly unlikely.

 

[Layorz]

When did The MIZ beat edge or orton or Y2j? What the fuck is this dude above me smoking? If your referring to the MITB match that does not mean he beat edge orton y2j...what the fuck is wrong with the wrestling fans nowadays?

You're whats wrong. Quit being a whiny tool.

Yes, Miz did beat Edge, Orton, and Jericho. Just like Jericho would have beaten Edge, Orton, and Miz if he had of won the MITB match. You don't like the booking? Stop watching. You don't like where this conversation is heading? Get out of the topic. Seriously, looking forward to your future endeavors, all you've done is enter this topic abusing people for not thinking like you.

Miz is a future WWE champ, and there's nothing your little whine fest can do about it. Grow up.

 

[MisterRob]

I think too much is made out of defending or not defending a championship like the US title. Yes, it’s definitely good if the championship is defended because everyone likes to see a title match and the aura that brings for the fans compared to a regular match. It’s also nice to see a champion who regularly defends it and is a “fighting champion”, but that doesn’t mean that has to be the way everyone’s run with the US (or any) title has to be to be effective. In fact it makes more sense for a heel to defend it less, because he’s not going to want to chance losing it and he’s not going to have a “fighting champion” mentality in most cases.

Also, it’s not always about the level or number of defenses a champion has during his reign that makes a good champion, but it has to do with the champion himself. A champion can be just as effective, just as credible, and have just as important a reign as champion without defending it often at all. Even if Miz is not defending the actual title he’s always the US champion in everything he does. So every appearance he makes, every match he does have, every feud he’s in he’s representing himself as the US champion. So if he’s having great matches, great feuds, and having a great run in GENERAL then he’s still looking like a credible and prestigious US champion because the guy holding the title is credible and worthy. And recently Miz has been built up extremely well, he’s defeated top stars, and all while representing the US championship.

So I think people are judging defending the title too much and not taking into account all the other variables about Miz simply BEING a champion.

 

[The Crock]

The belt was not given to him for the wrong reasons, his reign has just been mismanaged. He won the Unifed Tag Titles midway through his reign, and only focused on keeping those... of course he wouldn't have time to defend his US Title... it's common sense. When he got the belt it elevated him to another level so I definitely think that this has made him much more "legit", so the title reign has worked out.

 

[RT]

I think Miz has gotten everything he deserves. Vince has said on countless occasions that Miz is a work horse so in that fact i think he deserves the titles he's been getting. I think having the US title around his waist has elevated him to a whole new level and in my mind he can only get better. Miz has stepped up his game since being awarded these titles so to me also the title reign has worked out smoothly.

 

[TJ Matics]

I agree w/ Layorz,
The U.S title is used for 2 things,
1.Mid-Card draw,
2.Elevate young talent
& I like 2 better,
When you use the belt to bring someone up,
Like they did w/ The Miz,
It's much more entertaining,
When it's used for mid-card drawl
Kofis reign
The title just get passed around blindly,
In between 2-3 month feuds
IMO

 

[The Holy One]

I do believe the Miz reign as champion was given to him for the wrong reason. For people who have said that the U.S. title built Miz as a contender, I disagree b/c the Miz got over due to his promo skills and in-ring abilities which for the most part were shown during his tag team with the Big Show or his brief fued with Morrison but the U.S. title was never shown as a important part of the fued. The Miz could have been in the same position b/c of this without ever hold the U.S. title. As for defending the championship while the Miz did do this at the beginning, he never had a defining fued or match for the title like Cena had with Booker or Orton had with Foley for the IC title and I think this hurt the U.S. title b/c it was never showcased in a proper fued unless you count the one promo and two thrown in matches with MVP and even then Mark Henry and the Big Show were brought in. I don't think the U.S. title helped the Miz get over nor do I think the Miz helped bring prestige to the U.S. title. Hopefully, he will be able to do this with Evan Bourne or whoever this time as champ.

 

[justinsayne]

Have people forgotten about this...

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You ever think Miz was given back the title so that he could create history with it, much like Jericho did when he became the first ever Undisputed World Champion, Miz could become the first guy to ever hold both the US and WWE title, it would give him something that nobody would be able to take away from him, Angle had his Olympic Gold medals, Jericho had the First ever Undisputed World Champ, HBK was the first ever grandslam champion, Flair has is 16 time world champ, etc.

I think the main reason they put the US title back on Miz so fast was because they knew they were going to give him MITB, and want him be to a major star and part of the future of the company, so they figured they'd give him something historic to accomplish, something that could make him stand out from the everyone else

As for not defending the title, anyone remember a guy named Honky Tonk Man, dude held the IC belt for like 454 days and things worked out pretty well for him, people need to remember the titles are essentially just props when it all comes down to it

 

[GardenStateSaint]

Personally I do see The Miz being the first wrestler to win the Money In The Bank and cashing it in and being the first wrestlers to actually lose. First off The Miz is still US champion and I just cant see The Miz being both US and WWE champion at the same time.

I think the WWE will play out The Miz being the first wrestler to cash in the Money In The Bank and being the first wrestler to lose storyline longer than usual so it can build up The Miz's push even more.

Discuss...

 

[Hawkeye]

I don't know if this has any meaning to you guys or not but tonight at the live event he said he wasn't going to defend the title until he cashes in.The GM obviously took exception to it tho and is gonna make sure he defends it regularly.

 

[tRKOj]

I attended WrestleMania 26 this year it was my first WWE event ever and i really thought the mid card titles should hav been defended at the the Showcase of the Immortals (lol i lov that name) but thats my oppinion on that now 2 the topic at hand.

Miz should defend regularly. Miz and MVP had a great fued goin back in January and 4 some reason it stalled out. Bret Hart should never had touched the title and R-Truth should hav held on 2 it longer and hav Miz chase him 4 the title so we could see a lil more of Miz in the ring. Now i like the Miz and i'm a fan of his work he truly has gotten so much better since his first WWE match ever its almost hard 2 describe how much better he is but the Miz should hav 2 defend regularly i say every other ppv so it dont get stale but i think he'll drop it 2 Evan Bourne sometime after SummerSlam