The Miz Buried

[mcflyboy]

As a quick reply to the last comment by crashfellow, I already believe that randy orton is dull as hell.

But anyways, I think that the Miz's feud with John Cena wasn't so much a push for the Miz. I mean come on, no one actually thought the Miz would come out on top by the time that was over, did they?

I think it was more of a temporary thing for the Miz to do. They wanted to keep him on TV because he's good on the mic, but there wasn't currently anyone viable for him to feud with. At the time it started, Cena was injured too, so I think it worked out exactly how it was planned. Now Miz has been squashed (although I do agree that he could have been made to look more viable and better than he did), he can move on to something else at more of the midcard level.

Problem is, I'm not sure what that is right now. They teased a big show/miz showdown, but now that show is with the tag team that is out. It looks like MVP might be feuding with Masters now. There is Kofi I suppose. And maybe have swagger feud with bourne, and if miz defeats kofi, then bourne could challenge miz for the title?

I guess we'll see.

 

[SavageTaker]

But for real, this is another classic example of the terrible booking the WWE is letting take place.

The last thing the WWE has done with The Miz is bury him, it’s not terrible booking if you let a guy who hasn’t even proven himself as a mid-carder lose to an already established main-eventer and face of the company.

I don’t know if it’s because they have so many guys, or their focus (as usual) is around Triple H,

Is this really your excuse? Please find me a better one. I am so tired for everyone blaming Triple for everything. Let me guess, if tomorrow some terrorists attack the Statue of Liberty, it’s going to be Triple H’s fault too? On Raw there has been way more focus than anything else on Randy Orton and Legacy. They’ve have been getting more focus than anything but as usual you have to use Triple H as a scapegoat. Give me a better excuse please.

but what currently is happening is complete garbage.

So Miz losing to a main-eventer is garbage? Even though Miz hasn’t even proven he’d make a good mid-carder. Get off of your love for the Miz and realize that right now he is mid-carder that has yet to prove himself. Mid-carders simply do not go over main-eventers.

They have so many great Superstars that are not getting used correctly, and it doesn’t seem like their trying to do anything to fix it.

Did you just call Miz a great superstar…? What have you seen him do as a singles superstar? The answer to that would be nothing. The only good match he has had was with John Cena and that’s it. All he has right now is his mic work and that’s it. He hasn’t shown us he can put on a good match with a mid-carder or someone else that isn’t in the main-event. He has done nothing else and I’m not going to sit here and call him a great superstar until I see something from him.

Why did the Diva's get another 6 women tag? I understand why they have the Diva's and the need to have them on the show, but tag matches for Diva's when you can’t even have 2 on 2 men’s tag matches on a regular basis? Seriously wtf.

They give the diva’s more airtime because unlike Miz they are draws. People at home sit there and see them. While on the flip-side, why would they constantly put on 2 men tag matches, and I don’t mean random wrestlers tagging together, when most of the time people get bored of them and they don’t draw as much as the diva’s.

The Miz should have been getting a good push,

Why? What has he done? He was in a tag team with Morrison that held the tag champions, then they broke up, then The Miz attacked Morrison, and then he began a mini-feud with Cena. What has he done to deserve a push? As a matter of fact, he was pushed when he was feuding with Cena, but other than that he hasn’t been pushed and he doesn’t deserve it. Again I tell you, get off of your blind love for him and open your eyes because he doesn’t deserve a push. Just because he was part of a successful tag-team, it does not warrant a single’s push. He has yet to prove himself and until he does so he doesn’t deserve to be getting anymore pushes.

but having him lose to Cena 3 times in a row does nothing to help build him up.

What? It helps him tons. It gives him instant credibility because he’s getting to work with a main-eventer and face of the company. It gives him a ton of credibility because he didn’t even go through the mid-card; he went straight to working with a main eventer when he debuted.

Neither does having Swagger lose to Bourne,

Let’s see it doesn’t hurt Jack Swagger at all. He had just won a match the week before and Evan didn’t get a win in a match for 2 weeks. It doesn’t help Swagger but it also doesn’t hurt me because of the way he lost the match. Anyways, Jack can win another match this coming week on Raw and any harm that was done will wash away…even though there was no harm done.

or having MVP lose another match via double DQ Count out. Didn’t he lose to Big Show the same way in June?

How does that hurt him at all? It doesn’t help him at all or hurt him. He lost via a DQ and not a pin or submission, he didn’t get hurt at all by having one loss…especially a DQ loss.

You bring back Chris Masters, but you still don’t use anyone else correctly?

There are using perfectly fine. You’re just letting you man love with The Miz get in the way seeing things clearly.

What’s the point, we all know Masters will hit 3 wellness violations within the next 6 months and be right back out the door.

This is a ridiculous statement. You do know he quit right…? It’s pretty obvious that he was on some sort of steroids in the past but is now clean. I ask you, can you predict the future?

There is no way on this earth that he's not using roids,

Compare a picture of him from 2, 3 years ago to a picture now and you can tell he is off of anything he might have been on.

but I guess if Triple H and Batista can get away with it, Masters should be able to as well....Right?

Yeah…where’s your prove that they did steroids? Oh Yeah, you don’t have any.

It’s all Horrible Garbage.

Then how about you quit whining and just stop watching if that’s what you think.

All the future main eventers are there, but from the looks of it, we won’t see them main eventing for 3-5 years

Can you predict the future? I don’t think so. They aren’t going to be main-eventing in 3-5 years; it will be less than that. Look at a lot of today’s main eventers; it didn’t take 5 years for some of them to get into the main-event. Some of them started main eventing after a couple of years. Right now they’re in the building up stage, which they need before getting pushed into the main-event scene.

at their current jobbertastic rate.

None of them are jobbers. Do you even know what the definition of a jobber is?

 

[Wrath]

The Miz did not get buried.He got the push of his life by losing to John Cena 3 times in row.Yeah you heard me right.It doesn't matter if they were squash 10 seconds.You'll ask me how.How can someone who may be the future of the company got push of his life by losing to John Cena.The answer is in your question.Look at the words that I've typed dark.I know you still can't get the point.The biggest thing people can't understand about putting over is if a young up and comer(Let's call him X) pinned a veteran or someone who is higher position(Let's call him Y) than him it means Y put X over in their book.Losing to someone is a way to put someone over but this works if his opponent is only one step above him other than that it would only hurt the man who is in the higher position's credibility.But there are more ways to put someone over.By making your opponent good look in the match but still getting the victory.For example Cena vs Swagger or Christian vs Ryder from last ECW.You can ask me Cena didn't do any of these how did Cena gave Miz biggest push of his lifetime.They pushed The Miz by using Cena's popularity.Yeah it's a way of putting someone over.When he was teaming with Morrison everyone thought he would be nothing more than a upper midcarder when he breaks up and will always be in lower position than Morrison.When he started to insult Cena in his promos you started to think that he has ME material and even in this forums people started to start up threads like is Miz the next big thing.Yeah he was thought to be nothing more than upper midcarder when he was teaming up with Morrison and when he started insulting Cena and drawing good heat some people even thought that he can suprass Morrison.That's why everyone thinks The Miz is buried he got noticed in everyone's mind as a future ME and when he lost to Cena you thought his push was dead.No his push has done it's purpose it made Miz a solid midcarder/uppermidcarder from lower midcarder whose biggest win was against Finlay.Right now he is considered as the future US champion candidate and has still a bright future but WWE got what they wanted.Right now no one sees him as a shadow of Morrison instead the future of the company.How he got this notice in our heads.By feuding with the top star of the company.Finally did you understand why Miz didn't get buried and without Cena the best thing he could do was feuding with a midcard to prove us if he has ME potential.

 

[Chill]

The Miz is not being buried at all in my opinion. The man is coming off the heels of a feud with the biggest star in the company in John Cena and on the most recent RAW he got to face Cena again. Ok, so some people might argue that the Miz got owned in a lot of his series with Cena, maybe he did but they did have a match the next night after the Bash where Miz was permitted to look better.

I think the WWE have been very generous with this guy, when he was initially traded to RAW I thought he would have been buried but instead the opposite has occurred...he has been given reasonable TV time and has been allowed a run out with John Cena. The thing is, in my opinion, whether Miz ever beat Cena or not is really beside the point...the main thing is that he got the opportunity to rub shoulders with a legitimate main eventer, he got the experience of working in the main event before he even proved himself as a mid carder on RAW!

Overall, there's no doubt, in my mind at least, that Miz has the charisma and reasonable ring skills to succeed on the so called 'flagship' of the WWE...but I don't see him getting buried, I think WWE are currently testing him in the upper mid card/main event before they will likely build him up in the mid card. The success he experiences there will most likely determine his status on RAW in the future...

 

[lifeindecember]

Didn't you say that about Masters? I do agree though, I think Miz could have a good run with the US Title and feud it with Swagger or MVP and eventually drop it to Bourne.

 

[SK]

I think The Miz has a great future, especially seeing as he was just in a feud with the top star in the WWE, and made to look dominating and credible in one match.

It really annoys me when people say that Miz was buried because he wasn't, he was never supposed to beat Cena, and why would he? Cena's the biggest star in WWE, why should a young up and comer beat him in their first few matches, at least this way they can build Miz up properly and when he finally does beat Cena, it will seem bigger.

As for The Miz's future, if he continues to improve, he could main event, size is obviously a disadvantage to him, but not all main eventers are huge. He hasn't been buried and as long as he doesn't fuck up, I strongly doubt he will be buried.

 

[Exist2Inspire51]

I think that The Miz is underrated and is being underused. He needs to be given the US Title and see what he can do with it. He was doing real well and then gets buried by Cena. His match with Cena was good and he should have beat him. I think that Miz will have the US Title in about 6 months at the latest and he will probably enter the ME by this time next year.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Buried? buried HOW exactly? By being in a multi man match on PPV for a mid card title on the A show? Remind me the last time he did that. Buried having weekly character developing segments with the premier diva in WWE? When was the last time he did that? Buried by coming fresh off a feud with a man who is a multi time world champion, and whom has Main Evented four Wrestlemanias?

Right. How about we be serious in the future. He cant win every fucking week. The man's name isnt damn Goldberg.

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

To say Miz is being buried is absurd. Like, NorCal said, you can't win every match unless you're last name is Goldberg or Hogan. Miz is being developed and a niche for him is being found. I can also assure you that Miz has a lot of input on his character. I can't see anything short of a US title reign in his future. If not, then he'll still be one of the more over superstars in the WWE simply because he has great wrestling intelligence. If you notice, Miz does the subtle things to get heel reactions from the crowd. He has them thinking that he's better than them, hence they boo him. It's simple ring psychology, and the Miz thrives at that.

Just because he's not wrestling in big matches every week doesn't mean he's being buried. Dolph Ziggler was only in a tag match on Smackdown, doesn't mean he's being buried. Trust me, Miz is only just beginning to find his way in the WWE and the brass knows that. He'll be fine.

 

[Nascarman]

Miz is awsome i think he has what it takes to ME. Just not now he needs a long U.S. title run like Jeff hardy or randy Orton Had with Intercontinal title. He Could Carry the Mid Card for Bulk up Then win Money in the bank Befor you know it he is fighting cena agin but win and Earn a ME spot. Someone need to ME. is stale and boring Miz and Jack swagger Belong there next year

 

[richjb777]

I'll be honest I really was into Miz...He had a certain energy on the mic and didn't sound like a robot...I am getting tired of the same things again and again...Miz entertains me. WWE really needs to get these midcard guys into the spot light...

 

[Kesteral]

To Smackdown I guess.. Surely he was a better fit on RAW but maybe if they want to push him as a main event talent Smackdown is the place to go. You're not going to get anywhere in the RAW main event scene, no one's broken through that in 3 years.

 

[futuredraftpick3]

Wow!! This really sucks. The Miz was something fresh for Raw, When he spoke it didn't feel as scripted as other wrestlers. Now he will have to go Smackdown, which I don't watch cuz its on a friday, come on wrestling isn't my friday plan. If they send him to ECW he is on the way toward the future endeavours list. The Miz has definitly been buried.

And personally Raw will be in my hometown soon and wanted to see Miz, but i'm sure another HHH/Orton match will be worth money. YEahh!!!!!

 

[La Mascara]

Long term...this move helped his career. There was no way in hell he was going to be in the main event while in Raw. Eventually he would have been buried. Going to Smackdown will help him. He can feud with anyone over there and seem like a legitimate threat. He will be build to the main event scene. Smackdown is where the future main-eventers are made.

 

[AnthonyMango/NoFate007]

If Miz goes to Smackdown, he cuts into Dolph Ziggler's chances of moving up. Though this is a possibility due to Jericho moving back and forth, that they might just want Miz to be a permanent Smackdown fixture because of that.

If Miz goes to ECW, he cuts into Zack Ryder's chances of moving up. I hope this doesn't happen, either, because that screws up the heel/face balance even more than it already is. ECW's faces are absolutely pathetic. Christian is the only one with any credibility. Then there's Tommy Dreamer, Goldust, Yoshi Tatsu, and Tyler Reks. Four jobbers and Christian. But for heels, there's Ezekiel, Paul Burchill, Sheamus, Shelton, Kozlov, Regal, and Ryder. Totally unfair.

Miz on Raw was a mistake in the first place seeing as how we all knew he wasn't going to survive against the likes of Batista, Cena, and HHH. Vince and company isn't going to focus on someone up and coming like Miz when they have those 3 taking up every single writer's spotlight. Hopefully wherever he moves, it works out that not only does Miz benefit and get the proper push he deserves, but he also doesn't step on anyone else's chances for advancement on top of it. Maybe a trip to Smackdown will let Miz do what's best for his career - but in the same time, its going to make Raw even less watchable, which makes it borderline on "unwatchable" the way things are going right now.

 

[hArdyPUNKmArk]

I hope Miz doesn't go to Smackdown to do a stupid fucking feud with Morrison yet. I don't want that at all, Morrison is moving up and would be brought down by a feud with Miz. Miz needed to be RAW but he needed to be elevated not dominated by the likes of Cena and co.

To begin with I thought his feud with Cena wasn't a burial but now I am leaning towards it. Cena made him look good despite winning but this latest match has cemented him as buried. How could Miz not beat Cena when all the lumberjacks were going after Cena, I really thought this was a good time to have Miz go over Cena without having Cena look too weak leading up to SummerSlam.

I really hope he isn't going to be paired back into a feud with Morrison over on Smackdown... Wow, there really isn't much for him on any show now that I think about it....

o oh....

 

[barley96]

WWE should either make a star or not. If WWE wants to make a star, they should stay committed. The Miz is getting the same treatment as MVP. It looks as if he will get a push and than BAM! Back to the midcard. Looks as if The Miz is going to be in the same situation.

 

[Rob S.]

I agree, MVP was so ready when he called out Orton on that night oafter the draft then they let him slip back into the US title picture, it seemed like he was at least gonna have a mega title run but lost it very quickly!
Looking forward to how they bring the Miz back after being banned tho.

 

[mareek]

If miz doesnt go to ECW then he'll be released real soon.

 

[Suneeboy]

One of the reasons why I don't watch WWE Programming anymore. Can we all admit that we have settled for less? WWE is to wrestling what American Idol is to music, commercialized, gimmicky, and smoke and mirrors. The Miz was buried when he lost to Cena in a beat the clock challenge in what was what always happens between the two, a squash match. What kills is how Cena does it in Superman fashion every time.

I wait for the day when I can return to watch my beloved WWE Programming, but they continue to push me away, with reasons such as this. What a waste.

 

[Blade]

You Miz marks are morons.
Losing last night on Raw was probably the best thing that could happen to the Miz. He never stood a chance on Raw. There's main eventers in the uppermidcard on Raw, so he was never gonna get past the upper midcard.
On Smackdown he'll have a great chance to flourish like people want him to.
There's talk that Miz will take Ziggler's place as top upper midcard heel. Well... Good. Neither of them are ready to be in the main event, but is definately a whole lot closer to it than Ziggler. Ziggler needs a couple more years while Miz could be challenging for the title by this time next year.
I know it wouldn't work, but they need to turn The Miz face. Or at least turn another current Smackdown heel face. CM Punk is going to be champion after Summerslam, and there's only so many times Punk can fight John Morrison. I know Undertaker is coming back as well, but I doubt Punk will be dropping the title to Taker since Taker supposedly doesn't wanna be champion. Although perhaps by that time Edge will be back as a face...
I don't know, whatever. But Miz turning up on Smackdown will be a good thing, so celebrate Miz fans.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

And yet we continue with the "Miz was buried" talk.

How was the Miz buried? Wasn't he in the main event of RAW the past two weeks? I think so. If he was being buried, he would have been beaten by everybody and wouldn't have gotten a sniff of the main event of anything. It's too crowded for him as it is on RAW with Kofi, Swagger, MVP, Bourne, Carlito, and Primo. This would be the perfect opportunity for him to go to ECW or Smackdown where he is better off. The Miz did not get buried people but I expect a slew of posters telling me I'm wrong which I expect within the next 24 hours.

 

[Rob S.]

yeah I agree, Miz seemed to be feeling a temporary gap for a Cena punch bag after people were sick of his fights with Show and HHH got another shot at Orton, Cena needed a fued to last a PPV or two so he had someone to fight, something that happens to a lot of main-event superstars now, i'm not just talking about fueds, but fueds with guys who, well, don't fit in. Miz to ECW to be a major contendor there might be gd, bt i doubt they'd put him back there.

 

[The Palace of Wisdom]

The Miz off Raw is best for him. Where does he go after losing time and time again, and QUICKLY, to Cena? Nowhere.

Send him to ECW, and he's an immediate ECW Title contender. Send him to Smackdown, he's an immediate Intercontinental Title threat. Plus, we could potentially get a decent resolution to the Miz/Morrison feud that never happened.

 

[RatedRMetalStar]

Okay, so This thought crossed my mind last night so hear me out. Its all completely hypothetical but reeks in awesomeness.

#1 Vince is unhappy with his product.
#2 Wants Miz in a Main Event.

So too shake things up, They announce a Fatal 4-Way at SummerSlam for the WHC. Jeff Hardy, CM Punk, John Morrison, and the winner of a #-man Over-The-Top Battle Royal, Where the Miz makes his arrival and wins! This would be a perfect opportunity to take the Miz to the top. With Edge being out, and most likely coming back as a face, why not have the Miz have an "Ultimate Opportunist Type" profile? He could hold titles and even if they would be controversial victories, it would have a similar effect to Edge's character thus, boosting his popularity even further.