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The Miz Buried

Nate DaMac

Fuck erbody but me
After all that buildup, after seemingly backing The Miz as a possible Main Event calibur contender, he has been bitchsmacked right back down to a mid carder. I think it was a HORRIBLE move to have him in a glorified squash match at The Bash. The next night on Raw he had a better showing and carried the match. But in the end he was still buried. This not a Cena hate thread, so please refrain from the "cena sux!!1" bullshit. I just wanna know your thoughts on how the situation was handled. Do you think it's over? If so, where does The Miz go from here?
 
I don't think he was really buried. He's a cowardly heel with an unimpressive build - it makes sense for Cena to beat him like that. It didn't do him any damage.

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like it did him much good either. That feud was really interesting with its slow build-up. The quick blow-off was unexpected and underwhelming. Miz losing the feud, and losing it emphatically isn't the problem. The problem was doing it so quickly.
 
The Miz was portrayed strong on the mic and well ... portrayed as a coward but never as a real danger to Cena and well he was buried at the Bash.

Was he finished off to fast ? Yes he was.
 
How is he buried? He has gone from opening ECW, not getting on WrestleMania when Santino in drag did and never having any meaningful singles matches to being in a big feud on Raw with the biggest superstar. He has gone from lower mid card to upper mid card in one feud. It is a phenomenal rise. He had a good enough showing on Raw (the event that had the most viewers) to be a legitimate US champion in the next month. He isn't in the same league as Cena, he didn't deserve anything else from the feud. He is better off now than he was before the feud, I don't see the problem.
 
He was not buried at all, this is exactly what should have happened. The Miz ran his mouth at Cena without backing it up, and then when they finally did square off at The Bash, Miz was proved to be all talk. This furthered the stroyline, because the next night he came out with fire and even though he lost, he looked credible in doing so, showing that he can go toe to toe with Cena, which clearly elevated him, as he looked a threat to Cena (even though Cena does need to start to sell more at the end of matches, but I digress).

But I saw everyone in the LD and on here complaining that he was 'buried', but I don't see how. He was in a main event match on PPV with the star of the company, having some of the best promo packages and given lots of time to talk every week, and he ended up looking like he could be a threat to Cena. There is no way The Miz should have gone over Cena, because that would make Cena look weak, when really Cena had to be shown as the strong one, and that The Miz might have had the talk, but not the walk (yet anyway).
 
Sure, Miz lost to Cena both at The Bash and on Raw... but really in both matches, Miz looked in control and for the most part, was the dominate wrestler. And The Pebble has hit the nail on the head. Miz has gone from being a mid-card, average tag team wrestler to being in two main events with the WWE's top star. I think this has done Miz alot of good to be honest.
 
How is he buried? He has gone from opening ECW, not getting on WrestleMania when Santino in drag did and never having any meaningful singles matches to being in a big feud on Raw with the biggest superstar. He has gone from lower mid card to upper mid card in one feud. It is a phenomenal rise. He had a good enough showing on Raw (the event that had the most viewers) to be a legitimate US champion in the next month. He isn't in the same league as Cena, he didn't deserve anything else from the feud. He is better off now than he was before the feud, I don't see the problem.
My problem isn't him losing the whole feud in the end, I fully expected that. But if he were to get a fluke win at The Bash, it would have done a lot more for him. I say he was buried because now he will be considered a guy who runs his mouth and can't back it up. A victory over Cena would have made him more of a contender. A phenomenal rise yes, but I don't see him reaching that level again. It's a shame.
 
I see the point you guys are getting at, he is a legit contender for the. U.S Title, but I don't think a feud with Cena was neccisary to help him acheive that. He could have had a program with MVP or Kofi to reach that status. Putting him in a feud with Cena seemed to signal a potential ME spot. To me anyway. I don't think he is really worthy of it, but I thought that was what they were going for. I am saying he was buried because it would take a lot to make him a credible ME contender now if they ever want to go that route.
 
He should have won? He should have looked better? WHAT? They did there best to elevate the Miz, and guess what? He still stinks. Although he seemed to put more "effort" into his match on Raw, it was meant to give him some respectability back. I can honestly say though I have never been impressed with the Miz. People complain about Santino, at least he's funny and brings something other then constipation face. Everyone praises his Mic skills where there are none. He simply is not shy and likes to babble. His scripted stuff was ok but I am sure he did not write it. Everything else is junk. Now I will throw you boy band, I mean Miz fans a bone. It is entirely possible that they could use what happened to do a double turn. Cena could repeatedly beat on Miz buiding sympathy for him and ultimatly turn Cena heel, similar to Hart/Austin, even though Miz is not and will never be Austin. IMO he should just stay burried.
 
I dont think he was buried, he went from tag team wrestler to a fued with the best wrestler in WWE right now. He might've been made to look a bit silly in the match but it's fair to say that his profile has been raised a bit, maybe he's not having the success of Morrison but he's getting there.

He's basically the atypical cowardly heel in WWE today, they talk a load of shit but they cant back it up without cheating like a bastard, Miz just hasnt mastered the cheating yet.
 
I'll just address Miko since the other guy just babbled about The Miz sucking, which isn't what this thread was about. Yes it may have raised his noteriety, but I can't help but feel they killed all of his momentum. I do NOT think he is ME worthy, but they seemed to be pushing him in that direction. They bailed on him and he got squashed. I think all the momentum he built the part couple months has been derailled and he is right back where he was before. I don't think this program was beneficial to his devolpment and possibly just delayed it. Well except for the mic skills, he got pretty good in that department. And you say he hasn't mastered the cheating aspect yet, which is why I think he should have won at The Bash. If he would've used the ropes or hooked the tights, it could have prolonged this program and helped The Miz a lot more in the long run.
 
I just wanna know your thoughts on how the situation was handled. Do you think it's over? If so, where does The Miz go from here?

I do believe I adressed all of these in my post. Sorry to ruin your Miz NAMBLA moment. You should have read the whole thing. I'll make it shorter for you. Handled? Well, they did there best to make Miz look good. Didn't work. Over? Maybe. See last post. Go from here? Probobly nowhere. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
 
I do believe I adressed all of these in my post. Sorry to ruin your Miz NAMBLA moment. You should have read the whole thing. I'll make it shorter for you. Handled? Well, they did there best to make Miz look good. Didn't work. Over? Maybe. See last post. Go from here? Probobly nowhere. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
Oh you addressed everything, but see I am fresh off my first ban so I try to avoid people who piss me off. You know, like airing greivances about someone they don't like in a thread with a different subject when there are other threads devoted to that. I think you are wrong in saying it didn't work. People were into the program and Miz did a great job of making Cena look good again. I felt it should have gone the other way though, Cena didn't really need it. The only way he saves face is if he runs through the mid card dominantly. Also, I never said I loved The Miz. Just thought he got screwed here. Don't really appreciate the way you handled yourself here.
 
There is some good points by people on this thread, about this not being a bad thing for The Miz but I would have had him get the fluke win at The Bash by poking Cena's eyes then rolling him up w/ tights, after 5-10 mins of Cena just kicking his ass and throwing his ass around the ring and making it look like it would be a squash match. Then the next night on Raw, have the Miz cut a promo saying that he's been hearing people, as well as Cena, say that his victory against Cena was a fluke, and he had to cheat to win. This would piss the Miz off then in the NoC tourney match, have Cena win the same way he did last week, with the Miz coming out with fire to prove that it wasnt a fluke and dominating the match, then Cena whips out the 5 moves of doom to finish him off.

IMO this would work for both men, as Miz would get a memorable 1st singles PPV victory as a member of the Raw roster (and solidify himself as a legit main eventer) against Cena and he can take the accomplishment with him into feuds he gets in the future (similar to how Jericho uses the "I beat Austin and Rock in 1 night"), and meanwhile, Cena can still be seen as the top dog because he dominated the match at the Bash, only to lose by a "fluke" rollup, and then wins the match later that night on Raw to go on to vs. HHH next week and eventually get his title shot (spoilers)

Anyone like or agree with this idea?
 
he was finished off fast because he deserved to be. Miz isnt worth shit in the ring. He doesnt even belong in the wwe. I dont even care for cena and i still didnt want to see him lose to the miz. I didnt even want to see a cena/miz match to begin with!
 
I'm not shocked at how the Cena/Miz feud has progressed, but I am still upset with how it was handled.

Deep down I knew that at The Bash, Miz was not going to go over. Why? Because Cena's movie comes out on DVD two days after the PPV. From an economic standpoint and from a psychological standpoint, it would only make sense to have Cena win.

My main concern is that the match they had on Raw should have been more like the match at The Bash. It all felt really backwards to me to have the squash happen on PPV and the good match to happen on cable. I just didn't like how after all the buildup (which I actually thought was really well done by both Miz and Cena) that, in the end, neither of them has seemed to gotten really anywhere from this.

At least it raises Miz's profile on Raw, which I can get behind. I hated the guy at first, but he has improved by leaps and bounds over the past few years. Now with the new ECW guys that just came over to Raw, it opens up more possibilities for things for him to do. A feud with Miz against Kofi, Evan Bourne, or even Mark Henry (if he does indeed go face) could be pretty entertaining.
 
I liked how he was booked in the feud. At the end of the day, Cena was booked stronger, but the fact that Miz actually was in control for a good amout of time made him look strong. I expected him to win by cheationg and/or interference, but he actually looked more credible by taking the fight to Cena, even if he did lose.
 
well good
i hope that they keep burrying this ***
hes deserves to be a jobber at best!
he should consider himself lucky to be in the wwe he has 0 talent 0 charisma 0 wrestling ability 0 anything that it takes to make it in the wwe
ok people i tried giving this guy a chance on raw when he was facing cena but you are all so blind to it all this guy knows how to do is take cenas moves get pinned and lose and when hes in control of the match all he does is ready for this? cause i watched this is the miz in control in the ring this past monday
punch......... punch in the corner................................ kick ..... looks to the crowd with a gay expression on his face.. o wait grabs hold of cenas head.... another punch.......
this guy doesnt know anything all he knows how to do is come out and say "heyyy i have lindsy lohans numberrrrrrrrrrr be jealoussssssss" lol hes such a ******t
the wwe should really consider firing this loser and i mean soon!
:dark2:
 
He is a great talker-and very passionate in his delivery. Some of his forearms smashes looked sloppy as he was trying to pull them so much. He can do a lot in the ring and he takes his bumps well. He did not lose any heat at all. If he had he would be off the "dirt sheet" He actually elevated himself.

But he was getting the rub from Cena; as he was given a ton of time and a lot of offense. This makes people think he can beat other people; just below Cena-who actually does get to beat Cena? He is actually right now above Legacy's Ted and Cody in my opinion.

This only elevates him. People sees he can go with the unofficial champion and compete at that level. You remember Kurt Angle crushed John Cena; and Dirk Diggler and now they are getting the rub.

If you forgot Chavo; Shelton and Carlito are all up and down and back up and then back down.

I hope you see the logic as I am sure this is what the intent was.

I have been watching old Raw on WWE 24/7 and considering how long Jim Anvil" Neidhart has been on TV -his debut on Nitro was nothing. 10 years earlier his reaction alone was the same-my logic is look at Janetty. Any of the older tag teams, Miz and John are recognizable. Miz sounds better in promos and more natural-John is more high flying, but sounds like a whiner or nasaly (natural intonation not a barb-). So they are somewhat equal, Miz could get a reaction wherever he goes and that is part of the show.

Peace
 
After all that buildup, after seemingly backing The Miz as a possible Main Event calibur contender, he has been bitchsmacked right back down to a mid carder. I think it was a HORRIBLE move to have him in a glorified squash match at The Bash. The next night on Raw he had a better showing and carried the match. But in the end he was still buried. This not a Cena hate thread, so please refrain from the "cena sux!!1" bullshit. I just wanna know your thoughts on how the situation was handled. Do you think it's over? If so, where does The Miz go from here?

He didn't necessarily get "buried" and he also didn't carry the match on Raw. I don't know what you expected but a 20 minute wrestling showdown with The Miz getting the win over WWE's biggest superstar was definitely not going to happen.
 
He didn't necessarily get "buried" and he also didn't carry the match on Raw. I don't know what you expected but a 20 minute wrestling showdown with The Miz getting the win over WWE's biggest superstar was definitely not going to happen.
Um no. He did carry the match on Raw. I don't hate Cena, but any match he has that last longer than 10 minutes was carried by the other party half the time. Miz was one of them. I was not expecting a 20 minute showdown, I already said I wanted a fluke win and have expressed why multiple times. I guess I can concede that maybe he wasn't buried, but I really don't like the way the program was finished in the end. Cena wouldn't have been hurt losing to The Miz in a fluke and getting his revenge down the line somewhere. But it would have helped Miz tremendously.
 
LOL, so as I promised, I have returned NateDaMac. This time, you have chosen to create the thread for me to argue on. Although, soon I hope to discuss the merits of our fascination with death, if that intrigues you at all. As for this case, to many an extent, I agree with your revised statement. I believe right now that you've stated that The Miz was not buried, but that the program ended so abruptly. I would agree with such a sentiment, as it appears that The Miz and Cena are going to end their angle. I would have liked for an extension of said feud, just to keep Cena and Miz busy until Summerslam. The Miz wasn't exactly buried, per se. To the common fan (Read: Not us), he did exactly what fans would have expected to happen. I don't think it lessens how he's perceived whatsoever regarding the casual fan. Plus, one has to remember that this was supposed to introduce the fans to The Miz. Most fans probably hadn't heard much of Miz before he was drafted to Raw, and probably accepted him as "John Morrison's tag team partner". Sure, the two had a couple of tag matches while on Raw, but for the majority, The Miz spent his TV time in ECW, and the occasional Smackdown appearance. Now look at how we view Miz. He's a viable contender for The US belt, and could easily break the main event ceiling in due time. Working with Cena has done miracles to enhance the people's perception of The Miz, and has made him a recognizable face.

Alas, there is one thing I will offer for an argument, which we can go at for a little while should you accept it. And that would be this statement of yours;

Cena wouldn't have been hurt losing to The Miz in a fluke and getting his revenge down the line somewhere. But it would have helped Miz tremendously.

I would disagree on this matter, not because I didn't turn over the idea, because I will admit I did. The reason I don't like it, however, is that it's simply wasn't believable to have The Miz go over Cena, even in a fluke victory.

Sure, The Miz was able to play a lot of mind games with Cena, and get under his skin.... But either than one sucker punch, how much damage did The Miz really dole out to Cena? Most of the times that The Miz got the upper hand on Cena were moments in which The Big Show would interfere in matters, and attack Cena. Simply put, any damage The Miz did was directly correlated with The Big Show's attacks. And unless by a fluke victory, you mean that Big Show comes in, and does all of The Miz's dirty work, then I, as a fan, would find it extremely hard to believe that The Miz goes over Cena.

As a matter of fact, it reminds me of angle that is somewhat similar, and utterly flopped. It was suppose to raise a mid carder into a main event wrestler, and all it does was confuse the fans. Nobody bought that this man could beat the legend that was placed in front of him, yet the promoters figured it would work. In truth, all it did was bury a superstar, and embarrass the company.

Anyone remember this angle, and remember what it wound up doing to the superstar that was supposed to get the rub?



Needless to say, no one felt that Billy could have beat Hulk Hogan, because Kidman never did anything at all to insinuate that he stood a chance in Hell. The Miz, I feel, did nothing to warrant any belief that he could go over John Cena, and putting him over, in a fluke fashion, really places the audience in a sense of disbelief about The Miz. Now, what I feel should have happened was that it should have been an evenly matched contest, with Cena pulling out the win somewhere near the fifteen to twenty minute mark. That way, The audience is more willing to believe that The Miz is good enough to beat Cena, and if WWE decides they want to put Miz over John, the audience will be far more receptive on the matter.

Alas, hindsight is twenty-twenty, and the only thing The Miz can do is prove the WWE brass that he deserves a longer push, and that he can attract the fans for longer than a month.

And if he can.... Well, it surely makes him better than Billy Kidman, at least.
 
I think it was dumb for WWE to do. I mean they could have had Miz carry the match. And when Cena goes for the F-U, The Miz could have hit a crucifix roll up, and win the match via roll up. It wouldn't take much steam away from Cena but it sure would have made a future main eventer out of the Miz! HBK, 'Taker, Jericho, Rey, etc aren't gonna be around forever!
 
Damn you Tenta. You pretty much covered every base of my argument and left me very little to work with. Nonetheless while you use things like "facts" and "logic" to support your argument, I tend to use my gut instinct. My gut tells me that The Miz is in a higher class than Billy Kidman, and John Cena is no Hogan. My gut says that a win over John Cena could have made The Miz a breakout star. When I say fluke win, I mean like puttin his feet on the ropes after a roll up or hooking the tights err jeans. Regardless, I still hate the way the program ended. Best thing going on Raw ended to shove Cena back into the title picture.
 

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