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Kermit
the Frog
Bernkastel
Reaper of Miracles
I've done some brainstorming but I haven't typed anything.
Kermit
the Frog
I just went back to see your character app. I can't wait to read your RP. I've already penned mine down.
Just brainstorming here. Once I know who my opponent is I'll begin the actual writing.
Kermit
the Frog
I thought about doing the same, but I consider All-Stars less about sizing up opponents and more about character study. Especially since a win means significantly less than it would for a regular WZCW round.
I've got the non-match related part pretty much down from a long time ago. It's a character I made as a CAW in most of the WWE games ever since the 2006 edition, based on an inside joke from my college about a professor there my freshman year.
Fun fact: Dr Anderson was my first idea for a character application but he's a little too silly for the main roster and I didn't think it work. I almost joined as him ages ago, before Theron even existed as a character concept.
Kermit
the Frog
Speaking of Theron, congrats on the win at Revolution. I think the likes of you and I should probably be deserving of entering the 8-man Gold Rush tournament. I had to miss out on the last one because I was the EurAsian Champion. Who would you flesh out as the other six participants? That last question is open to anyone really that wants to predict a bracket.
I'd predict the list is something along the lines of....
Ty/Tastic (depending on their match's outcome)
Beard
Stormrage
Constantine
Kagura
elegANT
Theron
Chris KO
Kermit
the Frog
I'd scratch Ty/Tastic and Constantine off. I assume the first round is happening after All-Stars and we already have a WHC then between Tastic and Ty. Constantine also already has a shot, so he will probably just straight up compete for the title at Gold Rush.
Assuming they keep the champions out like they did last time, I like your list, but with the addition of S.H.I.T. and Alhazred. Let them see what damage they can do before finishing their business with Cerberus. S.H.I.T. was another guy who was champion during the last Gold Rush.
Bruce, Slaughter, and Veejay replace those three then. It pretty much allows for the whole roster minus the champions and the World Championship feud members to participate. The Elite X and Eurasian challengers whoever they end up being probably still do the tournament due to the roster size.
Kermit
the Frog
I completely forgot about Slaughter. That guy is definitely deserving of a spot.
Kermit
the Frog
This mainly targeted at the guys who have been around a little bit, but the HoF thread got me reminiscing. Who are some members/characters from the past who had the potential to be something special (or even more special in some cases) had they stuck it out? I'll start with a small list.
JGlass or Doc could have easily risen to the ranks of world champion during an era that was partly sparked by their tag team influence. However, Ricky Runn became of the face of that era in their absence and was able to thrive the most because of it.
Gelgarin ran circles around the fed until the fed sent him spiraling down one.
Haiku and Infinity both were on rolls until they had to take an unexpected leave. Granted, Infinity struggled in the main event when finally given an opportunity.
Whitman was the bright star of TSA. Too bad he never adapted to our fed style.
We only saw a little of King Shabba, but we saw was glorious and on an elephant.
Agree? Disagree? Your own list?
- King Shabba
- David Whitman
- Vega
- Zeus
- Black Dragon
- Saboteur
- Saxton
JGlass or Doc could have easily risen to the ranks of world champion during an era that was partly sparked by their tag team influence. However, Ricky Runn became of the face of that era in their absence and was able to thrive the most because of it.
Gelgarin ran circles around the fed until the fed sent him spiraling down one.
Haiku and Infinity both were on rolls until they had to take an unexpected leave. Granted, Infinity struggled in the main event when finally given an opportunity.
Whitman was the bright star of TSA. Too bad he never adapted to our fed style.
We only saw a little of King Shabba, but we saw was glorious and on an elephant.
Agree? Disagree? Your own list?
Completely agree on Vega and Zeus. Add Triple X to those two also had he remained. Those guys would be dominating the top of the card if they were still around. Even though I was only here for literally the very end of Saxoteur, I loved what I read and seeing those two in singles success would have been awesome.
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Ace Stevens could have been amazing could he gave gotten to that main event level and not burned out when he did.
Bernkastel
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I miss Scott Hammond. He was always doing something or bringing his best game in an attempt to climb the ladder. He had a great feud with Tastic over the Mayhem title and Blade over the Eurasian title. Always a solid reliable hand and when the Sons of Destiny was over, Hammond was in line to shoot up the card again... but he took a leave of absence and never came back.
There is also Isabel Stone, Le Gentlemen Masque, Sam Smith, Rush... a lot of good solid characters who would've ascended the card if they stayed but it wasn't meant to happen.
There is also Isabel Stone, Le Gentlemen Masque, Sam Smith, Rush... a lot of good solid characters who would've ascended the card if they stayed but it wasn't meant to happen.
I'd argue that Black Dragon, Vega, Saxton and Saboteur already had HoF worthy careers. Triple X, Zeus, Vega and Black Dragon would be the main event if they had stuck around for longer than they already did.
I have two (well three) names on my nominees for the Sean O'Haire memorial "Damn They Could Have Been Good" trophy;
Vega was the greatest Mayhem champion ever and fended off a HOFer to retire the belt. That alone should be enough to put him in the HOF at some point, regardless of his push coming half a year too late. Probably the most underrated guy ever in the fed for most of his run and he was part of my only actual instance of anger at the fed when he lost to Showtime so that's gotta count for something
Saxoteur were the highlight of any show they were on. They raised the bar soooo much, not just for comedy but for consistent comedy here it's almost a hindrance to other comedic characters, since they're always going to be compared to the best comedy characters ever and it's going to be a very hard task for anyone to ever take that title from them.
If either of these guys had ended up chasing the title in their prime they would have destroyed the opposition.
Honorable mentions;
Ace Stevens did write one of my favourite ever RPs (and lost...) and could have done something if he tried, but he was very up and down which tarnished a lot of his work.
JAM was doing really well with the honeypot Amber Warren before he got the jitters and left.
I have two (well three) names on my nominees for the Sean O'Haire memorial "Damn They Could Have Been Good" trophy;
Vega was the greatest Mayhem champion ever and fended off a HOFer to retire the belt. That alone should be enough to put him in the HOF at some point, regardless of his push coming half a year too late. Probably the most underrated guy ever in the fed for most of his run and he was part of my only actual instance of anger at the fed when he lost to Showtime so that's gotta count for something
He was the greatest Mayhem Champion in history and although he squandered his big push it doesn't really detract from his achievements in the Mayhem Division, the fact that he didn't come across as someone like Bob Holly or Al Snow as a guy who floundered without the hardcore style matches as a crutch only continues to serve to his legacy.
As someone who feuded with them for a long time in their prime I would say that they achieved plenty, the fact that they were both singles stars in their own right for a long time and didn't do great things. The reason they were a great team is because they elevated each other above novelty characters. While they COULD have gone on to do great things alone I am not sure they would have been anywhere near as successful as many people think.
I don't disagree Ace had the ability to be great and Amber was really doing well. I'd love to see where they would have gone.
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That's pretty much bullshit. Saboteur ended Ty's undefeated streak and towards the end of his run he was in the World Title picture and many feel (including myself) he or Vega should have won the title instead of Ricky Runn retaining. Nothing against Runn, I'm a mark for him, but in that match there's many people who feel Saboteur should have won that match based on the RPs. He was a top tier RPer anytime he wanted to be but was more about fun than titles. He obviously would have won the World Title had he stayed around.
Saxton on the other hand came in right after Alhazred at a completely different time for the fed. He and I were completely out of the box compared to what was the standard around here. He more so than me because I followed the Lee form of RPing but just took that and went outside the box and then got into the tag division, Doc on the other had never mentioned his opponents and just told amazing, funny stories, which again was something no one was used to. For a while Saxton was writing brilliant RPs but not getting noticed because he never mentioned his opponents despite having better RPs than most of his opponents. Saxton is like the Foley of WZCW, he doesn't have all the accomplishments that Ty or Showtime do but he is easily the most popular character of all time. That alone deserves him a spot in the HoF and he too could have easily won the World Title had he stuck around.
Not to mention how influential both guys were in changing how RPs are done around here. Rather than your boring talk shit about your opponent with Leon interview everyone was doing and used to, they said fuck that and just had fun. Read the last round of RPs and compare those to the Redemption cycle when Saxton first appeared and you can see the effect Saxoteur had on the entire fed.
Kermit
the Frog
Again, great memory. Triple X definitely could have been something. I may get some bad heat from Creative for this, and admittedly I was not behind the scenes, but Triple X seemed to have got the serious shaft in the mystery triple threat scenario. Granted, I think they were going to give him a 1v1 title match, but he had to take a leave of absence.
I think he would do well now. The fed now really fits his style.
I always discount Hammond because I saw the end of his career which was absolutely awful. He was the weak link in SoD and practically brought that stable down.
Isabel Stone was fun to read, but I don't think she would have ever got higher than the Elite X title.
Masque definitely had a lot of potential. I wonder where he is now?
Wow, I can't believe I left Sam Smith and Rush off my initial list. They were ascending when they left, but I don't know if I agree with the notion of "it was never meant to happen" with them. I agree more with the idea that it was "too late to happen." That's our fault.
Even though Black Dragon was the best RPer out of the four you first mentioned, I think he would be behind Vega and Saxton in the HoF pecking order. His career here was solid, but he never really had that "big moment". He also never talked (unless Creative f'ed up) so we never really got to explore very much of who Dragon was on-screen.
Your Vega comments make my head scratch, bud. Mainly because that's exactly what happened kayfabe wise to Vega. He didn't do much at all out of the Mayhem scene. Granted, he was put up against top notch competition, but your comparison to Holly and Snow doesn't translate very well.
Sorry, I agree with Skully.
