The Lilypad

[Thriller Ant]

I have to disagree with you, Kermit, on an out-of-character level for two reasons.

I have never been a singles champion in the fed. I know the day if/when that happens will feel awesome, and I'm sure there are others that agree with me. From that perspective, guys like Crock and Merk did reach a level that a lot of guys haven't and should both feel accomplished and be recognized for that achievement. I agree that they should've gotten World Title shots (although they both kind of choked in the Lottery that year if I remember correctly) but their runs with the Elite X and EurAsian Titles will be remembered for a lot longer than a failed World Title match ever would.

For others, being the World Champion is the goal. Hell, I'd argue that at least 95% of people have that as their ultimate goal. By making a second title at that level, it may not water it down on-screen, but I'd argue that a big part of the prestige from an OOC perspective is gone. Imagine if there was a second top tier title during Ty's year long reign: what would that have changed? Ty still would've been the undisputed best in the fed; at best, the other champ would've been at the level of Showtime or whomever the top challenger was at the time.

 

[ABMorales787]

2 World titles were done. But it didn't pan out due to the same stigma that eventually killed the World Heavyweight Championship in WWE. 2 World titles under the same brand will just never be equals. I still remember when the Eurasian and Elite X titles were equals on opposite shows. But then Bug Dave won the EA title and it became a bigger deal.

All we can do is more title shots.

 

[Thriller Ant]

2 World titles were done. But it didn't pan out due to the same stigma that eventually killed the World Heavyweight Championship in WWE. 2 World titles under the same brand will just never be equals. I still remember when the Eurasian and Elite X titles were equals on opposite shows. But then Bug Dave won the EA title and it became a bigger deal.

All we can do is more title shots.

Don't you let him retroactively steal my gimmick.

 

[Skairipa Matrix]

Where do you think the Chris KO/Dustin Hunter thing we had going would've ended up going if we both didn't end up leaving the fed?

What do you think I can do to fix Lexi? I still see a lot of potential in the character but I'm at a total dead end of what to do with her.

What's your favorite RP you ever wrote?

 

[Dagger Dias]

You spoke frequently on your podcast of a disconnect in my RP's. Are they better now that Theron speaks more often of the shows and the championships? The reason for all the differing names and completely different world is that this is how he legitimately in character sees the world. I felt that when creative began writing him as using the names of his world's counterparts in promos removed the disconnect. Do you agree or disagree?

And an easier question.... How would you see a Theron VS Haven or Chris feud going?

 

[Kermit]

Take into consideration this as well, I was World Champion for an entire calendar year. That set back a lot of guys that could be argued that could have held the world title a hell of a lot sooner in their careers, take into consideration Showtime, Big Dave, Barbosa, you could argue Blade was due, and in the mean time others rose up, such as Holmes, Kurtesy, Constantine, Kravinoff, the list goes on, while still having Titus and Everest around that could be thrown in for a shot as well.

As you said, a year in this fed is not as much action as in the WWE where they have that many PPVs. So you push all those guys that should have been champ sooner back a year, it sort of left those later risers as Rush and Smith on the outside looking in. I can't speak a whole lot on why they didn't get a shot as I was on Creative for a cup of coffee the second time around before they left, but I'm sure the time table didn't help any.

The first part kind of flows into my point. You had a year long reign because you deserved it. But then we have a group of guys that never got around to getting a shot because of the lag in opportunity.

Guys like Smith and Rush didn't get a crack at the top because guys like Drake, Holmes, and Showtime still had unfinished business to deal with. It would have been a shame to not give them that platform to finish it. However, you have the problem of the guys waiting in the wing for their shot. An additional top tier prize would have done wonders to appease them.

Plus, with guys like Titus occasionally showing up, it would be nice to set him up against a heel for one title, but not feel bad for those that consistently RP on a round-by-round basis who have to wait their turn behind a part-timer.

I have to disagree with you, Kermit, on an out-of-character level for two reasons.

I have never been a singles champion in the fed. I know the day if/when that happens will feel awesome, and I'm sure there are others that agree with me. From that perspective, guys like Crock and Merk did reach a level that a lot of guys haven't and should both feel accomplished and be recognized for that achievement. I agree that they should've gotten World Title shots (although they both kind of choked in the Lottery that year if I remember correctly) but their runs with the Elite X and EurAsian Titles will be remembered for a lot longer than a failed World Title match ever would.

For others, being the World Champion is the goal. Hell, I'd argue that at least 95% of people have that as their ultimate goal. By making a second title at that level, it may not water it down on-screen, but I'd argue that a big part of the prestige from an OOC perspective is gone. Imagine if there was a second top tier title during Ty's year long reign: what would that have changed? Ty still would've been the undisputed best in the fed; at best, the other champ would've been at the level of Showtime or whomever the top challenger was at the time.

I agree. Rush and Smith both did a lot with the ball they were given, but there comes a time when a guy has outgrown the current teir he is in. For the likes of Rush and Smith, there was nowhere to put them with KFAD moving to Apocalypse so they were put in a makeshift program with Saboteur and Saxton. Granted, all four of those guys were on about equal levels, but they were practically begging for something bigger like a world title shot. Also, I would not fault them for flaking in the lottery. That thing is always a mixed bag.

In terms of OOC prestige, I kind of understand what you are saying, but I think that the "devaluation" of the second world title is mainly based on opinion and how creative treats the two. For instance, if Black Dragon had risen to the top and brandished a second world title at the time of Ty Burna's reign. I would honestly have put both them on a pretty similar level RP-wise.

In an opposite scenario (I'm sorry Pancake) I don't think many people really thought Pancake was the best RPer during his world title reign. If we are talking about OOC wise? Why don't we discuss that rarely do we see guys on hot streaks get pulled up for a title match in an appropriate time? They are noticed and put on a waiting list. Then we punish them for fizzling out because lack of clear direction. That's the product of Sam Smith and Rush. An additional top tier title provides an additional outlet that we could plug those individuals into.

If the choice requires a very small diminish in prestige over who is the "true" top champion so that some guys who deserve an opportunity actually get one or two in this life time, I would be fine with it. I actually want to see guys like Theron Daggershield or Alhazred get a shot before I call it a day here. However, at the current rate we are going it is more likely that they hang up their e-boots or a couple years pass before that ever happens.

It's not Creative's fault. There is just a lot of guys and only one top title.

2 World titles were done. But it didn't pan out due to the same stigma that eventually killed the World Heavyweight Championship in WWE. 2 World titles under the same brand will just never be equals. I still remember when the Eurasian and Elite X titles were equals on opposite shows. But then Bug Dave won the EA title and it became a bigger deal.

All we can do is more title shots.

I think it falls back on how Creative portrays them really. Look at the world title before its unification to the WWE title. They put it on John Cena and it suddenly gained a huge increase in spotlight. It all just depends on who is holding it and how Creative chooses to present it. If they favor one and subject the other to constant second-tier exposure, sure it will look a lot weaker.

With that being said, they lived with the titles being separate for several years and made it work. Are we not willing to do the same, at a minor cost of prestige, so some guys like S.H.I.T., Holmes, and Constantine can compete for world titles consistently?

In the end it's not my decision, but I think it is something worth looking at least. Miko's list is alarming in terms of guys who never got a shot, or messed up a single shot and dropped down a long way on the ladder. We also don't have the luxury of hot-shotting a new guy or returning legend into the world title scene purely based on momentum because there are so many waiting in line. Maybe an additional world title could grant the fed some of those opportunities.

Who knows? Maybe I am just a crazy frog.

Where do you think the Chris KO/Dustin Hunter thing we had going would've ended up going if we both didn't end up leaving the fed?

What do you think I can do to fix Lexi? I still see a lot of potential in the character but I'm at a total dead end of what to do with her.

What's your favorite RP you ever wrote?

I planned on feuding with you before Falk's sudden departure. I wanted to take a role on the lower part of the card, but also help some of the younger guys (you, mostly) develop into a more consistent player in the mid-card.

I honestly have not read your character much, except for the PPV preview shows that I did. I think there is still a lot of potential in a heel turn/LOL speak persona.

My favorite? Either my RP against Ty at Redemption or my RP against Titus at Kingdom Come V. As a guilty pleasure, there was an RP I wrote one time during the initial negative criticism surrounding the White Knight gimmick.

It was back when everyone was criticizing how Chris appeared on TV, but were not reading my RPs to really see how my character was struggling with the persona that was kind of forced upon him. In the RP, Kensworth, Madison, and Klamor all told their version of a dirtsheet story they heard about Chris K.O. that involved him saving a cat from a tree. Klamor's version had Chris punting the cat post-rescue and Madison's version had Chris shirtless.

I thought it was pretty clever for what was surrounding my character, but I don't think Creative liked it.

You spoke frequently on your podcast of a disconnect in my RP's. Are they better now that Theron speaks more often of the shows and the championships? The reason for all the differing names and completely different world is that this is how he legitimately in character sees the world. I felt that when creative began writing him as using the names of his world's counterparts in promos removed the disconnect. Do you agree or disagree?

And an easier question.... How would you see a Theron VS Haven or Chris feud going?

The last I read of Theron was at LL. I thought you were going to beat Constantine (I think I predicted that). From what I read before and then at the LL, I saw some improvement in erasing the disconnect. Creative incorporating RP material on the actual TV shows always helps a character.

That being said, there are some guys whose work just reads better in bulk. A guy like Steven Holmes is a good example. You really have to read a lot of his work consistently to appreciate his grasp on the character. I think I have said it before, but that is the type of character Theron is to me.

Oh man, I think the first one was an easier question. It seems in both scenarios that it would be a good-hearted rivalry in each feud. Chris vs. Theron would probably devolve into a respect match. Haven vs. Theron might be founded on some type of mix up. Honestly, both of those feuds just seem really improbably without someone turning heel or setting up for a heel turn.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

I know I haven't written him as such in this current stage of the character but which alignment do you think would work better for Flex in the long run?

 

[red ass skull muhfukkah]

I think the two world titles idea would have worked around last KC, not now. You could have simply done s brand split with two world titles. Our roster was huge around that time and it could have conceivably been done and I don't think many non creative members would have been against it if it was split as even as possible.

The roster is far too small for it right now, though.

 

[Remix]

Hey, tadpoles!

It's been awhile since I lit up this thread with some discussion. There is still some juice left in the tank. Also, I have to combat Falk's awful thread (which is prejudice to frogs).

As always, the thread is open for questions. I can't do the podcast anymore, but I would still love to give my insight to anyone that wants it.

Can't think of a question? How about we open up with an interesting stat?

26 characters competed at Kingdom Come V last year. That's not including the WZ Weekend that aired just before the marquee event. Out of those 26 characters, only 6 are currently on the roster going into this year's Kingdom Come. What do you think about that?

Anyone around that I'd recognise?

Yeah, we are a few surprise returns away from only having a couple characters back from last year. You make a good point about KC V kind of being a huge page turner for a lot of characters. This year could definitely be defined as a rebuilding year, character wise.

I can exclusively confirm I won't be one of them.

Sure, you still have some veterans at the top like The Elite or Matt Tastic, but a lot of the middle and uppercard has been flooded by new and emerging talent. Beard in the main-event is the perfect example. The new faces speak life, but the roster size and low turnover of existing characters also is alarming.

There's been a glut of talent in the midcard that could have stepped up to the main event but never got a spot there because there were always someone in the revolving door of Creative ahead of them. Unless they strike gold and get lucky like Runn they'd linger in the midcard until their quality dropped, they burned out or joined Creative. There'd never be any progression for them. Maybe it's me being bitter asshole who hasn't read a show since quitting but there have always been guys like Vega and Zeus who could have walked into the main event scene but never did.

I mostly blame the lull in wrestling in general, with a small part given to some past delays (sometimes ridiculous ones). However, it seems the team is on a better track now with producing shows. Hopefully after KC we can fully turn the corner and forget some low points of this past calendar year.

Different year, same problems, 90% of the same team. Then again, the way you're talking makes it sound like the reasons for every show being late aren't the same as they were when I was in the fed.

On the topic of writing RPs, my process usually looks something like this. I plan out a general story arc for one, or in rare cases two, cycles. I generally have an end goal with some key points brewing in my head to touch on during the cycle. I then adapt those points to who I am facing on a given round.

When I approach my RP for the round, I have most likely already been brain-storming some connections to my character, opponent, and current story arc. Sometimes I get lucky and all three mesh together perfectly.

Pretty much how I wrote for Reese as well. Wunderbar and Stark I worked by the seat of my pants.

It takes a real marathon man to stay with a character for so long consistently. Kudos to guys like KillJoy, Ty, Dave, Holmes, and Showtime who have found ways to revitalize their gimmicks time and time again to find success.

Agreed. I believe that I can speak with some authority on the matter.

That being said, I want to make a statement that I have been called crazy for a lot of times. When Beard won the world title and left with it, I was really excited when a new one emerged as a prize for LL. For the first time, the idea of two separate world titles existed.

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My issue with that is pretty simple. What makes a second world title any different from the two midcard titles we already have? Fuck all. It's still going to be a second tier title for the people who are waiting in line behind the old guard. If you combine it with a brand split then you've just got the issue WWE had with it with an A-show champion and a B-show champion and... well Jack Swagger didn't win the WWE title, did he?

Two world titles sounds like a great idea, but it doesn't fix the fed's endemic problems.

 

[ABMorales787]

There's been a glut of talent in the midcard that could have stepped up to the main event but never got a spot there because there were always someone in the revolving door of Creative ahead of them. Unless they strike gold and get lucky like Runn they'd linger in the midcard until their quality dropped, they burned out or joined Creative. There'd never be any progression for them. Maybe it's me being bitter asshole who hasn't read a show since quitting but there have always been guys like Vega and Zeus who could have walked into the main event scene but never did.



Different year, same problems, 90% of the same team. Then again, the way you're talking makes it sound like the reasons for every show being late aren't the same as they were when I was in the fed.

On two separate occasions we provided an equal opportunity at the entire roster to win the World title. I suggest you base your insinuations on facts. Not paranoia.

My issue with that is pretty simple. What makes a second world title any different from the two midcard titles we already have? Fuck all. It's still going to be a second tier title for the people who are waiting in line behind the old guard. If you combine it with a brand split then you've just got the issue WWE had with it with an A-show champion and a B-show champion and... well Jack Swagger didn't win the WWE title, did he?

Agreed. Simply put, whether the focus switches, neither belt will be equal to the other. Not to mention at this point, a second World title will suffer the stigma of being "the other title" much like the Real World title did in 2010.

Two world titles sounds like a great idea, but it doesn't fix the fed's endemic problems.

I'll never see good in two World titles. E-fed or real life.

 

[Dagger Dias]

Oh man, I think the first one was an easier question. It seems in both scenarios that it would be a good-hearted rivalry in each feud. Chris vs. Theron would probably devolve into a respect match. Haven vs. Theron might be founded on some type of mix up. Honestly, both of those feuds just seem really improbably without someone turning heel or setting up for a heel turn.

Yeah, Haven doesn't come off as a character who would work as heel. Theron definitely doesn't. I might never turn him. I don't see you turning Chris anytime soon either. Face Chris VS Face Theron could still be interesting depending on what we came up with. Theron VS Haven would be chaotic fun and to me has a ton of potential if Haven ever comes back.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

Any character can be a face or a heel if you try hard enough.

In saying that though, when I create a character, I always make sure there is a plan for every conceivable situation. Can I be heel, can I be face? Can I work in a stable, can I work solo? So this is a biased point of view.

 

[Remix]

On two separate occasions we provided an equal opportunity at the entire roster to win the World title. I suggest you base your insinuations on facts. Not paranoia.

See that part where I said I haven't read a show since I quit? Yeah, didn't know that had happened. Out of interest, who won the title in those cases?

If one, or both of those happened in a lethal lottery type scenario then that kinda underlines my point about the only way to get ahead of the revolving door team is get lucky and strike gold because you need to do just that to write a better RP than the entire damn roster.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

If one, or both of those happened in a lethal lottery type scenario then that kinda underlines my point about the only way to get ahead of the revolving door team is get lucky and strike gold because you need to do just that to write a better RP than the entire damn roster.

To become World champion or a contender to that title, you have to write a better RP than the entire damn roster on a consistent basis.

Also, to be fair, WZCW has done its best to mitigate situations where guys like Rush hit the glass ceiling. One title has been removed and another titles' rules were changed to start. Plus, we've got a positive side to the dwindling roster: a lot of the main event guys are leaving, allowing people to move up the card. Older RP veterans such as myself, Echelon, Lee & Harthan have shelved their "main eventing" characters in favour of some new blood, effectively restarting ourselves at the bottom of the card & work our way up again.

The main event is NOT clogged or defined yet so there is a lot of room to move and seize the opportunity.

 

[Remix]

To become World champion or a contender to that title, you have to write a better RP than the entire damn roster on a consistent basis.

But there's a difference between being consistently ME level, potentially outperforming your place on the card and winning Lethal Lottery. If for that one match you don't write the best RP and you stay exactly where you were.

Also, to be fair, WZCW has done its best to mitigate situations where guys like Rush hit the glass ceiling. One title has been removed and another titles' rules were changed to start. Plus, we've got a positive side to the dwindling roster: a lot of the main event guys are leaving, allowing people to move up the card. Older RP veterans such as myself, Echelon, Lee & Harthan have shelved their "main eventing" characters in favour of some new blood, effectively restarting ourselves at the bottom of the card & work our way up again.

Yes, I was there for both of those changes. Tell me, how many of the post-change EX champions have gone on to become world champions?

The main event is NOT clogged or defined yet so there is a lot of room to move and seize the opportunity.

Don't try and sell me on creating a new character. I've been Milenko'd.

 

[ABMorales787]

But there's a difference between being consistently ME level, potentially outperforming your place on the card and winning Lethal Lottery. If for that one match you don't write the best RP and you stay exactly where you were.

Then perhaps working on your skills would be best. We have to rate all RP's. If someone's good, we notice.

Yes, I was there for both of those changes. Tell me, how many of the post-change EX champions have gone on to become world champions?

Why does that matter? We put a failsafe. If no one has triggered it yet, how's it a case of holding people back?

Don't try and sell me on creating a new character. I've been Milenko'd.

At your own fault.

 

[Kermit]

I've summoned Remix from the dead in this section. Surely I should get some kind of reward.

I know I haven't written him as such in this current stage of the character but which alignment do you think would work better for Flex in the long run?

Heel for awhile, but then eventually a face. Flex strikes me as a guy who could play both sides and still be entertaining. However, he needs to go through all the good content with him as a heel first before going face.

I think the two world titles idea would have worked around last KC, not now. You could have simply done s brand split with two world titles. Our roster was huge around that time and it could have conceivably been done and I don't think many non creative members would have been against it if it was split as even as possible.

The roster is far too small for it right now, though.

You may very well be right about two belts and our roster size. However, the roster just seems a bit top heavy to me at the moment. I would peg about 13 guys who I wouldn't mind see getting a shot at top tier gold this next calendar year.

There's been a glut of talent in the midcard that could have stepped up to the main event but never got a spot there because there were always someone in the revolving door of Creative ahead of them. Unless they strike gold and get lucky like Runn they'd linger in the midcard until their quality dropped, they burned out or joined Creative. There'd never be any progression for them. Maybe it's me being bitter asshole who hasn't read a show since quitting but there have always been guys like Vega and Zeus who could have walked into the main event scene but never did.

I agree with you about having to strike gold to get a solid one-on-one shot. The lottery, roulette rounds, or winning KFAD are awesome chances, but nearly impossible to win and take a lot of luck. Plus, with those things (especially the lottery) you often have already established main-event stars winning it. Again, as I keep saying, all of that is well-deserved, but some guys are getting lost in the thick of it.

My issue with that is pretty simple. What makes a second world title any different from the two midcard titles we already have? Fuck all. It's still going to be a second tier title for the people who are waiting in line behind the old guard. If you combine it with a brand split then you've just got the issue WWE had with it with an A-show champion and a B-show champion and... well Jack Swagger didn't win the WWE title, did he?

Two world titles sounds like a great idea, but it doesn't fix the fed's endemic problems.

I see what you are saying, but doesn't that really have to do deal more with the competitor, how green he was at the time, and Creative's treatment of his reign? It is not so much the fact that it is the second title, it is more about how it is portrayed and who is holding it. If Cena is holding the b-brand title and Swagger is holding the a-brand title, Cena's title suddenly becomes more important.

Also, why are we even talking about "A" and "B" brands in this thread? I agree that there is an underlined tier system in our shows, but I have had it beat into my head by some Creative members that every show, even Aftersthock, is on the same level and should not be viewed as a demotion to be put on. If that is the case, why are we worried about that type of labeling?

Again, crazy frog here.

To become World champion or a contender to that title, you have to write a better RP than the entire damn roster on a consistent basis.

The main event is NOT clogged or defined yet so there is a lot of room to move and seize the opportunity.

On the first part, I agree. However, the problem is not about the quality of the RPer, but it is about striking when the iron is hot. We were both on the team when Rush and Smith hit their stride. We put together a tournament in hopes that they would rise to the challenge, but by then they had left. Drake (who already main-evented PPVs earlier in the year) won the lottery and snagged the only golden ticket that could immediately plunge them into the world title scene. The casualty is a result of the lack of opportunity for Rush or Smith.

Maybe clogged is the wrong word, but the world title scene is definitely limited. Though, as I mentioned above. I see about 13 names on the roster page that I think could be deserving a world title shot right now for this upcoming calendar year. 1-3 cycle 1v1 world title feuds are nearly impossible to do without severely setting back challengers who deserve a world title shot.

But there's a difference between being consistently ME level, potentially outperforming your place on the card and winning Lethal Lottery. If for that one match you don't write the best RP and you stay exactly where you were.

I agree to an extent. The LL last year and Gold Rush tournament this year is a great example. Rush barely lost the lottery at LL last year. So, he didn't get a shot at KC. Then, there was the Gold Rush tournament that was kind of designed specifically for guys like him and Smith to seize an opportunity. Unfortunately, him and Smith both fizzled out.

However, had Rush stayed, what would have happened if he slipped up and had a bad round in the large multi-man tournament? He would have had to wait after the Redemption match, then the Apocalypse match. Then, maybe he would have got a spot in the Unscripted HIAC? Maybe. However, Rush was in a stride back during the year's prior LL cycle. It is now the Unscripted cycle. Which is probably almost a year later in real time. That is the biggest issue.

Then perhaps working on your skills would be best. We have to rate all RP's. If someone's good, we notice.

Again, as mentioned above, it is not about noticing talent, it is about executing on that talent in an appropriate time.

HOWEVER, I need to be fair. After reviewing this past calendar year, there was a lot of new blood injected in the world title scene. BUT, how often are we going to get a LL for the world title, and the insane "hot-potato" situation we had this past year?

Besides, anytime a title changes hands more than once in two cycles, there seems to be a giant panic alert button pressed and an instant disdain for a supposed "hot potato" situation.

 

[Kermit]

I want to add to my words by just hoping that we all understand that this is a collective thought-tank in here. I'm not going to flip tables if we don't magically get a world title. I understand that it is a radical idea opposed to our current system, but I thought the idea of guys not getting enough shots was a topic worth discussing.

<3

 

[ABMorales787]

Again, as mentioned above, it is not about noticing talent, it is about executing on that talent in an appropriate time.

HOWEVER, I need to be fair. After reviewing this past calendar year, there was a lot of new blood injected in the world title scene. BUT, how often are we going to get a LL for the world title, and the insane "hot-potato" situation we had this past year?

Besides, anytime a title changes hands more than once in two cycles, there seems to be a giant panic alert button pressed and an instant disdain for a supposed "hot potato" situation.

The thing is when we execute on said talent, it's not just the World title. If that's not available, we can place them on semi-main event feud. The next best thing. Or a feud for the Eurasian title. When RP'ers show high quality, the reward does come. Remember Triple X and how he returned. One cycle was a smaller feud with Blade. The next one was a #1 Contenders match plus the HIAC match he got which gave him that jump in the first place.

The Gold Rush Tournament gave Ricky Runn an instant push. Or King For A Day and how it got The Beard to where he is today. Guess who was runner up? Triple X. Theron Daggershield was a participant in the KFAD. He then feuded with Fallout for the Elite X title. Now he's in match for the EA title. He's certainly moving up.

I understand what you mean by the slow amount of chances at the World title. Trust me. 5 years for me. But it's not a black hole in the middle like WWE's roster. There's certainly a flow of growth up the card for wrestlers.

I want to add to my words by just hoping that we all understand that this is a collective thought-tank in here. I'm not going to flip tables if we don't magically get a world title. I understand that it is a radical idea opposed to our current system, but I thought the idea of guys not getting enough shots was a topic worth discussing.

<3

We do feel a need for some revamping or slight changes. And I do appreciate the feedback. It gets things spinning in my mind that aren't graphics or hookers.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

But there's a difference between being consistently ME level, potentially outperforming your place on the card and winning Lethal Lottery. If for that one match you don't write the best RP and you stay exactly where you were.

What Killjoy said.

Also, it's Kingdom Come season; our Wrestlemania. Every year, we create the best card possible for our biggest PPV of the calendar year. Sometimes, people may stay in the same region but I believe this year we did an exceptional job of giving everyone a chance to get themselves onto the card with chances of moving higher up/raising their stock or winning a championship.

However, we go back to KJ's point. You can't move higher on the card by doing little work. I was laidback for a while during the NXT-style competition days of Kurtesy and during most of my run as Sandy and I got didn't do too well. I plummeted to the bottom because of my own faults. The feud with Zeus and coming in as Eve Taylor, I got motivated and started writing some good pieces. I'm by no means high on the card but the efforts that I have put in have risen myself above where I was... do that come across as understandable?

The last thing we want to see is someone floundering.

Yes, I was there for both of those changes. Tell me, how many of the post-change EX champions have gone on to become world champions?

We have had 4 champions since the change. Two got close but dropped off shortly after, the current is getting close (2 defenses left) and the one who didn't go far is now currently World champion.

Don't try and sell me on creating a new character. I've been Milenko'd.

Your own attitude, being very difficult to work with and personally burning bridges was what got you kicked out, not due to a lack of talent.

 

[Viola Moonlight]

Also, apologies for the intrusion frog (since we kind of just jumped into your lilypad to have a discussion about WZCW). I know it's your thread but y'know, this happens sometimes. So I will ask you a question:

When you converse with your brethren and someone says the phrase "fly on the wall", is that taken as sarcasm or are you guys perverted freaks of nature that need to be exterimated via garlic cloves and a frypan heated to about 180 degrees Celsius?

 

[ABMorales787]

An actual fed related one. How do you feel about the hype for KC6? Do you feel it's better than previous years, or underwhelming? Perhaps focus spreaded over matches rather than defining the importance of each match? Or maybe seeming shifts in the card? Or was it all fine and dandy and you feel like singing showtunes?

 

[M]

Do the same thing FalK did in his thing where he ranked the roster in order of their RP quality. Go on, do it, it'll be fun.

I personally feel as if there was a tarnished view on the character M during the heel run due to the subconscious desire to root for him and his crazy antics (ie everyone wanted him to be a face too much, not that it matters since I'm face now). Do you agree/disagree/have any other opinions pertaining to this matter?

 

[Kermit]

We do feel a need for some revamping or slight changes. And I do appreciate the feedback. It gets things spinning in my mind that aren't graphics or hookers.

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I don't know how to say this without it sounding all circle-jerky, but I appreciate both of your responses to this thread. They were tactful and illustrated the cons well of introducing a second title. That goes for guys like Red Skull too, and everyone else that briefly participated in the small forum of discussion.

Also, apologies for the intrusion frog (since we kind of just jumped into your lilypad to have a discussion about WZCW). I know it's your thread but y'know, this happens sometimes. So I will ask you a question:

When you converse with your brethren and someone says the phrase "fly on the wall", is that taken as sarcasm or are you guys perverted freaks of nature that need to be exterimated via garlic cloves and a frypan heated to about 180 degrees Celsius?

No apologies necessary. I started the engine.

"Fly on the wall" is never taken as sarcasm in my family. NEVER. There are starving frogs in 3rd world countries, so our mother always taught us to never joke about food hanging from the wall so freely.

An actual fed related one. How do you feel about the hype for KC6? Do you feel it's better than previous years, or underwhelming? Perhaps focus spreaded over matches rather than defining the importance of each match? Or maybe seeming shifts in the card? Or was it all fine and dandy and you feel like singing showtunes?

The more I think about it, the more I think that the hype this year isn't so much different to KC IV. However, last year had a sizable amount of hype and excitement. I think that is due more to the fact that it was the fifth installment than anything else. We also introduced a new concept with the HoF.

This year just took an initial hit in anticipation for me with the falling out of the Pale Riders. I'm not sure if it has even been throw out there publicly, but we were headed for a AoC reunion to combat the Pale Riders. The concept seemed so epic that it was big let down when it all crumbled.

However, with the SuperShow coming I am starting to feel the buzz again. Aftershock tied up some things as Falk said it would, and I am interested in whoever this mystery opponent is for Ty so late in the cycle. Once the SuperShow is over, match discussion threads (which I am sure you guys are alreay going to do), a KC contest for regular members (predictions maybe?), and an actual LD for the PPV would be the final things that Creative could do to complete a better atmosphere. Anything beyond that would just be bonus.

With that being said, it's time that I finally challenge some other people help build the atmosphere. Where is the non-creative community buzz?

Wearing the KC sigs are a step in the right direction, but we all need to temporarily abandon our own threads (I am recently guilty of) and head back to the general discussion thread. At least for the PPV. Not saying these personal threads are bad at all, but it seems to be dividing discussion outside of a common neutral ground. They need to at least not be the hub of discussion for the next few weeks.

Also, Dynamite needs to tune up the podcast gear.

Do the same thing FalK did in his thing where he ranked the roster in order of their RP quality. Go on, do it, it'll be fun.

I personally feel as if there was a tarnished view on the character M during the heel run due to the subconscious desire to root for him and his crazy antics (ie everyone wanted him to be a face too much, not that it matters since I'm face now). Do you agree/disagree/have any other opinions pertaining to this matter?

I don't think it would be fair at this point if I did that. I am not on Creative like Falk so I do not read all of the RPs. I would mainly be basing what I know from LL's RPs and AoN RPs. My RP reading game has not been the same since leaving Creative. I have read bits and pieces of guys along the way, but not enough to formulate a solid ranking system for the calendar year.

I do not see the character being "tarnished" at all. Unless you wanted him to be a pure heel, and in that case, why did you not write him as so? The RPs I read of M were always fun and off the wall. Much like Alhazred, who has made a living off of being vile and loved.

You've found yourself in a unique alignment which is not easy to manufacture in a written fed. Alignments like yours have to develop organically. That alignment being a zany heel/face who can do almost anything he wants and still get cheered for it. Enjoy it because I've only ever seen you and Alhazred wield such a status.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

Also, Dynamite needs to tune up the podcast gear.

Soon.