Seems to me that there is a lot of jealousy here, like it or not HBK saved WWF in the 90's and carried it on his back until Rock and Austin were ready to carry the torch!
By "save", I'm sure you mean irritating and alienating the company's top draw in Bret Hart, acting childish and being addicted multiple drugs, was the champion during the worst drawing period in WWF/E history, was champion while ratings tanked and PPV buys plummeted, and was on top when the WWF nearly went out of business.
Yup, boy he sure did do a lot of saving didn't he?
I agree HHH is overrated but he worked hard to get there and took a lot of heat for breaking kayfabe.
Huh? He worked hard for it? HHH has had everything given to him on a silver platter. And I'm not talking about Stephanie.
I won't deny that HHH has lived and breathed the wrestling business. I won't question his desire or work ethic. However, to say he had to work hard is a crock. He was paired with a former World Champion, given his own stable to lead with cutting edge storylines, and still wasn't over. He was given feuds with numerous main-eventers in the WWF and still wasn't over. It took years of top level feuds, with numerous clean wins as a heel, and doing things that no other wrestler has ever gotten to do to get HHH over. And, even now, his current title reign shows that he's not exactly that big of a draw.
Nash was a poor draw in WWE but like it or not his impact on the business in WCW was major, whether positive or negative.
Agreed. And I won't hate on Nash much, because in every thing I've ever seen, I never got the impression that he ever blamed any of his shortcomings on anyone other than himself. Even his poor drawing reigns, he accepts responsibility for, from everything I've seen. And he's done everything he can in TNA to get guys over.
Hall- Simlair to Nash except way more talented, could have been a great performer but in WCW he was lazy, no real legacy.
Pretty much hit it on the head.
X-Pac-Kid-6 Pac- Sean Waltman- was one of the most gifted athletes of the 90s and pioneered the small man style, he made an impact. Then became an idiot.
LOL
Wow, not even close. Pioneered the small man style? You must never heard of the WCW Lightweight/Cruiserweight Division. You should check it out. Good stuff.
The Attitude era is supposedly the best era in wrestling for a long while. HBK left, Attitude Era begins, HBK comes back, Attitude Era ends.
Great point.
That shit is funny.
And I completely agree with him. The Kliq overrated? Lmao that's such a huge pile of shit.
Not really...
The Kliq were the starters for 2 of the biggest stables ever in Pro wrestling; DX and the NWO.
DX maybe, but not nWo. The starters for nWo came from Eric Bischoff, and he got the idea from an angle from Japan.
Without Hulk Hogan, the nWo would never have been what it was. And DX was nothing more than an nWo rip-off.
They, especially HBK and HHH are great wrestlers. Look at Shawn's age, and injuries he has, yet still he performs as well as, sorry, better, than most of the other guys there.
HBK is a fine wrestler. Won't question that. HHH, however, is not. And HBK has never been a strong draw, and HHH's drawing ability, with the exception of possibly one time period, has never been the strongest draw for the company.
And as for the attitude era. There are 2 big moments people often say the attitude era began with; the Montreal Screwjob, and the main event of Wrestlemania 14. Now can anyone tell me what's common in both these things?
Vince McMahon?
After all, was it not the Austin vs. McMahon feud that drove the Attitude Era?
Or, maybe I'll say Bret Hart. Considering it was less about Michaels winning at Montreal as it was Hart being screwed. And tell me, who is the one guy responsible for making Steve Austin look like a legitimate threat in the WWF? Bret Hart. Hell, who made wrestling fans hate Vince McMahon first? Bret Hart.
Trying to give Shawn Michaels credit for events he was a minor player in reeks of desperation.
Lmao Hogan made the NWO? That's a load of crap. They were popular in WCW because it was like the WWE guys unofficially breaking in. People loved it. However Hogan did no good for that thing.
No offense, but you're completely wrong.
Hulk Hogan is what made the nWo work. Without him, the nWo would have failed as a long-term angle, because Hall and Nash were getting cheered. How can you have a Good (WCW) vs. Evil (nWo) angle, if the nWo is getting cheered as much as the WCW? You can't. Hulk Hogan was the antagonist that made it work. Hall and Nash were just his cronies.
Ask people their favourite stables of all time. DX will be in there. Along with Evolution, the NWO and The Four Horsemen.
As will the Nation of Domination, the Corporation, the Ministry of Darkness, The Freebirds, and the Legion of Doom.
Which is pretty much every faction that has existed in wrestling over the last 30 years.
Triple H is good. And people seem to hate him for that. "Well you've had more than 5 title runs so we have to hate you now". Wtf is that all about? And I'm sick to death of people saying all that shit about him being with Steph. Whoopdydoo. Now sit back and enjoy wrestling instead of moaning about politicking every five second.
Triple H isn't good. I've already been over that.
Oh really? Ask other wrestling fans. It's all over this board. "When do you think the attitude era started?" WM 14.
And seeings as you Kliq haters are scarce, you ahould sort yourselves out and not contradict each other so often.
I say Attitude happened at WM 14.
What does that have to do with the Kliq or Shawn Michaels? Are you going to attribute the success of Hulkamania to the Iron Sheik?
