The Greatest Old School Wrestler of All Time

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To me, The Rock is the GREATEST all around performer the business has ever seen. He definitely is better in ring then he is given credit for. He was very smooth and told a great story every time he was between the ropes. My Top 10 at this point, looks like this...

1. The Rock

2. "Stone Cold" Steve Austin

3. Shawn Michaels

4. Hulk Hogan

5. Ric Flair

6. The Undertaker

7. Triple H

8. Kurt Angle

9. Bret Hart

10. Chris Jericho
 
I'm going to with my top 5, strictly from the mid90s and earlier. This is probably not your typical list.

5.) Jake The Snake. Although he didn't win any titles in the WWF and briefly wrestled with WCW this guy is truly a legend. His in-ring psychology and promos are unparalleled.

4.) "Ravishing" Rick Rude. One of my favorite heels of all-time. I love a good, cocky heel and Rude was possibly the best ever at it. One of the greatest Intercontinental champs of all time, in my opinion.

3.) Mr. Perfect. This guy had it. He was one of the best on the mic and he backed it up in the ring as one of the best technical wrestlers I can remember, especially from the late 80s and early 90s. It's just a shame his personal demons got the better of him, we'd still probably be enjoying his work today.

2.) "Macho Man" Randy Savage. I always prefered him to Hogan. His larger than life persona was always awesome. Former WWF Intercontinental and World champion along with King of the Ring. Held numerous titles in WCW as well.

1.) Bret Hart. Was a main staple of the WWF throughout the mid-90s and some argue he was what kept it afloat. 5 time WWF champion, King of the Ring, Co-Winner of the '94 R oyal Rumble, and first ever Triple Crown champion in the WWF. He was always "the underdog" who made you believe if you worked hard and wanted something bad enough anything was possible. Amazing matches with Mr. Perfect, Davey Boy Smith, Ric Flair, Owen Hart, HBK and Stone Cold stand the test of time.
 
No one is more old school then the HOT ROD. Rowdy Roddy Piper, He showed the world during the old school RAW. "Old School is Cool" I also have to add Carlos Colon, he had great feuds with Ric Flair & Abdulla The Butcher. His career spand from 1966-2008. A lot of guys have copy him ( the low blow) He was hardcore be hardcore was hardcore.
 
The Great Muta, he was mysterious and creepy... still is I would say, he could move like a whiplash, dragonscrew anyone? his music and attire fit him perfectly, he never had to say a word, and I still consider him biting the ropes one of the most disturbing and awesome things EVER, always carried two packets to spew which I still find amazing, on top of that he's still going strong, albeit with a lil less hair, so yeah other people... hogan (obvious reasons) savage steamboat flair sting... the list goes on and on

I have news for you The Great Muta is still kicking ass in Japan, and his new mask is the best I seen in awhile. And he is in great shape for 48yrs old. I always wanted to see him and Taker at Mania but sometimes WWE don't know what real talent is. And most fan don't know that he started the real NWO. Great pick dude.
 
I have to mention the late Sherri Martel, pre-Sister Sherri, pre-Scary Sherri, in the AWA. Sherri was full time wrestler and manager to tag champions. She came to the ring all dolled up in makeup and lace and preceeded to stomp a mudhole in her opponent and walk it dry. She possessed wrestling skill that would make the current divas stand in the middle of the ring scratching their weave covered heads. She was not afraid to mix it up with some of the male wrestlers. She was so wonderful at creating heat by just walking into the arena with her nose stuck up in the air. And the promos she cut would start out all nice and calm and step, by step would work up towards a frenzy with her screaming at the top of her lungs by the end. If some of today's wrestlers, women and men, could take the time and study some of her work, it would be more than worth their time.
 
The best Champion of all time to me was Bruno Sammartino. And the best women's Champion is of course The Fabulous Moolah. The best tag team champs were LOD, the Legion of Doom, Hawk & Animal. The best on screen talent with the best mike skills was and always will be Roddy Piper. I have been a wrestling fan since 1957, and I remember the "Human Orchid", Gorgeous George. My all time favorite wrestling personality would have to be Bobby "the brain" Heenan. Wrestling was better before the VKM Circus came to town. I remember Gorrilla Monsoon's commentary with Bobby Heenan, it was almost better than the wrestling show. Lord Alfred Hayes will never be forgotten either. Mean Gene Okerland...what else can I say?

Today? Micheal Cole? The Miz? YUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
my favorite old school wrestler hmmm its tough for me to pick so if you don't mind i'm gonna pick 1. Jake 'the snake' Roberts the reason for this is because his psychology was amazing 2. His promos face or heel could make you believe he was gonna destroy his opponents are reasons why he is my 1. 2. Sting the way he got the crowd riled up during his matches and the way he would get his opponent off his game plan
 
As many people seem to be forgetting, the title of the thread is “greatest old school wrestler of all-time.” Not “favorite wrestler of all-time.” Not “greatest wrestler between the years 1990 and 2000.” We’re talking old school, and as I normally would get, old-old school. When I think of “old-school,” I don’t think about Ric Flair, or Hulk Hogan, or any other professional wrestler whom was active from 1978 (the year of my birth) to the present date. I only consider wrestlers active before that time.

Thus, my choice for greatest old school wrestler is Frank Gotch, a guy who I’m lobbying to get selected as one of the initial candidates of the Wrestlezone HoF. There hasn’t been much interest in that thread, so he may not get in. But make no mistake about it: he belongs there.

Gotch was the second world heavyweight champion (succeeding George Hackenschmidt) and reigned from 1908 until 1913. He met all of the notable contenders of his era, including such wrestlers as Tom Jenkins, Benjamin Franklin Roller and Stanislaus Zbyszko. He reigned as champion during a time in wrestling history when the sport was considered on par with pro boxing. Trained by the best of his age, Martin “Farmer” Burns, Gotch was a technical marvel during a time when bouts could last as much as 3-5 hours and match action rarely left the mat. To those not in the know, Burns was a self-taught wrestling prodigy and was probably a more gifted trainer than Stu Hart. He trained hundreds of submission masters in his day; Gotch was among the first and certainly the foremost.

A mainstream sensation that was arguably greater than Hulk Hogan, Gotch was known from coast to coast and internationally in a day before television, radio and internet, a period when word traveled by word of mouth and/or newspaper and nothing else. He rubbed shoulders with politicians and was a good friend of then-President of the United States Teddy Roosevelt. His talents were thought so highly of by the general public that boxing promoters desperate to lift the boxing championship of the world from Jack Johnson—the African-American fighter who was the most hated sports celebrity of the day—attempted to recruit him. Gotch refused all offers, wanting to stick to wrestling.

Try to imagine a wrestler such as Hogan or Flair retiring as champion in his prime, and then retaining recognition by the WWF or NWA World titles throughout retirement. Because that’s what Gotch did. When he gave up wrestling in 1913, he did so without dropping the title. His absence left a gaping void in the industry, and an official world champion would not be crowned until Joe Stecher took the title midway though 1915. In the opinions of many, Gotch continued to be the “true world champion” until the time of his premature death of either uremic poisoning or syphilis on December 16th, 1917.

To honor Gotch today, the International Wrestling Institute and Museum annually selects a candidate for the “Frank Gotch Award,” which is given to gifted wrestlers whom have contributed to the mainstream perspective of wrestling.
 
actually Prodigal you should usually read at LEAST the first post in a thread if ya gonna post in it, jus saying =) My pick is EASILY Hulk Hogan, and jus so I don't get boned for spamming I'll explain the obvious, Slammed Andre, Leg Dropped Flair, Made WWF, made WCW, MADE PRO-WRESTLING... yeah I summed them up a lil too much maybe, but come on, we all know what Hogan did for this business, NO ONE has made the impact he did as a face AND a heel, because no one has been the Star of the two greatest moments in pro-wrestling history, The slam heard round the world (all the way around that bitch) and the formation of a new world order
 
There's little question the best old school wrestler is Hulk Hogan who wrestled in all of the major organizations and is responsible for the growth of the business.

Others like Andre, Ric Flair, Stone Cold, etc deserve some mention but only Hogan had the leverage to be champion in either the AWA, NWA or WWF after his appearance in Rocky 3.
 
Shawn Michaels

Reason being, he has worked with a ton of wrestlers and has how many match of the year awards? Easily the most versatile wrestler
 
Just one is very difficult, but I can name My personal favorites.

Ric Flair, greatest WRESTLER of all time, best to combine the show side of the business with the ACTUAL WRESTLING side of the business, draw, match quality, best mic work= best of all time.

Wahoo McDaniels, the chops men!!!!! the hardest chops in wrestling history, yes ric flair popularized the knife edge chops and thousands of wrestlers have used it, but Wahoo had the hardest and was the one who actually first used it, and taught it to Flair.

Blackjack Mulligan, wow tough men, passion, tradition respect for the business, old school bad ass.

Minnesota Wrecking Crew, Gene, Ole, Arn, what a team, any of the combinations of these 3 was outstanding, TRUE tag team! bad asseses.
 
I feel Curt Hennig is the best in ring performer we've ever seen. Maybe a bit controversial given the choices but Hennig brought such a smooth/crispness in the ring that was so easy on the eye. Nothing he did looked out of place and there would never be a moment in a match I'd find my eyes drawing away. I think he was a bit underated on the mic as well.
 
HEEL--I have to go with Gorgeous George. The man perfected the arrogant attitude that defined so many great heels. Even today, many wrestlers use the "I'm too good looking and wonderful for the likes of you" attitude toward the audience to draw heat. One of my favorite wrestlers from my teen days was Ravishing Rick Rude, and he was using the GG handbook all the way. Flair used GG stuff quite a bit, and many others have as well. When WWF turned Rick Martell heel, he became "The Model" and even had the atomizers with perfume ("Arrogance") that GG had used. GG had beautiful girls spray him, and Martell used a pesticide sprayer which could double as a weapon, which was a clever addition.
With the emergence of Divas, GG stuff went wild again. "The Beautiful People" and "LayCool" among others draw from that well.
For me, heels are the easier role to play, but the harder role to stand out in for the long term. Guys like GG deserve immense credit for making long heel runs and making it so memorable.

FACE--Hard to argue with guys like Hogan and Sting who carried top face in their promotions for so long. As my screen name would suggest, I think a lot of the Crusher. I'm a Midwest guy, and the face that kept AWA crowds popping for so long was the Crusher. For those who don't know him, he was a working man's hero who had a great talent for comedy as well. He would come out with his potbelly hanging out beneath his barrel chest and cut hilarious promos on his sculpted opponents.
He claimed that his training regimen consisted of running from Milwaukee to Sheboygan with a quarter barrel of beer on each shoulder. He also claimed it was easier when he ran back to Milwaukee because the barrels would be empty by then. In house shows, he would win pose-downs versus Jesse Ventura with poses like "One Keg of Leinies" and the "Half-barrel flex." He didn't have "the look" but actually would have gone over well in the Attitude Era, since so much of what he did was similar to Steve Austin, just limited in profanity due to the standards of his 1970's heyday.
 
First, the Gotch pull is a tough pull. I don't really have a good argument against it besides the fact that it should be noted, he was a genuine wrestler. He was a shooter, and I'm not sure that he ever did work any matches. Therefore he shouldn't count. Many men who I think would qualified existed between shoot and work, like Lou Thesz, but I think that's a completely different spectrum of wrestling; a real one.

Anyway, I'd say if you want to ask a question like this it's easy to get diluted. As far as drawing power, which is all that matters, Steve Austin is proven the greatest of all time. He's drawn more money than anyone else, in professional wrestling. However, if you want someone who perhaps was a great performer, but didn't draw as well and try to have it even out, I'd throw in for either Roddy Piper or The Great Muta. Both men drew tonnes of money, both are or were (in their respective eras and markets) genuine media superstars, and I'd say as someone who spent time in the business on a low level, studied, trained and performed, two better men never existed inside a ring or on a mic.

But wrestling is fake and it's a business, so Hogan, Austin and Gorgeous George should get it, Plain and simple.
 
This is tough for me, because I hate to leave out wrestlers from waaaay back. the guys who actually did "wrestle" and matches would last up to 5 hrs sometimes. Strangler Lewis, Thesz, Gotch, Verne Gagne. Pro wrestling took a major turn around the time of Strangler Lewis, and became what we know it as today.

The Greatest wrestler of all time is Bruno Sammartino. To me, Bruno looked like a modern day wrestler, and it was all natural, no roids or drugs for Bruno. He held the title twice for a combined 11 years. That will never be done again. NEVER!! Another reason why I consider Bruno the GREATEST wrestler is, he was a stand up guy and had the character of a "champion", he was the pioneer of bringing high impact moves(not high flying) into the industry while still sticking to the technical aspect that wrestling was based on at that time.

Now since I'm 24 I didn't have a chance to watch Bruno, I've only seen the matches available on youtube and seen a few documentary's on him. So my FAVOURITE wrestler is Bret "Hitman" Hart. I understand that he was not the biggest draw or most popular, but Bret carried the WWE on his back when they were going through some SERIOUS shit!! The aftermath of the roid scandal, the sex scandal, and for people to say he was not popular is ridiculous. I've never seen a wrestler defend a title as much as Bret Hart did, he defended it around the globe like a lot of wrestlers, but unlike a lot of wrestlers Bret defended it around the globe on a consistant basis. In terms of the technical aspect of wrestling there is no doubt this guy is the best since Vince took over WWE.
 
10 pages and no one mentioned . . .

NICK BOCKWINKEL.

This guy could flat-out wrestle; he had exceptional technical ability and ring psychology. His promos were very calm and articulate, which somehow cemented his place as a major heel. His career spaned over 30 years, and he won multiple world tag titles (with Ray "The Crippler" Stevens) and multiple world championships in the AWA during its heyday. (And let's not forget that he was managed by Bobby "The Brain" Heenan.) He was arguably one of the most hated wrestlers (by fans, anyway) for decades. And, it says something when Verne Gagne, another on the short-list of all-time greats, hand-picks you to be his successor.

As great as he was as a wrestler, if you grew up in the mid-south during the 70s and 80s, then your favorite was (and probably still is) Jerry Lawler/B]. Wrestling ability? Not that much . . . yeah, he can still get a half-way decent drop-kick off for someone over 60, but it was the flying fist drop or a pile driver after he pulled down his strap that you looked for. Promo and story-telling ability? One of the greats. Look up some youtube videos for great story-lines that lasted longer than a couple of weeks to build to a pay-per-view. Influence in the industry? As co-owner/booker, the Memphis territory pioneered entrance music and videos for wrestlers, as well as "hardcore" and even gimmick matches. (Shaving Bill Dundee's hair and then his wife's hair a week later was one of the greatest of all time.) For "mainstream" influence, Lawler had started a feud with Andy Kaufman and wrestled him a month before Rocky III came out (cheap reference to Hulk Hogan), "breaking" his neck and sending him to the hospital. Main stream media was ALL over this one -- and when he slapped Kaufman out of his chair on Letterman later that summer, it cemented his place as a face to marks and a heel to the general public forever. The greatest? Maybe not, but certainly one of the most influential. And my favorite.
 
I love the Macho Man Randy Savage, he was a great in ring worker, and put on some very memorable match

My second choice would have to be "the Nature Boy" Ric Flair, great ring worker, great on the mic..just a great wrestler and definitely one of the best.
 
Bruno Sammartino was the guy WWE was built on, the first true champion, and he held the belt for 7 straight years, he had to draw really well in the house show era to have the title that long.

Ric Flair was the guy who bridged eras. He learned how to work a crowd and perform in the ring in the 70's, before the industry changed it's promotional style and the TV, etc got glitzier and more glamorous, more character driven. However, his outrageous promos, womanizing, partying persona, diamond studded robes and dramatic ring entrances (Flair was one of the first according to WWE to routinely use ring entrance music) alowed him to move right along and become as big or bigger than any of Vince McMahon's "characters" other than Hogan. The fact he survived so well and remained a big draw for so long (Savage did this too) shows his true talent. He literally bridged eras and did quite well.

Piper was another one like Flair that came in and excelled at the end of one era and adapted and did exceptionally well in the next era. His mic skils are second to none, not as good in the ring as Flair or Savage but good.

Those three guys had great success as both good guys and villains. They were also good enough to switch with very little change to their ring performances or interview style, they truly knew how to "work a crowd". Hogan and Lex Luger both had very good runs as faces and heels but played almost completely different characters to do it.

SuperStar Billy Graham could have been here if he had stayed on top. Like Flair he had the showmanship before that was really as big a requirement. He just didn't last long enough on top for me to merit consideration.

Sheik was a great villain, never really a face. Likewise Ricky Steamboat was never a villain, he couldn't play it. He could however give a great match with any bad guy at any given time.

Dusty Rhodes bridged eras and was extremely popular in the 1980's. He definately had the work rate and ability needed to entertain on the road as well as the charisma and star power to entertain as a character on TV. He did have a successful run as a heel alongside Dick Murdock in the early 70's but he's best remembered as probably wrestling's second most popular good guy behind Hogan in the 80's, his matches vs Flair & Tully Blanchard were instant classics. With him it was age that slowed him down, where as Flair was just coming into his own when the promotional styles changed and wasn't that old, Dusty had already been around for 20 years. His best days were behind him by 1989 and he apeared only sporadically afterwards.
 
da greatest old schoola was THE AMERICAN DREAM DUSTY RHODES hands down nobody took more beatings for da sport or made da average man feel like a winner, big dust was the ultimate company man good or bad and i dont kno which side i loved more, da texas outlaws beating up everybody or wen big dust was constantly getting attacked by every member of da 4 horsemen man i miss da good old days
 
Obviously when you think Old School Superstar you think Hulk Hogan, and I won't even attempt to deny that Hulk was huge and he deserved that popularity but in my eyes the best of the old days has to be Macho Man Randy Savage. This man was the Randy Orton to Hulk's John Cena, just as talented and right up there at the top but just a step behind on the popularity and credit. Macho Man was the definition of charisma, his promos were some of the most out there but entertaining things I have ever seen and as a kid watching his matches I was captivated by this man and his outrageous look, to me he was wrestling.
 
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