The best there is

[Slyfox696]

Was Hogan a better wreslter than Micheals and Flair ? Was Hogan a better entertainer than the The rock and austin ?

Yes.

What I dont get is how people can really defend the fact that HBK isnt the greatest of all time. I mean look how much he has done for the business. People still go nuts when he walks through the curtain and he by far has the best matches.

He has put over countless people and still maintains his greatness in the ring. Will somebody please explain to me how that doesnt classify him as great?

No one said he wasn't great. Just not the greatest.

There isn't many people with as much passion as HBK.

Vince McMahon does. Probably more so.

He must be the greatest wrestler of all-time then.

Hulk Hogan was the best overall professional wrestler of all time. (Huge draw, huge impact, great legacy, great champion, great charisma, etc).

Randy Savage was the best total package of all time. (Charisma, psychology, selling, workrate, athleticism, etc).

I agree with this part of the statement.

I love how American fans seem to think that the US is the be all and end all of Pro Wrestling. Important Yes. The Most Important probably not.

I live in America. I watch American promotions. This forum is dedicated around American based promotions.

If I wanted to talk about Japanese wrestling, I'd join a Japanese wrestling forum.

What was that saying that Konnan said.

Something about being gay probably.

Wrestling in Canada a tradition, in Japan a sport, in Mexico a religion and the United States, a joke.

Konnan is a racist. I don't take their word as fact very often.

The best part about that saying is how wrestling in America is watched by just as many people as any other country in the world.

 

[Shocky]

I love how American fans seem to think that the US is the be all and end all of Pro Wrestling. Important Yes. The Most Important probably not. What was that saying that Konnan said.

Wrestling in Canada a tradition, in Japan a sport, in Mexico a religion and the United States, a joke.

yet most guys want to come to America and make American money, who would of thought.

 

[Shadowmancer]

Yeah that is all because of the fact that the Greenback is/was the dominant currency in the world.

 

[xic0nxx]

There is no way Hogan is the best ever!! Except for the disappointment with Sting in 97, he never drew a dime form 94-2001. Other aspects have to be factored in, as well. He is, and always was, a HORRIBLE worker. He was charismatic, and that's it. Triple H was incredible from January, 2000 - the first quad injury. He has had to be carried ever since his return. The Rock could have been the best ever if he had stayed longer. Flair was the total package but hasn't had as many incredible matches as HBK. There really is no argument against Shawn being the best ever! I don't even think a close second exists.

 

[Shocky]

There is no way Hogan is the best ever!! Except for the disappointment with Sting in 97, he never drew a dime form 94-2001. Other aspects have to be factored in, as well. He is, and always was, a HORRIBLE worker. He was charismatic, and that's it. Triple H was incredible from January, 2000 - the first quad injury. He has had to be carried ever since his return. The Rock could have been the best ever if he had stayed longer. Flair was the total package but hasn't had as many incredible matches as HBK. There really is no argument against Shawn being the best ever! I don't even think a close second exists.

Lol, Hogan didn't draw a dime from 94-2001. Seriously, the rest of this post should be discredited from that one line right there. You know, there was this little thing called WCW that happened to kick the WWF's ass (while Michaels was at the helm). There was this little, insy winsy, teeny tiny little thing called the NWO, (you know, the thing DX tried to rip off). I mean, I'm not saying anything, but you know, try watching some pre-2001, non vince McMahon edited version of wrestling before you give us an opinion.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Laughable. That would be The Rock.

The Rock, great as he is, is not a total package.

 

[Shocky]

The Rock, great as he is, is not a total package.

agreed, Rock maybe, maybe a bigger name then Savage, and that's highly debatable, but Savage over all was much better.

 

[Il_Duce]

Some of you need to face the facts, wrestling is entertainment and wrestlers are entertainers. Some people like to see great matches yes, but most people tune in to wrestling to get entertained by great characters. Causal fans don't know the difference between a ***1/2 match and a ****3/4 one and they don't care. Most of my friends and fans in general will mark out more for a sick spot than they will for a ***** classic, that’s because they don't know the difference between the Texas cloverleaf and the sharpshooter and they could care less, because that doesn't appeal to a mainstream audience, that doesn’t know who invented what move and who brought it over from Japan.

People don't tune in to watch wrestlers put submission holds on each other or use psychology in their matches, they tune in to see those special few wrestlers that keep their attention by entertaining them for the time they are given in their segment. The wrestlers that can make the people care the most are the ones that will sell the most merchandise, boost the ratings, make the crowds pop and so on. Most of the wrestlers that could do all those things didn’t win over fans with their wrestling ability, Hogan, Goldberg, Andre even Austin and the Rock weren’t great wrestler to be honest, they were good but they were no where near the likes of a Bret Hart or HBK in the ring.

The fact is there is no bigger draw in wrestling than Hogan. If I do a survey and ask people around who don't watch wrestling if they know who HBK is, most of them will tell me that they have never heard of him. But the result will be opposite with Hogan. It doesn't matter if HBK can out wrestler Hogan, tons of wrestlers can do that, BUT NO ONE COULD MAKE PEOPLE CARE LIKE HULK..

I don't even like Hogan and I’m the kind of fan that enjoys watching great matches. But that doesn't stop me from being objective about the subject.

At the end of the day you have hundreds of wrestlers in dozens of promotions that put on ****+ matches every year, but there is only one HULK HOGAN.

 

[Uncle Sam]

agreed, Rock maybe, maybe a bigger name then Savage, and that's highly debatable, but Savage over all was much better.

Unquestionably, in the ring at least, Savage was vastly superior. I love The Rock, I prefer to him Savage, but he was a poor in ring performer in comparison, although he knew exactly how to control a crowd, which kept his matches exciting. When you "were there" at least.

 

[Cage917r]

Savage was superior in the ring over The Rock, no doubt, but outside the ring, when it comes to charisma and promo's, The Rock is one of the greatest of all time in those categories, which I think is what this was originally supposed to be about, both in and out of the ring qualities.

 

[Uncle Sam]

I'd say The Rock is the greatest promo man of all time. I'll still dazily "ooh" and "aah" along to him when I look up one of his many, many YouTube videos.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

....but savage was fairly great on the promo tip.

he is a SOLID 9/10 on the unintentional comedy scale. Check out his promos from the Warrior feud.

 

[DMan23]

There is no way Hogan is the best ever!! Except for the disappointment with Sting in 97, he never drew a dime form 94-2001. Other aspects have to be factored in, as well. He is, and always was, a HORRIBLE worker. He was charismatic, and that's it. Triple H was incredible from January, 2000 - the first quad injury. He has had to be carried ever since his return. The Rock could have been the best ever if he had stayed longer. Flair was the total package but hasn't had as many incredible matches as HBK. There really is no argument against Shawn being the best ever! I don't even think a close second exists.

This has to be the most ignorant, idiotic post I have ever seen in here. Michaels is great but the best ever, no. He never carried a company and could never carry a company. Hogan never drew a dime from 1994-2001? You're the first person I've heard of who could sleep for seven straight years.

 

[Uncle Sam]

he is a SOLID 9/10 on the unintentional comedy scale. Check out his promos from the Warrior feud.

Botchamania proves this to be true. Just like it proves Sabu is absolute shit.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

cocaine is a hell of a drug

 

[Uncle Sam]

Obviously turned his balance and depth perception to shit.

 

[xic0nxx]

The whole reason Hogan turned heel in 96 was because he wasn't drawing anymore.

 

[majestic-marcus]

Yeah that is all because of the fact that the Greenback is/was the dominant currency in the world.

I'm sorry but isn't that 100% wrong?

he dollar has never been the dominant currency in the world and definetely isn't now, hell I can get $2's for every one of my £'s and the first time I visited the states (1994 I think) I got $4's, correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't that mean the £ is twice as valuable as the $ and has been at least 4times as valuale at some point (and the £ isn't even the most valuable currency their is).

Furthermore, aren't most of the worlds financial companies moving to Tokyo and London cause wall street isn't as reliable anymore....

Anyway, HBK is the best ever and the best there currently is. Though if you wanna say who had the biggest impact on the business I would argue Austin (even b4 Hogan, who is a close second)

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Obviously turned his balance and depth perception to shit.

hence why he missed UW and whacked the guard rail at WM 7

EDIT: I meant Savage...Sabu was high on marijauna cigareetes I do belive...

 

[reezy baby]

Best On The Mic The Rock Best In The Ring Fuck It Best Ever The Rock........but Wait Hulk Hogan If It Wernt For Him No1 Would Be Watching Wrestling. Therfore He Is The Best Of All Time That An His Heel Turn, The Nwo And Singal Handidly Beat Wwf/e For 88(i Think) Weeksin The Ratings.......hogan Is Jesus, Allah, And Budda Rolled Into One Man

 

[xic0nxx]

Someone should tell Unlce Shocky that arrogance is not a substitute for knowing what you're talking about. One of the main reasons WCW went under was because they continually gave almost all of the television time to people that had way too much "character control", which allowed them to dominate the time on television. If Hogan was the great draw that Uncle Shocky says he is, WCW would have done a great deal better than it did. I don't rely on the Vince McMahon edited version of wrestling. Perhaps he should know what he's talking about before condemning others. It doesn't really matter though, his sad attempt at sarcasm and wit makes me pity him more than anything.

 

[Cage917r]

Hogan is the greatest off all time, period, anyone who says otherwise has no idea what they are talking about. He is the bigest name in the history of WWE, he is the biggest draw in the history of WWE, he brought wrestling into the spotlight. So the man wasn't a god in terms of in ring wrestling, big deal, he was a brawler, a powerhouse, you can't compare him to a technicle wrestler, they have two different types of wrestling styles. HOGAN=GREATEST OF ALL TIME.....

 

[Shocky]

Someone should tell Unlce Shocky that arrogance is not a substitute for knowing what you're talking about. One of the main reasons WCW went under was because they continually gave almost all of the television time to people that had way too much "character control", which allowed them to dominate the time on television. If Hogan was the great draw that Uncle Shocky says he is, WCW would have done a great deal better than it did. I don't rely on the Vince McMahon edited version of wrestling. Perhaps he should know what he's talking about before condemning others. It doesn't really matter though, his sad attempt at sarcasm and wit makes me pity him more than anything.

And yet, here you are, doing what most "smarks" like to do, and that's blame Hulk Hogan for all the ill's that have befallen the wrestling industry. The fact of the matter is, without Hulk Hogan, a good 80% (and that's being kind) of people that watch wrestling, wouldn't be watching wrestling.

Hogan was responsible for not one, but two boom periods in history. Without Hulk Hogan going to WCw and kicking the shit out of the WWE in the ratings, then Vince wouldn't have sold his soul to the devil, give up all of the children and Micky Mouse crap he had spent a decade building up, and let Steve Austin run wild with Middle Fingers in the air.

If it wasn't for Hulk Hogan about to bankrupt Vince McMahon, then that change never would have happened. Hulk Hogan drew in WCW, and numbers prove it. Hogan got the most air time, because he was the main reason people were watching, it's really quite simple actually. Hogan = Ratings, and moreso then any other wrestler in the history of modern professional wrestling.

If WCW did any better then what it Did, we would be talking about the WWE in the past tense, not the other way around. WCW's problem was it's inability to create new stars, plain and simple. Blame Hogan, I'm sure you will, because that's what most people do.

 

[Slyfox696]

Someone should tell Unlce Shocky that arrogance is not a substitute for knowing what you're talking about. One of the main reasons WCW went under was because they continually gave almost all of the television time to people that had way too much "character control", which allowed them to dominate the time on television. If Hogan was the great draw that Uncle Shocky says he is, WCW would have done a great deal better than it did. I don't rely on the Vince McMahon edited version of wrestling. Perhaps he should know what he's talking about before condemning others. It doesn't really matter though, his sad attempt at sarcasm and wit makes me pity him more than anything.

And someone should tell you that you know fuck all about what happened in WCW.

WCW did not go under because of television time to "creative control" talent. It went under due to piss bucket booking, AOL/Time Warner merger, and Jamie Kellner.


Hulk Hogan took a company bleeding money at a rate of millions of dollars a year, and in two years, created a company making $300 million dollars a year.

I call that a pretty big turnaroud.

 

[majestic-marcus]

Hogan is the bigest name in the history of WWE, he is the biggest draw in the history of WWE

Yes but Khali is the biggest man...