Tables, Ladders, and Chairs!! General PPV Discussion & Aftermath Thread

[Ambiguous Turd]

We had a bombshell dropped on Raw when Sheamus was named number one contender for the WWE Title. He will be defending against John Cena in a Tables Match.

Also, we have DX vs Jerishow in a TLC match.

What other matches do you forsee being added, or would you like to see added?

I'd also like to hear your thoughts on the concept of this PPV? Is it too many of these types of matches for one show, or do you think varying the types of matches will make it better than maybe Hell in the Cell was?

Let's hear all of your General Discussion thoughts on this PPV in here. Also, after the PPV, this will be turned into an Aftermath Discussion thread.

 

[Theo Mays]

Well the way HBK made it seem was we'd have a mix of the 3. I really wanna know what a Chair match is. I'm thinking for SD we will get Taker/Batista or Taker/Batista/Kane. Not sure if those three could pull off a ladder match (well I'm confident Taker could). So they could participate in a chair match (whatever the heck that is). I'm thinking Kofi/Orton and Punk/R-Truth in normal matches. So that would set up the card to look like....

Table WWE Title-Cena vs. Sheamus
Chair WHC Title-Undertaker vs. Batista or Undertaker vs. Batista vs. Kane
TLC Unified Tag Title-Jerishow vs. DX
Ladder Match for IC or US-Morrison vs. McIntyre or Ziggler (again) or Miz vs. Swagger
Kofi Kingston vs. Randy Orton
CM Punk vs. R-Truth
Diva's Title-Melina vs. Maryse

 

[Ambiguous Turd]

Well the way HBK made it seem was we'd have a mix of the 3. I really wanna know what a Chair match is. I'm thinking for SD we will get Taker/Batista or Taker/Batista/Kane. Not sure if those three could pull off a ladder match (well I'm confident Taker could). So they could participate in a chair match (whatever the heck that is). I'm thinking Kofi/Orton and Punk/R-Truth in normal matches. So that would set up the card to look like....

Table WWE Title-Cena vs. Sheamus
Chair WHC Title-Undertaker vs. Batista or Undertaker vs. Batista vs. Kane
TLC Unified Tag Title-Jerishow vs. DX
Ladder Match for IC or US-Morrison vs. McIntyre or Ziggler (again) or Miz vs. Swagger
Kofi Kingston vs. Randy Orton
CM Punk vs. R-Truth
Diva's Title-Melina vs. Maryse

Just a quick comment. If I had to wager, a Chair Match is simply a Pinfalls match, but you are allowed to use chairs and not get disqualified. That is what logic tells me because I can't forsee them doing anything else.

 

[Midnite Express 2009]

From what I'm gathering, I think Big Show may be taking time off for a nagging knee injury, so I project Jerishow to drop the titles. Everyone with half a brain knows Cena will beat Sheamus, I just pray it's an entertaining match, this has the possibilty of being a dud. The chair match for the WHC is a good idea if you're gonna go with Taker vs. Batista or a triple threat, but to my memory, this would be the 3rd straight TTM and I would like to see a straight one on one match quite personally. Not too sure if they're gonna have a straight TLC match for Randy & Kofi. If so, that could be a great match. Either way, it'll be decent. CM Punk vs. R-Truth SHOULD be the blowoff match of their little feud, but maybe I can see it going another month or two. Expect Punk to pick up the victory and I don't really follow the divas so I can't call it on their match.

 

[Theo Mays]

Yea Sid, that is the only thing I can think of a chair match being, unless they come up with some crazy concept behind it. They could come up with something like a point system for chair shots hit (1 point per shot, maybe first to 10 points can go for a pinfall or submission), but that would be awkward. It would be very difficult to keep track of the number of chair shots given. Or maybe like a Last Man Standing match where you have to get your opponent down for a 10 count from chair shots.

Either way I doubt I order this PPV. But it could be solid or it could just as easily be a flop. Will they continue to make Sheamus look strong and destroy Cena, or will Cena come back and seek out revenge on the Celtic Warrior. Will JeriShow's reign finally end and DX claims hold to their first tag team gold? Only time and build will tell.

 

[JayMiine]

A chair match could simply take on the old match type of "____ On A Pole". There could be a chair hanging in one corner and the first man to get it can use it.

This card seems like it will be mediocre. Only true fans will probably order it to follow their favorite storylines and what not. Undoubtedly the TLC match will close the PPV as a "chair match" and Cena vs Sheamus doesn't spell Main Event.

I'm looking forward to Orton/Kofi, although I wish they could get some type of stipulation. And I also agree that the IC/US has to be a ladder match. Most likely the IC and hopefully Ziggler wins(even though WWE doesn't seem too high on him, having Bourne beat him easily at SS.) Or maybe make it a triple threat between Ziggler, Morrison and Mcintyre.

All in all this PPV has SOME potential but will only appeal to the hardcore fans.

 

[shooter_mcgavin]

As I predicted once this PPV was announced to replace Armageddon. It doesnt look like every major match will be a TLC Match rather, variations of Tables Ladders and Chairs with only one match being an actual TLC.

This could work and prevent overkilling TLC as a gimmick match somewhat. So its now established Jeri-Show vs. DX will be the TLC Match, Cena/Sheamus will be the Tables Match. This makes me believe with Batista using the Spinebuster on the Chair on Mysterio, Batista vs. Undertaker for the World Title will be a Chair Match, though one option would be to have Mysterio/Batista in a Chair Match. If the latter is the case perhaps we could have Undertaker vs. Punk for the World Title Ladder Match?

Though as of now here is how I see the card:

TLC Match: Unified WWE Tag Team Championship
Triple H and Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho and The Big Show

Tables Match: WWE Championship
Sheamus vs. John Cena

Chair Match: World Heavyweight Championship
Batista vs. The Undertaker

Ladder Match: Intercontinental and United States Championship
John Morrison vs. The Miz

Kofi Kingston vs. Randy Orton

ECW Championship
Christian vs. William Regal

 

[Coco]

I've always despised the idea of gimmick PPVs, and this is no different. Sure, we can get some good matches out of these shows and everyone loves gimmicks, but it devalues the gimmicks as things that end heated rivalries when every heatless and/or fresh match-up is given a pointless stipulation that it doesn't need, and which won't be ending a long-time issue. Case and point, Cena and Sheamus. We have a fresh match about the belt and a man breaking through, and suddenly it's a gimmick match? These guys have been feuding for a whole five minutes, come on! It's not as bad as Daniels going into Lockdown one year to have an unforgiving cage match with a MYSTERY OPPONENT~!, but it's still some damn lazy booking to expect a stipulation to give a match heat rather than having creative do their job and get the feud over.

Anywho, Cena vs. Sheamus being such a weak WWE title bout shouldn't trouble anyone when it comes to visualizing how this show will look from top to bottom. Cena getting a fresh, if unprepared, contender just means something else will have to take over and be the big attraction for the show. Personally, I feel this should be the tag title match.

I've read reports recently about Vince liking what Jerishow are doing and wanting to make the tag titles a bigger deal. What better way than to have them finally close a PPV event for the first time since (I believe) 2001? Personally, I believe that if a match is better than the world title match, it should get top billing. I believe that if tag wrestling were given proper attention by the WWE, this should be happening on a semi-regular basis as the tag belts are in theory supposed to be the world titles of tag wrestling.

This should be a good show for putting over secondary belts and new contenders. In this sense, I think the show should accomplish a lot for key future players like Sheamus and Kofi as well as the tag titles. I hope that the opprotunity to showcase these things is made the most of come the night of the show.

Oh, and I couldn't help but laugh a little last night when DX said there would be chair matches. That's the most they've had me laugh since their comeback.

 

[JayMiine]

Ladder Match: Intercontinental and United States Championship
John Morrison vs. The Miz

How is that going to work? WWE won't unify the IC/US titles. It would be crazy to put both mid card belts on one guy. Neither needs the other title as well. Maybe we can get some combined fatal four way where you can only grab 1 title. Like Morrison vs Ziggler vs Miz vs Swagger. And the first man up the ladder has his choice of championships. Could be a good way to bring the IC back to Raw?

 

[spinningtorturerack]

I don't think they would do a "chair match" as such but just be a street fight or hardcore match instead, which would make much more sense. Its only there as its apart of the TLC name, I doubt they will devote a match to it as such.

I'm excited about Cena/sheamus, maybe im being optimistic but i think it could be a good bout with sheamus looking credible without winning.

Taker/Kane/Batista could be good, hopefully handicap with Kane turning aswell maybe.

Here's hoping anyway!

 

[Remix]

the fatal fourway for the IC title is a good idea. However instead of Swagger taking the title, I'd have Dolph take it. Its about time he actually won the damn thing, and while he's booked to look like he's on the cusp of getting the title actually, it's just not looking like he can beat JoMo clean for the title, so have him go up the ladder after a big spot, or while Morrison's buisy fighting Miz. That way Dolph gets the title without pinning morrison (then perhaps they can move on and feud with other people).

 

[Blue Chipper]

TLC is another gimmick pay-per-view. I think it's hurting the particular gimmick matches that's involved, but they're still fun P.P.V's, nevertheless. The gimmick P.P.Vs are hit-or-miss; HIAC was fairly bad, Breaking Point was largely bad, Elimination Chamber was good. TLC, so far, looks decent.

I'm going with Cena to win, Christian to win, and Jerishow to win.

 

[matt123]

Yes it is Batista vs Undertaker WHC
but what i dont understand is how wwe can carry on putting boring match stipulation ppvs on the scene when you think about all this years ppvs which one was the most succesful? i know what i think wwe worst ppv has to be Hell in a Cell yes it gave undertaker whc but what was up with Dolph Ziggler vs J Morrison all about didnt even happen that pay per view has to be out of ten 3/10 i love this website by the way just joined HI EVERYONE

EDGE SHOULD RETURN SOON THAT WOULD MAKE WWE BETTER I DONT LIKE THE FACT TNA HAVE HULK HOGAN (BORING)

 

[goodlay]

Well it's looking like Batista/Undertaker in some sort of TLC variation match for the WHC. These guys have worked together before, and they know how to put on a good match. So with that, the card looks like this:

Cena/Sheamus in a tables match for the WWE title
Batista/Undertaker in a chairs match for the WH title
DX/JeriShow in a TLC match for the tag titles
Christian/Shelton Benjamin in a ladder match for the ECW title

So, what else can they add to this card? I would really like to see Kingston/Orton in a street fight type match, and I think that's what they are building towards after Kingston killed Orton's chances of a WWE title shot on Raw. Do Punk and R-Truth continue their feud post SS? If so we could get a good bout between those two at TLC. I would really like to see Morrison/Ziggler in a ladder match for the IC title, though instead we will probably get a Divas bout with Melina/Maryse.

Regardless of what else they put on this card though, I really feel that TLC has the potential to be one of the better PPVs of the year.

 

[Lethalfan]

The ppv so far is shaping up to be a pretty good. I'm really looking forward to Shelton vs christian ladder match and John Cena vs Sheamus. Shelton vs christian could be a show stealer depending on how this match goes and John Cena vs Sheamus could be good. The reason why I'm looking forward to that match is because I want to see how Sheamus does in a main event caliber match like this. If he does well wwe would probably push him more even though he is getting over pushed already.


Also I can see wwe adding Kofi Kingston vs Randy Orton to the card with or with out a gimmick type of match. Since Kofi beat Randy team at Survivor Series and Cost a shot to regain the wwe title again. They also can add to the ppv Mayrse vs Melina diva championship match since what happen on raw and Mayrse does have a rematch clause in her contract. So this match might happen on raw or on the ppv.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

Like Morrison vs Ziggler vs Miz vs Swagger. And the first man up the ladder has his choice of championships. Could be a good way to bring the IC back to Raw?

So that SD has no mid card title, very clever idea.........

Moving on, i assume that if Christian/Shelton is a ladder match, Cena/Sheamus is a Tables match, and the tag titles are on the line in TLC, that Taker will defend his in a Chair match, whatever the fuck that is. Regardless of what the rules are, it's likely going to be a really lame stipulation, and regardless of who the competitors are, a Table match would make a terrible ME match.

Table matches on average don't last more than 10 minutes unless it's a tag match, so how can they expect an in-experienced mid carder, to pull off a 30 minute Tables match with the biggest face of the company? In my view, they can't. I understand that they're trying to push Sheamus and get him over, but this isn't the way to do it. Umaga and Kozlov both had very early title shots and they're gone from WWE and stuck in mid-card limbo respectively. Does Vince not learn from his mistakes?

So, imo, TLC will be the ME, but tbh, i don't care what the ME is. Lame stip or not, i don't need to watch Taker v Batista again. Chance for mid-carder to shine against John 'I've won 2/3s of my PPV matches in the last 6 years' Cena does nothing to interest me. I don't have such a strong hatred for Sheamus as LaBarr seems to, but i really don't want to watch another new guy get a title shot just to watch Cena walk out with the victory at the end of it all, and while TLC is usually very fun, i think i'll puke if DX win the tag titles, which is the most likely outcome (and i did actually say the other day, that'd be the best all round decision they could go with, and not JUST because Show is injured).

Assuming that i actually have to pay for TLC, i'll be paying to watch Christian v Shelton Benjamin. Christian seems to have been in more ladder matches than singles matches, so we know he can deliver, and Shelton has wowed us all loads of times in MITB, but can he hang one on one in a ladder match, without it seeming like the same old shit? That's what i'll happily pay to find out.

I like the idea of them having matches with a singular TLC element being part of the match, but seriously, a tables match for the WWE title? That's the sort of shit you should do on Raw, not a PPV. A Chair match (assuming that's what it is), well god knows what that'll look like, and TLC will probably be the highlight of the night but will frustrate me personally from a booking perspective, so i'm looking forward to Christian v Shelton, and i'm guessing Kofi v Orton, and imo, one of these two matches will steal the show at the TLC PPV.

 

[Mr. TM]

Should be an alright of a pay per view, following in the line of the WWE's themed pay per views, which have been alright. If there is only the one TLC match, I am glad Shawn and Chris are in it.

The other matches have their posibilities. Well structured having a tables, a ladders, and a chairs match as well. We could see the end of Jerishow, and the seeds for the end of DX.

I assume the rest of the matches will be regular matches. Maryse might get her return fight for the divas match. Not sure what other matches will make the card.

 

[Dazzler 2k7]

Only one reason to order this PPV: Christian + Shelton's ladder match for the ecw title!! + its about time ecw got a genuine opportunity to showcase what its all about.. The rest of the line up is pretty tame thus far..

 

[colalella2891]

This themed payperview may not be that bad, and i'll tell you why. THERE'S NOT MORE THAN ONE TLC MATCH!!!! The last few themed payperviews there have been 3 hell in a cell matches, a few submission matches, etc. But now, there's different types of matches on the card. TLC, ladder, and I guess a chairs match, w/e the hell it is. But, they're different matches, and that's improvement on the WWE's part.

 

[lvis42oo]

What I would like to see is a hardcore divas match but that will never ever happen...Even if it was just a ladder match...Dx will take the titles because of Shows injury and also I think to let Jericho get deep into WHC hunt to have Edge screw him at WM...The idea for the Four-way Double Title Ladder match is a good idea BUT that would mean someone from RAW and SD would have to win meaning you would know the outcome as soon as the first title is captured...ok this Orton/Kingston thing is dumb in my opinion yes it should bring kofi up some in the ladder but what does that do for Orton...I personally love watching him I would actually like to see him out of the heel role.

 

[cole924]

Here's the thing... the WHC and the WWE title didn't change hands at SS. You'd have to think at least one changes at TLC, right?

I could honestly see Sheamus getting the victory and shocking the world. WWE is high on him and he could lose it at Raw w/ a rematch in the coming weeks leading to the Rumble.

 

[jwhunt]

Doing alot of thinking & heres what I came up with. Out of the 4 Matches made for TLC I could possibly see just 1 title changing.

John Cena will retain - I'm going for him to lose the belt at the Royal Rumble

Jeri-Show will retain - HHH turn on HBK setting up Title Match at Mania

Undertaker will retain - It's a toss up but I think the best for him to lose the belt is also at the Rumble to Batista. In the TLC bout Kane could interfere.

Shelton Benjamin will win ECW Title - I think this could be a good time for Christian to drop the belt if they want to do the Edge & Christian reuniting against JeriShow.

 

[lvis42oo]

I never even thought about E&C coming back. That is actually a good point seeing Show's Surgery went without a hitch. They are probably going to retain

 

[Avrusha92]

This PPV should be alright, I mean Cena vs. Sheamus is a first. But it should not be the main event in a pay per veiw.

I think the main event will be Jeri-Show vs. DX in a TLC Match obviously because these are the biggest guys in the company vs. the greatest tag team champions as of now in a TLC match.

Undertaker vs. Batista should be a good match and an intresting match, there was never a Batista heel vs. Undertaker face, because it used to be Undertaker vs. Batista where they were both face. and im very anxious to find out what a chair match is.

I think they should make a Randy Orton vs. Kofi Kingston match in a No Disqualification match. That would be good.

 

[Blade]

I have a weird feeling that Jerishow vs DX is going to close the PPV. I mean, it's the only match that's a complete TLC match, rather than the other main event matches that are just going to focus on one weapon. Not only that, but it's also arguably the biggest match on the card. Sheamus vs Cena won't close the PPV. And a chairs match would be a fairly lame way to close it.... So yeah, I'm thinking DX vs Jerishow will be the proper main event.