Spawn's Interesting Fact of The Day 9-4-08

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

Here's one for the day that sure will have people arguing against it.

Robert Deniro is a one dimensional actor. Strong Opinion.

 

[CaseyisBA52'sGFnow]

FACT - All actors are overrated and get paid to much.

 

[Papa Shango]

Aw, HELL NAW!!


This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. HOW in the blue fucking HELL is Robert Di Nero one-dimensional? He's done comedy, drama, heroes, anti-heroes, villains, cops, gangsters, boxers, ball players, and bounty hunters . He's won Two Academy awards, and nominated countless other times. Robert DiNero is a dedicated method actor who is one the all-time greatest in his craft. Anyone who claims Robert Di Nero is "one-dimensional", either

A) Have only seen The Untouchables, Goodfellas and Casino, or

B) is clearly so star-struck that they just can't get over the fact that they are watching Robert Di Nero.

 

[Monkey_Mania]

Im still curious as to why these are still called Spawn's Interesting Fact Of The Day. When they are clearly opinions.

 

[Dark Blaze]

He did say some of them would be opinions some facts. *shrugs*

 

[Monkey_Mania]

Meh.

 

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

Aw, HELL NAW!!


This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. HOW in the blue fucking HELL is Robert Di Nero one-dimensional? He's done comedy, drama, heroes, anti-heroes, villains, cops, gangsters, boxers, ball players, and bounty hunters . He's won Two Academy awards, and nominated countless other times. Robert DiNero is a dedicated method actor who is one the all-time greatest in his craft. Anyone who claims Robert Di Nero is "one-dimensional", either

A) Have only seen The Untouchables, Goodfellas and Casino, or

B) is clearly so star-struck that they just can't get over the fact that they are watching Robert Di Nero.

You proved my point for me. In every movie that the man has been in, whether he played a cross dressing pirate, an over protective dad, a mob boss, a psychopath with dual personalities, a cop, a thief, a stalker, or a wise guy; he has been the exact same guy with different lines. I mean I would have pissed people off by saying Al Pachino or Dustin Hoffman, but I have seen roles from them where the range was so different than their last roles that you can see the dedication that it takes to full commit to the roles. I just don't see that in Deniro. What I see is a guy who, if someone could do a decent generic imitation of him, someone else could reenact every film role they ever did. I'm sorry, but it's true.

 

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

Im still curious as to why these are still called Spawn's Interesting Fact Of The Day. When they are clearly opinions.

I explained this yesterday and in the very first one. Don't make me hit you with a rolled up news paper.

 

[Papa Shango]

You proved my point for me.

Like shit I did. All you did was highlight some random crap I posted.

In every movie that the man has been in, whether he played a cross dressing pirate, an over protective dad, a mob boss, a psychopath with dual personalities, a cop, a thief, a stalker, or a wise guy; he has been the exact same guy with different lines.

That's because you are not looking hard enough. I bet even if you go back to the movies he made from before you born (not that there are many ), you would still see Robert DiNero. And the only reason that is, is because you are LOOKING for Robert Di Nero.

I mean I would have pissed people off by saying Al Pachino or Dustin Hoffman, but I have seen roles from them where the range was so different than their last roles that you can see the dedication that it takes to full commit to the roles

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People would have been pissed off if you said Dustin Hoffman, because Dustin Hoffman is an even BETTER method actor. I don't know how you got into your head that Dustin Hoffman does the same thing every movie.

Al Pacino, on the other hand, probably has more detractors than Di Nero. To a lot of people, there are two Al Pacinos; the young Pacino, who was very quiet until he needed to yell, and then he screamed, and the older, post- Scarface Pacino, who appears to have decided to shout everything. Pacino has his own style of line-delivery. That doesn't mean he doesn't research his roles. That doesn't mean he doesn't pore his soul into his performances. It just means that you are unwilling to suspend yourself and watch a character, rather than watch Al Pacino. And it's the same problem you have with watching Robert Di Nero.

I just don't see that in Deniro.

I already explained, that's because you're not bothering to look beyond the face, or listen beyond the voice.

What I see is a guy who, if someone could do a decent generic imitation of him, someone else could reenact every film role they ever did. I'm sorry, but it's true.

Frank Caliendo. He can do a decent generic Di Nero impression. I don't see him putting on the same caliber performances as Di Nero. Not by a long shot. Maybe if it was Meet the Parents, or Analyze This. But other than that, pure shit.

Honestly, Spawn, you're making yourself sound like an idiot whose hardly seen any of Di Nero's movies. You sound like the only movies of his you've ever seen, are The Untouchables, Goodfellas, Casino, and then any comedy film he may have made since the 1990's. There is a reason Di Nero is so highly regarded. That's because he is one of the most prolific, versatile actors to ever appear on screen.

Look at his to Oscar-winning performances; 1974- Best Supporting Actor for The Godfather part II. His whole performance was in Italian. Completely different from anything he's ever done, before or since. In fact, there have been only a handful of American actors to give an entire performance in Italian. And 1980- Best Actor in a Leading Role for Raging Bull. Robert Di Nero had to put on all kinds of weight to portray Jake LaMotta in between traning for each fight. And THEN, rather than wear a fat suit, he agreed to gain over 60 pounds to play Jake LaMotta in his older years. If you've actually seen the movie, and you can't honestly say that it is not one of the most dedicated performances of all time, then you clearly had your head up your ass whilst watching it.

 

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

Dude, obviously you did not read what I wrote the right way.

First, let me address that I said I WOULD have said either Hoffman or Pacino, just to piss people off, but I can see their commitment in the roles that they play. When I see Pacino and Hoffman, I see the roles they play, and NOT Pacino or Hoffman. That is called "committing to a role". That is what actors are supposedly paid to do. I just don't see that in Deniro. I mean I'm not saying he's a BAD actor or not enjoyable, just that I fail to see his commitment. For a long time, he's taken the Christopher Walken route with roles and just not dove into them as much as I feel he should. I keep just seeing Deniro. Not matter who he plays, it's Deniro. Shit, I came across a Deniro movie tonight that I hadn't seen before "Night and The City" and it was Bobby Deniro reading lines. Not Bobby Deniro as the role should have been played. THAT is what I am talking about when I call him one dimensional.

 

[Papa Shango]

Well, in all fairness, Night and the City is just not a good movie in general. Irvin Winkler is much better at producing films as he is directing them. The number one rule of acting is that you give the performance your director wants from you.

However, if you really want to see some great Robert Di Nero performances, where he is clearly immersed in the role, then I suggest you either watch or RE-watch the following films:

Bang the Drum Slowly
Mean Streets
The Godfather Part II
Taxi Driver
The Deer Hunter
Raging Bull
The King of Comedy
Once Upon a Time in America- The Uncut Version
The Mission
Cape Fear
Cop Land
The Good Shephard

 

[Afro-Ameri-Spawn]

Well, in all fairness, Night and the City is just not a good movie in general. Irvin Winkler is much better at producing films as he is directing them. The number one rule of acting is that you give the performance your director wants from you.

True true. But storyline aside, it was Bobby Deniro reading lines. It's kind of like Sly. He's had some superb movies, it's just his distinctiveness is what creates the one dimensionality.

However, if you really want to see some great Robert Di Nero performances, where he is clearly immersed in the role, then I suggest you either watch or RE-watch the following films:

Oh god. Once again, you are missing my point. I didn't say he wasn't good. Hell, he is one of the greatest of all time. I went and say Hide and Seek just because he was the title character. But, and bear with me on this, when I see someone like Al Pacino I see what makes an actor multidimensional. If I sat and watched Scarface, Dog Day Afternoon, Devil's Advocate, and Any Given Sunday, I would feel like I was watching four different portrayals. Hell, I could squint my eyes and couldn't picture Al Pacino even if I tried all out. BUT, I just don't get that with Robert Deniro. I just feel like I am watching Bobby Deniro. Now mind you, they are good movies, I still see Bobby Deniro.

Bang the Drum Slowly
Mean Streets
The Godfather Part II
Taxi Driver
The Deer Hunter
Raging Bull
The King of Comedy
Once Upon a Time in America- The Uncut Version
The Mission
Cape Fear
Cop Land
The Good Shephard

I will give you Cape Fear. That was awesome and differential. But I still see Bobby Deniro in each and every one of those movies. Bobby Deniro reading lines. Now each part fits his scope perfectly, but he doesn't have to reach for the role. The role isn't a contrast to him to where he has to reinvent himself for it. Take for instance Sly Stallone in Cop Land. hell, I watched it and could not believe that was Sly. I was shocked. He blew me away. it was his most distinctive role since F.I.S.T. But I didn't get that watching Deniro. I felt like I was watching high quality, but it was nothing different. No commitment needed. No reach encouraged. Now mind you, I am not comparing Deniro's scope to Scwartzenaeger's, who is awful at being one dimensional. I'm just saying that I only see one dimension when I see Deniro. And maybe is has something to do with being typecast. But it's jsut my observation. Forgive me?

 

[Papa Shango]

No.