So you have to be a foreigner to get pushed in the WWE now?
- Thread starter Savion83
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Dude! You got one more time to call me or my thread ******ed okay? Second! Does it matter that I'm from the east bay? You didn't answer my question though. Your saying that even though "our president" Barack Obama is trying to clean up this mess that Geogre W. Bush made, by bringing a "change" to our country. Your already giving up on that quest for change? I pity you then my fellow wrestling fan.
DirtyJosé
Best angle of all: retirement
Savion83 said:
Mmm, I like me some ultimatums.
This thread is ******ed. It's creator is also on the slow side. He rides the short bus.
What? What is this ******ed nonsense?
Again, you have failed to demonstrate how the foreign born wrestlers are taking over. You have given no evidence that the WWE favors foreign born performers and staff, and have instead made yourself look quite foolish. Would you like to at least try and defend yourself here, or would you like to continue posting garbage?
XgringolocoX
Championship Contender
IS this the daily redneck thread? WTF is the OP's issue? We've been screaming and crying for new talents...and we've been given a whole fucking bunch of them. Some of the cream of this crop happens to be from the other side of the pond...so fucking what? I don't give a rat's ass where they come from, just as long as they do the fucking job. Sheamus has been stepping up and I'm happy for it. Barrett is well on his way to being a kick ass wrestler. McIntire has a bit more work to do, but is entertaining. I love to hate that guy.
Were you crying when Edge was winning all his titles? How about when E&C were on top of the tag division? Ever complain when Y2J was on top of the mountain? These are all foreigners too as they come from Canada!
Could someone please delete this fucktard's account?
Were you crying when Edge was winning all his titles? How about when E&C were on top of the tag division? Ever complain when Y2J was on top of the mountain? These are all foreigners too as they come from Canada!
Could someone please delete this fucktard's account?
CJ The Pirate
Schwing
Exactly. The term 'Foreigner' just holds so many racist connotations. It's a very ugly word which basically means anyone who isn't from where you call home. So you basically have just lumped all British, French, Germans, Italians, Spanish, Mexicans, Canadians, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, Pakistani, Iraqi, Israeli, South African, Australian and everyone else in the world together as being 'Different.' We are all unique and we all have the exact same rights. I make it a point to always refer to people from at least the country they are from. With regard to America, I try, if I can, to name at least the state they are from. It is the purest form of ignorance to just widely group someone like 'Foreigner.' I personally take great offence to being refered to as a European. No. It's not that simple. If you were to meet a friend, you wouldn't say, Hey... lets meet in New York. No, You'd specify. Times Square... in Starbucks.
Show some respect, you might actually win back some of ours.
Show some respect, you might actually win back some of ours.
Max Headroom
The Master of Disaster
Oh how I laugh at this. I'm making this short and simple: your completely ******ed, like everyone else stated. If they didn't push foreign(however it's spelt) wrestlers, there would be complaints about that too(for a much better reason).
Who would want to watch a show who supports americans only? Why don't we let Vince sell the company to you and the rest of the KKK and we'll see how fast it goes down the shitter.
People should be pushed for talent, not where their born. Get a grip on realitty der me buddy.
Who would want to watch a show who supports americans only? Why don't we let Vince sell the company to you and the rest of the KKK and we'll see how fast it goes down the shitter.
People should be pushed for talent, not where their born. Get a grip on realitty der me buddy.
XgringolocoX
Championship Contender
The following is the definition of ignorance. Just in case some of you were confused.
It's racist, but so insanely ignorant it's funny.
The WWE isn't being racist towards Americans. They're trying to find the best wrestlers for now, and later on. They're being smart and pushing who they feel is worthy regardless of national origin. Personally I think having a more diverse group of wrestlers makes it so much better. Work it proper and you give your audience that THIS is the place the whole damn world want to compete.
So when do we get to tar and feather the OP?
It's racist, but so insanely ignorant it's funny.
The WWE isn't being racist towards Americans. They're trying to find the best wrestlers for now, and later on. They're being smart and pushing who they feel is worthy regardless of national origin. Personally I think having a more diverse group of wrestlers makes it so much better. Work it proper and you give your audience that THIS is the place the whole damn world want to compete.
So when do we get to tar and feather the OP?
Da 1 called Phate
New Member
Man this thread is horrible and to me you sound like you were saying the words as you had typed them out in your lil....i would not say racist.... but like the others have said.... xenophobic mind!!! I am half Puerto Rican and half Black and in a way I loved seein R Truth (Black), Rey Rey (Hispanic), and Sheamus (Irish) get some type of title in their hands... plus Yoshi may not have had a title yet but hell i think he is just as great. You need to check your words before you come on here and demean us minorities because you think we the only ones getting pushed!!!!
Oh and a side note:
1) To all the Caucasians and Canadian Fans on here and WWE Stars/Divas...be proud that any one in the the WWE gets pushes into their superstar status because it is hard for someone of ANY SKIN COLOR OR RACE/ETHNIC background to get into Vinces world!!!!!
Oh and a side note:
1) To all the Caucasians and Canadian Fans on here and WWE Stars/Divas...be proud that any one in the the WWE gets pushes into their superstar status because it is hard for someone of ANY SKIN COLOR OR RACE/ETHNIC background to get into Vinces world!!!!!
The Con Volt
Your Straight-Edge Savior
Ugh. Dude, you suck so hard. Some of your other threads before this were bullshit, but I left you alone then. Now, you've really proven your ignorance. We all know you don't have your facts straight, so I'll avoid that point. But I have to ask you something. WHO CARES? Aren't we supposed to believe as "smarks" that the championship belts really are just a prop? Who cares if it's CM Punk, Rey Mysterio, Jack Swagger, Edge, or the Great fucking Khali who has a belt on? It's wrestling for christ's sake. Just leave well enough alone and enjoy it. And by the way, stop trying to act hard on the internet, "You got one more time to call me or my thread ******ed okay?" It's not working. And what are you gonna do? Find us? Please. You're lucky to not already have your profile deleted by now. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's reported the xenophobic asshole.
lmao, I saw someone mention "go back to the KKK" and that's exactly what I was thinking when I saw this thread.
Savion 83, your making a deal about WWE pushing foreigners as if your an American speaking for all Americans ... when your the true foreigner (mentally) because of your narrow minded way of thinking.
America is about freedom and unity and obviously, non of us here on this great site agree or are united with your way of thinking.
You are probably just another hillbilly redneck living in a mobile home making it with your sister. No wonder your slow ... yo mom and paps are prolly related too lmao.
Let the bigotry go man!
Savion 83, your making a deal about WWE pushing foreigners as if your an American speaking for all Americans ... when your the true foreigner (mentally) because of your narrow minded way of thinking.
America is about freedom and unity and obviously, non of us here on this great site agree or are united with your way of thinking.
You are probably just another hillbilly redneck living in a mobile home making it with your sister. No wonder your slow ... yo mom and paps are prolly related too lmao.
Let the bigotry go man!
Boy you really think that this is something new about them pushing foreigners? In the 80's you had guys like Andre the Giant, Iron Shiek, Ivan Putski...Hell the reason he gave Terry Bollea the name Hulk Hogan because he wanted something that sounded Irish. The 90's you had Bret Hart, Yokozuna, Roddy Piper, The Rock, and starting in 2000 you had guys like Khali. So whats the difference if there from a different country or pretending to be? Just happens to be that now there is recognizable talent in the cross country gene pool and the WWE is exploiting it more.
FutureChamp328
King of the Spear
Not to rain on your parade Jose but Jericho has held both titles before he left and the WHC recently a couple times and he's from Canada other than that I agree with you this is a idiotic thread from a moron who should just be happy that he's able to see all of this amazing talent from around the world.
And when did this become a political debate can't we please keep this about wrestling?
I'm just sayin anyone else agree?
Dum Dum Dudley
Alberto Del Rio's English Announcer
Care to explain? As i look at the list of guys in the ME scene dating back to the 80's, i see names like Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, Randy Savage, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, HHH, Brock Lesnar, John Cena, Randy Orton.... not seeing many 'foreigners' in this list, eh?
And the OP makes out that every single 'foreign' guy has done great things and held other talent down. I don't remember Dave Taylor taking the tag belts of London and Kendrick; in fact, i don't remember Dave Taylor much at all.
But the thing that really pissed me off about this thread was the whole 'dey tuk ar jerrrrrrrrbs' mentality that it is guys like Barrett and Sheamus that are keeping down American guys. I think the fundamental flaw in your arguement is this. You claim McIntyre is holding down top American talent, when the main champion on his brand is 'The All-American American, Jack Swagger'
But the thing that really pissed me off about this thread was the whole 'dey tuk ar jerrrrrrrrbs' mentality that it is guys like Barrett and Sheamus that are keeping down American guys. I think the fundamental flaw in your arguement is this. You claim McIntyre is holding down top American talent, when the main champion on his brand is 'The All-American American, Jack Swagger'
the main champion on that brand is REY MYSTERIO hes mexican but was born in CALIFORNIA.
the poster that said is this the daily redneck thread i was think the same thing. im AMERICAN, IRISH, GERMAN, and INDIAN and proud of it
The WWE is pushing a large number of foreign stars right now. Of course they have done this in the past, usually as anti-American heels, even with Canadians, such as Bret Hart. It looks like Sheamus is becoming more liked by the crowd, though. Of course several Americans have been pushed too lately such as Swagger, whose nationality is a big part of his gimmick. So no, one doesn't have to be foreign to be pushed right now. Being from outside the US is just one way to stand out from the crowd in wrestling. If one's look or accent is unusual (both with Sheamus), that's a positive in getting noticed and getting over, whether it's as a heel or a face.
Take a look at NXT1 - 8 guys - one of them was English, one was South African.
Other than Danielson, Gabriel and Barrett probably impressed the most (one the whole - each will have their own opinions). Not because they were pushed more, but because they were generally better all round. You can't exactly say that any of the other 5 weren't given the chance.
I guess it's a little easier to find an edge with foriegn stars. Gimmicks can be pushed a little bit more on stereotypes (e.g. Regal), and also they feel less generic because they sound different and they look different.
All in all though, if your good enough, it doesn't matter whether your from the USA, The Uk, Mars, Mexico, Atlantis... you will get your chance.
Other than Danielson, Gabriel and Barrett probably impressed the most (one the whole - each will have their own opinions). Not because they were pushed more, but because they were generally better all round. You can't exactly say that any of the other 5 weren't given the chance.
I guess it's a little easier to find an edge with foriegn stars. Gimmicks can be pushed a little bit more on stereotypes (e.g. Regal), and also they feel less generic because they sound different and they look different.
All in all though, if your good enough, it doesn't matter whether your from the USA, The Uk, Mars, Mexico, Atlantis... you will get your chance.
Jack Swagger was pushed pretty hard on SmackDown recently, and he's the All American American. I think they are trying to appeal to different demographics, but I also think they genuinely see something in these guys, and quite frankly, so do I. I was quite skeptical of the Sheamus title win when it first happened back in December, but since then the guy has really grown on me and become one of my favorites. Drew is doing very well for himself with the Teddy Long angle over on SmackDown, the "chosen one" thing is something a little different that we haven't seen before, and he's making it work. Barrett was a standout on NXT and he was easily the second best on the show, only behind Danielson who's no longer around. Like others have said, they could have pushed Regal or Finlay if they just wanted a foreign guy, but they waited for these guys who are young and showing tons of potential.
Really? really? are you serious?? have you seen any threads about how the canadians are usually made heels? or when they DO get big title runs, they all of a sudden are americans? (EG: chris beniot in '04 title run, before title, alberta, with title billed from ALT, Y2J as a heel, from winnipeg, as a face, from NY) with a few exceptions yes, like a couple of the harts, and edge for a BIT. but for the most part all people from outside of the US are normally heels. the BIG stars anyway, im not talking about the kofi's of the WWE that they would have to try REALLY hard to turn heel. if cena were from canada, or the UK, do you think he would be as big as he is now? HELL no. if austin were from another country would he have been? no chance in hell. so for this thread to even be made in the first place.. well, im guessing you were high up on the JBL vs foreigners story line of '04. 
The 1-2-3 Killam
Mid-Card Championship Winner
Your argument isn't very solid...
Sheamus: It's not because he's Irish that he's getting a huge main event push and two WWE title runs. It's because he has a unique look, Vince sees something in him, and Triple H personally chose him. The Irish thing is just a part of his crazy look.
Drew McIntyre: This is the only one I can give you. But who could blame the WWE for wanting to boost their overseas sales? McIntyre is a solid wrestler, but I do think his "chosen one" gimmick had something to do with his heritage.
Wade Barrett: Barrett was the absolute best talent on NXT, and the fact that he won had nothing to do with his British background. He's a great talent, and if anybody else would have won it wouldn't have been right. He's the leader of Nexus, and there's good reason for it.
And you think that Finlay and William Regal should get pushes before these new guys? Yeah right! Finlay has been in wrestling for decades and is hitting the very end of his career. And William Regal has been around for almost as long, and isn't ever going to get over with the fans. They made him a King of the Ring winner and gave him a main event push a few years ago, and it completely fell flat. And you talk about Kofi Kingston like he isn't from Ghana... First of all, he's in a good place right now and ran a good program with McIntyre. Rey Mysterio's push has nothing to do with the "latin demographic" of Smackdown, and everything to do with the fact that he was whining to the guys in back about how he wasn't satisfied with his role in WWE. Are you kidding me?!?
And foreigners are not the ONLY guys getting huge pushes right now. Evan Bourne is getting over huge thanks to guys like John Cena and Chris Jericho. Miz has been on a great push for months now, and is one of the favorites going into Money in the Bank. The face of the company is John Cena, and you can't get much more "american" than him. Sure, a couple of guys who were born outside of the country are getting pushes right now, but it has nothing to do with their heritage.
Sheamus: It's not because he's Irish that he's getting a huge main event push and two WWE title runs. It's because he has a unique look, Vince sees something in him, and Triple H personally chose him. The Irish thing is just a part of his crazy look.
Drew McIntyre: This is the only one I can give you. But who could blame the WWE for wanting to boost their overseas sales? McIntyre is a solid wrestler, but I do think his "chosen one" gimmick had something to do with his heritage.
Wade Barrett: Barrett was the absolute best talent on NXT, and the fact that he won had nothing to do with his British background. He's a great talent, and if anybody else would have won it wouldn't have been right. He's the leader of Nexus, and there's good reason for it.
And you think that Finlay and William Regal should get pushes before these new guys? Yeah right! Finlay has been in wrestling for decades and is hitting the very end of his career. And William Regal has been around for almost as long, and isn't ever going to get over with the fans. They made him a King of the Ring winner and gave him a main event push a few years ago, and it completely fell flat. And you talk about Kofi Kingston like he isn't from Ghana... First of all, he's in a good place right now and ran a good program with McIntyre. Rey Mysterio's push has nothing to do with the "latin demographic" of Smackdown, and everything to do with the fact that he was whining to the guys in back about how he wasn't satisfied with his role in WWE. Are you kidding me?!?
And foreigners are not the ONLY guys getting huge pushes right now. Evan Bourne is getting over huge thanks to guys like John Cena and Chris Jericho. Miz has been on a great push for months now, and is one of the favorites going into Money in the Bank. The face of the company is John Cena, and you can't get much more "american" than him. Sure, a couple of guys who were born outside of the country are getting pushes right now, but it has nothing to do with their heritage.
Morpheus101
Registered Boozer
As others have pointed out, it is World Wrestling Entertainment. Who ever said you have to be American to get a push? In today's day and age, that notion is ridiculous, especially with the likes of Wade Barrett coming through and established stars like Sheamus, Edge and Jericho.
I kind of like the mix at the moment. Finally, WWE have decent non-American wrestlers who have been pushed based on merit and have not been given "foreign" gimmicks to bolster their characters and to get them over as hated foreign heels for American audiences to boo and heckle. As for Barrett, his character is that strong that his "Britishness" is often the last thing I notice.
I kind of like the mix at the moment. Finally, WWE have decent non-American wrestlers who have been pushed based on merit and have not been given "foreign" gimmicks to bolster their characters and to get them over as hated foreign heels for American audiences to boo and heckle. As for Barrett, his character is that strong that his "Britishness" is often the last thing I notice.
Heartbreak_Kid_707
Championship Contender
Well Sheamus isnt exactly a established star but i do agree with what your saying...
Barrett you cant even argue, within 3 months WILL BE word champ...
Heritage has nothing to do with it, its all bout talent..Imean Cena and Swagger..All american americans...
Barrett you cant even argue, within 3 months WILL BE word champ...
Heritage has nothing to do with it, its all bout talent..Imean Cena and Swagger..All american americans...
RiVaLGaMeR
Kane drinks the Kool-Aid
Appears that way a little doesnt it? We havent had a true American champion in awhile. Im not talking about born in the USA im talking about SUPPORTING USA. Dont even start with Cena that salute is a disrespect when he turns it into a running falcon chop. All you hear is foreign praise from commentators. You used to have guys like angle, hacksaw, and hogan. Wore the colors or waved the flag. Kinda miss the world war storylines WWE had like the Un-Americans vs the Americans. That was good. I guess Swagger is the only hope.
really? are you serious? what has happened every time another countries flag has been brought to ring side, and i mean when they are not IN that country. the french flag? major heat, the canadian flag? the quebec flag? (not a country i know, but damn well close enough) all get huge heat against them. you really dont NEED someone bringing down the flag to the ring all the time do you? and praise from the commentators? maybe right now at this very moment there may be a little, but how many years have you been watching? remember the years and years of comments made by the king any time someone from France came out? or how canada was "bizzaro land" and all those "idiot canadian fans"
look at the history of the company, out of every world champion in the entire WWF/WWE history, how many foreigners have won it? yes, there has been a bunch, but more in the last 15 years or so then ever, looking back to the old days, you had like.. andre the giant, bret heart, can you really name any others? because most people cant. dont even say Yokozuna either, because he was american. if you were from another country, you got mid-card titles, like The Rocks dad, Rocky Johnson (yes he was canadian), OR got title shots, but didnt win them.
so no. no need for flag waving going on all the time. Cena is about as close as you get for "Mr. America" right now (which, as a former member of the army, i feel he does it justice) and on the heel side of it, you got Swagger. good enough. no need for all the patriot wars right now.
Balls_of_Jericho
And Europe regain the Ryder Cup...
I wasn't going to even bother replying to this drivel, but what the hell i'll put my florin's worth in!
You all have dissected the author well enough and it's clear he has no place in a well ordered society. having said that though, being English myself, a few things the WWE does, annoys the crap out of me.
When we have a RAW over here, WHY is it always billed as "coming to Britain"? It's goddammed England!
Why are there always double deckers, red phone boxes and beefeaters!?
Oh - and if one more time they show a picture of the houses of parliament and the clock tower and call it "BIG BEN" I'm gonna scream! Big Ben is the bell people! the BELL!!!!!
I'm sure they don't do it on purpose, but y'know, a little homework wouldn't go amiss guys!
Incidentally, the guy who said Wade Barrett is British? Dude... he's from Preston, Lancashire. That's England =)
Rant over =)
Me? I have no problem with any wrestler be they of whichever origin or nationality. I reserve the right to love any star for no particular reason (such as Matt Hardy) and I have the right to loathe a wrestler for the same reasons (Rey Mysterio) It's down to personalities, attitude and charisma, not where you're from!
You all have dissected the author well enough and it's clear he has no place in a well ordered society. having said that though, being English myself, a few things the WWE does, annoys the crap out of me.
When we have a RAW over here, WHY is it always billed as "coming to Britain"? It's goddammed England!
Why are there always double deckers, red phone boxes and beefeaters!?
Oh - and if one more time they show a picture of the houses of parliament and the clock tower and call it "BIG BEN" I'm gonna scream! Big Ben is the bell people! the BELL!!!!!
I'm sure they don't do it on purpose, but y'know, a little homework wouldn't go amiss guys!
Incidentally, the guy who said Wade Barrett is British? Dude... he's from Preston, Lancashire. That's England =)
Rant over =)
Me? I have no problem with any wrestler be they of whichever origin or nationality. I reserve the right to love any star for no particular reason (such as Matt Hardy) and I have the right to loathe a wrestler for the same reasons (Rey Mysterio) It's down to personalities, attitude and charisma, not where you're from!
