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No. Lesnar NEEDS to be a heel. His babyface run on SmackDown was the worst run of his career by far. Turning Orton face is a much better move, he needs to move forward from being a tool of The Authority. They could turn Orton face tomorrow with a single promo - just have him in the ring with Lesnar, putting Lesnar over by "admiring" how Lesnar broke The Streak and decimated John Cena, and saying, "Doing all that, I guess that makes you... a legend."

RKO

"Say hello to the LEGEND KILLER".

Instant face turn, instant recovery from a year of being useless.

Fair enough, though the fact that we need to even debate Orton or Lesnar turning face shows how big of a problem they have on their roster.

And I agree on Ambrose.
 
Whether you guys like it or not Dean Ambrose is the most over babyface right now, he's definitely worthy of a main event spot right now. I'm sure the crowd will eat it up.
 
I think after last night their best option right now is to turn one of their top heels face.

Orton's been sort of middling around fighting this person and that person and doing nothing really for the past couple of months. He's already a main event star, and doesn't work that badly when he is a face. And the crowd wants to cheer him.

Wyatt although he's fallen out of the main event picture, would be a horrible face. Rollins no way, he fighting Ambrose the most over face right now. Kane the authority lapdog, so again no.

Rusev, he's a monster heel, and I can't see Lana actually smile. Besides the crowd is dead for him anyway, and I don't think they would care if he's in the ring or not, she's the one getting the heat. Cesaro has been so deeply buried, it will take a month of Sundays to dig him up.

So Orton gets my vote. They could also use the fact that Kane doesn't like him, and Orton doesn't really like Rollins. Also he could get pissed at HHH because he is still waiting for the his rematch from Mania, and hasn't got it yet.

Until the others come back, that's one of their only viable options going forward to fix a short term problem.
 
Dean Ambrose is a C-list babyface. Big Show, Mark Henry, Sheamus, Dolph Ziggler, hell even Jack Swagger are all better potential main event opponents than Dean Ambrose.

Have you actually been watching the WWE for the past few months? Ambrose is the most over face on the roster today, and he got there himself, without any help from anyone else.

The crowd loves him, and last night even in an arena full of department mannequins, they actually seem to come alive when he showed up. He got the biggest and only pop of the night. Fans have been waiting for what seems like ever for him to return. There is no way he is a C-lister on anyone's list but your's.
 
Fans have been waiting for what seems like ever for him to return.

Return? He's been gone for what, a couple of weeks? I didn't even notice he was gone. Dean Ambrose is this year's Brodus Clay. He's very over and he will continue to be very over for a short period of time, and then the fans will move on to the next thing. He doesn't have staying power, nor does he have the in-ring ability or mic skills to make it at the top of the card. Ambrose is a midcard talent, nothing more. Same thing with Seth Rollins for that matter. Roman Reigns is the only one out of the former Shield members with at least the potential to be a main event star, but WWE is sabotaging him by skyrocketing him to the top, which doesn't work in the long run.
 
Return? He's been gone for what, a couple of weeks? I didn't even notice he was gone. Dean Ambrose is this year's Brodus Clay. He's very over and he will continue to be very over for a short period of time, and then the fans will move on to the next thing. He doesn't have staying power, nor does he have the in-ring ability or mic skills to make it at the top of the card. Ambrose is a midcard talent, nothing more. Same thing with Seth Rollins for that matter. Roman Reigns is the only one out of the former Shield members with at least the potential to be a main event star, but WWE is sabotaging him by skyrocketing him to the top, which doesn't work in the long run.

I never understand where you "Very over wrestler is a mid-carder at best" people are coming from. It's the same line of reasoning that Daniel Bryan's haters used the second he won the title. How do you know Ambrose doesn't have staying power? He hasn't been around long enough for you to possibly know this as if it's some established fact. A smart promoter would ask, "Hey, we have an extremely over fresh young guy on our roster. What can we do to keep him as over as he is now for as long as possible?" An idiot goes, "We have an extremely over young guy our roster? Lulz, midcarder at best. Don't even try."

What is wrong with his in-ring skills? He may not be the most technical of wrestlers but he's an awesome story teller in the ring. The crowd wouldn't be getting so hyped in all his matches if he wasn't. He makes every movement in his matches count for something. Watch the way he cracks his knuckles before jumping over a barricade, or his casual shrug before swinging a kendo stick at Rollins. Pre-neck injury Austin was a great technical wrestler, post injury Stone Colds moves pretty much consisted of punches and kicks, but he filled his matches with little touches that helped his character stay over. I'm not saying Ambrose will be the next Austin, but in-ring the comparison is definitely there.

Mic skills? I'm not even gonna touch on that. Most fans seem to consider his mic skills his strongest attribute, and WWE evidently does too. He almost always did the lion's share of the Shield's promos. I agree Reigns has a lot of potential but so do Ambrose and Rollins. WWE put the three of them together for a reason.
 
They are out of faces and star power. They might bring some more legends around for a bit. Maybe fill some time like they did with the Hogan/flair/michaels segment a few weeks ago.
 
Return? He's been gone for what, a couple of weeks? I didn't even notice he was gone. Dean Ambrose is this year's Brodus Clay. He's very over and he will continue to be very over for a short period of time, and then the fans will move on to the next thing. He doesn't have staying power, nor does he have the in-ring ability or mic skills to make it at the top of the card. Ambrose is a midcard talent, nothing more. Same thing with Seth Rollins for that matter. Roman Reigns is the only one out of the former Shield members with at least the potential to be a main event star, but WWE is sabotaging him by skyrocketing him to the top, which doesn't work in the long run.

A couple of weeks in this industry can make or break a wrestler. He's part of the hottest feud right now with his former Shield member, and he's the one who is generating the heat for Rollins. If you didn't notice he was gone then you're an idiot, as that was the reason Reigns took off after Rollins, for what he did to Ambrose.

This guy is white hot right now, and if the WWE doesn't take advantage of it, then they are idiots as well. He has great in ring skills, go watch some of the Youtube videos when he was Jon Moxley in the indies, you'll see at whole new person.

I would also argue that he has the best mic skills right behind, The Rock, Wyatt and Jericho. His facials expressions are just fantastic, and if you put him up against the other Shield members, they aren't even on the same planet.

They all have the skills to be main event stars. Reigns has the look and the other two have the other skills. That's why the Shield was as great as it was, separately their not equal to the sum of it's parts. The two that have the most potential is Reigns and Ambrose, Rollins will get there, but needs help from the Authority to do it. The other two can do it on their own.
 
This will be a good thing for reigns as he will return to a much bigger pop. And they can build him up again. He's been booked really poorly as of late, and his mic skills are letting him down big time. If he is back in time for mania, they have to somehow book a shield triple threat....IMHO Ambrose and Rollins are both streaks ahead of reigns in the talent department, Reigns need to improve big time in order to truly deserve top spot, but needs to be booked properly. What I think would be perfect royal rumble reigns returns 4 men left in the ring the shield and.....Daniel Bryan (also on in ring return). The 3 shield members simultaneously turn on one another and eliminate each other Bryan just watches and wins rumble just standing back watching lol that would be classic....

But in the mean time books Ambrose Rollins as an on going thing...push them both for top spot. With Reigns out give someone new a bigger push, I'd love to see Fergal Devit skip nxt all together and go straight onto raw, he's an amazing talent. But in reality turn both sheamus and ziggler heel, and push cesaro as a face.
 
A couple of weeks in this industry can make or break a wrestler. He's part of the hottest feud right now with his former Shield member, and he's the one who is generating the heat for Rollins. If you didn't notice he was gone then you're an idiot, as that was the reason Reigns took off after Rollins, for what he did to Ambrose.


I didn't mean "I didn't notice he was gone" as in LITERALLY, I meant that his absence did not in any way affect the show. I missed him no more than I would miss if Kofi Kingston wasn't around for a while.

I never understand where you "Very over wrestler is a mid-carder at best" people are coming from. It's the same line of reasoning that Daniel Bryan's haters used the second he won the title. How do you know Ambrose doesn't have staying power? He hasn't been around long enough for you to possibly know this as if it's some established fact. A smart promoter would ask, "Hey, we have an extremely over fresh young guy on our roster. What can we do to keep him as over as he is now for as long as possible?" An idiot goes, "We have an extremely over young guy our roster? Lulz, midcarder at best. Don't even try."

Mic skills? I'm not even gonna touch on that. Most fans seem to consider his mic skills his strongest attribute, and WWE evidently does too. He almost always did the lion's share of the Shield's promos. I agree Reigns has a lot of potential but so do Ambrose and Rollins. WWE put the three of them together for a reason.

I know Ambrose doesn't have main event staying power the same way I knew Ryback was going to fail as a top star, and the same way I knew Big E wasn't going to make it to main event level. Some things are very obvious. Dean Ambrose is a mediocre wrestler, with goofy facial expressions and bland promos. He's more like Brian Pillman than Stone Cold - over the top and ridiculous. I never liked Pillman (and I won't pretend to simply because he's dead, the guy was terrible) and I don't like Ambrose. He's done zilch to impress me.

And you're right, WWE put the three Shield members together for a reason - to cover for each others' weaknesses. Seth Rollins is the best in-ring of the group, but couldn't cut a promo to save his life. Roman Reigns has the intensity, the look, and the "it factor" of a main event star, but is even worse on the mic than Rollins. Dean Ambrose is mediocre in the ring, bland on the microphone, and his goofy facial expressions make it difficult to even try to take him seriously.
 
I know Ambrose doesn't have main event staying power the same way I knew Ryback was going to fail as a top star, and the same way I knew Big E wasn't going to make it to main event level. Some things are very obvious. Dean Ambrose is a mediocre wrestler, with goofy facial expressions and bland promos. He's more like Brian Pillman than Stone Cold - over the top and ridiculous. I never liked Pillman (and I won't pretend to simply because he's dead, the guy was terrible) and I don't like Ambrose. He's done zilch to impress me.

And you're right, WWE put the three Shield members together for a reason - to cover for each others' weaknesses. Seth Rollins is the best in-ring of the group, but couldn't cut a promo to save his life. Roman Reigns has the intensity, the look, and the "it factor" of a main event star, but is even worse on the mic than Rollins. Dean Ambrose is mediocre in the ring, bland on the microphone, and his goofy facial expressions make it difficult to even try to take him seriously.

All wrestlers are a bit over the top, it's the nature of the industry. The more over the top you are, they more you get noticed.

I never try to compare one wrestler with another, as in Ambrose/Pillman. They are to totally different people, and I wasn't really a Pillman fan either, but I am of Ambrose. Might the be fact that when Pillman was around, the product was just better than it is today. Also the wrestlers today have gotten a little bland and Ambrose provides chaos in an otherwise boring roster.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but just because you don't like someone doesn't mean their a bad wrestler. I'm not a Cena fan, but I do appreciate what he does in the ring and outside of it.
 
Like I said before Brock winning tonight is bad for business. They let Cena win in a brutal match, Seth comes running out cashes in his brief case and he is the new Champion. Brock is not appearing on Raw tomorrow night and he is not suppose to be at Hell in a cell. Brock can get his rematch at Survivor Series, he can win the title back. Seth fights Big Show tonight and than takes the Championship later tonight. On Raw Seth is celebrating and Dean comes out, they feud some more leading up to Hell in a cell for the title. You have Title match for Hell in a cell and a fan favorite is still in the picture for the title (Dean).
So your logic for Brock winning being a bad thing is that you read somewhere that Brock wouldn't be at Hell in a Cell. This is why I hate the dirt sheets. Brock vs Cena is probably going to happen at Hell in a Cell, it will be awesome because it will have months (years really) of build. You also get (hopefully in a cell) Rollins vs Ambrose.

As far as what to do without Reigns, just put someone else there. I don't know why you guys were all over him for so long. Around the Rumble everyone was "Reigns is the future". Why? What's the appeal? He's good, has a good look, but he's not at all as good as Ambrose. The WWE will be fine without Reigns and a Reigns comeback around Rumble time might actually do him well.
 
And you're right, WWE put the three Shield members together for a reason - to cover for each others' weaknesses. Seth Rollins is the best in-ring of the group, but couldn't cut a promo to save his life. Roman Reigns has the intensity, the look, and the "it factor" of a main event star, but is even worse on the mic than Rollins. Dean Ambrose is mediocre in the ring, bland on the microphone, and his goofy facial expressions make it difficult to even try to take him seriously.

Cena has mediocre in ring work, cuts a good promo at best once an year, looks like a old guy trying to be a rapper, and has been there for 20 years.

Your argument is invalid sir :p
 
As far as what to do without Reigns, just put someone else there. I don't know why you guys were all over him for so long. Around the Rumble everyone was "Reigns is the future". Why? What's the appeal? He's good, has a good look, but he's not at all as good as Ambrose. The WWE will be fine without Reigns and a Reigns comeback around Rumble time might actually do him well.

I don't think Reigns is the be-all end-all the way so many do, but he's much more of a star than Ambrose. They're equally decent in the ring with neither being especially good at actual wrestling, Ambrose is a better brawler but Reigns is much more intense and fluid, so they're even there. Reigns can't cut a promo to save his life, and Ambrose's promos sound like he's drunk and his goofy facial expressions detract from the impact of everything he tries to say, so they're even again. Roman Reigns has the look, the intensity, and the "it factor" that Dean Ambrose is sorely lacking. Ambrose is just one midcarder in a sea of better midcard talent. Reigns at least has the potential to be a main event star in the long-term. Ambrose might be a short-term main eventer for a brief time eventually, but I don't see him lasting as a top star unless he makes some MASSIVE improvements across the board.
 

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