So...Tommy Dreamer's promo...

[Blueshirt]

Few things first...
So, first RVD embarrasses himself with his promo where he stutters the entire way through and blatantly forgets what he is saying at least three times.

Second, i guarantee that 99% of the people who chant ECW never saw an ECW show when it was actually airing. I myself had to find it on basic cable at 10pm on random nights growing up. And truly, what I remember the most about ECW programming was its awful production values (no, it wasn't the "charm" of ECW) and how 1/2 of the show was spent on ECW infomercials. Sure, the matches were phenomenal when they actually aired, but I think more time was spent trying to get people to call the phone line then actually watch the show.

Finally, Mic Foley is as ECW as Steve Austin. I may be wrong, but truly I never think of ECW when I think of Mic Foley. Sure, he was there, but putting him with the other ECW originals is truly a head scratcher.

Now, onto the promo by Dreamer. First, Dreamer compares TNA to ECW...because of the beautiful people and Flair mentoring Lethal...because women in wrestling and mentoring only occur in TNA and ECW. If you are going to compare the two, don't do it like that, it just makes it seem forced.

Next, he makes the absolutely ridiculous comment that he had to watch his friends who "partied like rockstars" get fired from the WWE...this actually infuriated me. WWE gave these men JOBS when they had none. Yes, the WWE is an evil corporate giant, but what was Sabu, Ballz Mahoney, Sandman doing before WWE gave them a second chance? NOTHING. Independents making scratch for a living. Also, Dreamer, ATM i don't see ANY of these men standing in the ring with you. Maybe they will be added in later, but right now they still have no job. Also, had these men had any true talent (Ballz had zero talent and all Sabu could do was spot work, and Sandman knew less moves then Cena) or could draw, they would still be in the WWE.

Next, Dreamer makes the ridiculous comment that he was forced to watch this and at the age of 38 left the WWE. If he was so unhappy in his role in the WWE, he didn't need to sign contract extension after contract extension. Also, the WWE sent him off as champ. They didn't need to let an out of shape 38 year old be champion, that truly was a classy move by the WWE.

Next, he makes the ridiculous assertion that the WWE ruined the ECW legacy. YES the new ECW truly sucked, no doubt about it. But if anything the WWE kept alive the ECW brand through the original one night stand PPVs and the ECW DVDs. Without these, the 99% of people who never saw a live broadcast of ECW would never be able to chant ECW. Additionally, I can't stress this enough, WWE gave these men jobs when no one else was hiring them and this is commendable.

Also, it was laughable when Dreamer kept saying give us "ONE NIGHT." Yes, One Night Stand. I get it.

Sorry, his promo just really made me angry. I loved ECW as a kid and I truly enjoyed TNA before the Hogan era, but now the programming just makes me mad and sad that the quality has just gone downhill.

Does anyone else agree with me? Did Dreamer just come off looking silly or am I the one who is looking bad here?

 

[Suneeboy]

I am too completely annoyed with TNA to even provide a detailed response. Your post deserves a long winded response, but it's 11:25 PM, and I've been up since 6:00 AM. I read the spoilers, and I wanted to see how it came off on Television since I didn't catch most of the show last week.

RVD's promo was the worst promo that I've ever seen given by a world champ, and one of the worst promo's I've seen in all my years of watching wrestling. The Great Khali's given better promos than that. Then Dreamer comes out and breaks kayfabe for 15 minutes, and becomes a complete buzz kill to an already awful show.

All I can say is I agree with you 100%, and although I didn't want it to be this way, TNA needs to just go away for good. This is just awful, and I don't care how true of a fan anyone is of TNA, they have to be shitting in their pants as they watch the company they love die before their eyes. What a fucking shit show man. Unbelievable. I am at a loss for words, very sleepy, and mad at myself for staying up to watch this garbage. TNA's answer to SummerSlam is a fucking ECW PPV with 40 year old washed up wrestlers headlined by Jerry Lynn versus Rob Van Dam. What a fucking joke man.

 

[dogmanx23]

RVD is high most of the time and he was never a great promo guy. He's great because of his wrestling ability not his mic work.

I remember the first time i saw ECW. Sunday night 1:20 ish AM. I saw The Gangstas vs another tag team. I never saw anything like it and from that moment on i never missed a show MSG sunday 1 AM. It was the little company that was different and I didn't care about the production value. It was showing me something I never saw. Thats why it got me. I tried to watch as much as possible till the very end and try to get any dvd they ever made. I have pretty much all of them, maybe missing 1 or 2.

I get why Mick Foley was there. In WCW he was just the crazy wrestler but in ECW Mick Foley gave the greatest promos that company ever had. Its why was successful in WWE as mankind. They saw hey this guy can actually work a mic. Yeah he wasn't in ECW long but people remember him and he had some memorable moments.

What Flair is doing for Lethal is what Funk did for Dream. I don't get why you got a problem with that. The Beauitful people was a weird tho didn't get that.

Yeah WWE gave them a shot and then made sure they took out anything and everything that was part of the old ECW and they did it nice and slowly. Hence the label the ECW Originals. They knew for ECW to work they needed the old faces because no one would care about ECW with new faces. Once ECW was stable they got rid of them. I thought at the beginning it was great because Paul was booking most of it. I still remember RVD vs Hardcore Holly and I was in shock a match with hardcore holly could be so amazing. Thats all Paul's work. Once he was out ECW was done.

I agree with the forcing to watch at 38 stuff. He was there a nice long time and if he wasn't happy he could have left a while ago. BUT sometimes you have to choose money over happiness and when you have a family its hard to make that decision. I don't know tommy I don't know his life but I'm sure he wasn't rich working in ECW back in the day and a nice year check from WWE is probably more money then he ever saw in his life.

Now as for this One Night Stand thing. I love ECW as much as the next guy. in 2005 watching One Night Stand I teared up. I missed ECW that much. It was 7 years of my wrestling fan life. Sunday nights, friday nights or whatever other night it was on I would do everything possible not to miss it. I even tried to recorded every single show and PPV on VHS. What worries me is these guys are now 9 years older. I don't know if they can do what they did back then. Even RVD is slower now, Tommy is hurt, really what can he do? I hope and pray this works out for them the way they want it to work out. I hope they can perform close to the old ECW. Ill be watching and screaming ECW and HOLY SHIT infront of my tv like I use to back in the day.

 

[rondiesel2005]

you know i watch RVD and am like how can he be a champion, and still to this day don't know how to cut a promo so i dont care much for what he was talking about. As for Tommy Dreamer..well i am not a big fan of him, but i see he is tryin..now to compare TNA to ECW, thats a no no because ECW went straight of of business when them people werent payin attention to the product, now his so call "friends" they had a job and some of them screwed it up themselves.

i waited just to see how the end of the show will turn up, i see nothing, am tellin you they better build up the pay per view otherwise they are in trouble. you know sometimes you can't put ya body on the line every night, thats why some of these guys had to take a lot of time off to heal and some had to quit for health reason

yes the new ECW sucked, but the way i see it, it was done so that them guys dont have to put their bodies on the line every night, if they had done that, what happens?? they end up injured and will be very hard to replace them with another ECW star who is also injured...i be surpise if the ratin went up

 

[Zeven_Zion]

I am too completely annoyed with TNA to even provide a detailed response. Your post deserves a long winded response, but it's 11:25 PM, and I've been up since 6:00 AM. I read the spoilers, and I wanted to see how it came off on Television since I didn't catch most of the show last week.

RVD's promo was the worst promo that I've ever seen given by a world champ, and one of the worst promo's I've seen in all my years of watching wrestling. The Great Khali's given better promos than that. Then Dreamer comes out and breaks kayfabe for 15 minutes, and becomes a complete buzz kill to an already awful show.

All I can say is I agree with you 100%, and although I didn't want it to be this way, TNA needs to just go away for good. This is just awful, and I don't care how true of a fan anyone is of TNA, they have to be shitting in their pants as they watch the company they love die before their eyes. What a fucking shit show man. Unbelievable. I am at a loss for words, very sleepy, and mad at myself for staying up to watch this garbage. TNA's answer to SummerSlam is a fucking ECW PPV with 40 year old washed up wrestlers headlined by Jerry Lynn versus Rob Van Dam. What a fucking joke man.

First of all, TNA shitter, Dreamer's promo was fucking awesome. It was emotional, it made sense, the crowd was super hot for it. I don't care if half of them didn't know what ECW was back in the day. Do you honestly think that the WWE kiddies have any CLUE of what happened in their favourite morning cartoo-..I mean, "sports entertainment" company in, say, the last three years? You know? Before they were even born? - Nope.

The show was great. Two minuses in my eyes.

1. Someone fucking beat RVD for that belt and fire his ass on the goddamn SPOT this was embarrassing. THIS is the TNA World Champion. I need to vomit. Make Pope champ or whatever. I don't know, this guy is dreadful.

2. AJ vs Terry should've lasted a bit longer. It's a title match, but then again, I don't think that even TNA management considers that hunk 'o junk a title, so it's understandable.

Aside from that, the show was great.

The whole idea of the Pay-Per-View is nice. It's not a dance off between Kozlov and Santino - but it's still nice. It seems that people see only age and that's it. I want to see what these guys can do, I want to see what the fuss is all about. And hey, call me stupid, but there was a ton of truth behind that promo. These guys need a stage to go off in a blaze of glory, and fuck it, I want to see what they can muster up. Yes, the OLD guys. Ohhhh boogie woogie, old guys, RUN, MARK, RUN! Case and point - the promo did its job. At least on me - the blind, stupid, TNA mark who doesn't understand anything about wrestling even though he's been watching wrestling since he was able to walk.

Can't wait.

 

[sanityisthin]

I couldn't agree more. I don't understand why they couldn't keep it as an invasion thing. It seems too much of a ripoff and grasping at straws. Now some people I know said its going to be like the original ECW. How? Where's Sandman, Balls, New Jack, the rest of BWO, Eddie G and Beniot are deceased. Mysterio is with wwe. Pitbulls? At least at the One night stand ppv in 05 they had most of the ecw orginals. Plus without Heyman's booking to go along with it, I don't see this ECW angle going for long.

 

[Mfinchv1]

I have to agree that the whole ecw thing is just crappy! The Samo Joe and Jeff Hardy match was good.....but TNA is def not what it was two years ago. People have ruined it.....ohhh and another four horseman group...thats so old as well.

 

[Suneeboy]

First of all, TNA shitter,

TNA deserves to be shitted on until they prove that they deserve otherwise.

Dreamer's promo was fucking awesome.

It wasn't a promo. It was a shoot. There is a difference.

It was emotional, it made sense

Yeah it was emotional because he was shooting. It was emotional for him. It made sense for him, but it didn't make sense for the TNA product. It actually shits on it, by saying ECW guys need to come in and put on a show for nostalgia. Shitting on the TNA roster albeit indirectly.

the crowd was super hot for it.

Impact zone crowd pops for anything. They started an Orlando Jordan chant before.

I don't care if half of them didn't know what ECW was back in the day. Do you honestly think that the WWE kiddies have any CLUE of what happened in their favourite morning cartoo-..I mean, "sports entertainment" company in, say, the last three years? You know? Before they were even born? - Nope.

Doesn't matter what the fans knew in the past. There are no repeats in wrestling. Continuous storylines. Reliving old shit for extended periods of time is hindering the product.

The whole idea of the Pay-Per-View is nice. It's not a dance off between Kozlov and Santino - but it's still nice. It seems that people see only age and that's it. I want to see what these guys can do, I want to see what the fuss is all about. And hey, call me stupid, but there was a ton of truth behind that promo. These guys need a stage to go off in a blaze of glory, and fuck it, I want to see what they can muster up. Yes, the OLD guys. Ohhhh boogie woogie, old guys, RUN, MARK, RUN! Case and point - the promo did its job. At least on me - the blind, stupid, TNA mark who doesn't understand anything about wrestling even though he's been watching wrestling since he was able to walk.

Can't wait.

We've seen what they could do. Five years ago. It was good....THEN, but why do you want to see it now? Over the fresh faces?

You can't extract Santino and Kozlov dancing on one show as the equivalent to weeks of garbage TNA television. Through your own ignorance you are missing my points. I want TNA to do well. I liked TNA up until recently...actually I LOVED it. Stopped watching the WWE all together for it. But somewhere along the line it regressed, now I'm upset with the product. Wrestling isn't personal, its just television....and right now TNA is putting out a bad television show. That's all there is to it, and this just added more fuel to the heaping hill of horseshit that TNA has been producing. I personally can't wait for Mark Madden's new column...he has a lot of new ammo to work with.

 

[Kenny Powers]

The RVD promo was pretty atrocious, but he is happy so I guess that is all that matters. I have heard worse promos, but RVD is just coming off way too happy. I can't blame him though and am probably a bit envious. Dreamer cut a good promo, but we have seen it time and time again. It is hard to feel sorry for a man who was kept on the WWE roster as the only ECW original even winning the ECW title. I do agree that a lot of the ECW wrestlers may have got the short end of the stick after the invasion angle, but at least they had a job.

I don't think anyone can defend the WWE/ECW show in its first year though. That year was atrocious with the zombie and macho libre. Not to mention the December to Dismember ECW PPV with Lashley as the ECW champion. Vince becoming ECW champion and the other things I just mentioned didn't help ECW out like One Night Stand did. After One Night Stand WWE should have just let ECW go on a high note instead of turning the ECW name into the joke soon after.

Basically ECW was red hot when it was resurrected with the invasion angle in 2005, but now it just seems like a pity party. It's basically a tribute show in 2010 in TNA with only a handful of ECW originals there. I commend TNA for doing this, but it's too little too late.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

I couldn't agree more. I don't understand why they couldn't keep it as an invasion thing. It seems too much of a ripoff and grasping at straws. Now some people I know said its going to be like the original ECW. How? Where's Sandman, Balls, New Jack, the rest of BWO, Eddie G and Beniot are deceased. Mysterio is with wwe. Pitbulls? At least at the One night stand ppv in 05 they had most of the ecw orginals. Plus without Heyman's booking to go along with it, I don't see this ECW angle going for long.

It's not meant to go for long. It's a one time shot, they do the PPV, screw themselves up, then Dreamer goes back to work on the creative team alongside his buddies ( my clue is that those four will form a hardcore stable of some sorts, Foley being the leader and Rhyno, Raven and Richards being the ones who actually wrestle, they can still go ), and all is well and fine.

Now, I was so glad that these guys didn't invade. I said that some of them can still go, and it's true, but I'd much rather see some new indy guys come in and invade, than the ECW dudes. There's some other stable coming in and I have a hunch that it's going to be crawling with unknown little soldiers.

It's just one Pay-Per-View for God sakes.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

Look, if you didn't like ECW, the real ECW, you probably didn't dig the promo. But if you did, I can't see how you wouldn't love that promo and the plan. WWE has taken the ECW name and shit all over it following their great tribute at One Night Stand. I think it makes a lot of sense that ECW wants the last thing associated with that name/legacy to not be Ezekiel Jackson, Champion, and instead something that actually has something to do with what ECW was all about. With real ECW hero's, and real ECW moments. Sabu, Shane Douglas, RVD, Jerry Lynn, Tommy Dreamer, Raven, the Sandman, and even a guest suplex for Tazz. It's a one night nostalgia thing. And wrestling nostalgia works. It always has, and always will. I'm totally pumped about this, provided it really is just a one night "extreme" thing. If they want to work the rest of the ECW guys into actual TNA storylines as regular wrestlers afterwards, go for it. But the Extreme reunion thing needs to be a one night only extravaganza.

Sorry, I got off track. the promo was a prototypical tommy Dreamer promo. If you loved and watched ECW, and many older fans did, you got a warm feeling in your heart when Tommy Dreamer cut that promo. It was real, with real emotion, unlike the robotic promos most of todays wrestlers give. Lets celebrate our history, and the company that was a revolution in the industry. Will they recaptture the old ECW magic? Probably not. But it's going to be damned fun to watch them try. Most of you need to stop trying to be entertainment critics and just sit back and enjoy what happens.

EDIT: Also, LOL at the guy who said this feels like a rip off, they should have kept this a invasion angle...yeah, because THAT would be original programming!

 

[c.ochoa312]

First of all TNA needs to get in sync with 2010 and leave the 90's behind. TNA booking RVD vs Jerry Lynn as the main event. No disrespect, Jerry Lynn is in his late 40's and should not be headlining anything other than Indy Shows. RVD as champ....total snooze fest. Samoa Joe or D'angelo Dinero should be champ. TNA is slowing becoming WCW with Hogan and Bishoff in charge. Dreamer needs to just go away, I saw him wrestle Jon Moxley in DragonGate USA and boy did he drag ass in the ring. The ECW Themed PPV is like watching Giant Gonzalez vs Bastion Booger in the main event.........boring as hell. TNA has to go back at what really works, the TNA Originals like AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Triple X......etc

 

[red ass skull muhfukkah]

I agree with you that the quality of Dreamer's promo wasn't great and some of it didn't make sense, but the main thing is that the crowd bought it and was extremely into it and the ECW storyline. I think this Pay-Per-View should be pretty good, TNA's going in the right direction by getting Jerry Lynn (who put the X Division on the map). He is one of the few former ECW workers who can still put on quality matches night after night. If it continues this way the PPV should be good. I just hope that this storyline doesn't last long. Most of the originals are old and couldn't work a "normal" match in the first place and it just doesnt appeal to me in a long term way unless its used to put over younger guys, which I think only Dreamer would do. Hopefully this PPV is truly "One Last Stand" and Dreamer and the other guys hang up their boots and do some backstage work or managing.

 

[Sgt Ledbetter]

besides turning this into a ecw debate lets bring up this very important point. TNA isnt even over with its own fans. They have to bring in an old promotion just to get a chant out of the crowd. They chant ECW ECW ECW...LOL....if Im the owner of TNA and my crowd is chanting ECW which is owned by my competition WWE, THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM. I am a indy wrestler myself, and a longtime wrestling fan, and TNA to me just comes off as "trying to be something that it isnt able to handle being"....and Vince Mcmahon is sitting there somewhere saying...."will TNA ever come up with an original idea that actually is entertaining"

One more thought as Im sitting here, and my buddies all asked this same thing.....why the fuck would u book an ECW style reunion show and have it in Orlando ???? I went to ECW arena in 2006 for TNA Hardcore War and it was one of the only live TNA shows I have been to that was booked great and made sense, the crowd, atmosphere, etc.

WWE did a reunion for financial reasons I think, but at least they did it right at the 2 One Night Stand PPVs...it will be interesting to see how TNA does the production of the show, since Vince owns alot of the shit

 

[Zeven_Zion]

You know, Dreamer was emotional and you could tell that the other guys were too. I get where he's coming from. WWE wiped its butt with ECW. So, if people were okay with Ric Flair wrestling each week up until Wrestlemania, and if we were ready to watch him get his ass beat for at least 20 minutes by Shawn Michaels and like it, then I THINK we can enjoy this. Why? Because there's emotion behind all of it. You can tell that this means something to them, the fans ate it up, I obviously ate it up, and I think it's going to make for a great Pay-Per-View IF done right. I just wish some people would reserve judgement before all the facts come out.

 

[Sgt Ledbetter]

As far as Mick Foley being in this new ECW group...it makes perfect sense, anyone who knows anything about original ECW should know that he was one of the reasons it was successful early on, and was part of the talent exchange they had with WCW.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

besides turning this into a ecw debate lets bring up this very important point. TNA isnt even over with its own fans. They have to bring in an old promotion just to get a chant out of the crowd. They chant ECW ECW ECW...LOL....if Im the owner of TNA and my crowd is chanting ECW which is owned by my competition WWE, THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM.

Yeah, one thing TNA has a real problem with is fans not chanting enough.

Again, a great promo from Dreamer, full of actual emotion and real flow, not at all like most of today's wrestlers who love to flip through the air but can't talk for more than a minute before I start nodding off. That, ladies and gents, was a WRESTLING promo, not a scripted interview.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

One more thought as Im sitting here, and my buddies all asked this same thing.....why the fuck would u book an ECW style reunion show and have it in Orlando ???? I went to ECW arena in 2006 for TNA Hardcore War and it was one of the only live TNA shows I have been to that was booked great and made sense, the crowd, atmosphere, etc.

WWE did a reunion for financial reasons I think, but at least they did it right at the 2 One Night Stand PPVs...it will be interesting to see how TNA does the production of the show, since Vince owns alot of the shit

I totally agree. I'm sorry, but the iMPACT Zone looks like Jarrett's basement. I can cope with the Thursday shows being taped there, but not Pay-Per-Views. They just come off as another iMPACT, especially when they're not good, and recently that's been the case.

But, I think it has to do with financial problems. I don't know if they have the coin to get the arena for one night, or if it's booked. I'm sure it crossed their minds and there's most likely a reason why it's not held there. Hopefully they'll at least change the whole set up a little so it seems like an ECW night, not Xplosion.

 

[shattered dreams]

I find it ridiculous that people are questioning the genuine nature of Dreamer's promo when he was clearly overcome with emotion during it. You cannot fake that shit. I thought it was great. I wish people would pull their heads out of Vince's ass and quit trashing things they do not understand simply for not being *****fied Greatly AKA happening in wwe.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

Yeah, one thing TNA has a real problem with is fans not chanting enough.

Again, a great promo from Dreamer, full of actual emotion and real flow, not at all like most of today's wrestlers who love to flip through the air but can't talk for more than a minute before I start nodding off. That, ladies and gents, was a WRESTLING promo, not a scripted interview.

I think it's the stupid arena itself. I might be wrong, but people can just waltz in that arena and watch the show for free ( or almost free ). Meaning that some good portion of the crowd is either lost, drunk, high, read "TNA" and thought "Tits'N'Ass" or doesn't even know what this company is.

But they have their "on" nights and "off" nights. It's a matter of luck really.

Note ::: While we're on that subject, some guy said that TNA crowds pop for anything, and I don't get why that's a bad thing. I'd much rather have them pop for anything than sit on their asses and scratch their heads. 'Know what I mean?

 

[Sgt Ledbetter]

i dont really hear the entire crowd chanting, I basically just hear the same front 2 rows of ******s chanting every 10 secs. I meant the entire building was chanting ECW ECW ECW. I agree Dreamer cut a solid promo, from the heart, and off the cuff, LIKE HE ALWAYS HAS. I wonder how AJ and Samoa Joe and the rest of the boyz feel about all this ECW stuff.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

I think it's the stupid arena itself. I might be wrong, but people can just waltz in that arena and watch the show for free ( or almost free ). Meaning that some good portion of the crowd is either lost, drunk, high, read "TNA" and thought "Tits'N'Ass" or doesn't even know what this company is.

But they have their "on" nights and "off" nights. It's a matter of luck really.

Note ::: While we're on that subject, some guy said that TNA crowds pop for anything, and I don't get why that's a bad thing. I'd much rather have them pop for anything than sit on their asses and scratch their heads. 'Know what I mean?

I apologize if I wasn't being clear enough, but I was being sarcastic about the fans chanting. If anything, they chant too damn much. Either it's "TNA! TNA! TNA!" or "THIS IS AWESOME!" or "THIS IS WRESTLING" or whatever. It often annoys the fuck out of me, because, irnoically given the current discussion, they are just trying to copy the old school ECW crowds. And even those old school ECW crowds only worked in that context. Chants are good, like the "Joe's gonna kill you" or dueling "Let's go Hardy! Let's go Joe!" chants from tonight. Basically, I'm saying that TNA doesn't need to worry about it's fans chanting ECW. They chant all the time.

 

[marklouis]

Well, I was never a huge ECW fan, basically because we didn't get the show where I lived. So I'm not the target audience for the ECW revival. To me, the guys seem old & washed up, except for RVD, who can still do well in the ring. Haven't his promos always been pretty bad? I mean, I think he had a manager in ECW, & that was for a reason.

As for the show as a whole, I'll tell you what I did notice: wrestling. No dance offs, no Brady Bunch contests, no announcers reading messages from a computer. There was a damn good tag team match between Beer Money & MCMG. At least TNA seems to care about tag team wrestling. There were also solid matches between Samoa Joe & Jeff Hardy, Mr. Anderson & Matt Morgan, and Kurt Angle & Hernandez. Who knew a wrestling program could actually have wrestling matches?

I've said it before, I'll say it again: even the biggest WWE fans should root for TNA to do well, because true competition will make WWE better.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

I apologize if I wasn't being clear enough, but I was being sarcastic about the fans chanting. If anything, they chant too damn much. Either it's "TNA! TNA! TNA!" or "THIS IS AWESOME!" or "THIS IS WRESTLING" or whatever. It often annoys the fuck out of me, because, irnoically given the current discussion, they are just trying to copy the old school ECW crowds. And even those old school ECW crowds only worked in that context. Chants are good, like the "Joe's gonna kill you" or dueling "Let's go Hardy! Let's go Joe!" chants from tonight. Basically, I'm saying that TNA doesn't need to worry about it's fans chanting ECW. They chant all the time.

Hm, yeah, I suppose I can see where you're coming fro-...

*** SUPER DRAGON ***

... yeah.

I don't mind them, though. I only did last week during that Sarita vs Taylor Wilde match ( which was awfully bromidic by the way ) and the crowd was going as nuts as they would go for The Rock versus Jesus.

Bah, let 'em go nuts. There's nothing more that I hate than a stupid, silent crowd.

 

[Strife3]

You know. I turned on TNA tonight to watch the ECW crew. For as low budget as ECW was it was still good. The old wrestlers that now are on their way out. each one of the guys in the ring except for Dreamer were fired from WWE. Don't let anything fool you. WWE had high hopes for Dreamer, they put the ECW title around his waist. They let him go when he wanted to leave. Dreamer is a champion and WWE wanted him to go out as one. Watching him tonight get all emotinal, Bashing WWE cause he no longer works for them just burns his bridges with the best wrestling company. Ratings don't lie. It's cool what TNA is doing for the ECW guys but at the same time they are tring to light the flame of ECW, The true ECW that has been gone since before the WCW/ECW alliance that was formed. Most people wouldn't know these guys if WWE hadn't hired them and given them the chance to work.

TNA really needs to stop tring to move in the direction WWE is in, TNA does not have what it takes.

Let me remind all you TNA fans of a interview that was here on Wrestlezone around 2 years ago. Eric Bishoff, who I love and think is a very talented guy even said bringing in Sting, Kurt Angle and a third guy just isn't helping TNA challange WWE. Hulk Hogan, Jeff Hardy, Anderson, RVD. All guys WWE let go are not able to do what is needed to bring TNA into the same League as WWE. Sorry TNA will never get that good, don't get me wrong they do some awesome stuff but Dixie Carter needs to get her head out of her ass and move TNA into a different direction. Ok A World championship is important but focus on the X division. Something WWE doesn't have.

TNA does have alot going for them. RVD needs to drop the title, sorry a drug user does not need to be a company champion, Why do you think Jeff hardy dropped it to CM Punk? LOTS OF DRUGS! The Pope is a WWE former star too but you know something. TNA did him well. WWE screwed up there.

ECW is dead, TNA needs to stop beating dead horses.