So...Tommy Dreamer's promo...

[Jack-Hammer]

Yes thats very true. At the same time he needed money. He has a wife and two kids to support. A WWE check was good to him, and he was loyal in the end just like he was in ECW. The old time fans of ECW will know that Dreamer is very loyal to his company. He never once left ECW until WWE bought it out. And then he still stayed in WWE. What a lot of you are comparing is he a hypocrite or he just supporting is family.

No, if Dreamer were loyal then he wouldn't have basically crapped all over the WWE. During the promo, a fan in the audience screamed "Vince sucks" and Dreamer said "Exactly". He had no problem taking Vince McMahon's money, he had no problem with being provided financial security, but then flips him the metaphorical bird while failing to acknowledge the role that he himself played in the shredding of the ECW legacy.

I don't know if a lot of you will get this but the people who have families will. At the stage he was, he had to support and take care of his family first, passion later. Its how business works. If he was still single and didn't need money he would of jumped to TNA a long time ago or stay in indies. I wouldn't call him a hypocrite I call him a loyal person and in general a man who supports his family. Most of the people who are here I'm going to guess are in their teenage years or in the early to mid 20s. I'm not saying everybody, so don't go get rage out of it. I'm saying that sometimes you have to take a job a company you hate and despise just to get paid. While he's loyal to whom ever he works for, he still knows at the end of the day what is passion and what is life.

As for his emotions. Standard Dreamer in my opinion.

As I said, I don't blame Tommy Dreamer for thinking of his family and their future. Nobody with any common sense could. But, just turning around and dragging the guy through the mud after giving you a cushy job for nearly a decade where you made a lot of money and managed to provide security for your family is hypocrisy. The WWE made sure that Tommy Dreamer won't have to worry about money for the rest of his life but did he acknowledge that? No. Did he acknowledge that he willingly went along with what he felt was the destruction of ECW's legacy? No. Did he acknowledge that he willingly signed contract extention after extention in order to stay and keep making big money? No. Tommy Dreamer carefully omitted the fact that, simply put, he sold out.

The "I was trying to take care of my family" stance doesn't justify crapping all over Vince the first chance you get after you've already gotten what you wanted. Vince McMahon's critics seem to have no problem taking his money whenever the opportunity presents itself, but then turn around and piss all over him whenver that particular opportunity presents itself. While I do agree that Dreamer did the right thing by putting the needs of his family's future first, using them as a shield while ignoring his own responsibility in the ruin of the ECW legacy makes him look every bit the hypcocrite I called him.

 

[Stormlor]

No, if Dreamer were loyal then he wouldn't have basically crapped all over the WWE. During the promo, a fan in the audience screamed "Vince sucks" and Dreamer said "Exactly". He had no problem taking Vince McMahon's money, he had no problem with being provided financial security, but then flips him the metaphorical bird while failing to acknowledge the role that he himself played in the shredding of the ECW legacy.



As I said, I don't blame Tommy Dreamer for thinking of his family and their future. Nobody with any common sense could. But, just turning around and dragging the guy through the mud after giving you a cushy job for nearly a decade where you made a lot of money and managed to provide security for your family is hypocrisy. The WWE made sure that Tommy Dreamer won't have to worry about money for the rest of his life but did he acknowledge that? No. Did he acknowledge that he willingly went along with what he felt was the destruction of ECW's legacy? No. Did he acknowledge that he willingly signed contract extention after extention in order to stay and keep making big money? No. Tommy Dreamer carefully omitted the fact that, simply put, he sold out.

The "I was trying to take care of my family" stance doesn't justify crapping all over Vince the first chance you get after you've already gotten what you wanted. Vince McMahon's critics seem to have no problem taking his money whenever the opportunity presents itself, but then turn around and piss all over him whenver that particular opportunity presents itself. While I do agree that Dreamer did the right thing by putting the needs of his family's future first, using them as a shield while ignoring his own responsibility in the ruin of the ECW legacy makes him look every bit the hypcocrite I called him.

That is true but Scott Levy (Raven) is the same thing. The only difference is that Raven spent it on drugs, and Dreamer did it for his family. Even though Dreamer in a sense "stole" from Vince. He did it for his family. I support Dreamer in that.

As for the Vince statement, thats scripted. Hogan mentions it on a weekly basis when hes on. Everything but that statement was a shoot.

Yes he took Vince's money, but he did it for the right reasons. So why is Dreamer getting flamed for doing something, unlike Raven who took money for drugs, and spent it all. Raven is a nobody anymore, he's out of shape, and barley stand up. Just look how high he was on Impact.

 

[WWEIsLife2]

No, if Dreamer were loyal then he wouldn't have basically crapped all over the WWE. During the promo, a fan in the audience screamed "Vince sucks" and Dreamer said "Exactly". He had no problem taking Vince McMahon's money, he had no problem with being provided financial security, but then flips him the metaphorical bird while failing to acknowledge the role that he himself played in the shredding of the ECW legacy.



As I said, I don't blame Tommy Dreamer for thinking of his family and their future. Nobody with any common sense could. But, just turning around and dragging the guy through the mud after giving you a cushy job for nearly a decade where you made a lot of money and managed to provide security for your family is hypocrisy. The WWE made sure that Tommy Dreamer won't have to worry about money for the rest of his life but did he acknowledge that? No. Did he acknowledge that he willingly went along with what he felt was the destruction of ECW's legacy? No. Did he acknowledge that he willingly signed contract extention after extention in order to stay and keep making big money? No. Tommy Dreamer carefully omitted the fact that, simply put, he sold out.

The "I was trying to take care of my family" stance doesn't justify crapping all over Vince the first chance you get after you've already gotten what you wanted. Vince McMahon's critics seem to have no problem taking his money whenever the opportunity presents itself, but then turn around and piss all over him whenver that particular opportunity presents itself. While I do agree that Dreamer did the right thing by putting the needs of his family's future first, using them as a shield while ignoring his own responsibility in the ruin of the ECW legacy makes him look every bit the hypcocrite I called him.

Exactly I have liked Tommy Dreamer in ECW & WWE but his Promo just came off I dunno unapprectiave or however you spell that word. It just seems to me that whenever someone from WWE goes to TNA they always make them do a "shoot" Promo just to get them over with the Impact Zone Marks.

About the PPV itself this just seems like a desperate attempt and instead of TNA focusing on themselves they'd rather do a Reunion Show for a Company thats virtually been gone since 2001. The reason it worked in 2005 & 2006 is because the Fans wanted to see an ECW Reunion Show but I haven't heard too much clamoring for it in 2010.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

Ummm, last time I checked, the WWE pretty much buries every superstar who leaves them both as he's leaving and while he's gone. Why are the wrestlers not supposed to do the same thing? Seriously, I'm laughing at some of you rambling on about loyalty in the wrestling business, as if the wrestlers owe WWE loyalty when the WWE doesn't show it to them.

 

[shattered dreams]

It is not selling out when the only reason you are doing it is to make sure your family is provided for. It would have been selfish for Dreamer to quit for himself when it would have put his family in a suspect position. He also was fooled, like many before him, into thinking maybe it would get better, maybe he could make it better, maybe Vince would actually give him a chance to recapture the magic. Instead the WWE shit all over ECW and dropped it like a bad habit. Who gives a fuck if Vince owns those three letters? That does not mean he owns the heart and soul of ECW. At least not anymore. If you never gave a fuck about ECW then great, do not watch the PPV. However, if just because you did not like ECW, or do not know what it was, do not make the mistake of thinking it meant nothing to wrestling history because that is really ignorant. A one-off last hurrah for "ecw" is a good thing for TNA. They can try and grab some fans, put on a PPV that may well sell better than most they have and let ECW go out with the respect it deserved.

 

[Blueshirt]

Ummm, last time I checked, the WWE pretty much buries every superstar who leaves them both as he's leaving and while he's gone. Why are the wrestlers not supposed to do the same thing? Seriously, I'm laughing at some of you rambling on about loyalty in the wrestling business, as if the wrestlers owe WWE loyalty when the WWE doesn't show it to them.

That's not the point. First, when McMahon or the rest of the WWE trashes a wrestler for leaving the IWC jumps all over it. Lately, however, from my memory even when a wrestler leaves McMahon truly hasn't done much to go against them. At most, he will remove them from the intro video or the alumni page. He (or whoever makes the decisions in creative) has come a long way from the old man Hogan and Savage promos after they jumped ship to WCW.

Second, yes there is no loyalty in the wrestling business. That is exceedingly clear on both sides of the coin, both the performers and the promoters. This was fixed on the performers side through the 90 day no-compete clauses and hopefully will be fixed on the promoters side through some sort of a wrestling union in the very near future. But, I just can't feel any sympathy for Dreamer here for several reasons.

First, of course I applaud the man for taking care of his family, any real man puts his family first. But, any real man also realizes that he is doing what is best for his family and doesn't bad mouth the person (VKM) who is allowing him to do this. Seriously, what did McMahon do to Dreamer that was so bad? He didn't make him roll around in pig slop before he left (ala Vicky Guerrero) or perform a fake colonoscopy on him like poor JR. He left the WWE, McMahon put him on the alumni list and that was that.

Second, there is a reason that Dreamer was so loyal to ECW. No other promotion wanted him. Don't give me that loyalty garbage when it comes to Dreamer. If he was sought after he would have left. Even freaking Public Enemy left ECW for WCW. PUBLIC FREAKING ENEMY. And Dreamer couldn't get a deal. Dreamer is coming off as Al Bundy in Married With Children and all he can do is talk about his 4 touchdown performance at homecoming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PuYzPaTyec
(Sorry if I did that wrong, hilarious clip, watch it).
But seriously, even the most loyal ECW performers left ECW to go to greener pastures, do you really think Dreamer was that loyal or that stupid to turn an offer down? I have never once heard a story of him getting an offer to leave.

Finally, and I truly believe this, how many send-offs can ECW have? Seriously. It's been said a million times in this one topic, but I just can't take him seriously, being teary eyed saying "Give us one night"...not including the 2 PPVs we had and the show that was re-launched...and the hardcore homecomings. Come on.

As I previously said, I LOVED ECW. I used to stay up late to watch it on my shitty cable access channel when I was 11 years old and I have watched that ECW dvd and all of the matches on it countless times and I absolutely applaud the loyalty that us fans have for the brand. But, (ugh and I can't remember what movie this quote is from) it's like the Sopranos, it's over, time to find a new show (I think Knocked Up?). It's one thing to like something but it's dangerous to refuse to see flaws in something just because you love it so much. That's called Fundamentalism.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

That is true but Scott Levy (Raven) is the same thing. The only difference is that Raven spent it on drugs, and Dreamer did it for his family. Even though Dreamer in a sense "stole" from Vince. He did it for his family. I support Dreamer in that.

As for the Vince statement, thats scripted. Hogan mentions it on a weekly basis when hes on. Everything but that statement was a shoot.

Yes he took Vince's money, but he did it for the right reasons. So why is Dreamer getting flamed for doing something, unlike Raven who took money for drugs, and spent it all. Raven is a nobody anymore, he's out of shape, and barley stand up. Just look how high he was on Impact.

Scott Levy and Tommy Dreamer are two different cases. Vince McMahon helped make it possible for Tommy Dreamer to achieve financial security for his family. I don't criticize Dreamer for staying in the WWE in order to provide for his family, I criticize him because he's every bit a hypocrite and a sell out. If AJ Styles were to leave TNA Wrestling, go to the WWE for a much bigger paycheck to provide for his family and then turn around and shoot on Dixie Carter and TNA, then every TNA Cast Member and fan would be screaming that AJ Styles is a lousy sell out that turned his back on a company that helped get him started. But, as long as Tommy Dreamer disrespects Vince McMahon after helping to make him wealthy and a member of the WWE roster for nearly a decade, then it's alright. I mean, since it's Vince McMahon, that doesn't make Dreamer a sell out at all since he's pretty much the devil right?

Tommy Dreamer is a sell out, a hypocrite and an opportunist that showed his true colors last night. If he wants to drag Vince through the mud for basically shitting all over ECW's legacy then he needs to do the same thing to himself as he was more than willing to do it himself as long as he was getting fat from it. Some may be willing to overlook Dreamer's hypocrisy in this situation just because it's Vince he's trashing and because Dreamer is the "heart and soul" of ECW and all that shit, but I'm just telling it like it actually is. I'm not saying that Vince doesn't deserve some criticism for his handling of ECW, but Tommy Dreamer is the very last guy from ECW that should be the one criticizing.

 

[shattered dreams]

Scott Levy and Tommy Dreamer are two different cases. Vince McMahon helped make it possible for Tommy Dreamer to achieve financial security for his family. I don't criticize Dreamer for staying in the WWE in order to provide for his family, I criticize him because he's every bit a hypocrite and a sell out. If AJ Styles were to leave TNA Wrestling, go to the WWE for a much bigger paycheck to provide for his family and then turn around and shoot on Dixie Carter and TNA, then every TNA Cast Member and fan would be screaming that AJ Styles is a lousy sell out that turned his back on a company that helped get him started. But, as long as Tommy Dreamer disrespects Vince McMahon after helping to make him wealthy and a member of the WWE roster for nearly a decade, then it's alright. I mean, since it's Vince McMahon, that doesn't make Dreamer a sell out at all since he's pretty much the devil right?

Tommy Dreamer is a sell out, a hypocrite and an opportunist that showed his true colors last night. If he wants to drag Vince through the mud for basically shitting all over ECW's legacy then he needs to do the same thing to himself as he was more than willing to do it himself as long as he was getting fat from it. Some may be willing to overlook Dreamer's hypocrisy in this situation just because it's Vince he's trashing and because Dreamer is the "heart and soul" of ECW and all that shit, but I'm just telling it like it actually is. I'm not saying that Vince doesn't deserve some criticism for his handling of ECW, but Tommy Dreamer is the very last guy from ECW that should be the one criticizing.

For starters I do not think Dreamer presented himself as a martyr who did nothing wrong. He admitted he was scared to leave his situation in the wwe. That is him admitting he knew better. However, the AJ comparison is not valid. Aj would have the choice between making a good living in TNA or possibly a great living in WWE. Dreamer had a choice between a wwe paycheck and working the indies. That is a huge difference. He manned up and did what he had to for his family even though he probably hated it towards the end. To disrespect him for that is a joke. People have to do that everyday in the real world and I bet most of them would punch you in the face if you tried to call them a sellout for it. What power did Dreamer have in WWECW? Him quitting would have changed nothing except adding another unemployeed ecw guy to the world. To say not engaging in such a selfish and pointless exercise is equally as bad as what vince etc did to ecw is a fucking joke.

 

[The Scarred One]

One Night Stand 2005 was the ultimate closure for ECW. It was the perfect way to say thank you and farewell, allowing ECW to rest in peace. But then a year later, word got around that Vince McMahon was going to be Dr. Frankenstein and bring ECW back from the dead. I'm sure Tommy Dreamer and other ECW guys had doubts about how this was going to work. When asked about their involvement, they could've easily told McMahon "thanks but no thanks."

So if there was even a shred of doubt, why did Dreamer stick around for so long? Don't give me the family excuse because, apparently, wrestlers can make a good enough living working for TNA or Ring of Honor. Case in point: AJ Styles has a family to take care of and he's never once considered going to WWE for a bigger payday. So he's obviously getting along just fine.

But what stopped Dreamer from leaving WWE when he saw what was happening? It's not like he had a gun pointed at his head forcing him to stay. He could've gotten out when Paul Heyman left after December to Dismember or when Rob Van Dam left six months later. He could've joined some of his ECW buddies in TNA years ago or he could've joined Gabe Sapolsky in an office capacity in ROH, which has that ECW appeal to it.

But now that Vince McMahon finally put the ECW monster out of its misery, Dixie Carter is now playing the Dr. Frankenstein role in resurrecting this creature. Dreamer said he wants one night to celebrate the legacy of ECW. What? Weren't two One Night Stand pay-per-views and Hardcore Homecoming not enough?

Even if TNA does put out a successful pay-per-view with the ECW theme, it will be just like LeBron James if he wins an NBA Championship with the Miami Heat. If he does win one, people will just say how he couldn't win a championhip by himself and needed the extra help. Same thing here, people will say that TNA couldn't produce a successful pay-per-view on their own.

In closing I will say this: ECW is dead. Let it rest in peace. A lot of the guys that wrestled for ECW back in the day are old and out-of-shape. It's alright to look back on it now and then with fond memories, but don't try to live in the past. It was a magical time when this small promotion in Philly took the wrestling world by storm and revolutionized it. But those days are gone forever. Nothing can be done to recreate or recapture them.

So Tommy Dreamer, please, just it let it go.

 

[darkman_96]

Few things first...
So, first RVD embarrasses himself with his promo where he stutters the entire way through and blatantly forgets what he is saying at least three times.

I dont think he embarresed himself someone like that cant get embarresed. he was just having some fun flirting with christy and all give him a break. (i dont like him much but dont be fussy)

Second, i guarantee that 99% of the people who chant ECW never saw an ECW show when it was actually airing. I myself had to find it on basic cable at 10pm on random nights growing up. And truly, what I remember the most about ECW programming was its awful production values (no, it wasn't the "charm" of ECW) and how 1/2 of the show was spent on ECW infomercials. Sure, the matches were phenomenal when they actually aired, but I think more time was spent trying to get people to call the phone line then actually watch the show.

Hmmm yea it was a bit like that but it was mostly bout the PPVs. they were fucking amazing and the matches were two. Idk the tna crowd are mostly adults i think they did watch it. Have u notcied this one guy is there every week.

Finally, Mic Foley is as ECW as Steve Austin. I may be wrong, but truly I never think of ECW when I think of Mic Foley. Sure, he was there, but putting him with the other ECW originals is truly a head scratcher.

Yea hes not really a ECW orignial to me but hes a hardcore legend and i put him a step up from everyone else.

Now, onto the promo by Dreamer. First, Dreamer compares TNA to ECW...because of the beautiful people and Flair mentoring Lethal...because women in wrestling and mentoring only occur in TNA and ECW. If you are going to compare the two, don't do it like that, it just makes it seem forced.

No comment.

Next, he makes the absolutely ridiculous comment that he had to watch his friends who "partied like rockstars" get fired from the WWE...this actually infuriated me. WWE gave these men JOBS when they had none. Yes, the WWE is an evil corporate giant, but what was Sabu, Ballz Mahoney, Sandman doing before WWE gave them a second chance? NOTHING. Independents making scratch for a living. Also, Dreamer, ATM i don't see ANY of these men standing in the ring with you. Maybe they will be added in later, but right now they still have no job. Also, had these men had any true talent (Ballz had zero talent and all Sabu could do was spot work, and Sandman knew less moves then Cena) or could draw, they would still be in the WWE.

Yea but how do u no wat they did in their personal time. they might have partied like rockstars. all we know is their fictional scripted character who switches between heel and face plus wwe can fuck off. Thinking their big shots cause they can please kids who havent even reached pubity.

Next, Dreamer makes the ridiculous comment that he was forced to watch this and at the age of 38 left the WWE. If he was so unhappy in his role in the WWE, he didn't need to sign contract extension after contract extension. Also, the WWE sent him off as champ. They didn't need to let an out of shape 38 year old be champion, that truly was a classy move by the WWE.

Give him a break jesus christ who side are you on tna or wwe. god u bunch of *****es complain and complain for gods sake just leave it u dont no the truth so dont state a comment like that without knowing what u r talking about.

Next, he makes the ridiculous assertion that the WWE ruined the ECW legacy. YES the new ECW truly sucked, no doubt about it. But if anything the WWE kept alive the ECW brand through the original one night stand PPVs and the ECW DVDs. Without these, the 99% of people who never saw a live broadcast of ECW would never be able to chant ECW. Additionally, I can't stress this enough, WWE gave these men jobs when no one else was hiring them and this is commendable.

WWE did ruin it. How the hell do u no they never saw a broadcast of ecw u dont know them jesus christ.

Also, it was laughable when Dreamer kept saying give us "ONE NIGHT." Yes, One Night Stand. I get it.

Yea so are they only staying for one night then pissing off or... whats the get go they werent quite clear?

Sorry, his promo just really made me angry. I loved ECW as a kid and I truly enjoyed TNA before the Hogan era, but now the programming just makes me mad and sad that the quality has just gone downhill.

The show was alrite, alot of fights.

Does anyone else agree with me? Did Dreamer just come off looking silly or am I the one who is looking bad here?

Sorry but i dont like people who complain when they dont no the whole truth.
The green writing are my comments. sorry new to this site.

 

[Blueshirt]

You KNOW what I don't like? When people say that THEY'RE 18 on THEIR profile and don't know the difference between THEY'RE and THEIR. Man, has the school system failed us this badly? Second, come on. even if you don't know how to spell, get Google chrome, it has a built in spell check. I know IT'S stupid, but if you can't spell correctly, it makes your written argument looks 10 times worse even if you are making a good point. Now onto YOUR argument.

"I dont think he embarresed himself someone like that cant get embarresed. he was just having some fun flirting with christy and all give him a break. (i dont like him much but dont be fussy)"

I'm sorry, but i don't think it's being fussy to expect your world champion to not sound like a burnout. The man couldn't put two sentences together. Also, if he is this high during promos, I hope that he isn't this high when he wrestles. It's a great idea to get stoned and then perform an activity that could snap a person's neck.

"Idk the tna crowd are mostly adults i think they did watch it. Have u notcied this one guy is there every week."

Oh yeah! That totally changes my mind! That one guy who sits next to that other guy who has the hair and wears that shirt!

"Yea hes not really a ECW orignial to me"

Thanks for proving my point.

"Yea but how do u no wat they did in their personal time. they might have partied like rockstars. all we know is their fictional scripted character who switches between heel and face plus wwe can fuck off. Thinking their big shots cause they can please kids who havent even reached pubity."

Okay...I seriously have NO idea what you are saying here.

"Give him a break jesus christ who side are you on tna or wwe. god u bunch of *****es complain and complain for gods sake just leave it u dont no the truth so dont state a comment like that without knowing what u r talking about."

I'm on the side of logic. It's awesome over here, maybe you should join me? I know which side you are on. Obviously TNA so much to the fact that you refuse to see any other side of the argument. It IS true that he signed contract extensions and it IS true that he left as a champion. I don't see where any part of that statement wasn't true. If you want to prove me wrong prove facts.

"WWE did ruin it. How the hell do u no they never saw a broadcast of ecw u dont know them jesus christ."

I agree the WWE did ruin ECW, but I also believe that they helped keep the brand alive for kids (like you) alive. You can't argue that they didn't allow people who never saw ECW to experience it through the ECW dvd and the ONS ppvs. And you know how I know most people never watched ECW? It was on BASIC CABLE on late nights. Also, look at the PPV buyrates and the horrific ratings that ECW was scoring on TNN. Yes, ECW had a cult following, but it was just that a cult following that didn't extend to the mainstream.

"Yea so are they only staying for one night then pissing off or... whats the get go they werent quite clear?"

Again, I have NO idea what the second half of your sentence means.

I think my nose is bleeding from attempting to figure out half the crap you were saying.

 

[darkman_96]

Who the fuck do you think you are. You say your a main of facts saying back up your statements with facts. Your calling me a kid hey mate were is your facts? haha stupid cunt think your all top shit you just complain about everything TNA does. fuck all they can do is try the hardest they can to make people happy and people like you just put them down.

Why should i see any other side of the argument its a peice of crap. Sounds like your a kid to me if you dont understand the phase whats the get go. What do they mean for you my child. so just shut up if you dont know the answer or answer the fucking question.

Shut the fuck up and watch the show. And plus who gives a shit about the spelling so you downlaod your gay spell check and fuck off.

 

[squirt123]

Sorry Speigs but I actually agree with Darkman_96. The was well planned out and I was very excited when the ECW wrestler of the past came out. So is the PPV Hard Justice the one were the ECW people get to control. Plus Speigs if your a real TNA fan you wouldnt care about the other sides argument.

Well said Darkman.

 

[darkman_96]

Thank you squirt for understanding my point of view. It just really annoys me how everyone complains about TNA and how they PPV rates are so low. Then they call themselve TNA fans. A few pages back someone was whining about Dreamer getting emotional. Put yourself in his position, he was so emotionally wrecked he had to quit his job. He was speaking truth.

Dont think you users understand his personal life. Not all thats said is scripted he most likely wrote that himself. Good on you
Mick, Dreamer, Richards Rhino and raven give us a kick ass PPV and prove every hipacrit on this forums wrong.

(i didnt imply that every user on this forums is a hipacrit just the user who say they are loyal fans then bad mouth the company. Loyals i dont think so.)

 

[psykohurricane]

The problem with this promo is that scripted or not scripted, i was really boring and felt like something Dreamer already many times before. Plus it didn't help this angle at all because it was so boring that i'm sure that most people seeing it decided to turn off their tv or changing the channel.

While if what dreamer said was true and somehow, i'm not sold on everything he said, them i understand what he went thought it most have been hard leaving WWE and not knowing how you will provide for your family, he did this type of promo so many times before that i'm tired of it and i find it boring. Dreamer is a good performer and a great creative mind but enough is enough. Dreamer sharing everything with his fans is getting boring and i'm not believing any off it.

Personally, the set up for Dreamer promos sucked, the dreamer promo, real or not, was boring and in the end it didn'T help the promotion of the PPV's.

 

[aphazel1]

I LOVED Tommy Dreamer's promo on Impact! It was emotional and came off as authentic and from the heart. As an ECW fan, I got to watch Vince McMahon rape ECW's legacy and force its "originals" to job to every piece of shit mid-carder he could pull out of his ass. If they weren't sufficiently buried by losing on almost every television broadcast, he forced them to play out some ridiculous or humiliating role....Vince may have gave them a job, but it was to serve his own ends. He got to bury ECW and make his product look superior....

Some of you sound like spoiled, privledged brats that have never had to work a day in your life. Those of us that have had to work a job that we hate to make ends meet or just for the experience to get where you want to go in life understand what Tommy was saying in the Impact Zone. I guess TNA really is more for the ADULT wrestling fan. He has every right to be pissed about how he was treated in WWE, it isn't like there's a huge number of other options in the U.S. for a steady pay-check in the wrestling industry.

I can't wait for HardCORE Justice!

 

[Weems2k]

I just hope nobody is expecting too much from this PPV. I can't see any of these old fossils getting slammed through flaming tables, barbed wire, and everything else ECW was famous for. Even guys like Sabu, Sandman, or Balls Mahoney can't go like they did 10 years ago. This better not be the change that Dixie said will transform TNA forever; if there ever was a change. I'll prolly get the PPV just for the nostalgia effect, but if they are still continuing the ECW angle after that, TNA is gong to go downhill really fast.

 

[darkman_96]

I LOVED Tommy Dreamer's promo on Impact! It was emotional and came off as authentic and from the heart. As an ECW fan, I got to watch Vince McMahon rape ECW's legacy and force its "originals" to job to every piece of shit mid-carder he could pull out of his ass. If they weren't sufficiently buried by losing on almost every television broadcast, he forced them to play out some ridiculous or humiliating role....Vince may have gave them a job, but it was to serve his own ends. He got to bury ECW and make his product look superior....

Some of you sound like spoiled, privledged brats that have never had to work a day in your life. Those of us that have had to work a job that we hate to make ends meet or just for the experience to get where you want to go in life understand what Tommy was saying in the Impact Zone. I guess TNA really is more for the ADULT wrestling fan. He has every right to be pissed about how he was treated in WWE, it isn't like there's a huge number of other options in the U.S. for a steady pay-check in the wrestling industry.

I can't wait for HardCORE Justice!

Aphazel you are a legend. Agree with everything. The what they call a promo was great and its good to see people get emotinally happy. That was all from the heart and i dont think they would have scripted that. I cant wait for HARD JUSTICE it is going to be the best ever.

Already bought tickets. Im from Australia and im going to Hard Justice with my mate. Its going to be mad. You deserve to go aswell.

P.S. are you going?

 

[Vintage]

Say what you what, but Dreamer is like Mick Foley on the mic. He says what he believes in and feels at the moment, a straight shooter if you will. He was nice about it but he knows Vince killed the product. Dreamer wants a chance to redeem it, at least thats what I thought he was trying to say. The last ECW EVER show should not have had 2 WWE superstars in the ring. Especially not Christian and Ezekial Jackson. Although silly, i'm happy Dreamer will change that image at the cost of major lawsuits and copyright infringements on WWE's tradmarks. I think it's dumb to have the president of TNA encouraging ECW chants but thats another thread waiting to be made.

This will not end up being an invasion angle because that is too obvious but a discrimination angle. What I think is going to happen is that after this 1 off PPV where the ECW original matches will be getting top billing I expect them to either start a hardcore division, or a Stable of ECW talent going forward. TNA will be back for another beatdown at the ppv, getting this anti-invasion started.

 

[RT81]

I just wish they would just let ECW die already.It was great back in the day but all the wrestlers there are past their primes.

 

[MisterRob]

I LOVED Tommy Dreamer's promo on Impact! It was emotional and came off as authentic and from the heart. As an ECW fan, I got to watch Vince McMahon rape ECW's legacy and force its "originals" to job to every piece of shit mid-carder he could pull out of his ass. If they weren't sufficiently buried by losing on almost every television broadcast, he forced them to play out some ridiculous or humiliating role....Vince may have gave them a job, but it was to serve his own ends. He got to bury ECW and make his product look superior....

This would make sense if you didn't complain about the ECW originals jobbing to mid-card wrestlers when every ECW original that was used for this in the WWE was nothing more then a mid-card talent! Sorry to break the news to you.

Some of you sound like spoiled, privledged brats that have never had to work a day in your life. Those of us that have had to work a job that we hate to make ends meet or just for the experience to get where you want to go in life understand what Tommy was saying in the Impact Zone. I guess TNA really is more for the ADULT wrestling fan. He has every right to be pissed about how he was treated in WWE, it isn't like there's a huge number of other options in the U.S. for a steady pay-check in the wrestling industry.

Your argument fails when you realize that he could've chosen to work somewhere else for all these years, like TNA or Ring of Honor, because they are alternative companies in the U.S. He chose to stay in the WWE, and he chose to accept a reign as ECW champion wearing the title and being the champion of everything he was whining and bitching about in the ring in Impact. If that's not unbelievably hypocritical and ridiculous I don't know what is!

The WWE didn't force him to stay or to do any of those things, he chose to for all these years. He might cut promos like Foley that are from the heart, yadda yadda, but the difference is: Foley cuts a great promo, Dreamer cuts a bad one. That promo was boring and dragged on far too long and it did nothing but promote a brand that WWE OWNS on TNA television. If TNA fans can't see the hilarity of that I have to wonder how adult minded you really are.

I can't wait for HardCORE Justice!

Great! But just as many old school, original fans of ECW aren't and won't be paying or watching this poking of a dead corpse. That's not a good sign for the audience TNA is trying to reach.

I'm also waiting for Vince McMahon to bury TNA with lawsuits for using and promoting a brand he owns. That would be the greatest twist of irony in the world. It really would.