So...Tommy Dreamer's promo...

[wushady]

I agree Dreamers speech was horrible I'm so sick of seeing him cry during a promo innovator of violence my ass. He and everyone else needs to just let ECW go. Yes WWE destroyed the real ECW's legacy with their version. I just don't get how this is going to help rebuild ECW's legacy.

Most of the ECW originals are in really bad shape, and are most likely going to put on horrible matches. I don't get the point of doing this they can't even use the ECW name. If their not careful their going to get sued.

TNA should be focusing on rebuilding their product. Not doing a one night reunion to a company that their competition owns the rights to. Dixie is nothing but a mark this proves it. She's willing to put on a pay per view for ECW. Just to kiss Heyman's ass and try to bring him in.

 

[Bobloblaw]

I don't normally watch TNA, but I tuned in tonight since I am a fan of ECW back when I could watch tapes and the show on TNN. I do love the irony of them running an "ECW salute" on the same network that actually started (If you go with Paul's view) ECW death march to bankruptcy.

It was great to see Tommy cut a promo that reminded me of the speech he gave after winning the ECW title from Taz. The only problem was that I totally disagree that TNA is anything like ECW. That's just my view because of my qualms with the way TNA runs their TV production. The ending though was anti-climatic but I guess was good enough to serve it's purpose for setting up that the ECW guys will be running the PPV.

 

[Mr-excitement]

first off they can't call it ECW and second the guys who want to be remembered the right way are going to get extreme in their 40s and 50s?? Third, TNA has gotten so bad they have to resort to promoting dead promotions???

sad enough they had Hall and Nash calling themselves the band doing the same crap they have been doing since the mid-nineties. Yes Vince shit on ECW, but didn't Eric Bischoff talk about wrestling in a bingo hall several times on Nitro. He also cut it down.

Maybe someone should tell Tommy Dreamer its time to move on.

 

[Zeven_Zion]

TNA really needs to stop tring to move in the direction WWE is in, TNA does not have what it takes.

What direction? TNA's doing the EXACT opposite of what WWE's doing. Is TNA trying to be PG? I don't think so, duckling. I highly doubt it. A bunch of ECW guys in TNA makes the company WWE-ish, just as much as you standing in a garage makes you a car.

Let me remind all you TNA fans of a interview that was here on Wrestlezone around 2 years ago. Eric Bishoff, who I love and think is a very talented guy even said bringing in Sting, Kurt Angle and a third guy just isn't helping TNA challange WWE. Hulk Hogan, Jeff Hardy, Anderson, RVD. All guys WWE let go are not able to do what is needed to bring TNA into the same League as WWE. Sorry TNA will never get that good, don't get me wrong they do some awesome stuff but Dixie Carter needs to get her head out of her ass and move TNA into a different direction. Ok A World championship is important but focus on the X division. Something WWE doesn't have.

It is already good. If not better. I think you should've said "TNA will never get that rich". Now that's true.

WWE's floating on its millions and billions right now, allowing it to have perfect production, fancy sets, big arenas, nice pyro and bind wrestlers in it because of a pay check, not because they want to work for Vince McMahon. That fools the simple minded. Fancy TV equals good product for some people. Me? I like the shitty production and crappy arena TNA has. It feels like wrestling. Vince's money are WWE's bypass. The face of their company is a talentless work horse. He can work, but...really? This is the best guy in the world? Seriously? The way I see it, they've got one Orton, one Punk, one Jericho and Nexus. Punk should be at the top of the company, yet he's lurking in the mid-card shadows of SD. Jericho is on his way out, Nexus is going to fizzle out sooner or later, it's already getting stupid. All I gotta say - poor Orton. He has to carry a lot of baggage. God bless his soul.

Fact is, I feel that TNA will do with these guys more than WWE could WHILE owning everything that had ECW on it. Sure, Dreamer was a Champion, big whoop. Do you think that this makes up for all the years of miserable half-existence on WWE's roster? What did Dreamer do ASIDE from winning that crap of a belt that only ruined his legacy even more? "Big plans"? That's total bull. You can see that this guy has a good mind for wrestling and, as you might know, he's going in the creative team, and one of his goals is to reinvent the X Division and have a more "international" feel about it. I like that.

 

[Gifted Music]

It has come to my Conclusion that TNA Hard Justice is basically a throwaway ppv while they're gearing up for Bound for Glory in October...Let me get this straight...On a Roster with guys like Samoa Joe, Mr.Anderson, Abyss, Jeff Hardy, the Pope, and the greatest Wrestler in professional Wrestling, Kurt Angle, that YOUR Pay Per View is being headlined by a feud that happened over Ten years ago? Jerry Lynn hasn't been an active full time Competitor in years and Rob Van Dam just RECENTLY came out of retirement in March...So THESE two are headlining over RVD/Abyss? Or RVD/AJ? Or hell even RVD/Hardy?Slammiversary(headlined by RVD vs Sting) and Sacrifice(headlined by RVD vs Hardy vs Anderson vs Abyss) both drew LESS than 10,000 buys..So you're telling me you're banking on JERRY LYNN to outdraw Sting, Jeff Hardy, Mr.Anderson, and Abyss? PAUL HEYMAN himself can referee the match and put Joey Styles and Joel Gertner on Commentary and they couldn't sell that as a PPV Main Event in 2010.

Don't get me wrong...I loved ECW..I loved One Night Stand..I love Tommy Dreamer... But seeing this is the equivelant of seeing Ric Flair come outta retirement to wrestle in TNA....It's Four guys(not counting Foley as he WAS TNA Champion) who havn't been relevant in years trying to strike one last match for one last fire...Where's Lance Storm?Retired..Dawn Marie?Stealing money from charities..Justin Credible?Working at the freakin Olive Garden..Joey Styles, the VOICE of ECW?With WWE...Paul Heyman? Refuses to sign with TNA and even TOLD Dixie to her face the ECW angle was a bad idea...So if the MAN behind ECW tells you it's a bad idea, why would you do it anyway?The GENIUS who created all those ECW Legends said DONT DO IT..And you do it anyway...But yet you expect Heyman to sign with TNA.. What a load of crap.

ECW was great... But I stopped referring to it as ECW after One Night Stand 2005...To me, THAT was my closure...I saw Storm vs Jericho, Benoit vs Guerrero, I saw The Dudleyz vs Sandman and Dreamer..I saw Rey Mysterio, Tajiri, the FBI, Psycosis, Mike Awesome, Joey Styles, Paul Heyman, RVD, etc.. Most of those guys will NOT be there for this...One Night Stand 2005 was closure for me..And when Rob Van Dam won the WWE Title at ONS 2006, that capped off ECW for me..The one guy who never got the ball to run with in ECW was finally at the top of the mountain..To me, that's when ECW died..For some, it died in 2001...So why bring it back now? The ECW chants are nowhere NEAR as big as they were in 05 in the months leading up to One Night Stand.

Vince McMahon brought back ECW at One Night Stand because THE FANS demanded it..After the Rise and Fall of ECW, the fans brought back ECW...TNA's fans are not asking for ECW...All their asking for is an Entertaining Product! And i'm sorry.. But during Raven's last run in TNA, his ring work was abyssmal..He looks like garbage...He doesn't even look like he wants to be there and he's only doing it as a favor to Tommy...Foley's promos were intense in ECW but noone gave a damn about him until he got to the WWE....The only one who LOOKED like he belonged there was Rhino and my bet is he won't even have a big part in the show...The Main Event SHOULD be Rhino(ECW's last REAL World Champion) and Rob Van Dam for the TNA World Title...Atleast Rhino looks like he could pull off a decent Main event with Van Dam..Noone has even SEEN Jerry Lynn in about 3 years!Only in TNA can you go from main eventing the independants one week and main eventing a ppv against the World Champion the next...Eventhough it was kayfabe, Brother Ray said EXACTLY what needed to be said on Impact.."What have we got left to prove? Nothing"...That's exactly my point.

THIS is why TNA failed on Monday Nights...THIS is why TNA still is nowhere close to competing with WWE...Summerslam is headlined by Randy Orton, the most popular Wrestler IN Wrestling right now(WWE or TNA) versus WWE Champion Sheamus....And TNA counters that by turning back the clock Ten years for TNA Champion Rob Van Dam versus Jerry Lynn....I feel like i'm watching The Wrestler on DVD..

Goodluck TNA..I hope it was worth throwing away another pay per view...Let me know when you're SERIOUS about competing to be the #1 Wrestling promotion in the world.

 

[killerd105]

Every time I hear about this there's always on question that comes to my mind. And that is, can TNA do really this? I don't mean if they can be successful or anything like that. I just want to know how can this be possible when WWE still owns ECW ??

Well anyways on to the thread. I just think that Dixie Cater is the DUMBEST wrestling owner in the world. Why bring back an already dead company that was insignificant compared to WCW and WWE. It was the lowest of them all. Tommy Dreamer promo just confirmed something that was arguable up until now.... TNA is desperate. It's become like the titanic, great company filled with potential but got hit and is sinking fast. Getting people past their prime for coverage, trying to bring dead companys like WCW and ECW. Wanna know what the ice berg is in all of this.... trying to compete with WWE. They're trying to hard to compete and not noticing all the potential they have. All Tommy Dreamer did was show everyone who's watching that they're the wannabes and show that they are doing nothing but trying to be the competition

 

[MB1025]

I read an article from another site and a guy had a pretty big column on this whole thing. There was a part in there that surprised me and wonders if TNA would benefit more by having this PPV outside of Orlando. He said that he had gotten hundreds of emails just within a 20 minute span ( probably the time everyone found out about the ECW only show ) about how to get tickets to this show. Now he went on to say that a lot of these people don't watch TNA ( mentioned in their emails ), but they wanted to see the ECW guys. So I mean if 1 person from 1 site had gotten all those emails in a short span then I think this could have some hype to it. Now I know hundreds of emails isn't a big deal, but that could also mean there are a lot more people like them out there.

 

[Honkey_Kong]

I saw Dreamer's promo and well, I'm happy they're going to go for one last show.

I understand most of the TNA and WWE audiences don't remember the real ECW. It was a long time ago now. But seeing all those ECWers out there really made me remember getting up at 3am Thursday mornings to watch the syndicated show on some UHF channel.... The TV production was pure shit, the ECW arena was just a bingo hall, but the action and storylines had me hooked.

That being said, can the ECWers give us one last show to remember them by? To forget the WWECW? I to tell you the truth have no idea. ECW ended 10 years ago, those wrestlers are now way past the twilight of their careers. I hope they can call out the stops for one night.

And for those who talk bad about the Lynn/RVD match, Name one match these guys had against each other that wasn't fun to watch? And isn't that the name of the game, giving us an entertaining card to watch? Call me crazy, but that match is a lot more likely to get me the old time fan to buy the PPV than say Cena/Sheamus.

 

[Remy LaCroix]

I can see why people are shitting all over his promo. What most don't realize is how much ECW meant to them and the fans. And for the people who think it was stupid how he called-out WWECW even though he worked there and was given a title run: haven't you had a boss you hated for some reason but kept your mouth shut for the paycheck? Dreamer might not hate McMahon with a passion, just for what WWE or McMahon or whoever tarnished ECW's name and what it stood for. He even said it himself!: financial stability.

Besides, I don't recall him ever saying it was a PPV of solely ECW originals. A few of them might be in a bloody match or two, but I'm sure some TNA talent will be on the card as well.

 

[realdealasshole]

Personally it makes me sick to my stomach that anyone could not like that promo. If you grew up watching wrestling and weren't biased toward not giving not-so-high profile companies a shot, you'd know that ECW was absolutely incredible. Those men put their bodies on the line in ways that no other wrestling company has before or ever will in the future. Perhaps hardcore wrestling isn't your style, regardless, they put their bodies on the line just to make a few fans happy. And that's exactly why they want that one last night. They want it to give the old ECW fans one more night. Are half those guys bodies broken down? Yes. Does it matter? No. Because they're all crazy as shit.

To narrow down what I'm trying to get at here, to anyone who hates this idea, order the PPV. I dare you to say afterwards that you still think it was a bad idea cuz broken down bodies or not, those guys are gonna put on a show like you've never seen. They're hungry for it.

 

[Blush]

I liked Tommy's shoot and it actually brought a tear to my eye. The nostalgia factor is big, even tho the guys are pretty beat up. I did see Jerry Lynn on ROH a couple of weeks ago, and he can still wrestle. Slower than he used to, but he can still go from what I saw. Definitely more so than Nash, Hulk and co.

The past week I've been re-watching The Rise & Fall of ECW and the '05 One Night Stand. The PPV is the best one I've seen out of WWE in ages. While watching the Rise & Fall DVD, I had some of my own revelations between the original ECW and TNA, and I felt Tommy hit the nail on the head with most of what he said.

It's a PPV I'll buy, considering if they get to do what they want. It can't be any worse than any of TNA's other PPV's that I've been disappointed by. (Rhino + James Storm + Elevation-X match = Fail, plus last months PPV made me regret getting it instead of UFC)

 

[XgringolocoX]

What SuneeBoy said. TNA needs to step up their TV game. I was at a recent house show and it was SOOOO much better than TV. It was also much better than the WWE house show I went to last year.
RVD doesn't excite me as champ. He's better chasing. I a bit tired of the ECW thing. It was done to death in WWE and while I thought both ONS shows were amazing, it's time to let ECW rest. Tommy is living up to being a one trick pony. He's the ECW martyr. All he ever whines about it how great ECW was. Cause it made so much money right Tommy?
Also, since wen is Punk lurking in the shadows of the mid card on SD? He get major promo/ring time every fucking show.
Just because he's not challenging for the World Title at the moment doesn't mean he's just in mid card hell. SD has a fresh main event scene. Everyone complains about a stale main event and now you have it and you complain still. Punk's stuff is great week in and week out. Enjoy it.
Sorry for getting a tad off topic.

 

[therockiswwf]

Hi everybody, I'm Tommy Dreamer. I hate WWE because they employed me for nine years
That shoot (well I'm pretty sure it was a shoot) Dreamer cut was just bad.
1. He said he watched his friends get fired for nothing
Sabu- Fired for showing up late and not having his gear
Sandman- He needed to be fired
RVD- Something about his family
2. If he was so sick of the wwe why did he keep signing contract after contract and they sent him out on a high note as a ecw champion which is something they didnt have to do
3. If they named it anything else than ecw it wouldnt get this much crap I think they just used the name to try to get ratings
I think that he was ungrateful.

 

[Gifted Music]

The point is this..ECW HAD their go away PPV..One Night Stand 2005..Then Shane Douglas had Hardcore Homecoming for the ECW guys that declined WWE's offer...That should have been IT..I understand the nostalgia factor..The wanting to go out in a Blaze of glory..But look at the guys opposite Tommy Dreamer in that promo...Minus Foley, those were the three most emotionless guys i've ever seen..At the end, Dreamer hugs Dixie, the crowd is excited...Stevie's clapping, Rhino and Foley are smiling, and Raven looks like he couldn't give a shit.

That to me, sums it up...Don't even talk about that being his character because Rhino's character doesn't call for smiling and clapping either and he was right there with Tommy...Having an All ECW Impact...All for it..Having an ECW Special(although without the ECW name) on Spike TV is a GREAT idea..But using one of your Twelve Annual PPVs and throwing it away just to please a few thousand Hardcore ECW fans? Especially when your two previous PPVs drew less than half your audience? What NEW fans are they expecting to draw from this? Sure, I'm positive that TNA stars will appear on the card...But if you were Kurt Angle, or AJ Styles, or Samoa Joe, how would you feel knowing you were on the UNDERCARD of a PPV headlined by Rob Van Dam vs Jerry Lynn? Two guys who, a year ago around this time, were RETIRED!? This will be the equivelant of WWECW's December to Dismember as far as how it'll look.

Why not Rhino vs RVD? Or Foley vs RVD? Atleast They are CONTRACTED TNA SUPERSTARS! What happened to Abyss' Title shot? Did Abyss even APPEAR on Impact? No...So much for that push...RVD's time as TNA Champion needs to end quickly...He solidified himself last night as the WORST TNA Champion of all time(I said TNA, not counting the NWA Champions)..That promo was by far the worst promo I had seen in years..I don't care if it's Abyss, Hardy, or Anderson, but SOMEONE needs to relieve RVD of that Championship.

When Paul Heyman and RVD gave their speeches at One Night Stand in 2005, you could FEEL the emotion..The shoot on JBL("the only reason you were World Champion for a year is because Triple H didn't wanna work tuesdays")...Or Edge("Matt frickin Hardy!!")...You could FEEL the emotion..All I felt watching Tommy Dreamer's promo was sadness...It looked forced and it was one of the most painful things I have ever watched.

I hope it works because If it doesn't, it'll just put TNA further and further in the hole towards going outta business.

 

[freekzilla]

I have watched every wrestling show on tv for the last twenty plus years. Here's my point not every show is spectacler not every show is a wtf just happened,but to all u dumb ass, self conceded full of your self tna bashing morons, you don't like what Dixie and the crew are doing make millions buy your own company. Ecw should get the send off it deserves. These men put there bodies through hell for you. Ok so some ecw stars are forty and move slower so what at least they try more than five moves aka cena and half the wwe. Don't bitch and complain about something you know nothing and I mean nothing about aka booking writing ect. Go back to your five moves a match tv and shut thee hell up.... tna will beat the e one day or at the least die trying unlike u good little sheep spam or not it had to be said.........

 

[Remy LaCroix]

1. He said he watched his friends get fired for nothing
2. If he was so sick of the wwe why did he keep signing contract after contract and they sent him out on a high note as a ecw champion which is something they didnt have to do
3. If they named it anything else than ecw it wouldnt get this much crap I think they just used the name to try to get ratings
I think that he was ungrateful.

Fuck's sake...

1. Don't recall him sayin' "for nothing". The WWE wouldn't have had anything for 'em to do after serving their purpose.

2. Financial stability. He said it himself, he has two girls and a wife to think about. They gave it to him probably as a thank-you cuz I do believe he was on his way out if he didn't win it by a set time.

3. Of course they did. It later became a development show (I remember hearing Tiffany saying it on television as GM) with the ECW name.

Ungrateful for what?

 

[rko57]

All this is is a way for TNA to try and turn things around since they aren't doing too great. Will it work? Probably not since WWE had ONS in 2005 and 2006 as the true ECW final shows where the wrestlers from ECW were actually able to move around and it was a lot of them, not just 7 or 8 like this show.

I find it funny when people are saying TNA is amazing and are getting pissed at people for bashing TNA when TNA seems to be losing fans left and right. Don't believe me? Look at the PPV buys. They were drawing 25,000 a PPV in 2006-2007. Now they at 8,000... Hmmmmmmm, all you people getting pissed for people not liking TNA need to start talking a whole lot more to try and try convincing a lot more people how "AWESOME" the product is.

And before people start saying I'm just a TNA basher, I'm not. I looked forward to watching TNA every week for a long time, Sting is to thank for that since he was my icon growing up. But TNA has just gotten ridiculous and a lot more people seem to be thinking along the same ways is me since they are pretty much losing money every PPV the run nowadays.

 

[WCWMondayNitroOnYT]

The Dreamer promo was pathetic. He was just whining and crying. To pump us up for a ppv, it should have been the entire group going extreme with an evenflow ddt on Dixie Carter to top it off. But no...we get Dreamer crying like a bitch and everybody else just standing there like a group of fucktards. Then, of course, we have Dixie who always sounds like she's scolding her children even when she's attempting to praise somebody. It was an epic fail in every way possible. As if the E didn't rape the name of ECW enough, now we have the actual former members taking turns and there's not even any lube in sight.

 

[Capsaicin]

All this is is a way for TNA to try and turn things around since they aren't doing too great. Will it work? Probably not since WWE had ONS in 2005 and 2006 as the true ECW final shows where the wrestlers from ECW were actually able to move around and it was a lot of them, not just 7 or 8 like this show.

I find it funny when people are saying TNA is amazing and are getting pissed at people for bashing TNA when TNA seems to be losing fans left and right. Don't believe me? Look at the PPV buys. They were drawing 25,000 a PPV in 2006-2007. Now they at 8,000... Hmmmmmmm, all you people getting pissed for people not liking TNA need to start talking a whole lot more to try and try convincing a lot more people how "AWESOME" the product is.

And before people start saying I'm just a TNA basher, I'm not. I looked forward to watching TNA every week for a long time, Sting is to thank for that since he was my icon growing up. But TNA has just gotten ridiculous and a lot more people seem to be thinking along the same ways is me since they are pretty much losing money every PPV the run nowadays.

I'm sick of hearing about TNA's PPV buyrates. The only people who know the buy rates are the ones who run the company. They don't release that information to the public.

 

[tru_overdose]

soooo

i joined just to air my two cents.

was this the worst "shoot" to follow the worst "promo" in wrestling history? YES!

this was absolutely all around awful. are we watching a 2nd rate thunder or is this just worse than independent wrestling bad?

1. jesus christ RVD. a shell of what you were allowed in WWE bad. no wonder you were allowed to walk away for nothing. this might have been the worst world champion promo in the history of wrestling. my 6 year old nephew laughed and cut a random better promo?

2. tommy dreamer. wow. you sold out. not because you made TNA seem like a REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY bad episode of Thunder, but because you cried over something you were already given (and failed at) a shot at a PPV in which over the hill ECW stars were already given. this is just downright sad. you had teenagers who without a doubt never have seen the true ECW chant for you because it looked cool? fail.

3. This PPV almost equals the death for an almost already dead TNA. the show has worse production value than ECW on TNN did with zero budget...with 1000 times the budget. its just time to pull the plug. i dont see how you can value a show, with tons of obvious in ring talent, the worst all time production value of any company, substantial worse talent (in this angle), etc. TNA is just terrible.

4. BREAKDOWN. a. tommy dreamer = desperate for money, even though he denies it. was let go from the WWE because he offered nothing all around. (unarguable). b. mick foley...what the fuck? a massive ego to show his face for a company he left for more money, never offered his blood sweat and tears to, and a company he just flat out used when nobody wanted him. c. rhyno. steroids. thats all. d. stevie richards. hasnt worked a meaningful match in over a decade, no wonder he looked the best of them all! e. raven. obvious abuser of pills, booze, weed, coke, etc. hes the next wrestler to die from drug abuse. mark my words.

5. Isnt this ECW "angle" just a REALLY low grade attempt to compete with the Nexus angle? It is. whether "Its Damn Real" replies with a butthurt comment to attempt to save the promotion he dickrides, this is just sad as a wrestling fan. im offended as a fan overall . if you threw TNAs worst talent in a faction and you gave them no airtime on TNAs website, it would be a major upgrade.

 

[rocksuperstarkaos]

Any respecting ECW fan knows there is so much wrong with what happened last night.

1. Tommy Dreamer crying and complaining like a bitch. Most of these comments are correct, WWE didn't have to keep Dreamer employed, they didn't have to give him a job in the first place, be grateful.

2. Dreamer and Raven in the same ring not trying to kill each other. These guys had BLOOD WARS, I don't wanna see them standing next to each other singing coombaya.

3. No Paul Heyman. I'm sorry but you cannot have an ECW show without Paul Heyman, even if it is a huge rip off of 2005. Which leads me to #4. Heyman said he wanted nothing to do with it, TNA should have left it alone and not even done it.

4. The whole rip off of WWE and the One Night Stand concept, once again, TNA shows why they have absolutely no chance at surviving much longer, they can't come up with there own ideas, it always has to be some kind of rip off of WWE somehow.

 

[Stormlor]

Ok as an ECW fan from way back when I will say my opinion. ECW for me was on all the time on Thursdays or Saturday. ECW to me was greater than WCW and that slapstick show WWE. I agree with what Dixie said and I hate Dixie, but ECW did in the 90s was pure awesome.

ECW to me is all my high school buddies watching a November to Remember and shouting ECW and Holy Shit at the TV. Seeing RVD doing a Van Damninator with annoying Bill Afonso. Hearing one of the best color commentators in wrestling (Joey Styles) yell his head off. And of course how could you forget the Quintessential Stud Muffin Joel Gertner. This was ECW. What WWE did to ECW was a disgrace. They turned a hot promotion into pure crap.

So for me I support this, if it goes on longer than one night I'll be watching. You don't need Ballz, or Sandman as both couldn't wrestle. Hell you can do ECW with RVD, MCMG, and half the X Division. Eric, Dixie, Jeff, and Hogan really need to do this well and carefully in my opinion. This promotion was the highlight for me in wrestling in the 90s, and I would love to see it again in HD . Seeing a Jerry Lynn vs RVD match again would be an instant classic. All we need now is Super Crazy and Tajari to finish it off.

My only beef with this so far is Spike. While TNA and ECW were both on Spike TV (Back then it was the The Nashville Network for all you WWE kiddies). Over the next couple weeks we are gong to see preludes to the PPV. What will Spike allow now compared to 10 years ago. Will they allow Alfonso to blow his annoying whistle? Will they allow Dreamer or Raven to bleed like Flair? On top of that can we finally see a half ring RVD Frogsplash though I don't think his legs are as good as they used to be otherwise we would of seen a Vanterminator already too though we saw that tonight from Chris Sabin. Also RVD's interview was huh? RVD never speak again. Just get Alfonso to do it again for you.

So in closing...ECW ECW ECW...Oh yea and bring back Heyman. You want an ECW, you have to have one of the best wrestling minds and voices in it as well. Though if this angle is going forward I assume Heyman has signed or is close to signing with TNA.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I thought Tommy Dreamer's promo was good in that it was emotional and heartfelt. I know that he loved ECW, but it's hard for me to be the least bit sympathetic for him. I don't blame Tommy Dreamer for taking care of his family, not at all, but Dreamer can't have it both ways. He seemed to have little problem with the destruction of the ECW legacy as long as he was drawing a nice fat paycheck from Vince. If Dreamer hadn't spent most of the last decade feeding at the WWE's tit, his words would have had much more of an impact with me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Vince McMahon doesn't deserve criticism for his handling of ECW. I fully agree that he does. But, to some degree, it sounded kind of low class coming from Dreamer. Dreamer came off last night as a hypocrite and you'll notice that he never mentioned his role in the downfall of the ECW legacy. I know Dreamer didn't decide what happened creatively, but he still went out there and did his thing with a big smile on his face. He helped shit on the ECW legacy himself. Simply put, he sold ECW out in order to get fat from working for the WWE.

I know it came from the heart and I know that Dreamer's emotions were real, but it doesn't make him look any less like a hypocrtical, two-faced bastard at the same time.

 

[Stormlor]

I thought Tommy Dreamer's promo was good in that it was emotional and heartfelt. I know that he loved ECW, but it's hard for me to be the least bit sympathetic for him. I don't blame Tommy Dreamer for taking care of his family, not at all, but Dreamer can't have it both ways. He seemed to have little problem with the destruction of the ECW legacy as long as he was drawing a nice fat paycheck from Vince. If Dreamer hadn't spent most of the last decade feeding at the WWE's tit, his words would have had much more of an impact with me.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Vince McMahon doesn't deserve criticism for his handling of ECW. I fully agree that he does. But, to some degree, it sounded kind of low class coming from Dreamer. Dreamer came off last night as a hypocrite and you'll notice that he never mentioned his role in the downfall of the ECW legacy. I know Dreamer didn't decide what happened creatively, but he still went out there and did his thing with a big smile on his face. He helped shit on the ECW legacy himself. Simply put, he sold ECW out in order to get fat from working for the WWE.

I know it came from the heart and I know that Dreamer's emotions were real, but it doesn't make him look any less like a hypocrtical, two-faced bastard at the same time.

Yes thats very true. At the same time he needed money. He has a wife and two kids to support. A WWE check was good to him, and he was loyal in the end just like he was in ECW. The old time fans of ECW will know that Dreamer is very loyal to his company. He never once left ECW until WWE bought it out. And then he still stayed in WWE. What a lot of you are comparing is he a hypocrite or he just supporting is family.

I don't know if a lot of you will get this but the people who have families will. At the stage he was, he had to support and take care of his family first, passion later. Its how business works. If he was still single and didn't need money he would of jumped to TNA a long time ago or stay in indies. I wouldn't call him a hypocrite I call him a loyal person and in general a man who supports his family. Most of the people who are here I'm going to guess are in their teenage years or in the early to mid 20s. I'm not saying everybody, so don't go get rage out of it. I'm saying that sometimes you have to take a job a company you hate and despise just to get paid. While he's loyal to whom ever he works for, he still knows at the end of the day what is passion and what is life.

As for his emotions. Standard Dreamer in my opinion.

 

[Suneeboy]

I agree Dreamers speech was horrible I'm so sick of seeing him cry during a promo innovator of violence my ass. He and everyone else needs to just let ECW go. Yes WWE destroyed the real ECW's legacy with their version. I just don't get how this is going to help rebuild ECW's legacy.

Most of the ECW originals are in really bad shape, and are most likely going to put on horrible matches. I don't get the point of doing this they can't even use the ECW name. If their not careful their going to get sued.

TNA should be focusing on rebuilding their product. Not doing a one night reunion to a company that their competition owns the rights to. Dixie is nothing but a mark this proves it. She's willing to put on a pay per view for ECW. Just to kiss Heyman's ass and try to bring him in.

You know you took the words right out of my mouth. TNA should be focusing on building their product and not doing reunion shows focused on a company that their COMPETITION owns the rights to.

I feel bad for the younger guys, and the guys who want to make a name for themselves. I feel bad for the Matt Morgans, Pope's, Amazing Red's, Hamadas, Samoa Joes, so on and so forth. Instead of being built, they have to again take a backseat to more out of shape wrestlers from yesteryear.