Should the Knockouts have a show

[DaBadGuy]

Sorry if there's already a thread like this if it is feel free to move it.

Now a days in wrestling many wrestling fans could really careless about women's wrestling. Most women are eye candy and thats basically the only reason they get offered contracts. Of course I was talking about WWE on the other hand we have TNA they have some beautiful and yet some not so beautiful female wrestlers in their company. Regardless of how they may look one thing I'm sure we can all agree on their all very talented but the thing is many off us still could really careless about women's wrestling. Many of us feel that they are just a waste of time and that TNA really doesn't have enough time for them period. Well I have a solution to all of this and thats that TNA should create a show for the Knockout's. I feel that since TNA care alot about their Knockouts and that their just as important as their men then why not give them their own show. They already have a Knockout's title and Knockout's tag team title, also TNA usually has at least 2 Knockout's matches every week on Impact so I think it would make sense. I know some people may say they don't have enough women but they can easily sign more like they did when they started the Knockout division and then Mickie James just got released from WWE and I'm sure TNA will be contacting her pretty soon if not now. And I can hear some people saying it won't be a success but at the same time like I said not to many wrestling fans care that much about women's wrestling to begin with even if their on the show with the men so really if they were to try this idea they have nothing to loss, if it doesn't work scrap the idea and bring them back to the Impact roster with the men. However for those who do care about women wrestling I know for a fact they will watch the show. So what does everyone think would this be a good or bad idea.

 

[PEP3]

First of all, I'd really like you to begin utilizing punctuation. It would make reading your posts much easier. That said...

At the moment, TNA should focus on streamlining their flagship program, IMPACT, before worrying about creating any additional television programming. Over the last few months, raitings have dipped lower and lower, and I believe this is largely due to the fact that TNA's programming is inconsistent, confusing and doesn't flow incredibly well. Before they remove the historically highest-rated segments of IMPACT -- the Knockout matches -- TNA needs to do something to pull the rest of the flagging ratings out of the basement.

If they're able to do that, then and only then could they maybe devise something specifically for the women. For now, though, IMPACT needs the women to get even the pitiful ratings they've been pulling.

 

[BWEEZY2009]

As the guy above mentioned.. They should probably worry more about not getting there but handed to them that bad every week on Impact, before starting up a 2nd show.

B- Even if Impact was competing and they had the money to do it (they don't) I would still say it wouldn't get over. Maybe back in the day with Awesome Kong and Gail Kim's matches, but even then I wouldn't think it would get over in the long run.

If the wrestling was good, I wouldn't mind it... But when the last time TNA Knockouts have been good? If it would be anything like it is now, than it would flopp

 

[Vintage]

If you asked this question last year, I think you would have gotten a different reaction. At the moment, they barely have enough girls to tape an hr show without it being the same thing every week. That's also assuming the format is three 10-15 minute matches a show.

TNA can use either 1 or both of the following

1)better rotation of their on air talent. You don't need to fire people, find something for them to do.
2)a second show focusing on the x-division and the KO's and leaving impact open to use everything else.

 

[Fan_of_Wrestling]

I doubt TNA will do this for one reason and one reason only... IF a knockout show beat Impact in the ratings they would be forced to re-assess the contracts, it's a well known fact that TNA underpay their female talent who often pull strong viewership.

I think they choose not to have a second show for Knockouts and/or X-division because they might beat the likes of Hogan... I just wish they were given the chance. I think that two shows would help them use their huge roster properly, but I don't see them doing it.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Last summer, Dixie Carter had discussed the possibility of having a second TNA show devoted to the Knockouts but it didn't come about. If TNA ever does develop a second show, I believe it would be a mistake for it to be devoted to the Knockouts. All throughout the history of professional wrestling, even back before the start of the NWA, women's wrestling has never been a big draw in America. That's simply how it's always been. Women's wrestling has long been an accepted addition to cards in America, but male wrestlers have always been the priority and the moneymakers. However, that doesn't mean that it's impossible for women's wrestling to become a significant force, but it is very unlikely to happen. For a while now, the Knockout Division in TNA has been a pale shadow of itself back in 2007 and 2008. A lot of really good women wrestlers are no longer with TNA and the Knockout Division itself doesn't really seem to have much of a point or a direction. The Beautiful People do their thing, and their primary purpose is really sex appeal, the Knockout title changes hands every couple of weeks, the Knockout tag titles are pointless at this point. The Knockout Division is currently the weakest its ever been.

I don't look for TNA to start up another wrestling show anytime soon. Right now, TNA's energy is focused on trying to beat Raw in the ratings. That's something that simply isn't going to happen anytime soon and, unless TNA accepts that, I think iMPACT! is all there's going to be from TNA. I don't know what TNA's financial situation is but there is the possibility that TNA just doesn't have the money for a second show. The vast majority of wrestlers signed with TNA work on a paid by appearance basis. If they don't appear on iMPACT! or ppvs, they don't get paid. TNA has a roster roughly the same size as the WWE's, yet they don't regularly use the majority of said roster. If TNA started another show for the purpose of using a lot of that unused talent, that's more money that TNA would have to shell out.

 

[jccool420]

No!!! TNA desperatelt needs a second "B" show... But, it should not be just for knockouts...

They need to make Xplosion a real show on Spike TV... I think it should even be two hours long... That way they can use all their talent... I in no way want to see them doing a roster split... It would be great though to have a show where you would see number one contender matches or X Division Matches or Tag Team title matches headline... It would also be a huge advertising tool for Impact... You would get to see some of the lower card guys and knockouts that don't make Impact regularly and it would also help in not making Impact feel as rushed as it does sometimes with them trying to get as much out of their two hours as possible... Even if the show was only an hour long, I really think it would help the over all product tremendously...

 

[Caitiff]

The short answer is "No. They should not have a show specifically for the Knockouts."

The longer answer is that the Knockouts are the highest drawing part of Impact. And, percentage-wise, that's by no small margin. They gain, on average, about 15% more viewers when The Beautiful People are dancing around than they do when Bischoff is talking. Let me say that again, 1 in 7 people who watch Impact do so solely for the boobs. To remove those boobs from the show would do far more harm than Spike TV would ever allow them to do.
"But, Rob. Those boobs would be on their own show." And, that's another part of the problem. I, like a lot of the people in the IWC, am a wrestling purist. I would much rather watch a Benoit/Angle match from 2005 than pretty much naything that's been on any wrestling TV over the last year. (Excluding Michaels/Taker from Wrestlemania.)

So, if only 1 out of 7 TNA viewers watch for the boobs, then that show's ratings will be 1/7th of Impact's. Anyone? Top of your head. What's 1/7 of .8?Yeah. That's a .114. What network would be suicidal enough to promote a show that you can only guarantee a .114 weekly rating on? In prime time, no less.

And, with all due respect to people like Tara, Mickie James, and Beth Phoenix, there hasn't been a female wrestling match, to my knowledge, in the last 3 years that has been worthwhile, by the standards of an actually good wrestling match. And, no, I'm not talking about "it was good, for a girl." I'm talking about just plain good wrestling. Tara, for instance, is very good at what she does for a living. However, she's not Christopher Daniels or Chris Jericho. She still has to have an opponent that can hold her own.

That's actually the biggest drawback to the TNA Knockouts. Unless you plan on having Tara vs. Mickie James (Assuming she joins the TNA roster in 90 days) every single week, they're not going to be able to guarantee a worthwhile matchup between their female wrestlers.

And, yes, WWE has the same problem. Actually, it's even more pronounced in WWE. While people like Maryse and Alicia Fox are slowly improving their in ring work, they're still stuck in matches with people like Kelly Kelly, who can barely walk without tripping over themselves. Even more baffling is the fact that WWE has two of the best women's wrestlers in America and only ever use one of them. Gail Kim vs. Beth Phoenix could actually set a very high bar for televised women's wrestling in America. But, the McMahon hatred of anyone who leaves WWE on their own terms and then comes back prevents it. (I wish he would have maintained that hatred for Jeff Hardy. But, that's another topic.)

Then, let's go into the fact that TNA only has about 10 women actually wrestling on their roster. And, they have two titles. And, one women has both of them. Granted, Madison Rayne is, in my opinion, the best looking of the Beautiful People. But, nothing she's done in a TNA ring shows that she should be a champion. Maybe if they merged with SHIMMER, or something like that to produce a joint show.

"But, Rob....." Yeah, I know. WWE is worse than TNA in this regard. But, just because getting punched in the face hurts less than getting kicked in the balls, that means I should like being punched in the face? That's a useless point, and should never be brought up again.

If TNA insists on airing a second show, they should focus of the X Division. That is, and I mean this literally, the ONLY aspect of their show that shows anything that even resembles an alternative to WWE on a truely national level. Honestly, there's just not a large scale national market for women's wrestling in America.

I honestly believe that, if HDNet were actually national, TNA's 8 to 9 ratings would be in the toilet along with their 9 to 10 ratings. Last week's Impact, with the RVD title win, was, easily, the best TNA broadcast I have ever seen. Frankly, it was still not as good as your typical episode of Smackdown. TNA's flagship is starting to get flooded. They need to start bailing out the water before it sinks. You talk about expanding the TNA brand. They need to fix what's broken before they even consider expanding.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

Because women's wrestling has a historical penchant for being a highly touted success?

No, man. I don't care if iMPACT! were runing 4.0's on Monday nights and smashing the WWE – no one cares that much about women's wrestling that a break-off show could actually survive beyond a few short weeks. Not even the internet smarks care enough to make that a hit.

A second show is an option at some point, but all-women all the time? I'd sooner watch 90210 re-hashed, as it'd be just as entertaining and essentially focused around the same bullshit drama.

 

[Charismatic Edge]

At the moment, TNA should focus on streamlining their flagship program, IMPACT, before worrying about creating any additional television programming. Over the last few months, raitings have dipped lower and lower, and I believe this is largely due to the fact that TNA's programming is inconsistent, confusing and doesn't flow incredibly well. Before they remove the historically highest-rated segments of IMPACT -- the Knockout matches -- TNA needs to do something to pull the rest of the flagging ratings out of the basement.

If they're able to do that, then and only then could they maybe devise something specifically for the women. For now, though, IMPACT needs the women to get even the pitiful ratings they've been pulling.

I was thinking along the same lines here. The first order of business should be to gain some consistency on the main show. Find a direction and stick with it. No more face and heel turns every week. That's what killed Bret Hart and Sting 12 years ago.

I feel there's a big need for a second program. The roster is a lot bigger than it was even 2 years ago and they should stop wasting time on wrestlers with zero tv time like Tomko or Taylor Wilde. They need to give them a stage to stay sharp so they can be ready when needed. Or just to help hone some skills.

 

[Poop Master Flex]

This is a terrible idea.

First off, Knockouts don't sell tickets, plain and simple (well, maybe when Awesome Kong worked there but not anymore). Like Its Damn Real said, even if TNA was doing awesome ratings every week it would still be a bad idea, women's wrestling just doesn't sell, the promotion Shimmer is a perfect example of this, almost every decent Womens wrestler out there has made their way through Shimmer but they've never done a show of over 200 people and they probably have the best Women wrestlers in the world in that promotion (Kongs , Daffney, Nattie Neidhart, and Beth Phoenix have all worked for Shimmer at one point or another). Womens wrestling is not a cash-cow, never has been and never will be.

Also, TNA should be using their efforts to build what they currently have (like increasing weekly ratings and buyrates), the last thing they should worry about is giving the Knockouts their own show (especially since the division is a fraction of what it used to be). Knockouts will always have their place in TNA, but like WWE Divas they don't put butts in seats, they may get a reaction or get some solid cheers/boos but I can't see too many people dropping 50 bucks just to see Velvet Sky (they'll pay $50 to see AJ Styles and Kurt Angle, and that person may also want to see Velvet Sky, but Velvet Sky isn't the MAIN reason they are paying the 50 bucks. The only way that Velvet Sky would sell tickets is if a BJ came with every purchase, and this is coming from a Velvet Sky fan).

 

[Ruthless-RKO]

tna is a mix gender promotion, you should only find women's tv shows on all women promotions, if anyone should have done it, it would have been wwe back in 1999-2002, they had the best womens roster ever.

plus tna tried it, remember new yearsv eve knockout, it was 2 hours of special ppv matches and 2 hours of all knockouts, it got a 0.6 rating, is that like 800,000 viewers?

they should focus on iMPACT itself first before trying anything else.

 

[cinderboy]

They should have a collaboration with Hooters. Get what I mean ? ")

 

[gd]

Of course they shouldn't. First of all, it's women's wrestling. The fact of the matter is, people just don't care nearly as much about women's wrestling as they do males. I sure don't. Secondly, they don't have nearly enough talent to make this show work. The BP, Tara, and Angelina are basically the only KO's doing anything at the moment. Other than that, you have Hamada, Daffney Sartia, and Wilde who are all pretty decent, but that's it. ODB is terrible. That's like 10 total people, not nearly enough for an interesting show.

If TNA ever were to get a second show, it would be needed to feature guys like the MCMG, GenMe, Homicide, etc. Sure, you could have some KO's on there too, but having a show with only KO's would not only tank, but it'd be boring as hell.