Are the Knockouts Ruining Raw & Smackdown ?

[ztwhite]

Pretty straight forward question - is the success of TNA's Knockout division ruining Raw and Smackdown because Vince is hell bent on showcasing his Diva's like Dixie showcases her Knockouts ?

I'm not a huge fan of women wrestling, but like most men, enjoy looking at them and the WWE has far more attractive women IMO.

But the women in TNA really can wrestle when they want to... at least a select few can.

Even when the top talents in the WWE take the ring... Mickie James, Beth Phoenix and Gail Kim... the matches have been incredibly sloppy as of late. It's definitely no where near the days of Lita, Trish, Torrie, etc...

So if TNA didn't push their female wrestlers, would Vince even care about putting his women in the ring ?

 

[Viola Moonlight]

Did you just ask the question that one division from TNA is ruining the two major brands in professional wrestling? I could have sworn you did.

Hell no ztwhite. It does not matter how good any division is, it will never simply take down or ruin another companies entire show. I mean, you got RAW with Cena, special guest hosts & a lot of kid friendly action that really draws in the crowds. SmackDown has got the rising stars of the business being featured prominently & showcasing that they can hold their own in the ring attracting the older type fans of the business. One simple division cannot surpass this, albeit it can aid the show its currently on.

The only thing I can see the TNA KnockOut's doing as of currently are defeating & possibly ruining ECW as well as outdoing & outperforming the Diva's. Why, the diva's are the worst division that the company has ever since the revival of the tag team division. It is a shame though for me to say this, but the crowd isn't into the whole division & not even half of the girls on the roster draw any reaction or cannot wrestle properly. The KO's beat the diva's in every possible way imaginable despite the fact that a member of the biggest thing going for TNA known as the Beautiful People isn't good herself in the ring (Velvet Sky). As for ECW, this could prove a worthy battle as you have one solid womens division against the veteran/noob show that doesn't rate that well, but still very good for cable.

Are the KnockOut's ruining RAW/SD? No. ECW... possibly. Strictly for divisions, then right now the diva's will suffer from the KnockOut's wrath.

EDIT: Yes the WWE's diva's wrestlers do put on sloppy matches, but at least some are trying to make amends like Kelly Kelly & Mickie James. If the diva's could get used to Beth's & Kim's wrestling style then the amount of sloppy matches would dramatically decrease.

 

[JimmyLeviathan]

I highly doubt that female wrestlers have that kind of impact. Face it, as sexist as it may seem, women's wrestling is a joke. Can you remember the last time you saw a one on one Diva's match on Raw? Now it's always 6 Diva tag matches and Diva Battle Royales because none of them can carry a singles match.

Does it hurt the WWE that their Diva's are only half as good as the TNA Knockouts? Shit no, when was the last time anyone tuned into Raw and said "wow, I'm really excited about the Diva's Championship match tonight?" It hurts Raw in the way that Hornswoggle does, by taking up valuable time that could be used for other programs and angles that aren't a complete joke.

As for Vince being "hell bent on showcasing his Diva's", I think the only thing Vince wants to showcase is the enormous inflatable fun bags that each and every Diva seems to possess.

Vince evidently couldn't give a shit what TNA does and I doubt that the Knockouts would even register on his radar of giving-a-shit. To suggest that they're 'ruining Raw and Smackdown' is ludicrous, all women's wrestlers are there for is to be ogled at by the thousands of men in attendance, they don't make or break a program.

 

[JDavis328]

I think he miss stated what he meant. I dont think he meant the knockouts are a thing to destroy the brands themselves. As for that obviously not. I think he may of meant when it comes to watching the diva matchs on raw and smackdown,a person that has seen some of what the knockouts do are left saying "thats all?". I agree. I dont like the diva division at all and havnt for awhile. I think vince made more money when it was about the sex appeal which i hated as well. I think when he said vince trying to go that way he may of mistaken the whole no more sex appeal type stuff that vince has done for the PG era for a no sex appeal,go for wrestling instead. I will be honest. Most the wwe diva roster cant wrestle their way out of a paper bag. There are some great girl wrestlers there yes but for the most part its trash. Then the saddest part is when you only have a handful of good wrestlers and the rest being trashed,the good wrestlers end up not looking good because they cant against someone who just started wrestling barely a year ago and still cant pull much off. People like Gail and Mickie which in my opinion are the 2 best they got. To be honest I would love to see Gail and Mickie go back to TNA.

O and to the guy that mentioned the wrestlers no days are no where near trish,lita and torrie. Honestly most the knockouts are better then them. Trish was great yes but she really was a kelly kelly story played out. She couldnt wrestle at all at first. She had the desire and made it big. She had talent and maybe if she would of been showcased in the way the knockouts were i wouldnt say this. Same with Lita. Both of them had amazing talent but the way they were showcased in wwe when they were there shows me that knockouts got them beat to. Also Torrie was a horrible wrestler. I call Kelly Kelly Torrie Wilson V2. Not to say i hate torrie or kelly just they are not the best wrestlers.

 

[The Mark of Zur-En-Arrh]

I can watch the Women's division when the wrestling is actually good, but otherwise i'm not interested.

Beth, Michelle, Mickie, Gail and Melina know what they're doing. Maria, Kelly, Eve, Layla and the rest that came off the street and are Diva Search runners up, clearly do not.

I don't watch TNA, but everytime i do come across it, it's Knockout matches, and while yes they take more risks and (god forbid) do gimmick matches, the standard of wrestling still isn't awesome. But what is good, is that they actually have storylines and stables to help fans consider the Knockouts to be just as significant as the Male talent.

I think the Beautiful People are a great idea, the mammoth Awesome Kong and others like Tara who are also talent with a wide variety of skills, and then there's Knockouts like ODB who know how to get a crowd going without having to rely on her body to do it.

Vince keeps hiring models and eye candy because he knows 13 year old boys will lap that up (not to mention the rest of us), and the girls will will have a role model or two to aspire to (i guess), but all it ever is between these girls is 'hey, you're ugly' or 'i want the title'.

That's worse than Taker's choice of 3 storylines to recycle, except it applies to a whole division!!!!!

I'd pay a LOT more attention to WWE Divas if they aspired to the quality that TNA's Knockout's work to, but i'm not going to switch allegiances to Totally Narsassistic Assclowns just because the Women put on half decent matches. So no, i don't feel that the Knockouts are a threat to WWE.

 

[Steamboat Ricky]

It's rare when people turn on the wrestling show just to see the women fighting. It's more of a complimentary deal, at least in WWE. So, to say that they are overshadowing and totally dominating the Divas is kind of irrelevant...as the Divas serve as role-players, in my opinion.

 

[King Patrick Star]

You can’t compare TNA’s Knockout Division to WWE Women’s and Divas’ Divisions. Even if you were to combined the WWE’s two Female Divisions, TNA would still Knockout, pun intended, the Divas. TNA has T&A in Total Non-stop Wrestling Action while the WWE has models learning how to be Athletic Actors or Acting Athletes, half full or half empty, depending on how you see it. The WWE isn’t even trying to pretend their females can compete with Orlando’s and rely too much on appearance before skill. I can 88% guarantee that Vince would not do their own version of G.L.O.W., but on the other side of the coin, I can 88% guarantee that TNA’s All-Knockout show will be successful due to their skills.

As far as TNA KO “ruining” the Red and Blue Show, well that’s just silly. The TNA KOs are good, but them alone can’t “ruin” WWE altogether.

 

[Kenny Powers]

If anyone is ruining the Divas or Raw and Smackdown its Vince. TNA does their own thing, setting up feuds with Knockouts and great matches week in and week out. The Knockout Division is usually the most highest rated skit on TNA Impact. Its nice but its kinda sad that the women's division gets more attention then the main eventers on Impact. The Knockouts and TNA aren't a threat to Raw and Smackdown.

Maybe in a few years if TNA can market their product and get more exposure to Impact. I think Vince is more concerned with dancers and former cheerleaders then wrestlers. Raw can have bad Diva matches every week, and still they will do fine in the ratings. TNA hasn't ruined women's wrestling for WWE, WWE did that themselves. Some products have better story lines, and some have better talent.

I may watch TNA for The X Division and The Knockouts, along with the tag team division. I also watch WWE for the shock value and main eventers along with Hall of Famers. WWE doesn't have a great Diva or Tag Division, but they do have great talent and prestige. I'll never stop watching WWE because I'm a TNA fan, just like I wont stop drinking Pepsi because I'm a Coke fan.

 

[dvayne]

I agree that if TNA didn't showcase their Knockout division then Vince wouldn't push the Diva division as strong but let's face it Raw is being ruined by Hornswoggle vs Chavo matches (I understand why Hornswoggle has a job but he doesn't need to take up ring time when you have quality wrestlers like Chris Masters working dark matches)

The same old DX skits (although not as lame as 2006 yet)

Guest Host promos (along with embarassing Santino)

If Vince were to release some Divas and focus on one title being pushed by Mickie, Kelly, Melina, Beth, Maryse, Rosa, Michelle and Gail then their division would dominate TNA's however right now we have the same six diva tag matches and battle royals week after week

Smackdown is doing just fine as it is. Michelle and Melina are doing a good job making the Smackdown division strong and focusing on a more wrestling related product

 

["Cool Guy" Jensen]

Even before the Knockout's division on TNA were as big as they are now, Vince McMahon still made it seem like you'd see a divas match almost every single week. Just because the divas are featured on Raw and Smackdown and they are not as good as the Knockouts, it doesn't mean it's ruining WWE's top shows.

Look at it this way... Sure the divas aren't as good as the Knockouts but you cannot say that they are hurting the divas or the shows they are featured on. The fact that they are featured on a weekly basis is a plus in it's own right. When you wrestle more, you get a better chance to improve.

Mickie James, Beth Phoenix, Gail Kim. They were gifted performers from the start if you ask me. Melina, Jillian, Kelly Kelly, Layla, Maria. They have all greatly improved since their debut. Some more than others, while some of divas need a bit more work. The more they are featured, the more they wrestle, the better chance they improve.

So, I wouldn't say that the TNA Knockouts are ruining anything. Vince McMahon is not trying to compete with TNA. If Vince wants to feature his divas every week, we cannot we anything to stop it.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

Simple answer is no. The Knockouts are having no impact on Raw or SmackDown. I don't see exactly as to how the Knockouts have had any impact as to how the WWE uses the Divas. It's not uncommon at all for either show to have at least one Divas match per week, occassionally more, and it's pretty much been that way for a long time.

While I do agree that some of the Knockout segments are entertaining, primarily those involving The Beautiful People, the Knockouts aren't having nearly as big of an impact as some may think. As of right now, talk is that TNA's second show is going to be a show devoted to the Knockouts. Regardless of whatever one's feelings towards women's wrestling or which company's has the better women's division, the fact is that it has NEVER been a big draw in the United States at any point in time.

 

[RayneJames81]

I think that the WWE has plenty of talent in the Divas department, but the real question is why arent they show cased as WELL as the Knockouts. Now I will be honest I have never watched TNA except for a few seconds here and there, but their knockouts CAN wrestle. Now for WWE, Mickie James, Melina, Michelle McCool, Beth Pheonix, Maryse, Gail Kim, Kelly Kelly, Katie Lea, Natalya, Jillian Hall and even to an extent Layla, Alicia, Eve, and Rosa are all EXCEPTIONALLY talented women that can wrestle but are either in the same fued or are never shown other than in tag teams, battle royales, or as valets. The prob is they arent given any good story lines and they are all stuck on their respective rosters. I think they should allow all divas to wrestle on ANY show as well as the two womens belts. That way women like Jillian, Katie Lea, and Natalya who are all VERY exceptional wrestlers could get more air time and be put into the womens/divas title mix. I LOVE LOVE Mickie James, but I think it would be cool to see Natalya or Jillian Hall with one of the titles. Itd be NEW and entertaining. Itd give variety to the matches. Just not Always Mickie vs Beth or Maryse. Just my opinion. If they would show case the divas more, it could open doors for new fans and old. I personally love tuning in for the Divas matches every week, even if there are flub ups. Someone has to support and love these ladies. This is their career and life for some if not most.

 

[shafe_41]

I'm still not seeing how Vince is showcasing the Divas the way Dixie showcases the Knockouts. Yes the Knockouts are featured far more than the Divas... but in no way, shape, or form are the Knockouts... a small part of TNA... RUINING the 2 biggest weekly wrestling shows on television.

Vince more or less throws the Divas into the show. The Divas rarely have storylines or a match with any substance or meaning other than... well... just another match. The Knockouts, mainly the Beautiful People, are featured each and every week on Impact and are still one of the more entertaining aspects of Impact week in and week out. They're consistantly one of the best segments. TNA is slowly going the wrong direction with the Knockouts though. Yes, I'm a fan of the Knockout Tag Titles they're introducing because that's a very original aspect for their show. The only thing I don't like about the Knockouts is the same thing I don't like about the Divas. They're too damn many of them. Looking at the number of Knockouts, counting those who don't enter the ring for action... there are 18. Yes. 18 Knockouts... for 2 hours of weekly television. Vince barely features 18 Superstars on Raw period. But TNA has 18 Knockouts? Good friggin' God. I appriciate TNA giving these women the chance to showcase their talent because everybody needs a job and deserves a shot... but 18? TNA does need another show. But that's for another thread.

No the Knockouts aren't ruining Smackdown and Raw. Not by a longshot. Not even at all.

 

[thetoko]

Can't see how TNA's KO division is ruining anything for WWE. Vince is going to do what he wants. He is the sole person putting over these talentless women in his womens and divas division. WWE has a handful of talented girls like Kim and Mickie. Their match a few weeks ago was the perfect example of a dream match that would have been 10x better on TNA television but looked like a total failure on WWE television. Simply put, wwe wants nothing to do with athleticism in womens wrestling.