Should Swagger have cashed his MITB in on Raw

[DaBadGuy]

I'm not saying he should have cashed his MITB on Cena this past Raw but the Raw coming up is what I mean. It could have been against Jericho like it was on Smackdown and could have happened the exact same way. Jericho comes on Raw like for no reason at all just to run his mouth the next thing you know "You think you know me" Edge music play and he comes out and spears Jericho. And when Edge starts going up the ramp Swagger hits with the briefcase and cashes MITB in on Jericho to win the belt. Now many may say why do I think WWE should have allowed Swagger to do it on Raw instead of Smackdown well I say this for a couple of reasons.

1. Spoilers: After we heard that Swagger won the title it was almost pretty pointless to even watch Smackdown because we all knew he won the damn belt. Of course the only ones who don't know are the casual fans but pretty much everyone on this site and on many other sites knew about Swagger winning the title before it even aired on T.V which really spoiled the surprise.

2. Raw is live: It would have been much better if it was done on Raw because its live no spoilers or nothing. Remember when CM Punk cashed MITB in on Edge in 2008 remember how exciting it was because it was live and people actually changed their stations to see if it was true. It might have just been me but still I changed my station to see if he had actually won the title.

3. Unpredictable: If Smackdown was live it would have been unpredictable because I would pretty much just expect Swagger to cash it in on Cena. But imagine if it was on Raw both champions are their and Swagger's on Raw and he's heel so we wouldn't expect him to cash it in on Jericho.

4. Their going against TNA iMpact: I know many probably say their blowing Impact out of the water when it comes to ratings and its true. However that still doesn't mean you can't get TNA fans to change the station from SpikeTV to USA for just a couple of minutes to see Swagger as the champ.

So these are pretty much the reasons I felt it would have been better to let Swagger win the title on Raw instead of Smackdown. If you agree comment if you don't agree comment.

 

[RicSpade]

I agree that yeah it would have been a little more unpredictable but they did this for one of two reasons on Smackdown.

1. Now people are going to tune in to see if the Raw Superstar will be on Raw with the Smackdown belt.

2. They focused a big portion of the show to Swagger being the new champion and it wasn't lost in a shuffle of everything that happens on RAW.

and I am glad they did do you know happy I was that Swagger had a changed demeanor on Smackdown? I mean look at how he usually acts he pounds his chest and looks stupid and then the worst pyro move in the world a push up, its like giving Scott Steiner pyro to kiss his bicep. But this Swagger was different it was much like the metamorphosis we saw with the Miz after 1 week of being off Raw, new dress, new entrance, a new found arrogance and confidence. Swagger had that same confidence no excited pounding goofy smile, no he wanted you to take him seriously that he just whooped Jericho and stood over him like he was nobody and the same thing with the Hart Dynasty, Benjamin, and The end of the show with Edge and Jericho he didn't care who you were because he knew he was the champ and I think that this was the right way to give him the right push, too soon? Maybe but they are at the moment making him look strong and not like CM Punk in his first run.

 

[firestormadam]

i am gona go ahead and agree with u on this. to be honest i think they should have done it on john cena cause idk if u all noticed or not but when he said he was against cena on monday the crowd erupted. but then sadly it didnt. now im not a cena hater but i wouldnt hav minded seeing this happen. plus like dabadguy said about tna. im sure if they would have done it then tna would have lost even more viewers..so its just another way to blow tna away. but sadly none of this happened.

 

[hunterXhunter21]

I see what you are saying but I think spoilers might have helped. Everyone likes to see title changes so it being out there I think might have brought more people to watch smackdown this week. Sure the IWC I'm sure makes up a small part the ratings but still. I don't know how many people would be switching from tna to raw to see the title
change. Maybe the few who sit online and chat while the show is going on or someone getting a phone call. But it would not have been like when Mic won the title and a huge amount of people switch over. Tna doesn't update you on what's happening on raw. But like I said I think the spoilers might end up helping the ratings cause I watched smackdown for the first time in awhile tonight. If you want to be surprised don't read the spoliers.

 

[legenddkiller]

I completely agree to some extent. The fact that Smackdown is taped and spoilers where swarming other websites did indeed take out of the excitement of unexpected heel v. heel confrontation. I, as a "casual" fan of SD, might have not tuned in early enough to see it on a typical Friday night. Though the excitement of the championship changing hands so quickly after Wrestle Mania made me stop what I was doing and tune in. So in that regard, it made me more interest in what was going to occur, by actually wanting to watch it.

 

[The King]

I think he should have cashed it on Raw mainly because i wanted to see Jericho and Edge go at it for a couple more months with the title on the line. However, the fact that i knew about it ahead of time actually made me curious on how he did therefore intriguing me to watch the show.

 

[Rhonda Rousey's Sports Bra]

I think he should have cashed it in on Raw because, well, I would have been able to watch it. It would have been great to have been able to see that live and not been spoiled with the news beforehand. I also feel like anything that happens on Raw is a bigger deal because it's the flagship show and live. I'm more or less just mad because I missed it though.

 

[Athena]

I'm not saying he should have cashed his MITB on Cena this past Raw but the Raw coming up is what I mean. It could have been against Jericho like it was on Smackdown and could have happened the exact same way. Jericho comes on Raw like for no reason at all just to run his mouth.

This is exactly why I don't like this idea, and one of the major reasons why I didn't like how CM Punk cashed in his belt 2 years ago.

In the WWE universe, what exactly was the point for Edge, (or Jericho in this case) to appear on Raw? For the writer's sake, it was to lose the belts of course, but why would they - in their minds - be on Raw? It just doesn't make any sense and basically treats the fans as complete idiots. We're supposed to be believe that the Smackdown WHC just randomly appears on Raw, and his only purpose is to cut a promo where he brags for a few minutes, then leaves? What exactly would be accomplished by doing that?

And then, when the MITB winner appears, we're supposed to be in complete shock? Well no shit, there was no purpose for the WHC to be on Raw in the first place, other than to lose the belt.

 

[DaBadGuy]

This is exactly why I don't like this idea, and one of the major reasons why I didn't like how CM Punk cashed in his belt 2 years ago.

In the WWE universe, what exactly was the point for Edge, (or Jericho in this case) to appear on Raw? For the writer's sake, it was to lose the belts of course, but why would they - in their minds - be on Raw? It just doesn't make any sense and basically treats the fans as complete idiots. We're supposed to be believe that the Smackdown WHC just randomly appears on Raw, and his only purpose is to cut a promo where he brags for a few minutes, then leaves? What exactly would be accomplished by doing that?

And then, when the MITB winner appears, we're supposed to be in complete shock? Well no shit, there was no purpose for the WHC to be on Raw in the first place, other than to lose the belt.

I get where your coming from and I was honestly expecting an answer like this from someone. I actually even asked myself the same exact question as I wrote this, but hey this is where your creative team comes in handy. Its a good thing I'm not on the creative team because I would be totally clueless as to how to set up Jericho coming to Raw.

 

[Spidey Revivey]

Spoilers aside (let's pretend some of us never read them or heard about them, okay?) We were shocked and surprised that Jack Swagger would not only cash in his briefcase not even a week after 'Mania, but also win.

I do believe Jack Swagger should have cashed in the day after Wrestlemania on Raw. It would have been an even bigger shock to us if we care to admit it or not. But no matter how much we wanted something to happen, the writers had it to where Swagger beat Jericho, not Cena. Most likely because they wanted to work with the Batista vs. Cena feud some more and didn't want anyone to intervene. Jericho and Edge have been around long enough that they could work anyone in, even a somewhat random appearance of the new champ Swagger.

The only thing I do not like about this win is that it felt too soon. But of course they had to have him cash in because of the new ppv MITB. Execs didnt want his case to lose prestige and I do not blame them.

 

[Dazman14]

I get where your coming from and I was honestly expecting an answer like this from someone. I actually even asked myself the same exact question as I wrote this, but hey this is where your creative team comes in handy. Its a good thing I'm not on the creative team because I would be totally clueless as to how to set up Jericho coming to Raw.

It would be quite simple to set this up. You would just have to wait until the Draft. You could play it either way aswell...

Have Swagger drafted to Smackdown earlier in the evening. Then have Y2J and Edge involved in some sort of battle royal at the end of Raw, Y2J about to win 2 picks for Smackdown by nearly eliminating Cena but Edge (who was just eliminated by Y2J) comes back in and eliminates Y2J. 2 draft picks for Raw ...

2nd pick is Edge. Y2J waves him off with smile on face thinking it's over, Edge spears Y2J as a goodbye, spears Cena to say I'm now Raw starts walking up ramp - Swagger comes down - smashes Edge over the head - then you'd have choice of both Cena and Y2J down. Could have Swagger do finisher on both then have tough decision of who to cash in on...

TV Gold!

 

[DL23]

Simply yes, WWE are creating stars, in that match, literally speaking he was the one guy NO ONE expected to win, so it made good for a surprise.
Look at who WWE are pushing at the moment,
R Truth/Morrison,
Drew Mcintyre,
Sheamus,
Miz,
Kofi,
CM Punk,

all have had title runs lately (minus R Truth) but these are the young guys WWE are investing in, add Swagger to the list, WWE had high hopes for him a year ago, so it made sense that he'd pick up the win.

Christian, Matt Hardy, Bourne, Kane, Shelton are all pretty over, and to be fair are getting on in age, why would WWE give one of them this golden token? MITB is basically the updated version of King of the ring.

Look at past winners, Mania 21 Edge won, before the match he was over but not a main eventer, plus he was at the start of a mega heel turn when it came out he'd be pipping Lita in real life, good choice for a winner, capitolize on his ulitmate opportunist persona sleazy asshole character and it worked a treat hell 2 years later he prevoked an injured Ken Kennedy into putting his case up for grabs wins it and cashes in next night, Mania 22 RVD had flirted with the main event scene but never won the big one, MITB 2006 was the weakest line up IMO and was obvious RVD would win, Mania 23, I expected Edge to win, but the went with Ken Anderson, who got injured and Edge ended up winning the belt anyways, Mania 24 MVP was the new stand out star WWE pulled a major swerve and had Punk win, they messed up his first run which sucked, Mania 25 give him a 2nd win to show he was legit superstar and did wonders this time around, Mania 26 people thought they'd give the win to someone like Christian or Drew even Matt Hardy but Swagger was the perfect guy for ultimate surprise.

I actually think Swagger will drop the belt pretty soon, but that win give me break out star status, plus people need to remember in July there is a MITB PPV so if someone like Christian or whoever was going to win at Mania, they could easily give them the win at MITB PPV and built a new star in Swagger at Mania.

Check the bigger picture and you'll see it's pretty gnarly what WWE have done, plus they've added Swagger to the main event feud of Smackdown to get him in the thick of things, I doubt he'll ever be as over as Kurt Angle or Brock Lesnar but I reckon he'll stand the test of time for the current crop of guys, like Orton, Cena and Batista from the 2002 influx of talent.

 

[Fizzy2k10]

well tbh i think it would of been best to cash in the mitb on raw but the thing is that if he had cashed it in and won against cena it would of been cena's 3rd short world title reign in a row which i seriously dont see WWE doing. Now IF batista had won at wrestlemania it would of made sence for swagger to cash the mitb in and win the wwe title but that was not to be so they went for smackdown where he took the world title from jericho whilst edge still being in the title pic. Even though i see we have a singles match between edge and y2j next week i see this being a double DQ and leading us into a triple threat at ER.

Even though I think the cashing in of the MITB was too soon its good to see that they have spiced SD up with a little change in the main event seen. But i am eager to see what hapens to raw now with the cena and batista feud.

 

[d_henderson1810]

I woul have liked to have seen Swagger beat John Cena for the WWE Title. Not hating on Cena, but it would be good for two reasons.

1) It would put Swagger over huge. It is one thing to beat Chris Jericho for a title, but it is another to beat the man they build Raw around (i.e. Cena). By beating Cena, Swagger would get massive credibility.

2) John Cena v Jack Swagger would be a fresh feud, and has never been done before. It gives a new guy to freshen up a stale main-event picture.

3) Cena is a face. So a Swagger-Cena feud makes sense. Whereas, how can they have Jericho feud with Swagger? Both are heels, and I am sick of them turning guys face (like they have with Edge and Randy Orton in recent months). Unless it is Triple-Threat, and he feuds with both Edge and Jericho. Besides, Edge and Jericho is a new feud, and they still could have fought for the next couple of months, without a third party being involved.

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

This is exactly why I don't like this idea, and one of the major reasons why I didn't like how CM Punk cashed in his belt 2 years ago.

In the WWE universe, what exactly was the point for Edge, (or Jericho in this case) to appear on Raw? For the writer's sake, it was to lose the belts of course, but why would they - in their minds - be on Raw? It just doesn't make any sense and basically treats the fans as complete idiots. We're supposed to be believe that the Smackdown WHC just randomly appears on Raw, and his only purpose is to cut a promo where he brags for a few minutes, then leaves? What exactly would be accomplished by doing that?

And then, when the MITB winner appears, we're supposed to be in complete shock? Well no shit, there was no purpose for the WHC to be on Raw in the first place, other than to lose the belt.

What are you talking about? Jericho wasn't on RAW last week. Swagger cashed it in on Smackdown which I think was best. He was going nowhere on RAW and even if he cashed it in on Cena, I honestly think he would have lost the championship very quickly with Cena, HHH, Orton, and Sheamus hanging around. The WHC is usually the championship where MITB is cashed in the most and since the WWE is considered the top title in the business, they would want it to stay on RAW so that is why Swagger cashed it in on Smackdown. Also, I don't know how legit Jericho's injury is so that had to factor into it.

 

[DirtyJosé]

2. They focused a big portion of the show to Swagger being the new champion and it wasn't lost in a shuffle of everything that happens on RAW.

DING DING DING DING! WE HAVE A WINNER!

On a typical Raw, this would have been lost between the guest host segments. On Smackdown it got the time to develop throughout the show. His backstage gloating and his address were necessary to dial in the heel heat (since he drew a mixed reaction at the beginning of the show). He would have never had that time on Raw. Especially this last week, what with the HBK speech and all.

I don't know about the rest of these forums, but I went out of my way to catch Smackdown yesterday knowing damn well what was going to happen.

 

[Sasori]

To be honest, Smackdown I think was a better stage. I don't think Swagger would have faired as well on RAW were guys like Cena and Batista roam. On Smackdown he can dominate with his height and weight advantages over Edge and Jericho, and really get a good grappling match out of Jericho.

Plus RAW has enough young stars growing at the moment such as Sheamus, Kofi Kingston, Ted Dibiase, etc. Not to mention all the stars that are already there. So Smackdown is a pretty sound safe choice for Swagger.

 

[ApexPredator767]

I believe Swagger will not fit much in the Cena-Batista feud. Both stars are way up in terms of popularity and it will make him look very underrated if he is thrown into the mix. On the other hand, him becoming WWE champion isn't much of a bad idea as he needs the push since ECW and him becoming champion could be the way. However now isn't the time due to the two power houses fighting over the championship.

I think that him cashing in at SD! was to create another heel for the brand since SD has lots of faces. But who knows, it might also make him a better superstar if he feuds with Y2J and Edge for the WHC.

 

[DaBadGuy]

To be honest, Smackdown I think was a better stage. I don't think Swagger would have faired as well on RAW were guys like Cena and Batista roam. On Smackdown he can dominate with his height and weight advantages over Edge and Jericho, and really get a good grappling match out of Jericho.

Plus RAW has enough young stars growing at the moment such as Sheamus, Kofi Kingston, Ted Dibiase, etc. Not to mention all the stars that are already there. So Smackdown is a pretty sound safe choice for Swagger.

I agree with what your saying but the thing is I said nothing about Swagger cashing MITB in on Cena at all. I was saying do you think he should have cashed MITB in on Jericho on Raw instead of Smackdown.

 

[lmoney33]

If Swagger taking Cena's belt from his is out of the question THEN...I would say no they played it off perfectly on smackdown. I agree with what the other people have said that doing it on smackdown they were able to evolve the whole 2 hour show around Swagger "taking" the title from Jericho. I am a little disappointed because I still wanted to see a little more from the feud of Jericho VS Edge and I would have rather seen Swagger taking the title from Cena instead.
I really hope they have a three-way match of Edge VS Jericho VS Swagger at Extreme Rules. It would be great experience for Swagger in the ring and also allow him to show off his skills against the two best on swagger at the same time.

 

[Dagger Dias]

I'm not saying he should have cashed his MITB on Cena

Good lol.... Not gonna lie, as soon as I saw this thread's title, "I bet they think Swagger should have cashed in on Cena!" is the thought that crossed my mind. Glad you agree that WWE made the right choice by having Swagger cash in on Jericho.

It could have been against Jericho like it was on Smackdown and could have happened the exact same way. Jericho comes on Raw like for no reason at all just to run his mouth the next thing you know "You think you know me" Edge music play and he comes out and spears Jericho. And when Edge starts going up the ramp Swagger hits with the briefcase and cashes MITB in on Jericho to win the belt. Now many may say why do I think WWE should have allowed Swagger to do it on Raw instead of Smackdown well I say this for a couple of reasons.

Right.... but I think it was better to do it on Smackdown like they did because that episode of Smackdown was centered around Swagger while he was still technically on the Raw roster. On Raw he would not have gotten as much time devoted to his title win or his promos as the new champion.

1. Spoilers: After we heard that Swagger won the title it was almost pretty pointless to even watch Smackdown because we all knew he won the damn belt. Of course the only ones who don't know are the casual fans but pretty much everyone on this site and on many other sites knew about Swagger winning the title before it even aired on T.V which really spoiled the surprise.

2. Raw is live: It would have been much better if it was done on Raw because its live no spoilers or nothing. Remember when CM Punk cashed MITB in on Edge in 2008 remember how exciting it was because it was live and people actually changed their stations to see if it was true. It might have just been me but still I changed my station to see if he had actually won the title.

These two parts I agree with. What made Punk's first cash-in so good was that it was such a shocking moment. The spoilers ruined Swagger's for me because it wasn't as big of a surprise when I already knew about it, although I still marked out for it when I watched it on tv! Normally I avoid reading Smackdown spoilers, but I just could not resist the article that spoiled it for me that time. Having him cash in on Jericho at Raw would have eliminated the spoilers and made this more of a surprise.

3. Unpredictable: If Smackdown was live it would have been unpredictable because I would pretty much just expect Swagger to cash it in on Cena. But imagine if it was on Raw both champions are their and Swagger's on Raw and he's heel so we wouldn't expect him to cash it in on Jericho.

Sure, the spoilers online ruined it for some people.... but that's a small price to pay for getting the Smackdown episode centered around Swagger's title win. He was the most important character that night by far. On Raw his title win would still have been behind all the current main eventers in terms of importance.

4. Their going against TNA iMpact: I know many probably say their blowing Impact out of the water when it comes to ratings and its true. However that still doesn't mean you can't get TNA fans to change the station from SpikeTV to USA for just a couple of minutes to see Swagger as the champ.

Most people were probably watching Raw anyway.

So these are pretty much the reasons I felt it would have been better to let Swagger win the title on Raw instead of Smackdown. If you agree comment if you don't agree comment.

While you made some good arguments in your post, I still disagree for the reasons that I have already stated. Swagger got an episode of Smackdown built around his title win. This was better than doing it on Raw because he would have lost time for his promos to the current main eventers that always get promo time.

 

[J.Carter]

Hell no. Because Cena would have buried him and i want Cena to have a really good long title reign like he did in 2006. He already has 9 titles under his belt i don't want him to make it to like 30 before he retires. I just hope Edge doesn't get the title agin for a while i mean the dude has had shitty 9 title reigns.

 

[Mr. Dejan]

If Swagger cashed it in on Raw he would have maybe a reign of a a couple of weeks Possibly even a month. But On Smackdown! Swagger doesn't just sink into the Mid card like he did on Raw.

I do see him being a Dominant champion because he has the Look, He Has The Ability. His Mic work has improved greatly as well, Often I completely forget about the lisp when he's cutting promos. Now that he's the World Heavyweight Champion I do expect him to learn more and become a Better Performer all round.

 

[Spunky]

I incredibly pleased that Swagger did cash it in on Smackdown, The show sure as hell wouldn't have been centered around him if he had beaten Cena. As Batista vs Cena is the shows main focus, And behind that is Triple H and Sheamus. It would have been just like when CM Punk cashed in on Edge. He would be second fiddle, No matter who he may have faced.

The SmackDown stage is more suited to Swagger anyway, He's more likely to have a better match with people wrestling similar to his own technical/power style with wrestlers such as Edge, Jericho, Morrison, Punk, And Rey. Let's face it Jack would never be on the winning ending end of a power match with most of the upper, And main event card on RAW.

The only thing that pissed me off with the whole angle is when Jack absolutely battered Cena with the briefcase, And then for Cena to just brush it off 5 seconds later.

 

[DaBadGuy]

Good lol.... Not gonna lie, as soon as I saw this thread's title, "I bet they think Swagger should have cashed in on Cena!" is the thought that crossed my mind. Glad you agree that WWE made the right choice by having Swagger cash in on Jericho.



Right.... but I think it was better to do it on Smackdown like they did because that episode of Smackdown was centered around Swagger while he was still technically on the Raw roster. On Raw he would not have gotten as much time devoted to his title win or his promos as the new champion.



These two parts I agree with. What made Punk's first cash-in so good was that it was such a shocking moment. The spoilers ruined Swagger's for me because it wasn't as big of a surprise when I already knew about it, although I still marked out for it when I watched it on tv! Normally I avoid reading Smackdown spoilers, but I just could not resist the article that spoiled it for me that time. Having him cash in on Jericho at Raw would have eliminated the spoilers and made this more of a surprise.



Sure, the spoilers online ruined it for some people.... but that's a small price to pay for getting the Smackdown episode centered around Swagger's title win. He was the most important character that night by far. On Raw his title win would still have been behind all the current main eventers in terms of importance.



Most people were probably watching Raw anyway.



While you made some good arguments in your post, I still disagree for the reasons that I have already stated. Swagger got an episode of Smackdown built around his title win. This was better than doing it on Raw because he would have lost time for his promos to the current main eventers that always get promo time.

Well to be honest I really wouldn't have cared who Swagger would have cashed it in on it could have been Cena or Jericho. The point I was making is that I felt it should have been on Raw instead of Smackdown, but after reading yours and others opinions I think WWE did the right thing by letting it be on Smackdown. If it was on Raw it wouldn't have been as big of a deal for a number of reasons like you and the others said on Smackdown it is. However I still think the spoliers killed his moment of winning the title.