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Sexual Racism

You see it your way, I see it mine. I'm confident anyone intelligent who reads the thread will know what's what. Regardless you're still an ignorant bigot, so don't be too proud of yourself.

Clearly, since it took Sly 2.5 seconds to take my side. It seems to be only idiots on your side.

Please, lay out for me how im an ignorant bigot? Because I have preferences in what i find attractive in a girl?
 
Clearly, since it took Sly 2.5 seconds to take my side. It seems to be only idiots on your side.

Please, lay out for me how im an ignorant bigot? Because I have preferences in what i find attractive in a girl?

Slyfox's approval isn't the litmus test for a good argument - sorry, but let's discuss why you're an ignorant bigot.

their culture encourages them to have massive, egotistical, loud, ignorant, superficial personalities.

Here you are talking about black women and how their culture encourages all those qualities. This is you being ignorant because you are in no position to judge black women as a whole. You're 'qualifications' of helping to raise black children does not make you an expert.

You're also judging and summarizing an entire races cultural effect, you're completely intolerant of their culture, that's the entire theme of your posts in this thread: that's you being a bigot.

As far as the dark skin and pancake titties, well, I have yet to see a black person without dark skin, and every pair of black girl tits that I have seen suffers from this condition. Which leads me to believe its a genetics thing.

Pancake titties - nice term. You think the shape of black women's breasts are genetic (you really don't know what the fuck you're talking about, your knowledge on a black persons genetics is likely zero; ignorance) and you're demeaning them for it (bigot).

The important thing here is that you think it's genetic. Let's run with that:

How is pancake titties a racist statement?

Good question. You're demeaning a race because of what you believe to be a genetic trait.

Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination

Sounds like a racist statement. Black women in your opinion have, genetically, different shaped breasts. You're making fun of that. It's like if I made fun of a Chinese person's eyes - that's racism.

At no point, anywere in this conversation, did I say it is in all black girls in America. At no point. anywere. A very large high percentage of them, yes. Not all. Never said that. As much as you want me to have said it, I simply never did.

Ignorance - once again you really don't know what the hell you're talking about. A very large percentage of all black girls in America? You're in no position to judge that in any way.

Once again, many, many times have I born witness. All of them? no. Enough of them that im not going to wait til im dog fucking one to pull thier hair and have it come off their head into my hand? Yes, fuuuuck yes.

Reeks of intolerance - all this insensitive shit you say is you being a bigot.

Please, lay out for me how im an ignorant bigot? Because I have preferences in what i find attractive in a girl?

Your preferences don't make you ignorant and a bigot, your insensitive, uninformed, racial statements make you that.
 
Here you are talking about black women and how their culture encourages all those qualities. This is you being ignorant because you are in no position to judge black women as a whole. You're 'qualifications' of helping to raise black children does not make you an expert.

You're also judging and summarizing an entire races cultural effect, you're completely intolerant of their culture, that's the entire theme of your posts in this thread: that's you being a bigot.



Pancake titties - nice term. You think the shape of black women's breasts are genetic (you really don't know what the fuck you're talking about, your knowledge on a black persons genetics is likely zero; ignorance) and you're demeaning them for it (bigot).

The important thing here is that you think it's genetic. Let's run with that:



Good question. You're demeaning a race because of what you believe to be a genetic trait.



Sounds like a racist statement. Black women in your opinion have, genetically, different shaped breasts. You're making fun of that. It's like if I made fun of a Chinese person's eyes - that's racism.



Ignorance - once again you really don't know what the hell you're talking about. A very large percentage of all black girls in America? You're in no position to judge that in any way.



Reeks of intolerance - all this insensitive shit you say is you being a bigot.



Your preferences don't make you ignorant and a bigot, your insensitive, uninformed, racial statements make you that.

I make insensitive remarks because im not a sensitive person. Duh. I wasnt making fun of anyones tits, or eyes, I am saying I dont like the way they look. All asian people you have seen have those eyes yea? So then safe to say its possibly a genetic disposition, yea? well if a high enough percentage of black girls tits look like that, its a logical thing to assume it might be a genetic trend. Not so sure its demeaning. I, personally, dont like how they look.

How am I in no way in a position to judge that? what, exactly, besides a lifetime of living within such culture, and all over the USA, and having 110% of the black girls I have met act that way to some extent, qualify me to be in a position to judge that? How many people besides the three of you, the fucking goof troop pussy brigade, hasnt agreed with me that "yea, thats generally the culture, and i havent met one who doesnt act like that either"...Id say that is pretty fucking informed. 25 years, a 100% rate, all over the country. Why do you guys just keep using the small excerpt of me helping with the kids, and acting like thats all I have experienced, when I have mentioned repeatedly living in the environment and culture my entire life, all over America.

i dont even know why im providing evidence to support it, when you damn fucking well know its true, and know you are acting like a dullard just obe a pain in the fucking ass. Turn on MTV or BET, and say its not the encouraged culture.

and yes, I am entirely fucking intolerant of every nasty little trait and personality tick that I mentioned. Entirely intolerant of them. Thats why i wouldnt tolerate someone I dated acting like that.
 
and yes, I am entirely fucking intolerant of every nasty little trait and personality tick that I mentioned. Entirely intolerant of them. Thats why i wouldnt tolerate someone I dated acting like that.

You're insensitive, and in my opinion, an ignorant idiot. I can't prove your an idiot, although based on everything you've said I'm pretty confident that it's true.

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices, especially one exhibiting intolerance, and animosity toward those of differing beliefs.

You're like the fucking poster boy of being a bigot, and you self-admitted it, which lends more credence to my belief that you're an idiot. Congratulations.
 
You're insensitive, and in my opinion, an ignorant idiot. I can't prove your an idiot, although based on everything you've said I'm pretty confident that it's true.



You're like the fucking poster boy of being a bigot, and you self-admitted it, which lends more credence to my belief that you're an idiot. Congratulations.

Im a bigot against loud mouthed idiotic superficial *****? Uh, well alright then, have it your way. Sure :lmao:

Best of luck to you living your life in your mother's pussy. Im sure the insulation is nice in these here winter months.
 

By challenging me to prove that you're a bigot, and then unintentionally admitting it right after that, it makes me think you actually didn't know what a bigot was, which is decent proof for your ignorance - so this has actually come full circle.

You can have the last retort in which you stupidly embrace your idiocy whilst simultaneously slinging generic insults because you don't have anything worthwhile to say to me.

Have at it! :)
 
By challenging me to prove that you're a bigot, and then unintentionally admitting it right after that, it makes me think you actually didn't know what a bigot was, which is decent proof for your ignorance - so this has actually come full circle.

You can have the last retort in which you stupidly embrace your idiocy whilst simultaneously slinging generic insults because you don't have anything worthwhile to say to me.

Have at it! :)

I guess im an idiot bigot for not being tolerant of people who act like what I meantioned in all these posts. Whatever, man.

Now ill be going back to fucking perfect, white, blonde anglo-saxon protestant women. good day sir.


Bottom line here folks. Its ok to have preferences. If a race or a culture doesnt fit into those preferences, its alright. You like what you like, and cant force yourself to find things attractive that you just simply dont find attractive. Doesnt make you racist, or bad, its perfectly fine to have preferences.
 
You know who my least favorite female wrestler of all time is? Jackie Moore. Do you know why she's my least favorite female wrestler of all time? It's a combination of I find her face to be fairly ugly, I find her voice to be REALLY annoying because her opinion on life seems to be if I'm louder than you, then I'm right. I also find her annoying because she can't seem to speak coherent English. The fact that she's black has very little to do with it. I find people like her very annoying and not attractive in the least.

That being said, most hip hop songs that I've heard do the same thing. They butcher the English language, talk about being in a club all night, spray champagne everywhere, and basically act like what I would call an idiot. Most of them are black. I don't find black people annoying in general. I find black people that do things that annoy me to be annoying. Are you usually attracted to people that you want to grab by the throat and smack upside the head and tell to pull your freaking pants up and learn some grammar? I'm usually not.

Are all black people like that? Not in the slightest. Good friend of mine in high school: I literally couldn't hear him on the bus because he was so quiet. Polite, kind, funny, loved being around him. He was black. I wasn't exactly attracted to him but you get the idea. In short, much like Norcal, the majority of people that I've seen, as in all the evidence that I have, that fall into these categories follow the same tendencies. Am I saying that's the universal case? No, but it's the most common one and they annoy me, making them unattractive to me, the same way annoying white, blue, orange, yellow or green skinned people do.
 
This whole thing is fucking ridiculous. So if I state that I am not attracted to men and I don't have sex with men, Does that make me homophobic?

Norcal isn't in here saying that he doesn't fuck black chicks because they're stupid or because they have AIDS or any other racist shit. He likes fair skinned girls with long hair, traits that almost universally don't apply to black girls. How is that any different than saying you don't like men because they have penises? It's not stereotypes, it's fucking science.
 
It is a bit strange, but it is what it is. Many people won't date a particular person because of their religion either. It isn't really wrong or right, it's just what they prefer.

As for it being considered racist, I think it's just another case of political correctness. I'm not attracted to women who are overweight. Does that mean I'm discriminating? I'm simply not attracted to that type of women, and honestly it is no different for races. The only difference is that people seem to get all defensive and shit when we aren't being overly cautious about how we refer to people of a different race.

Besides, in all reality who the fuck cares. If that's not what you want or if your not what someone else wants, than move along to someone else. Not wanting to date a particular type of person isn't going to ruin their quality of life or anything like that.

I just thought it would make an interesting topic and I just wanted to understand it a bit better (which I kinda do now).



As for the subject of Norcal being racist, my white friend said something similar recently, I thought it was a bit strange, but he surely can't be racist if he hangs around me (who's part black) and several other black people.

I guess at the most basic level Norcal just doesn't dig what the majority of black chicks have. Its the same reason I wouldn't want to go out with a Geordie Shore (Jersey Shore) chick, they all seem to be dumbasses and they'd piss me off.
 
OK, lets end this now. Two nights ago I fucked a black woman. She reads Naruto comics, listens to classical music & can't stand BET.

Man, I wish you weren't banned so you could answer this question, but I'm going to ask anyway...

How many black girlfriends does she have? I'm willing to bet not many, because I'm sure they annoy the shit out of her just like they do Norcal. Your girlfriend wouldn't be into fucking mangas and classical music and still hang out with hoodrats. I'm positive of it.

The fact of the matter is, Norcal isn't too off base. The boobs thing, he is definitely wrong on. I've seen black girls with great, firm tits. The problem is so many black women get impregnated so young (multiple times, even) that it ruins their figure, and of course hardly any of them breast feed, so their boobs remain with the oversized nipples.

Personally, I like black women. They're much easier to get than other races, especially as a white male since most black women I've met in their mid-to-late twenties and higher absolutely despise black men. And most black men I know despise black women, too.

That said, while I would never hesitate to sleep with an attractive black woman, I would never seriously date or marry one. Norcal's other descriptions are spot on. Not only do you most likely get the attitude plus short hair (something which I hate), you then have to deal with her family, and your family has to deal with her. It just wouldn't be a fun situation, unless of course she has the long hair and likeable personality (ala she acts like a nerdy white girl rather than ghetto trash), but you won't find many. And those you think you find, once you get them mad about something, their true colors come out.

Also, like Norcal, let me just state I'm not some white dude talking out of his ass. I'm from Baton Rouge... I was raised in a black neighborhood and went to schools where the majority of people there were black, so I have many experiences myself with black women, and I'm sorry, call it racist all you want, but the fact of the matter is, besides his titties comment, Norcal is fair in his assessments. Even Little Jerry Lawler, a black man from Mississippi, agrees. With the exception of my bosses, all my co-workers are black, and everyday I hear nothing but bitching about black women.

I think the people here attacking Norcal have had little experience with black women themselves. I don't care if you date one now and that she's an exception the norm (seriously, good for you man; I sincerely hope it works out); that doesn't actually mean you've dealt with a lot of black women. And if you say you have and that most are like your girlfriend, then you're 100% full of fucking shit.
 
Physically, I'd say I'm fairly attracted to black chicks, but not as much as other sorts of girls. Like, for example, I could get into a white girl who was of middling attractiveness (a 5 or a 6, let's say) but a black girl of the same objective attractiveness would probably be nothing doing for me. I don't really have strongly held opinions about the things I like, I can just say, from experience, that I'm usually attracted to fewer black chicks than I am white chicks. Really dark skin is probably the only thing I could objectively call a turn off. The rest is a case by case thing, but it usually leads to me being less attracted to black girls.

The whole culture argument makes me a little uncomfortable. I don't really believe in judging people by a culture, perceived or real. I get what's on MTV and BET and that it certainly does encourage certain kinds of behavior in a lot of people. And I understand not wanting to deal with a certain personality type that appears prevalent in a certain group of people. I've met a lot of black girls who fall into a certain stereotypical personality type. I am not interested in dating those girls. But this hasn't led me to universally dismissing black girls as an option because I expect every black girl to share that same personality because of a "culture". I just believe in giving everyone a fair shake without any preconceived notions about what they'll be like.

However, I will say this. Universally dismissing a certain group of people as one that you might want to date does not make you a racist. Well, perhaps it makes you a racist, but it doesn't make you a bad racist, if that makes any sense. We're talking about a very personal aspect of your life here. Now, look, I want to believe in a world where people of all colors and creeds come together and drink from the river of prosperity, and so forth, but I get that we live in a real world. There's a difference between not wanting to date with a certain group of people and not tolerating them. So, let's have an example. If you're an employer, say, and you deny someone a job based on race, then that is completely unacceptable (in the vast majority of cases, anyway). But if that same person doesn't want to go on a date with a black girl, for whatever reason, that's cool. You don't have an obligation to make love to all races. It's your dick. Put in what you want it in. In short, not wanting to date a certain race doesn't make you a "racist" in the way we like to bandy the word about, i.e., it doesn't make you a hatemonger who wants to cleanse the world of the impure. There are certain things that are your decision, and you have the right to make whichever decision you want. Dating is one of them.
 
That being said, most hip hop songs that I've heard do the same thing. They butcher the English language, talk about being in a club all night, spray champagne everywhere, and basically act like what I would call an idiot.

Not to start a fight with anyone, but do Americans have the right to talk about butchering the English language? We created our own dictionary on how we want to spell an English word as opposed to how it's actually spelt, and like Americans, we use our made dictionary as a correcting agent.


Anyway, back to the original topic... I'm a black guy and when it comes to dating, I tend to stay with dating Asian or Latina women. It's not a racial issue at all, it's a preference that I have. I don't believe in racial profiling, but at the same time, I don't find myself attracted to "White or Black" women. That's not saying that I don't like them as people... because there are a lot of people I hang out with from all races.

From the way that you're putting it, it sounds as if the girl you're looking to go out with just doesn't want to date you because you're out of her comfort zone, or her preference. There's nothing wrong with that... some people just prefer to stick with what they know.
 
I'm sorry, when did it become wrong to not be attracted to a certain group of people, and express one's opinion regarding it?

I believe somewhere in this thread that Norcal said he's been with black women, in fact. So his experience with them lends itself to more then just observations, frendships, BET, or even living with black people. He's also had intimate sexual contact with them. And because of all these reasons, he finds himself unattracted to them, and he's a racist? I believe he also said that he's not attracted to anyone who behaves like what he describes, so how is that discrimination, or stereotyping in any way? It's not, and for someone to think otherwise is looking for a reason to find fault.

I look at it this way: All of us have inherent things as to whom and what we're attracted to. For the most part, I believe it's part of our DNA. We can't just flip a switch because people tell us to and suddenly become attracted to someone we're not just because not doing so appears "racist" to some. For example, there was a girl whom I went to graduate school who was a good friend of mine. I'll withhold her race here, but suffice to say, I wasn't attracted to her, or her skin type in general. We'ld often go for drinks, usually getting drunk, which was the only time I'd hook up with her. Eventually she caught on, and confronted me about it. Instead of cowering behind some politically correct B.S., I told her the truth. In my then 23 years of life, now 29, I have never found myself attracted to someone of her skin tone. Did it make me a pig that I had to force myself to get drunk to sleep with her? Absolutely. Did it make me a racist? Heck no. I like what I like, know what I like, and no one can convince me otherwise.

Finally, I want to touch on my wife here. How do you think she became the one for me? By a defined set of characteristics I was looking for. I didn't have a little checklist I made marks on to ensure she fit the criteria I was looking for, but I knew what I wanted. Part of that certainly had to do with skin color, part personality, part attractiveness, and part weight. I like light-skinned, blonde-haired women. I've never been attracted to Asians or African Americans, for what it's worth. I like women who exude confidence, but aren't loud or draw unwarranted attention to themselves in doing so. It's hard for me to explain how I define attractiveness, but those whom have seen pictures of my wife can make the inference. Finally, I like thin women, generally those 125 lbs and under. That's just my personal preference.

So here I have part of the defined set of characteristics I looked for, and found. Does that make me racist, or discriminatory? If so, I'm happy to own it, because I got exactly what I was looking for in doing so. ;)

http://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/130/9e6d05538ba04561a8d0cf6f76e50849/l.jpg
 
The fuck happened here? Anyways, if you don't like black women, just say you don't, but try to avoid generalizations, & it's all good.

I prefer latina women anyway.
 
Holy hell this thread blew up overnight!!!!

As I said in my first post, I don't care about the color, as long as our personalities mesh. In that, while their color is not any sort of deal breaker, their attitude definitely would be. In that, I can TOTALLY understand where NorCal is coming from. If the only black women he sees are those in your face "oh no you didn't/mmhmm grrrrrl/finger shaking/I am auditioning for Jerry Springer" type, I wouldn't want to date one either. I wouldn't date a white woman who acted like that either. I wouldn't date ANY woman who acted like that.

If I were interested in a black woman I knew, I can almost guarantee that she acted pretty much the opposite of that. If she didn't, I wouldn't be interested. The couple of black women I have dated didn't have the "angry black woman" thing going on. Both of them acted like ladies, not like divas, because they had been raised that way, in a middle class neighborhood. Despite the difference in skin color, we had other things that we could relate to each other on. Essentially, we had similar core values and attitudes about life in general. And like jmt225 alluded to, they both had more white friends than black friends. They hated the black stereotype too. In fact, one refused to watch BET, she was much happier watching VH1 Classic Rock, because she grew up listening to the Eagles, Led Zepplin and Van Halen. If we are going to use the stereotypes as a guide, both of them acted far more "white" than they acted "black". Other than the difference in skin color, they acted very much like the white girls I went to school with.

Attitude, not skin color, is the real deal breaker for me.
 
This thread is a disgrace. I definitely think Norcal, and others, took a sentiment that might not be that bad/wrong in their mind but expressed it in a way that showed it was as bad as some accused them off. There is an obvious difference between there is some truth in stereotypes and stereotypes are the truth. I don't really see anything wrong with saying I am usually not attracted to a certain look but there was some stuff that was way across the line IMO.
 
I just came across this thread and read every single post. Took a while but for the OP's question- I believe it all comes down to personal preference plain and simple. It sucks, I know. I had an experience like this when I was younger. A girl I liked wasn't attracted to me because I'm white. She has only dated black men and I believe is still continuing to date a black man. So yeah it's all about what you like and what you are attracted to. Physically I find myself to be mostly attracted to tall, white, black haired, skinny women. Mentally I look for someone with an offbeat/very weird/vulgar sense of humor (like hey look at this fetus picture), a real passion for their beliefs, and someone who fits into a specific underground scene whether it be punk rock, hardcore, rockabilly/pin-up. I will admit that culture and upbringing has a lot to do with it as well (in my case).
 
Stereotypes are based off something and not nothing, yes, but the entire definition of a stereotype is that they're inaccurate and simplify an entire group of people.

Black girls are loud and ignorant with pancake titties - that's simply not accurate and is a simplified assessment, it's a stereotype, and hence you're not actually open-minded about black girls at all, which was Shamar James' point.

Are some black girls loud, ignorant, and the owner of pancake titties? Yes. Are they more so than the average non-black girl? I don't know, but even if the answer was yes, it's not a vast, vast epidemic that's inherited by every black girl, so to say it's 98% is just false and not even remotely close to being true.

Also, your evidence that you use to show that you 'know' Black people, that you were around a black family and their guests for several years is incredibly fallacious.

Lol. Defending a point when it comes to somebody elses beliefs is a waste of fucking breathe... but entertaining. Thank you for the laughs, sir.
 
I don't think this is really "sexual racism", more sexual preference. Just because you're not attracted to black skin doesn't mean you're a racist. Same as if you aren't attracted to a girl with dark hair, or with one arm. It doesn't mean your a racist, it just means you're not attracted to them, and possibly vice-versa. I was too lazy to look at this whole thread, so I don't know where that debate went exactly with Norcal, but he's got a point- stereotypes exist for a reason. Some are rather accurate. For the more accurate ones, if someone tries to disprove it, I bet I could point out more people that confirm it than break it.

I, for one, probably would never date a black girl. It's not a racism thing. Just not attracted to them physically. That's all there is to it. Not saying that some aren't attractive in general. For example, we could all agree that, let's say, Tyra Banks is attractive, even myself. However, that doesn't mean I'd want to date an attractive black girl, because there's a disconnect there for me- I don't personally find them attractive enough to date. Objectively, yes, they can be attractive. But when it comes to dating, I don't think I'd ever be attracted to a black girl enough. As for where the stereotype comes in- yes, there are plenty of black girls that are "loud" that fit those classic molds. There just are, plain and simple. Those people I cannot stand. Their personalities are immediate turn-offs. And that doesn't just go for black people, obviously, but that's who I'm addressing with this post primarily.

So, "loud" black girls? I'd never be attracted to them both physically and personality-wise. Other black girls? I'm just not physically attracted to them. I can appreciate that some are beautiful, but just not my thing. No racism involved, just no attraction there.
 
I don't think this is really "sexual racism", more sexual preference. Just because you're not attracted to black skin doesn't mean you're a racist. Same as if you aren't attracted to a girl with dark hair, or with one arm. It doesn't mean your a racist, it just means you're not attracted to them, and possibly vice-versa. I was too lazy to look at this whole thread, so I don't know where that debate went exactly with Norcal, but he's got a point- stereotypes exist for a reason. Some are rather accurate. For the more accurate ones, if someone tries to disprove it, I bet I could point out more people that confirm it than break it.

I, for one, probably would never date a black girl. It's not a racism thing. Just not attracted to them physically. That's all there is to it. Not saying that some aren't attractive in general. For example, we could all agree that, let's say, Tyra Banks is attractive, even myself. However, that doesn't mean I'd want to date an attractive black girl, because there's a disconnect there for me- I don't personally find them attractive enough to date. Objectively, yes, they can be attractive. But when it comes to dating, I don't think I'd ever be attracted to a black girl enough. As for where the stereotype comes in- yes, there are plenty of black girls that are "loud" that fit those classic molds. There just are, plain and simple. Those people I cannot stand. Their personalities are immediate turn-offs. And that doesn't just go for black people, obviously, but that's who I'm addressing with this post primarily.

So, "loud" black girls? I'd never be attracted to them both physically and personality-wise. Other black girls? I'm just not physically attracted to them. I can appreciate that some are beautiful, but just not my thing. No racism involved, just no attraction there.

There's some inconsistency is what you're saying. You're saying you're not attracted to black women, that's why you probably wouldn't date them. Then you say that there are, of course, some attractive black women, however you still wouldn't want to date an attractive black woman (?).

So is that because you think even though you may find a black girl physically attractive, she could never meet the level of physical attractiveness you require in order to enter a relationship? Or is it because no matter how attractive a black woman is, you're just not interested in black women?
 
I remember getting a ton of good and bad rep from this thread. My point still stands, though I do think you should just give it a rest Salv. Is there really a point in trying to sway the opinions of people you will never meet in real on a hypothetical situation?
 
I remember getting a ton of good and bad rep from this thread. My point still stands, though I do think you should just give it a rest Salv. Is there really a point in trying to sway the opinions of people you will never meet in real on a hypothetical situation?

I appreciate the advice, and I'm not looking to restart this topic, but it was bumped, and someone did post something interesting, so I responded. Besides, my post is only asking for clarification, I think it's harmless.
 
I'm saying that attractive black girls obviously exist. It'd be ridiculous to say otherwise. I acknowledge it if someone feels that way. I can see what they're saying, as my Tyra Banks example pointed out. However, it's just not what I'm personally attracted to, that's all. It's all a matter of preference. As I was saying, it's not that I have any racism in me when it comes to this, it's just that I'm not personally attracted to black girls. Racism doesn't come into play. I have plenty of black friends. I just don't find black girls by and large to attract me to be in a relationship with.
 
My god, reading this thread was awesome. I had to go back to the first page to remember what the actual question was. Anywho.....

I've never been in the exact position you are in but my wife is half white/one quarter black/one quarter native american, I think, if I'm doing all the contributions correctly in my head. Anyways, I moved across the country to meet her family and they were furious that she was with a white male. Just as they were furious that her mom had married a white male twenty years ago. To them, I am a nice guy. A guy who despite not knowing any of them helped them with yard work, went grocery shopping for them, drove them places, cleaned their house and more just trying to show them that I love their daughter/granddaughter/niece/what have you.

But also in their minds was one thing that they wouldn't say. I wasn't native american and to the grandmother (the patriarch of the family) that meant that I was going to...........I can't even tell you because I don't fully understand. I mean, she was already down to being a quarter native american and on top of that she embraces it and goes to pow-wows and believes in their deep beliefs about the earth and animals and everything so it's not like I was going to drive her away for her ancestry or pollute some sort of golden DNA.

So in this family it existed because I was not "one of them". I was an outsider who knew nothing of native american ways and obviously could never be taught or learn these ways. So, there's my story for what it's worth.
 

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