Sexual Racism

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

I didnt say they were the only ones with attitudes. I said those attitudes are encouraged and perpetuated by the predominant culture they develop in.

Once again, lets just infer what I mean, because its easier to to assume im some bigot racist.

Don't put words in my mouth, once again im probably the only person against you has at least tried to state my opinion in the nicest manner possible while also arguing against you. You did however say that because of their attitude,and while they may grow up around things that might influence them to act in a certain way that you might not like, I can say the same thing about white females, not that im against dating them at all.

 

[SalvIsWin]

I wish to remind people this is not a Bar Room thread, it is the Potluck forum. Avoid Spamming unless you wish to receiving an Infraction. You must take a position AND defend it.

Oh, and on a more personal note, I understand exactly what Norcal's saying, and he's pretty much dead on.

I would love to see you defend Norcal's position if you think he's dead on. You're telling us to defend our position yet you're not defending your own.

Its deductive reasoning since there is so much hyper sensitivity, its what you WANTED me to mean so you run all about talking about what a racist bigot I am. Despite me mentioning earlier I went to great lengths to care for three black children for years. Fuck me, re-organize the P.Stone Rangers and come get that man!!

It's deductive reasoning because it's deductive reasoning, you can criticize it but it's perfectly logical. Example: If you say, I hate every candy bar with a red wrapper. And I notice that Kit-Kat has a red wrapper, it would be using deductive logic to say that you hate Kit-Kat - criticizing it doesn't change it's truth. Also, Caring for black children has nothing to do with saying statements that collectively fulfill the exact definition of racism.

Definition from wikipedia:

Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination.

Let's tackle the first part, inherent traits in human racial groups. We're talking about black people, so that's the racial group. What about the inherent traits?

its an inherent culture that develops over time that is negative, and encouraged.

There's the inherent trait, the black culture.

Now the second part, that this inherent culture justifies the discrimination. Well that's your entire argument, you're justifying your discrimination which is all throughout this thread by saying that blacks inherently have a negative culture.

In sum, this is what you're saying. I am discriminating against black people, and the basis for that discrimination is that they have an inherent culture that is negative and I don't like it.

That's racism by definition. You're a racist.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Don't put words in my mouth, once again im probably the only person against you has at least tried to state my opinion in the nicest manner possible while also arguing against you. You did however say that because of their attitude,and while they may grow up around things that might influence them to act in a certain way that you might not like, I can say the same thing about white females, not that im against dating them at all.

and if you said the same thing about white females and how they act, it would be perfectly understandable and respectable. Certain aspects of other cultures just simply do not mesh well with everyone. Its fine.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I would love to see you defend Norcal's position if you think he's dead on. You're telling us to defend our position yet you're not defending your own.



Caring for black children has nothing to do with saying statements that collectively fulfill the exact definition of racism.

Definition from wikipedia:



Let's tackle the first part, inherent traits in human racial groups. We're talking about black people, so that's the racial group. What about the inherent traits?



There's the inherent trait, the black culture.

Now the second part, that this inherent culture justifies the discrimination. Well that's your entire argument, you're justifying your discrimination which is all throughout this thread by saying that blacks inherently have a negative culture.

In sum, this is what you're saying. I am discriminating against black people, and the basis for that discrimination is that they have an inherent culture that is negative and I don't like it.

That's racism by definition. You're a racist.

I didnt say it was negative. I said I dont like it, and wouldnt date someone from it. Not racist.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

and if you said the same thing about white females and how they act, it would be perfectly understandable and respectable. Certain aspects of other cultures just simply do not mesh well with everyone. Its fine.

Honestly, I think this is just the perfect sendoff to end this argument. Well played Norcal,well played.

 

[SalvIsWin]

I didnt say it was negative. I said I dont like it, and wouldnt date someone from it. Not racist.

its an inherent culture that develops over time that is negative, and encouraged.

You did say negative, there's the quote - negative. It is racist, I clearly outlined the exact definition and how everything you've said perfectly fits the definition for racism. Denial doesn't change the fact.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

You did say negative, there's the quote - negative. It is racist, I clearly outlined the exact definition and how everything you've said perfectly fits the definition for racism. Denial doesn't change the fact.

it is negative that the culture encourages many aspects that objectify and demean them, and that it exists well before they do.

 

[SalvIsWin]

it is negative that the culture encourages many aspects that objectify and demean them, and that it exists well before they do.

First of all, the definition of racism doesn't require the racist to have a positive or negative view of the inherent racial trait, all that's important is that you believe there's an inherent racial trait that's the basis for discrimination.

So even if you hadn't said negative (which you did) it would still be racism, so this line of commentary does nothing to change the fact that what you said by was racist by definition. You think the black culture is inherent, and but that inherent culture you are discriminating against blacks - that is racism.

As to your actual comment, you have to elaborate on what you mean. It doesn't really matter how you think it's negative, it's not really important that you think their culture is negative because it encourages aspects that are degrading. It's still you thinking that the culture is inherent and negative - the reasons are superfluous. Nothing has changed the racist nature of the statements.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

First of all, the definition of racism doesn't require the racist to have a positive or negative view of the inherent racial trait, all that's important is that you believe there's an inherent racial trait that's the basis for discrimination.

So even if you hadn't said negative (which you did) it would still be racism, so this line of commentary does nothing to change the fact that what you said by was racist by definition. You think the black culture is inherent, and but that inherent culture you are discriminating against blacks - that is racism.

As to your actual comment, you have to elaborate on what you mean. It doesn't really matter how you think it's negative, it's not really important that you think their culture is negative because it encourages aspects that are degrading. It's still you thinking that the culture is inherent and negative - the reasons are superfluous. Nothing has changed the racist nature of the statements.

The culture is the culture, and I dont want to date someone from it. My fucking fuck, man. Shut the fuck up

That portion has little to do with race. As I have said, I wouldnt want someone out of the culture regardless of their color. It just so happens that its mostly black people, since it is the predominant culture of black people.

 

[CH David]

Really it's all about personal preference. NorCal doesn't like black girls because he isn't attracted to them and because of notions he has seen in the public eye along with personal experiences. Is he racist because of it? Nope. Negative parts of a culture that are encouraged on television are what he is talking about, and that is perfectly acceptable.

Most black girls don't do it for me. She either has to be a really hot black girl, or have an exceptional personality for me. But if there is unnecessary shit that goes down, or I get a stereotypical attitude, I'm done. Hell that goes for any woman of any race. Unnecessary shit that goes down, get the hell away from me.

By the way, this was discussed in the Bar before. Not wanting to date black women, or any particular race for that matter, isn't discrimination. They just do nothing for you. Add to that stereotypes that he has seen in person and it's just personal preference and not wanting to deal with something that he conceives as bullshit.

 

[SalvIsWin]

The culture is the culture, and I dont want to date someone from it. My fucking fuck, man. Shut the fuck up

That portion has little to do with race. As I have said, I wouldnt want someone out of the culture regardless of their color. It just so happens that its mostly black people, since it is the predominant culture of black people.

This is a link: http://forums.wrestlezone.com/showthread.php?t=201360&page=3

That link takes you to the third page of this thread. Why does it do that? Because there's a post at the bottom of the page where I quote the definition of racism and quite clearly show on what you have said clearly fulfills the definition of racism. At the very least you said something racist.

You seem like you're just a closet racist. You've said some things that would lead me to believe your racist, and then you just flat out said something that was by definition, racist. How you're still denying it is mind boggling.

Really it's all about personal preference. NorCal doesn't like black girls because he isn't attracted to them and because of notions he has seen in the public eye along with personal experiences. Is he racist because of it? Nope. Negative parts of a culture that are encouraged on television are what he is talking about, and that is perfectly acceptable.

Most black girls don't do it for me. She either has to be a really hot black girl, or have an exceptional personality for me. But if there is unnecessary shit that goes down, or I get a stereotypical attitude, I'm done. Hell that goes for any woman of any race. Unnecessary shit that goes down, get the hell away from me.

By the way, this was discussed in the Bar before. Not wanting to date black women, or any particular race for that matter, isn't discrimination. They just do nothing for you. Add to that stereotypes that he has seen in person and it's just personal preference and not wanting to deal with something that he conceives as bullshit.

Did you even read the thread? Asian girls don't generally do it for me, that's not racist. Not finding black women attractive doesn't make you racist, no one is suggesting that.

What's being said here is that saying that Black people have a culture that is inherent to them, and that inherent culture is the reason you're going to discriminate against black people - that's racist, it's racism by definition, how can you possibly argue against this?

Here's the definition again in case anyone missed it. What's the discussion about? How can it be argued any other way?

Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

What's being said here is that saying that Black people have a culture that is inherent to them, and that inherent culture is the reason you're going to discriminate against black people - that's racist, it's racism by definition, how can you possibly argue against this?

I dont hate black people though, at all. I just wouldnt date a black girl because I dont find them attractive, and if I did, because they have tons of attitude and drive me fucking crazy. Becuase that is what the culture in America encourages them to be like. Not the whole race, black girls in America. The culture is inherent becuase they are born into it, here, not the entire race, worlwide. I am around them all the time. They arent for me, on a relationship level. not racist.

The fuck is so difficult about this?

 

[Paralyzer Z]

What's being said here is that saying that Black people have a culture that is inherent to them, and that inherent culture is the reason you're going to discriminate against black people - that's racist, it's racism by definition, how can you possibly argue against this?

So this is what you summarize from pages and pages of debate? Fine with me.

The culture that is inherent to them is in simpler terms a stereotype. People tend to bash these like you are suggesting her, but take into account there is a reason why they exist. Like said before not ALL black girls have this attitude or culture to them, but a amass amount must have. Norcal is saying that he doesn't want to date a black woman because he does not desire to deal or cooperate with the culture these women most likely may have. This doesn't qualify as racism. He dislikes the culture that usually accompanies these women, it just happens to be that a majority of them are African Americans.

 

[CH David]

Did you even read the thread? Asian girls don't generally do it for me, that's not racist. Not finding black women attractive doesn't make you racist, no one is suggesting that.

What's being said here is that saying that Black people have a culture that is inherent to them, and that the culture is negative, and that inherent culture is the reason you don't like black people - that's racist, it's racism by definition, how can you possibly argue against this?

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Now I get it!!!

Wait, so this is all about an inherent culture that NorCal finds to be unattractive and in fact a turn off, and not the fact that black chicks don't do it for him? My bad. He is a racist fuck because he isn't attracted due to the culture. What an asshole.

Wait again. Fucking LOL!!!!! NorCal...not liking...black people. LOL!!!!! Too funny. NorCal doesn't like anybody that comes from an inherently negative culture, regardless of race. At least I'm pretty sure that's what the deal is.

Let me set the record straight because it is going way over your head. There is an inherent culture that is promoted by the media. The big portion of people that are part of that culture happen to be black. Now if he met anyone, a white girl, Mexican, hell even Canadian, who came from that type of culture, he would be repulsed and likely say "Fuck this I am not going anywhere near it!".

 

[SalvIsWin]

I dont hate black people though, at all. I just wouldnt date a black girl because I dont find them attractive, and if I did, because they have tons of attitude and drive me fucking crazy. Becuase that is what the culture in America encourages them to be like. Not the whole race, black girls in America. The culture is inherent becuase they are born into it, here, not the entire race, worlwide. I am around them all the time. They arent for me, on a relationship level. not racist.

The fuck is so difficult about this?

It doesn't matter if you hate black people though, that's not what racism is, there's more to it than that. If you bothered to read the quote which I have supplied MULTIPLE times in this thread, you would know that.

You're changing what you said now. You said that the culture was inherent, that means that it comes from the individual and is a inseparable quality - THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. What is seems like is that you don't know what inherent means because you used it in an incorrect way. If they were born into it, that would be inherited, not inherent. If it was put on black women born here it couldn't have been fucking inherent or else it would have come from inside them as a quality they inherently possess.

The difficulty has seemingly stemmed from you using words that don't mean what you think they mean, and therefore what you said was fucking racist and you denied it.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

It doesn't matter if you hate black people though, that's not what racism is, there's more to it than that. If you bothered to read the quote which I have supplied MULTIPLE times in this thread, you would know that.

You're changing what you said now. You said that the culture was inherent, that means that it comes from the individual and is a inseparable quality - THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. What is seems like is that you don't know what inherent means because you used it in an incorrect way. If they were born into it, that would be inherited, not inherent. If it was put on black women born here it couldn't have been fucking inherent or else it would have come from inside them as a quality they inherently possess.

The difficulty has seemingly stemmed from you using words that don't mean what you think they mean, and therefore what you said was fucking racist and you denied it.

Well that would be just FUCKING STUPID, no one is BORN with culturally influenced traits, hello

Inherent means perpetual, characteristic, essential. The culture is always there, it is perpetual, nearly essential.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Now I get it!!!

Wait, so this is all about an inherent culture that NorCal finds to be unattractive and in fact a turn off, and not the fact that black chicks don't do it for him? My bad. He is a racist fuck because he isn't attracted due to the culture. What an asshole.

Wait again. Fucking LOL!!!!! NorCal...not liking...black people. LOL!!!!! Too funny. NorCal doesn't like anybody that comes from an inherently negative culture, regardless of race. At least I'm pretty sure that's what the deal is.

Let me set the record straight because it is going way over your head. There is an inherent culture that is promoted by the media. The big portion of people that are part of that culture happen to be black. Now if he met anyone, a white girl, Mexican, hell even Canadian, who came from that type of culture, he would be repulsed and likely say "Fuck this I am not going anywhere near it!".

I guess after all, im just no so unclear in what im getting at.

Like I said, its just must easier to turn into the white knight (or black knight, as it were) against the blonde haired white skinned male, and say racist racist racist.

 

[HBK-aholic]

Who let out the Politically Correct Brigade? My God some of you are just being downright dense for the sake of it, are you not? Reading this thread has made me realise I don't have one black female friend. I also don't have one loud, annoying, egotistical friend with an attitude from ANY race. Why? I just don't get on with it. In fact it annoys the hell out of me. Now, I'm not saying ALL black women are like that, but, without the Politically Correct crap you hear daily, a heck of a lot of them are - I don't know one who isn't. Hence why NorCal didn't say 100% of them are. In fact, he specifically gave an amount of leeway using a lesser number; something you all failed to notice, or rather, wanted to ignore, in your rush to bite his head off.

 

[SalvIsWin]

So this is what you summarize from pages and pages of debate? Fine with me.

The culture that is inherent to them is in simpler terms a stereotype. People tend to bash these like you are suggesting her, but take into account there is a reason why they exist. Like said before not ALL black girls have this attitude or culture to them, but a amass amount must have. Norcal is saying that he doesn't want to date a black woman because he does not desire to deal or cooperate with the culture these women most likely may have. This doesn't qualify as racism.

Discriminating against a race of people because of an inherent trait or attribute is racism. This isn't a debate about what racism is, that is what racism is. What NorCal said was exactly what the definition is. He said the culture was inherent to the women and that he didn't like them because of it.

Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination.

Discriminating (not liking) against a race of people (black people; the topic) because of an inherit trait or attribute (their inherent culture according to Norcal). That's racism.

Well that would be just FUCKING STUPID, no one is BORN with culturally influenced traits, hello

Inherent means perpetual, characteristic, essential. The culture is always there, it is perpetual, nearly essential.

Yeah, it is fucking stupid, but it's what you said.

Inherent doesn't mean everlasting, it doesn't mean essential. Inherent means:

Existing in someone or something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute.

It's not forced on anyone, it's not something you inherited because you're in America, it's not because the media promotes it - It's a permanent element in someone. You're saying that the black culture is a permanent element in black women - no it isn't. You think black women in Africa act the way black women in America act? Do black women in Russia act the same way black women in America act? No. However if it were permanent and inseparable within black women, then they should all act the same fucking way. You have no fucking idea what inherent means. You fucked up, you used the wrong word which made you look like a fucking racist, now you're too proud to admit you fucked up and you'd rather argue with me.

 

[FlexAmerican Dynamite]

Honestly this has become to so pointless guys, I was one of the people who found Norcal's statement somewhat offensive. And after pages of countless debating and retourting and clever comebacks I realized that neither of us were going to change our minds. Everybody here has good points that should all be taken into account. But none of you are willing to give up your beliefs so why not just agree to disagree?

 

[SalvIsWin]

Hence why NorCal didn't say 100% of them are. In fact, he specifically gave an amount of leeway using a lesser number; something you all failed to notice, or rather, wanted to ignore, in your rush to bite his head off.

Racism is the belief that inherent different traits in human racial groups justify discrimination.

He said that the black culture is inherent to black women. He said he doesn't date black women (discrimination) because of their culture. Therefore he is discriminating based on their inherent traits.

That is racism. Easy concept.

 

[SalvIsWin]

BlackDyanmite, fine. NorCal made an ignorant statement, he was called out for it & now it seems that we are in endless argument over it. Way I see it, I just don't have any interest in saying the same thing over & over again.

Honestly, if he wasn't such a prick about it earlier, I wouldn't even continue this. The fact is he said something racist, but from his other posts he seemingly meant inherit instead of inherent, which changes his statement from racist to ignorant (but not racist). However because he was such a douchebag, I'm comfortable hammering the point home. This is why when you argue you shouldn't call people motherfuckers or dumbass, because then when you fuck up people won't be so nice to you in return.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

Yeah, it is fucking stupid, but it's what you said.

Inherent doesn't mean everlasting, it doesn't mean essential. Inherent means:



It's not forced on anyone, it's not something you inherited because you're in America, it's not because the media promotes it - It's a permanent element in someone. You're saying that the black culture is a permanent element in black women - no it isn't. You think black women in Africa act the way black women in America act? Do black women in Russia act the same way black women in America act? No. However if it were permanent and inseparable within black women, then they should all act the same fucking way. You have no fucking idea what inherent means. You fucked up, you used the wrong word which made you look like a fucking racist, now you're too proud to admit you fucked up and you'd rather argue with me.

I didnt say it was inherent in black women, I said its an inherent culture in this country that the people I have met many times over come from. Its permanent, its always there, when they are born, its the culture they are born into, HERE, which is the crop of ladies I would be interacting with on a dating level.

So now your admitting that you have been wrong about how I feel the entire time?

in·her·ent/inˈhi(&#601rənt/
Adjective:
Existing in something as a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute: "inherent dangers"

Thank you for wasting our time, for page after page after page

 

[Mighty NorCal]

BlackDyanmite, fine. NorCal made an ignorant statement, he was called out for it & now it seems that we are in endless argument over it. Way I see it, I just don't have any interest in saying the same thing over & over again.

It isnt ignorant though, its true, as we have now, bit by bit, whittled this down to.

 

[HBK-aholic]

He said that the black culture is inherent to black women. He said he doesn't date black women (discrimination) because of their culture. Therefore he is discriminating based on their inherent traits.

That is racism. Easy concept.

Actually, he said his damn dick just doesn't get hard for that shit. But I'm sorry, NorCal, you're going to have to start dating random black women whom you have no interest in, you're upsetting this lot.

He has never once said black people are BAD people. He doesn't believe the white race is superior, or that we have the right to rule over black people - he just has no interest in dating someone with the attitude most of those girls have, or with someone with the physical features most black women have. His way of life simply does not mix well with theirs. Which is true for WHITE women whom act in that same way. Stop being so dense, you know exactly what he means.