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Sexual Racism

Alex

King Of The Wasteland
While I guess I always knew about it, it never really crossed my mind until recently.

So there's a chick that I think is alright and I think digs me, so I ask my friend to see if he can find out if I have an in. Long story short, turns out she thinks I'm alright, but wouldn't want to date me because of my ethnicity, that pissed me off, but then I thought, why?? I mean surely if you hang around someone and think they're alright, not wanting to date them because of their race seems a bit strange right??

What I'd like to know is what you think about it and why you reckon it seems to exist.
 
I think it's silly. If women are ice cream, I like vanilla, chocolate, and all the flavors in between. Why automatically rule out flavors like that? If I hit it off personality wise, what difference does it make if she is white, black, asian, or latina? It either clicks or it doesn't.
 
Based on the OP's information, since you think that she digs you than I doubt it is racism of any kind.

What I reckon it maybe is rather cultural or identity preservation. I see this happen a lot where someone may not want to date another unless they are of the same nationality. I have actually seen some parents enforce that so that that possible marriage, and reproducing (thus mixing ethnicity) is prevented.

To me personally I think that is a very laughable reason to dismiss you off the potential date list. Even if it is for the reason I stated above, race, or nationality really shouldn't matter when dating.
 
Many cultural differences, and some people just have their preferences. A lot of races and ethnological backrounds have certain genes that give them some assets better than others. Some people just prefer certain skin tones and hair color. Also, like I said, cultural.

I dont find black women attractive. I like light, fair skin, and sorry, their culture encourages them to have massive, egotistical, loud, ignorant, superficial personalities. I do not have a fucking shred of interest in dealing with a single bit of that.

Incidentally, Jewish women will not date ME...Im not Jewish, I have blonde hair and light eyes, and fucking LOAD of tattoos. Also, adding in cultural differences, for the most part, they are VERY, very traditional and clutch to their outdated ways, wereas im very open minded, and give very little value to any traditional veiwpoints.

Just a few examples, but there are many.

Its ok for everyone to have their types, and if the cultural differences are legitimate and real, then there is NO reason to look badly upon someone expressing that.
 
Holy shit this fits my life perfectly.

My current girlfriend and I have been together almost three years now. Getting her was so damn hard though. It wasn't because she hated the way I looked or whatever, her dad wanted her to stay away from me because I'm half black. It drove me insane having a fine ass chick into me and not being able to date her. Eventually, she gave in and we started hiding everything from her dad. A couple months later, she moves to her moms and I'm totally in there.

Overall, I think it's possible many people who won't date anyone but their own color or race come from a family where it's frowned upon to date anyone that's different. At times, it's completely understandable. Here in Kentucky, it's due to racism and it's not unlikely to run into these sorts of situations.
 
Yet, you believe in a complete stereotype of black women. I'm currently dating a black girl (2 months now), and she's pretty much the opposite of what you described.

But some people just have certain attractions to races or cultures. But it can turn to "sexual racism" pretty quickly

Stereotypes exist for a reason. Many times, there is a multitude of truth to them. Motherfucker, I probably have more black friends than you. I lived with a balck family and helped them raise their children for 4 years. What race do you think the people who came over all the time were during those 4 years?

98% of the time, the "stereotypes" I just mentioned were as true as the day is long. Sure there are exceptions, but that is were the genetics thing comes in. I dont like dark skin, and titties that look like pancakes. Sorry.
 
I dont find black women attractive. I like light, fair skin, and sorry, their culture encourages them to have massive, egotistical, loud, ignorant, superficial personalities. I do not have a fucking shred of interest in dealing with a single bit of that.

Stereotypes exist for a reason. Many times, there is a multitude of truth to them. Motherfucker, I probably have more black friends than you. I lived with a balck family and helped them raise their children for 4 years. What race do you think the people who came over all the time were during those 4 years?

98% of the time, the "stereotypes" I just mentioned were as true as the day is long. Sure there are exceptions, but that is were the genetics thing comes in. I dont like dark skin, and titties that look like pancakes. Sorry.

Stereotypes are based off something and not nothing, yes, but the entire definition of a stereotype is that they're inaccurate and simplify an entire group of people.

Black girls are loud and ignorant with pancake titties - that's simply not accurate and is a simplified assessment, it's a stereotype, and hence you're not actually open-minded about black girls at all, which was Shamar James' point.

Are some black girls loud, ignorant, and the owner of pancake titties? Yes. Are they more so than the average non-black girl? I don't know, but even if the answer was yes, it's not a vast, vast epidemic that's inherited by every black girl, so to say it's 98% is just false and not even remotely close to being true.

Also, your evidence that you use to show that you 'know' Black people, that you were around a black family and their guests for several years is incredibly fallacious.
 
Stereotypes are based off something and not nothing, yes, but the entire definition of a stereotype is that they're inaccurate and simplify an entire group of people.

Black girls are loud and ignorant with pancake titties - that's simply not accurate and is a simplified assessment, it's a stereotype, and hence you're not actually open-minded about black girls at all, which was Shamar James' point.

Are some black girls loud, ignorant, and the owner of pancake titties? Yes. Are they more so than the average non-black girl? I don't know, but even if the answer was yes, it's not a vast, vast epidemic that's inherited by every black girl, so to say it's 98% is just false and not even remotely close to being true.

Also, your evidence that you use to show that you 'know' Black people, that you were around a black family and their guests for several years is incredibly fallacious.

Why is drawing upon ones personal experiences over a lifetime not valid? What fucking qualifies as a valid opinion then, other than someone who has been around and close with black people and that culture their entire lives?

Its not an epidemic, im not sitting here saying "MAYNE ******S STANK AND THEY ARE JUST DUMMM" its an inherent culture that develops over time that is negative, and encouraged. But it is what it is. Not being able to handle someone saying that is simply being weak. I never said I "know" black people as you put it, I know that 98% of my very extensive experience with that culture has proven what i said to be true, and is not something I am interested in dealing with someone that i am dating. Not seeing what is so horrific and nefarious about that statement. Dont blame someone perpetuating stereotypes, take a long hard look at MTV and BET, and get mad at the culture being encouraged as a good way to be.

As far as the dark skin and pancake titties, well, I have yet to see a black person without dark skin, and every pair of black girl tits that I have seen suffers from this condition. Which leads me to believe its a genetics thing. Something I am not interested in courting. What else do I have to draw upon, besides the fact that I have never been attracted to a black girl, and EVERY one of them, to me, their personality if like nails on a chalk board...At what point, over a life time of experiencing this, is it valid for me to say "you know, black girls probably just arent my thing" ???

This is why you get people being dishonest, and not genuine, because little titty babies like the two of you cant handle someone being honest, and saying things that have a very, very large amount of reality to them. I already have a multitude of people who are too scared of saying something that is simply true for the most part, repping me, for not being afraid to say it.

ALSO, LOL @ no one making comment on Jewish girls not liking me, for simulair cultural and genetic differences, ones I freely admit to. If only others had the self assurance and lack of paranoia as myself, yea?
 
I agree with everyone except Norcal. In fact the whole argument he's trying to make is not even worth a proper repsonse because it's just so idiotic to believe that because your not afraid to say something, it's automatically true. Anyway, I agree with Davi and Hamler, it's completely understandable at times as long as pure racism doesn't begin. And also that would god of made so many different flavors in this world if you were only supposed to try the one your from?
 
I agree with everyone except Norcal. In fact the whole argument he's trying to make is not even worth a proper repsonse because it's just so idiotic to believe that because your not afraid to say something, it's automatically true. Anyway, I agree with Davi and Hamler, it's completely understandable at times as long as pure racism doesn't begin.

I dont understand any of you, and how you cant grasp how simple this is.


If you buy a cake every day, your entire life, and 99% of the time, it tastes the exact time, because the ingredients of said cake are mostly the same, in your experience, at what point is it ok to say your personal preference is not to deal with that cake? You guys are saying hey try every flavor, but its not ok to try a flavor and then not like it? For the record, I have fucked just about every race, besides Asians. I tried that flavor of cake, and these are examples as to why i did not prefer them.

EVERY black girl I have EVER met, to some extent, has what i am talking about within them. Are they all girls off the ghetto brawls videos? No, but I also never said that. I said that is what their culture encourages, that being the case, the overwelming culture is what you are often going to get. I know this, from personal experience, over a lifetime. A culture I am not interested in dating someone from, for I, myself, am a loud, ignorant, angry person. At a certain point, I came to realization "you know, black girls just arent for me"

There is NOTHING wrong with saying that. At all
 
I dont understand any of you, and how you cant grasp how simple this is.


If you buy a cake every day, your entire life, and 99% of the time, it tastes the exact time, because the ingredients of said cake are mostly the same, in your experience, at what point is it ok to say your personal preference is not to deal with that cake? You guys are saying hey try every flavor, but its not ok to try a flavor and then not like it? For the record, I have fucked just about every race, besides Asians. I tried that flavor of cake, and these are examples as to why i did not prefer them.

EVERY black girl I have EVER met, to some extent, has what i am talking about within them. Are they all girls off the ghetto brawls videos? No, but I also never said that. I said that is what their culture encourages, that being the case, the overwelming culture is what you are often going to get. I know this, from personal experience, over a lifetime. A culture I am not interested in dating someone from, for I, myself, am a loud, ignorant, angry person. At a certain point, I came to realization "you know, black girls just arent for me"

There is NOTHING wrong with saying that. At all

Cake is not a living human with emotions and a working mind. I've met alot of white/asian/mexican people who are inferior to me physically and Im african american, does this make everyone who's not black bad at sports, physical labor, or even less successful sexually? No.
 
Then you say every black girl you've ever met is like that. Don't say EVERY black girl is like that then. Jesus, I really need to say this?

Please, direct me to were I said every black girl is like that?

I said that is what their culture encourages, thus, that is what you can expect to get. Which I have seen in my experience to be true.

Do you know what the fuck words mean? Until you do, stay at the childrens table, dumbass.

Cake is not a living human with emotions and a working mind. I've met alot of white/asian/mexican people who are inferior to me physically and Im african american, does this make everyone who's not black bad at sports, physical labor, or even less successful sexually? No.

Which has nothing to do with anything I am saying. Maybe you should go sit at the kid table with Shamar, until you learn what words mean as well.
 
Which has nothing to do with anything I am saying. Maybe you should go sit at the kid table with Shamar, until you learn what words mean as well.

Im using your example against you, maybe should realize how an argument is made. And yes it has everything to do with what your saying. Don't compare cake to race and maybe things will start making sense again.
 
Im using your example against you, maybe should realize how an argument is made. And yes it has everything to do with what your saying. Don't compare cake to race and maybe things will start making sense again.

Im talking about a formula, which leads to an end product.

If you use the ingredients to make a cake, time in, and time out, you have a good idea of what you are going to get when you buy it.

If you deal with a person who is derived from a simulair set of culture and influences, its not wrong to have an idea of what you are going to get, and deal with, specifically if you have lived within it yourself for pretty much your entire life.

Were are the two of you defending me against Jewish girls not liking me? Is that ok because im a blonde white male? Or is it ok becuase I simply accept that my genetic and cultural differences do not mesh well with theirs?
 
Why is drawing upon ones personal experiences over a lifetime not valid? What fucking qualifies as a valid opinion then, other than someone who has been around and close with black people and that culture their entire lives?

You're asking me what's wrong with drawing upon your personal experience with black people to generalize the entire race? Generalizing and simplifying isn't valid because it's wrong, not morally but factually. The fact is that you're own experiences summed up wouldn't add up to a sample size that would even begin to approach anything acceptable enough in order to make a generalization like you have - that's why it's not valid.

You can talk about your own experiences, they are valid and legitimate, but what's not valid is to say that your own experiences allow you make any sort of generalization. To further state that your stereotypes are correct 98% of the time is ridiculous.

WIts not an epidemic, im not sitting here saying "MAYNE ******S STANK AND THEY ARE JUST DUMMM" its an inherent culture that develops over time that is negative, and encouraged. But it is what it is.

What's an inherent culture that's developed over time that is negative and encouraged? Black culture? If that's what you're saying you might as well be saying what you wrote in your quote because you're being racist. If you're talking about a race that has an inherent culture that is negative - that's fucking racist.



Not being able to handle someone saying that is simply being weak. I never said I "know" black people as you put it, I know that 98% of my very extensive experience with that culture has proven what i said to be true, and is not something I am interested in dealing with someone that i am dating. Not seeing what is so horrific and nefarious about that statement. Dont blame someone perpetuating stereotypes, take a long hard look at MTV and BET, and get mad at the culture being encouraged as a good way to be.

You say your experiences with black people have 98% of the time involved the stereotypes you're talking about - OK, maybe that's true, I'll assume it is, but you're talking about the entire race, not just the group of black people you know. You're explicitly judging the black people you don't know based on your own experiences - and clearly you don't think your stereotypes only apply to the people you know, you're talking about the negative culture being inherent to blacks and telling me to take a look at MTV and BET, clearly you hold these views about black people in general and I've explained why I think that's dumb.



As far as the dark skin and pancake titties, well, I have yet to see a black person without dark skin, and every pair of black girl tits that I have seen suffers from this condition. Which leads me to believe its a genetics thing. Something I am not interested in courting. What else do I have to draw upon, besides the fact that I have never been attracted to a black girl, and EVERY one of them, to me, their personality if like nails on a chalk board...At what point, over a life time of experiencing this, is it valid for me to say "you know, black girls probably just arent my thing" ???

You can say black girls aren't your thing, perfectly valid, and if you're not attracted to their dark skin that's a legitimate reason not to pursue a relationship. I won't talk about black girls tits because I'm not an expert - I don't know what's genetic or not when it comes to a woman's breasts. Obviously skin colour is genetic, so that's why it's fine to say that about the entire race. I'm talking about how you generalized the entire race because you think you know black people.

This is why you get people being dishonest, and not genuine, because little titty babies like the two of you cant handle someone being honest, and saying things that have a very, very large amount of reality to them. I already have a multitude of people who are too scared of saying something that is simply true for the most part, repping me, for not being afraid to say it.

I'm not going to apologize because I am intolerant of your belligerent closet racism. Also, other ignorant people thinking you're right doesn't prove anything.
 
You're asking me what's wrong with drawing upon your personal experience with black people to generalize the entire race? Generalizing and simplifying isn't valid because it's wrong, not morally but factually. The fact is that you're own experiences summed up wouldn't add up to a sample size that would even begin to approach anything acceptable enough in order to make a generalization like you have - that's why it's not valid.

You can talk about your own experiences, they are valid and legitimate, but what's not valid is to say that your own experiences allow you make any sort of generalization. To further state that your stereotypes are correct 98% of the time is ridiculous.



What's an inherent culture that's developed over time that is negative and encouraged? Black culture? If that's what you're saying you might as well be saying what you wrote in your quote because you're being racist. If you're talking about a race that has an inherent culture that is negative - that's fucking racist.





You say your experiences with black people have 98% of the time involved the stereotypes you're talking about - OK, maybe that's true, I'll assume it is, but you're talking about the entire race, not just the group of black people you know. You're explicitly judging the black people you don't know based on your own experiences - and clearly you don't think your stereotypes only apply to the people you know, you're talking about the negative culture being inherent to blacks and telling me to take a look at MTV and BET, clearly you hold these views about black people in general and I've explained why I think that's dumb.





You can say black girls aren't your thing, perfectly valid, and if you're not attracted to their dark skin that's a legitimate reason not to pursue a relationship. I won't talk about black girls tits because I'm not an expert - I don't know what's genetic or not when it comes to a woman's breasts. Obviously skin colour is genetic, so that's why it's fine to say that about the entire race. I'm talking about how you generalized the entire race because you think you know black people.



I'm not going to apologize because I am intolerant of your belligerent closet racism. Also, other ignorant people thinking you're right doesn't prove anything.

You sound like an idiot right now. Ok, ill break this into two sections, for the three of you, since it sounds like its very hard to grasp

Race-

Skin, weird boobs

Culture -
all that other shit I dont feel like dealing with


Are you HONESTLY going to sit here and tell me general pop culture for black girls does not encourage the things I stated? You cant generalize a race, but you can damn sure generalize the culture that is predominant over that race. Coming from someone who has lived within or aorund that culture, all over the country. If I met a black girl from, say, fuck, Russia? Maybe she would be different, because she hasnt been within the culture her whole life. Which would then lead to the other reasons I wouldnt date her, I simply dont find her attractive.
 
Im talking about a formula, which leads to an end product.

If you use the ingredients to make a cake, time in, and time out, you have a good idea of what you are going to get when you buy it.

If you deal with a person who is derived from a simulair set of culture and influences, its not wrong to have an idea of what you are going to get, and deal with, specifically if you have lived within it yourself for pretty much your entire life.

Were are the two of you defending me against Jewish girls not liking me? Is that ok because im a blonde white male? Or is it ok becuase I simply accept that my genetic and cultural differences do not mesh well with theirs?

See that's the point if you were saying I just don't find black women attractive and then went on your way none of this would be happening. Then you had to start with racist terms such as Pancake titties and whatnot. And yea maybe I am alittle extra motivated against these racist remarks because your white but everyone is entitled to date whoever they wanna date,regardless of color,religion,etc. Your whole argument basically is on the couple of experiences you've had. Don't classify us as something because of that.
 
See that's the point if you were saying I just don't find black women attractive and then went on your way none of this would be happening. Then you had to start with racist terms such as Pancake titties and whatnot. And yea maybe I am alittle extra motivated against these racist remarks because your white but everyone is entitled to date whoever they wanna date,regardless of color,religion,etc. Your whole argument basically is on the couple of experiences you've had. Don't classify us as something because of that.

How is pancake titties a racist statement? You realize that particular statement has nothing to do with skin color?

and its NOT just becuase of me not finding them attractive, its a culture clash that I dont feel like dealing with on a day to day basis. Culture and religion are PERFECTLY valid reasons not to want to date someone.

Also, my entire LIFE is not "a couple of experiences" but it makes it easy for you to light the pitchforks and freak out when you just assume that is the situation.
 
How is pancake titties a racist statement? You realize that particular statement has nothing to do with skin color?

and its NOT just becuase of me not finding them attractive, its a culture clash that I dont feel like dealing with on a day to day basis. Culture and religion are PERFECTLY valid reasons not to want to date someone.

Also, my entire LIFE is not "a couple of experiences" but it makes it easy for you to light the pitchforks and freak out when you just assume that is the situation.

Out of all the people currently criticizing you for your comment im probably the least hateful or freaked out, just for the record. Your saying that because you don't like somebody that your assuming is from a culture that is presented as mostly a stereotype,and that you don't even know that their from, and before even getting to know them your automatically never want to date them isn't racist? Honestly man this is kinda getting pointless. You basically don't want to date people because of stereotype, plain and simple. Every argument you make is basically that your entire life the black people you met have automatically made every other black person in the world loud, annoying,obnoxious,etc.
 
If you buy a cake every day, your entire life, and 99% of the time, it tastes the exact time, because the ingredients of said cake are mostly the same, in your experience, at what point is it ok to say your personal preference is not to deal with that cake?

The proper analogy would be similar to what you're saying would be like this:

You buy a cake every day your entire life. 99% of the time it tastes the same. Then you say, all cakes taste like this, I do not like all cakes.

You don't know all cakes, you know some cakes. You can say from experience that you have not tried a cake you like, but you cannot judge all cakes. A cake however is a fucking dessert, so when you say, 'I hate cake', no one is going to give you shit about the fact that you're talking about cake overall and not explicitly stating that you mean only the cakes you've tried. When you're talking about an entire race of people though, people aren't going to not give a shit.


Please, direct me to were I said every black girl is like that?

I said that is what their culture encourages, thus, that is what you can expect to get. Which I have seen in my experience to be true.

It's inferred by what you've said. If you don't like the women that black culture produces, and black culture is inherent within the race - then you fucking don't like black women, it's deductive reasoning. Also, you say on the next line:

You cant generalize a race, but you can damn sure generalize the culture that is predominant over that race. Coming from someone who has lived within or aorund that culture, all over the country. If I met a black girl from, say, fuck, Russia? Maybe she would be different, because she hasnt been within the culture her whole life.

Let me show you a quote:

Its not an epidemic, im not sitting here saying "MAYNE ******S STANK AND THEY ARE JUST DUMMM" its an inherent culture that develops over time that is negative, and encouraged.

You said that it's an inherent culture - inherent, that means it's within the black race. Saying that there's a negative culture that is inherent to the black race, and not liking them for it is being fucking racist, that's the definition. By definition, what you said was racist.
 
Out of all the people currently criticizing you for your comment im probably the least hateful or freaked out, just for the record. Your saying that because you don't like somebody that your assuming is from a culture that is presented as mostly a stereotype,and that you don't even know that their from, and before even getting to know them your automatically never want to date them isn't racist? Honestly man this is kinda getting pointless. You basically don't want to date people because of stereotype, plain and simple. Every argument you make is basically that your entire life the black people you met have automatically made every other black person in the world loud, annoying,obnoxious,etc.

Im not assuming they are from the culture, all I have met, ARE from that culture, and it is the predominant culture associated with the race. Not from movies like Soul Plane and space Jam, my actual fucking experiences. Real life. For all of you to sit there and say its not that way is outrageous, seriously.

I dont want to date them for the aesthetic reasons I mentioned, and you are generally going to be dealing with an attitude. I would feel the same way if the culture was predominant over white girls, mexicans, fucking aliens, the simpsons, whatever. For the record, the white girls who act like that are nothing I want to have anything to do with either.

But to say its not the predominant culture of american black women is clear biased and untrue. Maybe instead of being so hyper sensitive about it, you should take a little accountability, and see in what ways you perpetuate and encourage it on a daily basis.
 
You buy a cake every day your entire life. 99% of the time it tastes the same. Then you say, all cakes taste like this, I do not like all cakes.






It's inferred by what you've said. If you don't like the women that black culture produces, and black culture is inherent within the race - then you fucking don't like black women, it's deductive reasoning. Also, you say on the next line:



Let me show you a quote:



You said that it's an inherent culture - inherent, that means it's within the black race. Saying that there's a negative culture that is inherent to the black race, and not liking them for it is being fucking racist, that's the definition. By definition, what you said was racist.

Dont tell me the proper analogy for what the fuck I meant was.

A certain type of cake, yes. Black ones.

Oh, it was inferred, so I DIDNT fucking say it. Once again, telling me what I meant. Its deductive reasoning since there is so much hyper sensitivity, its what you WANTED me to mean so you run all about talking about what a racist bigot I am. Despite me mentioning earlier I went to great lengths to care for three black children for years. Fuck me, re-organize the P.Stone Rangers and come get that man!!

It being a negative culture is in the eye of the beholder. I, personally, dont feel like dealing with that sort of shit. Which is why i said Black women arent for me.

What the fuck am I going to do? Go through life searching out the 2 out of a 1000 who dont subscribe to the predominant culture in any way shape or form, because goodness forbid I be called racist? Um, fuck no, im probably going to take every life experience I have ever had in my life, and say "black women just arent my thing"

Maybe the next time you see people happily indulging in these stereo types and culture, you will call them out on it.
 
Im not assuming they are from the culture, all I have met, ARE from that culture, and it is the predominant culture associated with the race. Not from movies like Soul Plane and space Jam, my actual fucking experiences. Real life. For all of you to sit there and say its not that way is outrageous, seriously.

I dont want to date them for the aesthetic reasons I mentioned, and you are generally going to be dealing with an attitude. I would feel the same way if the culture was predominant over white girls, mexicans, fucking aliens, the simpsons, whatever. For the record, the white girls who act like that are nothing I want to have anything to do with either.

But to say its not the predominant culture of american black women is clear biased and untrue. Maybe instead of being so hyper sensitive about it, you should take a little accountability, and see in what ways you perpetuate and encourage it on a daily basis.

So basically now your saying because of people who have done stupid things and happen to be black makes me responsible for that just because I am also black and I should take accountability for what people I haven't met or probably won't did. :lmao: . Anyway If you don't want to deal with attitudes then why are you even dating women? Not that implying any homosexual joke/flame but saying that black women are the only ones with attitudes are like saying black men are the only ones with penises. It's just not true.
 
So basically now your saying because of people who have done stupid things and happen to be black makes me responsible for that just because I am also black and I should take accountability for what people I haven't met or probably won't did. :lmao: . Anyway If you don't want to deal with attitudes then why are you even dating women? Not that implying any homosexual joke/flame but saying that black women are the only ones with attitudes are like saying black men are the only ones with penises. It's just not true.

I didnt say they were the only ones with attitudes. I said those attitudes are encouraged and perpetuated by the predominant culture they develop in.

Once again, lets just infer what I mean, because its easier to to assume im some bigot racist.
 
I wish to remind people this is not a Bar Room thread, it is the Potluck forum. Avoid Spamming unless you wish to receiving an Infraction. You must take a position AND defend it.

Oh, and on a more personal note, I understand exactly what Norcal's saying, and he's pretty much dead on.
 

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