Not sure if you've noticed this but Jeff Hardy and CM Punk didn't win a thing during their stint with TNA. Neither of them got to hold the World Championship at any point. There is nothing in the history books that prove either man was ever associated in TNA concerning accomplishments (i.e. titles and such). So, the WWE can simply ignore their time with the rival company and develop them into their own stars. Hardy didn't use the success he attained from the E to do anything important in the A. People like Christian did... oh wait... it's not just Christian that it happened to, there have been others as well:
Just because they didn't win anything in TNA it doesn't mean they were still, uhh, in TNA. I really don't think simply because someone wins a title or two in TNA, the WWE suddenly believes that they can't push them, but if they didn't win a title, it's ok. Really, does it matter that much?
They'll push whoever deserves pushing, brother. Punk and Hardy won titles in the WWE because they deserved to have the titles and be in the main event. Punk is better in the ring than Christian ever was and Hardy was more over than Christian ever was. That's why they won titles and Christian didn't, not because of a few forgettable title runs in TNA.
Gail Kim: She debuted herself in the E and won the Women's Title, being a viable contender with the Diva's. Then, using the name that she garnered success from, went over to TNA and won the KnockOut's Title. Due to Gail Kim, TNA developed a successful women's division that was held in high-regard... always OUT-DOING the Diva's division the E had to offer (providing an alternative that attracted viewers). Hell, Gail Kim was responsible for some of the HIGHEST RATED segments of iMPACT! What happened when she signed back with the E?
Invalid argument due to no one giving a shit about women's wrestling, especially the WWE. Not comparable to Christian's situation at all.
Same situation for the same people. They used the name and success from the WWE to achieve much better accomplishments in the rival company (at times hurting the E), only to sign back and not receive the highest title they can achieve due to that previous run. Sure, Kim's title's aren't directly labeled "World" Titles, but they are the equivalent in the Women's Division.
Yes, these things happen, but I'm still not seeing your point. Vince doesn't simply screw people out of title chances because they were successful in TNA, doesn't make any sense.
Jeff Hardy could be defined as a career mid-carder considering the accomplishments he had during his time in the E before he won the World Title. Let's take a look:
Championships:
- Tag Team (x7)
- Hardcore (x3)
- European
- Lightweight
- Intercontinental (x4)
Jeffy is significantly younger though. About 5 years, in fact. Jeff won his first title at age 30. Christian was already 32 by the time he left for TNA. His time has passed, and he knew it, which is why he went to a company where they routinely gives guys in the 40s and 50s the belt.
Hell, with the issues that Hardy has had in the past, that also provided a hinderance to him reaching the brass ring. Christian hasn't had anything major happen to him... so shouldn't that give him the edge? Both guys have proven to be very over with the crowd and connect with the audience. Wrestling-wise, although with two different styles where Jeff works a more riskier style than Christian, are on par. As for charisma, a big thing in the E, Christian has proven to be high on the mountain... something Jeff has had trouble with his entire career.
Jeff got the title because he was over as shit at that time. They tried everything they could to keep it off him. I believe he had about 783 title matches before he finally was victorious. The big drug charges didn't even come till after he won it. Anyway, like I said, Jeff was more over at that time than Christian could ever have dreamed of. Take a listen.
Christian and Jeff Hardy were on the same level concerning place on the card, yet Christian was the outstanding star of the two in ways that could ensure the WWE for a beneficial World Champion. The only difference I can see was that Christian used his name to win the big one in the rival company and use their invested time to create more success, whilst Jeff didn't do anything.
Once again, it's an asinine argument to say that because Jeff didn't win a title in TNA, he won one in the WWE. How does that make sense? And as I said, Jeff was more over than Christian ever was, and it's not like Christian left immeadiately after him and Edge split. He was stuck in PPV matches with the likes of Tomko during his singles career. Doesn't scream
main event to me.
Kennedy has endured a couple of road-bumps in the way (such as injuries & Wellness Policies) that ultimately labeled as an "unsafe worker in the WWE environment," stalling his pushes. Shelton and Kozlov couldn't get over. Bobby Lashley wanted to became an MMA Fighter who used wrestling as a catalyst to gain fame. Umaga managed to stay relevant and in the ME scene after his title opportunity, and could potentially of gone on to win the big one on SD... but he refused to visit rehab (and sadly passed away). These have proven over the past.
Proving my point. You assumed that Christian being in the title hunt was the same as him winning the title, which clearly isn't true.
Christian is a safe worker who is over with the crowd. He hasn't had a desire to quit wrestling at this point and knows how to professionally wrestle. All the tools are there and if you can't see it you might need to go to an Optometrist.
Sure, Christian's pretty good, but is pretty good enough to win a world title? Of course not. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Christian, but what does he have that sets him apart from the crowd. You could say About a dozen guys are "a safe worker who is over with the crowd. He hasn't had a desire to quit wrestling at this point and knows how to professionally wrestle", but that doesn't mean they get a World Title. Matt Hardy, Mark Henry, Kofi, R-Truth, Chavo, Ziggler just to name a few. Like Christian, they're serviceable guys, but not the best of the bunch that'll go on to win World Titles.
What I've based my argument around are pure facts... all you have been deciding to do is speculate, without any full-blown evidence. To say Christian can't win the World Title if he stayed with the E is completely asinine.
What have you said to convince me otherwise? Your argument is "He left, won some in TNA, and came back and hasn't won." How does that prove anything?
And yet, he got a chance at the WWE Championship... something a career mid-carder doesn't get in a one-on-one opportunity. Example, Chris Masters had to qualify inside an Elimination Chamber to get anywhere near there.
As far as I know, Christian hasn't had a 1 on 1 for a title. The one with Cena at Vengeance 05 was a Triple Threat with Jericho involved as well. His only title shot, as far as I can tell. I can't fine a 1 on 1 title match anywhere, which even guys who haven't won a title, like Kennedy, have had.
Again, without evidence, you can't thrust Christian down the card (something I've already gone over). Almost makes you apart of that IWC you were referring to.
I wasn't thrusting him down the card, I was keeping him exactly where he's always been.
Being over is one aspect that someone needs to become a World Champion, which both Christian and Kofi have... however, Kofi has been performing below standard in the ring as of late. Ask Randy Orton. You can't put someone as the World Champion if they can't perform simple spots on TV. Christian has never had a complaint about his ring work.
Orton complains about everybody, including the Miz, just a few weeks ago. That's not reason for someone not to win a World Title. At their core, Kofi and Christian are virtually the same.
In the perfect world, they would be only one World Champion. This isn't the perfect world, so there will be more than one. Both TNA and the WWE titles are considered on the same level because they are both "World" championships.
Technically, they are, but realistically, are you telling me that it isn't easier to win the World Title in TNA than it is in the WWE? Really? In fact, Christian was never actually TNA World Heavyweight Champion, only NWA Champion, held by the likes of Ken Shammrock, R-Truth, Raven, and Rhino in TNA. Not exactly cream of the crop. Surely these guys wouldn't have the same success in the WWE.
He remained a contender for the title until his contract expired and didn't sign another. Everyone else you have mentioned were either going through their "15 minutes of fame" or were unreliable.
Like I said before,
1 title match.
Er... he has held a World Title... twice.
It's not even remotely the same.
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