Really WWE?

[RatedRPiedmont]

So i am watching Smackdown and MVP and JTG get the win against the Dudebusters. No surprise there. The surprise is MVP's new finisher...Looks awfully familar, does it not? I believe that is the EXACT same finisher as the recently fired Shelton Benjamin had been using for the last 3 years.

So my question is do you think the WWE is being lazy when it comes to developing finishers? Or is it just another case of the WWE trying to hurt a fired superstars momentum in the case they decided to join TNA (seems very likely in Benjamins case)?

 

[Sydney Aradi]

Yeah I noticed that MVP used Shelton's same finisher. I guess this is WWE's way of making Shelton Benjamin look bad should he go to TNA as to fool people into believing that they've never seen the Paydirt used before.

 

[CuddleBuns84]

The same finishers have been used for years. I mean, when the Undertaker came back, he used the powerbomb. The stunner, or the Front neck breaker has been used for years. The Rock Bottom was a modified chokeslam. The Chokeslam has been used for years. Copying finishers isn't a new business.

 

[Spidey Revivey]

Well yeah- Finishers are hard things to make original. MVP using the Paydirt really isn't "copying" off of Benjamin anymore than Benjamin copied the T-Bone Suplex off of Taz when Taz used it in his ECW days.

While we are on that subject The Playmaker wasn't original either. Many new stars used it as a finisher first and even Randy Orton had it for a while but called it O-Zone.

And really The Paydirt was a modified Bulldog move, so I don't see a problem with MVP using it.

 

[future admin]

Yeah, I don't like that. Shelton was much more a company man, and WWE screwed him. I know many others have used it. But they could atleast wait a few months until people forget about it, and then use it.

 

[TokiRKO]

The same finishers have been used for years. I mean, when the Undertaker came back, he used the powerbomb. The stunner, or the Front neck breaker has been used for years. The Rock Bottom was a modified chokeslam. The Chokeslam has been used for years. Copying finishers isn't a new business.

Every move is a modified version of another move. There's only so many ways to hurt some one, and most people aren't creative enough to think of new ones.

Undertaker used a modified powerbomb, he'd elevate them by their tights before slamming them, considering his size, it was effective

The stunner has many variations. Not mentioning different situations (fireman's carry into stunner, argentine stunner, etc) you have the jumping cutter (rko), the regular cutter (diamond cutter), and even the testdrive/cross rhodes is a spinning cutter.

The rock bottom was NOT a chokeslam. It was a forward falling uranage. Ezekiel Jackson used the regular uranage. Booker T's book end was a kneeling uranage.

Cena's finisher is nothing more than a standing fireman's carry slam

Triple H has a pretty unique finisher, as far as I know he invented the move. CM Punk used to use a top rope version of it, but it was the same move. CM Punk also uses a shitty version of the GTS and I'm pretty sure it was originated by a japanese wrestler. Can't remember his name for the life of me, pretty sure he spells his moniker with all caps though

Sheamus does the crucifix powerbomb, nothing special about it

Still wondering why RVD's splash is so much more effective than Eddie's or any one else's. He USED to put momentum in his swing and stretch out, but he's gotten lazy with it recently....probably the pot

 

[CobraVenom]

Yeah, I don't like that. Shelton was much more a company man, and WWE screwed him. I know many others have used it. But they could atleast wait a few months until people forget about it, and then use it.

The problem with this is that wrestling fans have very long memories. How long is long enough for wrestling fans to forget? The answer will always be not long enough.


I don't see a problem with MVP using the same move as Shelton did. As others have already said, moves are ripped off all the time.

 

[TokiRKO]

Yeah, I don't like that. Shelton was much more a company man, and WWE screwed him. I know many others have used it. But they could atleast wait a few months until people forget about it, and then use it.

....hasn't it been reported for over a year now that Shelton never tried in the ring? How does that make a company man? He's been getting backstage heat for a long time now for not wanting to do any thing. I may be wrong on this, but I'm fairly certain he's been getting a lot of heat for his work. May not be the exact way I worded it, if any one remembers exactly why he was getting heat, feel free to correct me

 

[RatedRPiedmont]

i do understand the copying of finishers or modifying of finishers is standard practices.

but,

he was JUST fired. a month ago. he held on for so long through so much crap and a month after he is gone someone else is using this same move. not a modified version. when i saw the spoilers and it said MVP had a new finisher, i watched the match to see it. When i saw it, i let out a what the f*$#?? it doesnt seem right

 

[Jaims]

First of all just for clarification, it's a variation of the Complete Shot, which is a reverse STO (a normal STO is what Shad does, for those of you interested).

Second of all, I always assumed that the wrestlers themselves chose their own finisher. If that's true, then everyone should be more angry at MVP than the WWE.

Third, it's not exactly the same. Yes it is essentially the same move, but MVP doesn't jump up, grab behind the head with both hands, and snap back quickly. He just sort of moseys on over, floats up with his right arm extended out, and flops backwards. If you didn't read between the lines, I think this finisher looks SUPER slow and unimpressive. I really disliked the playmaker, so this is a slight step up, but it is still pretty weak looking.

Ultimately, this is not WWE taking a jab at Shelton or anything like that. I think MVP chose this finisher because his old one was awkward and weird looking, he was moving to SD!, and he might be getting a massive heel push soon. So why not switch it up? I'm OK with him using this move, but he needs to make it look devastating. Shelton did a better job of working the move, but the opponent usually screwed it up bad. Like Dolph Ziggler taking a twist of fate incorrectly twice in the same match bad (look it up, it's hilarious). I think if people get ornery enough about it and MVP does get a heel turn, he'll probably just drop it and take up a new finisher.

 

[Sportsperson411]

I really don't see a problem with it, many other superstars use finishing moves that have been used before like Lashley using Simmons' dominator for a while, Booker using a modified Rock Bottom, many superstars using chokeslams, etc...plus I think it's a lot more believable finisher than the Playmaker, The Playmaker just took too long to set up and didn't look good or believable, it was more of a signature, but with the 305, it looks more believable and MVP can now pull it out of no where for a victory, which helps him more. I honestly doubt it was a jab towards Shelton either because MVP was in dire need of a new finisher anyways.

 

[3,000 Pound Gorrilla]

Ok, as stated multiple times above... everyone dabbles in the same moves. There are only a limited number of moves each superstar (depending on his size and in-ring ability) can pull off, look believeable, and NOT hurt someone.

I think every thread I have read about finishers, MVP's comes up on the CRAP list. So, the guy tries something new and now here we are saying he ripped off Shelton. If he did a variation of the Rock Bottom, would he be ripping off Rock? Let's not be fickle people. MVP is a star who cannot find/stay in his own niche. Give the guy a break. Shelton is gone because he just never "became" so to speak. MVP is still here trying to step up his game. I don't care for him personnally... but at least we don't have to see him do the Playmaker anymore... And there you have it.

 

[Grizzly0u812]

you guys want to talk moves being copied how about michelle mc-cool using the style clash that AJ Styles uses, Jake the snake roberts DDT which Sting used but it was reversed, instead of dropping you on the front of your head sting drops you on the back of your head.

moves are always being copied and called your own, walls of jerico used to be put on and tilted a bit now it just looks like a boston crap, stener recliner is just a camel clutch from the iron sheik, figure 4 leg lock, playboy buddy rogers I think used it and then copied by rick flair, superstar billy gram with tie die and doing the posing, hogan and jessie ventura both copied things.

coping is one thing, pulling it off smoothly is a different thing

 

[goldbergiswrestling]

Triple H has a pretty unique finisher, as far as I know he invented the move. CM Punk used to use a top rope version of it, but it was the same move. CM Punk also uses a shitty version of the GTS and I'm pretty sure it was originated by a japanese wrestler. Can't remember his name for the life of me, pretty sure he spells his moniker with all caps though

The Pedigree is a modified tiger driver.

I dont care if MVP uses Sheltons move, nobody complained when batista, lashley and edge all used a spear

 

[Sgt Ledbetter]

when i see MVP doing his new finisher it looks like a "non-athletic version" of Paydirt. SHelton Benjamin is an athlete, MVP isnt. He is a shitty basketball player which really makes me not take him seriously when all his gimmicks are basketball related. This might start an entire new argument but.....SHELTON BENJAMIN WOULD HAVE BEEN PERFECT FOR THE MVP GIMMICK...In my opinion

 

[cohawk]

Sheamus does the crucifix powerbomb, nothing special about it

This was also the Razor's/Outsider's Edge used by Scott Hall, as well as the forgotten Kevin Thorn (Mordecai).

 

[resin8]

In terms of wrestling fans having a great memory - yeah, we do, except for when we don't. We remember things, but don't always remember from where we acquired the information.

Case in point - I seem to remember Hurricane (Helms) complaining, while he was still out recovering from neck surgery, about Chris Jericho's return with the Codebreaker, when Helms had been using the move, or a similar move, for while.

That's "stealing" a finisher while the guy's still with the company, and out with an injury. If all of the above isn't cool, what's this considered?

Personally, I don't know if it's a matter of the company's choices in suggesting these finishing moves, or the wrestlers proposing them themselves and the company aggressively or ignorantly approving the choices.

But you know, hey, it happens. And if you can't do it as nicely as the guy you've just yoinked the move from, well, the only person you're making look bad is yourself.

 

[wushady]

I don't have a problem with wrestlers have used moves done by someone else for as long as can remember. I don't think it was a slap in the face to Benjamin wrestlers come up with their own finishers. I'm pretty sure they're friends so maybe he's doing it to honor his friend.

 

[tnarage2]

The Pedigree is a modified tiger driver.

Actually the pedigree is a double underhook facebuster.


Anyways alot of people has used the same finishers for years . It's rare now in days to invent a new finisher now in days.

 

[Infamous_Enigma]

Lets be honest... about 80% of moves you see now are in one way or another stolen or modified. whether that its in TNA/WWE is not the point, You really cant stop it. Go to youtube or wherever you watch your videos and look and old and new japan wrestling. Its amazing and full of(back then) original moves. Cm punks main moves are stolen from multiple people, Anaconda vice=Hiroyoshi Tenzan. GTS=Kenta. Running Knee in the corner=Samoa Joe In ROH. Sheamus' stole His finisher from Razor ramon/Scott hall. Michelle mccool stole The angels wings from Christoper daniels and Styles clash from AJ styles. John morrison stole starship pain from AJ's Spiral Tap. I could do this forever but i dont got that kinda time. The only place i see original moves in ROH and samoa joes muscle buster. But lets be honest, you can be abducted hundreds of time, go on a nation of violence and destroy everyone in your way BUT... if your man boobs flop when you hit the ground, your move is instantly Hilarious and i love samoa joe. Im not saying... Im just saying.

 

[Decarow]

It's a running STO. STO's are very frequent.

If Shelton didn't want anybody to use it, he should have patented it. Oh wait, he didn't invent it so it doesn't matter.

What does MVP call it? The Play of the Day? The commentators didn't do a really good job of acknowledging it as a new move. It would've been a lot better if they were like "That's MVP's new move! Uh oh!" instead of shouting "The play of the day!" like he's always used it.

 

[NthDegree23]

Actually, I like the "Play of the Day." I initially took umbrance to the fact that MVP was using it, and, granted, he is using it to soon, but he needed a new finisher. Shelton did a more realistic version of it, but in my opinion, it actually wasn't as good as the way MVP now does it. Shelton's was crazy quick and impressive, but it was too quick. The audience never reacted well, and it was often botched. MVP does it slower and with more flash. While he doesn't jump as high and Shelton did technically do it "better" (IE: more athletically), it still connects more with the audience than Paydirt.

I do, however, think it's ironic that they've given Montel a variation of the reverse STO, since he's been said to have a "Kennedy (Anderson) syndrome."

By the by, I think Judas Messias used the move first, so Shelton is a thief face as well.

 

[Ruthless-RKO]

It doesn't matter, as long as he can use the finisher to win matches, why not use it, there are a lot of past finishers wwe bring back...Why create new ones, when you can use one that hasn't been used in a while..IMO mvp uses it well..

He could go far with this finisher..

Some posters are saying it's called the play of day, wasn't it first called the 305, i think its a much better name and goes with his name..

 

["Cool Guy" Jensen]

You know, I did notice this and I must say that it realyl upset me from the very moment I saw it. I was such a huge Shelton Benjamin fan and I really have absolutely no idea why WWE would just fire him like that. As loyal as he's been these past 8 years, all he's done for the company, and now he's fired. Damn the WWE.

Now, as far as the finisher goes... I always thought the "Paydirt" was a horrible finisher. The "Drive-by Kick" seemed more like a setup for a better move, when it wasn't. And if using the "Paydirt" confuses me. Of all the other finishers that the WWE could have chosen for him, I don't know why they chose that.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

Funny, when I started reading this thread, I thought it was going to have something to do with how terrible of an idea it is to have JTG and MVP as a tag team. Ya know, just throw the two (random) black guys together, that always works. Racist Assholes.

But yes, this finisher is terrible...just as bad as PayDirt was, maybe worse because at least Shelton could get up there. Not sure if WWE is lazy in creating finishers, or if it's the wrestlers (not saying either way, actually curious as to who makes that decision). I didn't like the Drive By Kick, or whatever he has been calling it lately, but this is just as bad. I was always disappointed in this move being Shelton's finisher. He is so freakishly athletic, I thought he could have easily come up with something better.

But, to be honest, I'm not sure anything is going to work for MVP at this point in his career. He seems to be on a downward spiral for the last couple of years, and I'm not sure he can climb out of it. But even if that's true, I would like to see him come up with a better finisher. I'm not sure what could work for him, but just about anything is better than the revised PayDirty.