So.... Roethlisberger ahead of Peyton, Sanchez at fucking 7, and no Phillip Rivers? Do you watch football?
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So.... Roethlisberger ahead of Peyton, Sanchez at fucking 7, and no Phillip Rivers? Do you watch football?
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
I revised my list and put Rivers at 5.
He had zero running game for almost the whole season and still put up huge numbers while leading his team to a SB. Rivers was the starting qb for arguably the most disappointing team in all of football alongside the Vikes and Cowboys. This year wasn't Rivers fault by any means and he had a great season but right now I put him slightly behind Rodgers.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
Why should Manning be the top two quarterback in every list? I take regular season and postseason play into account when I rank elite quarterbacks. Roethlisberger constantly makes more plays and wins big games especially in the postseason more than Manning has. If I want to win a football game, I'll take Roethlisberger over Peyton with no hesitation at all.
Stormtrooper
Championship Contender
Honestly I wouldn't even wait 3 years. He could jump to elite level in 2012, or even 2011, if all goes right. Josh Freeman is playing mighty well in Tampa Bay.
The only reason I wouldn't guarantee top-10 would be because who's to say that he'll be an elite QB but there will be 10 other QBs more elite.
Because Roethlisberger constantly has better overall teams around him then Manning. A qb can't carry a team to a SB victory it takes an overall team effort. Big Ben has had multiple below average playoff performances including one of his SB's against Seattle but his team has carried him to victory. The Steelers can win even if Ben plays bad. The Colts go as Peyton does. Peyton and Brady are the top 2 qb's in the league, hands down, no questions asked.
I also agree with everyone about Freeman. I have him at 13 right now but only because it has just been one year. With a repeat performance next year he could easily be in the top 10.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
How about Peyton's first Super Bowl? The defense more than certainly carried him to that one.
1. Peyton played very good in that SB. He completed 66% of his passes for 247 yards 1 td, just 1 pick, and he led the offense to 22 points. All of that came against one of the better defenses in the last decade. The game before he led a huge comeback against the Patriots in the second half. The only horrible game he had in those playoffs was against the Ravens but playing bad against that D happens.
2. You're making my point for me in terms of the fact that it takes a team effort to win a SB.
Cena's Little Helper
Mid-Card Championship Winner
Here's my top ten:
1) Peyton Manning
2) Philip Rivers
3) Tom Brady
4) Aaron Rodgers
5) Drew Brees
6) Ben Roethlisberger
7) Tony Romo
7) Eli Manning
9) Josh Freeman
10) Michael Vick
1) Peyton Manning
2) Philip Rivers
3) Tom Brady
4) Aaron Rodgers
5) Drew Brees
6) Ben Roethlisberger
7) Tony Romo
7) Eli Manning
9) Josh Freeman
10) Michael Vick
I'd say the two are about as dead even as Brady and Manning are (only a few spots lower) but Rodgers is a more versitile QB (2nd best scrambler behind Vick) and throws well even in shitty weather GB. Not that weather should be a factor, but it is tougher to throw well when the conditions are poor. Plus, he's had that great postseason performance (vs. ATL this year) while Rivers has been good, but not great, in the postseason.
As for mine:
1. Brady
2. Manning
3. Roethlisberger
4. Brees
5. Rodgers
6. Rivers
7. Manning
8. Vick
9. Romo
10. Ryan
11. Flacco
12. Cutler
13. Cassel
14. Freeman
15. Sanchez
16. Schaub
17. Campbell
18. McNabb
19. Bradford
20. Garrard
21. Palmer
22. Orton
23. Fitzpatrick
24. Hasselbeck
25. Henne
Jurys still out on: Stafford (who I think would be up there if he could ever stay a little more healthy); McCoy, Clausen, Kolb (if he could get some time he'd be up there), Tebow, anyone from SF or Arizona.
Little Jerry Lawler
Sigmund Freud On Ritalin And Roids
We'll see how good Cassel is when Weis is gone.
Roethlsberger over Manning? ***** you MUST be high.
Big Ben is really overrated from the looks of this thread. He could not show up for next week's game and the Steelers would have about the same chance of winning they do with him. He's inaccurate, rushes plays, and he'll never be on the same elite level as MVP-caliber QBs like Brady and Manning.
awesomeisthemiz
Dark Match Winner
I dont think Carson Palmer better than David Garrard OR Ryan Fitzpatrick. Even though Garrard is god awful and barely threw the ball cause of MJD, his team didnt go 4-12 with two Very good recievers. Fitzpatrick had a decent year, yeah his team sucked but Id have that guy my QB over Garrard anyday lol At least Tebows not on there
As long as they don't totally fuck up the offense that they have now (i.e: run first, don't make bad decisions) Cassel will have another bad year. I think he was only 2nd to Brady in TD-INT ratio, and that's something that can't be sneezed at.
Roethlisberger can do things that Brady, Brees, and Manning can't do, and that's keep plays alive. Sometimes, it comes and backfires. But other times he'll make plays like the one that he did on the 3rd and 12 during their opening drive Sunday. Brady and Manning won't scramble for a first down. They would've fallen down and kicked the FG. Plus, he'll always seem to make the clutch throws (like the one to seal the deal last week). not that Manning or Brady couldn't, but Roethlisberger deserves to be up there.
Does having their defense help? Yes. But, while the statlines don't show it, he does play some good games.
Nonsense. There's nothing Ben can do that Brady and Manning can't do better. I thought you were a Pats fan? I've seen Brady keep countless plays alive and do things no other QB can over the last 10 years.
Again not true, Brady isn't afraid to scramble for the first down if there's nothing downfield and he has some room to run. He's not exactly Michael Vick but I've seen him scramble for the first down many, many times in the past and this past season. Normally he'll look for the pass first always, but he isn't afraid to run it in if he needs to.
If there's one thing Brady and the Pats don't do, it's be conservative and kick FGs when they don't have to. They'll constantly go for it on 4th down. Very, very rarely does Belichick settle for a FG, it's one of the few things that have pissed me off about him during his tenure here.
He does, definitely, but he's just absolutely not on the same level as a Brady or Manning. You're not going to see Big Ben throw 6 TDs in a game like he was playing catch in the backyard with some school children, but I've seen Brady and Manning do it many times. He's Top Ten for sure, arguably top five, but he's never going to go down as one of the greatest of all time. Much like Bradshaw he'll be remembered for winning championships as a part of a great team, but not because of his stellar MVP-like play that you think of with guys like Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady.
Goliath Uterus
Getting Noticed By Management
He's loads better at escaping pressure and extending a play... There's really no denying that.
IrishCanadian25
Going on 10 years with WrestleZone
So let me see if I get this straight...
You want to wait until Aaron Rodgers wins a Super Bowl to make the top 5...but Michael Vick who has played only 2 seasons (1 as a backup, 1 as a starter) since being put in prison has never won one, and he's in your top 5.
IrishCanadian25
Going on 10 years with WrestleZone
I think you're underrating Brady and over rating Eli.
Cena's Little Helper
Mid-Card Championship Winner
I'm not underrating Brady, I'm just correctly rating Rivers. Rivers could have two pieces of shit as his starting receivers and he'd still be amazing. He's easily this generation's Dan Marino.
I am a Pats fan, man, but you're bias against Big Ben if you don't think he does a better job at keeping plays alive then Brady or Manning. Especially Manning, who I've seen fallen down when a guy has gotten a hand on the jersey. Both Brady and Manning are better at disecting defenses and making the throws in the right spot, but there are times when I've seen Brady just take a sack and fall down instead of getting the big hit against him (which sometimes is better to do).
Possibly, but if there's nothing there, he'll sometimes wait and try to fit something into a tight window. It doesn't happen often (rarely, actually) but he'll be prone to making a couple of bad decisions in a game. Roethlisberger is more likely to take off because of his big frame and him diving forward for the first down, instead of sliding like most QBs.
In that situation I think they would've. 4th and 12, after a long opening drive, and no points? I know Belichick has made some ballsy decisions, but that would be taking a risk too early.
I agree, he won't go down as the best ever. But right now, with what this list is based on, I wouldn't say it's wild to put Big Ben just ahead of Manning. Yes, Manning has less to work with. Yes, his defense is much worse. But Big Ben does an awesome job at staying in the game and Manning is reaching 35, not a time when guys normally hit their prime.
All time, Big Ben might be top 10. But, this isn't an all-time list. I'd only have Brady over Big Ben right now, because Big Ben is getting that reputation as a clutch player that Brady had a few years ago (and has lost a tad since his injury).
Goliath Uterus
Getting Noticed By Management
A Pats fan? What about the Lions?
Sometimes taking the sack is the better play than trying to "extend the play" though. That's what results in Ben being turnover prone. He almost lost the Steelers that game against the Jets with some very bad throws trying to extend plays and escape pressure.