Rank the NFL QB's - Let's Settle It

1. Peyton Manning
2. Ben Roethlisberger
3. Tom Brady
4. Drew Brees
5-tied. Phillip Rivers
5-tied. Mike Vick
7. Eli Manning
8. Matt Ryan
9. Aaron Rodgers
10. Joe Flacco
11. Donnovan McNabb
12. Tony Romo
13. Matt Schaub
14. Mark Sanchez
15. Jason Campbell

Ben...above Brady? There isn't even a word for how unbelievably incorrect and false of a statement that is.

I don't get the love of Tom Brady. He's top 5, elite for sure, but he isn't the best. Peyton Manning is the best QB in the NFL, and there is no disputing that for me, coming from a Steeler fan who hates Manning and the Colts.

How is Manning better? Less records than Brady, less wins than Brady, less championships than Brady. How is Manning better than Brady "indisputable"? It's the most disputed argument in all of football and has been for years now. Everyone's list should be Brady and Manning in the top 2, doesn't matter what order, but they are the two best QBs in the league and both will go down in the Top 5 QBs of all time. They're a step above everyone else in the league.
 
Ben...above Brady? There isn't even a word for how unbelievably incorrect and false of a statement that is.



How is Manning better? Less records than Brady, less wins than Brady, less championships than Brady. How is Manning better than Brady "indisputable"? It's the most disputed argument in all of football and has been for years now. Everyone's list should be Brady and Manning in the top 2, doesn't matter what order, but they are the two best QBs in the league and both will go down in the Top 5 QBs of all time. They're a step above everyone else in the league.

Statsare only a part of my criteria. Overall, my list is compiled by who I'd prefer to have on my team playing fothe QB position. And for me, Peyton Manning is that guy. He is the best for me. I don't think Brady is that good. He is elite, but he is not the single best.
 
Yeah because Vinatieri just kicked those Field Goals from their own 20 yard line, right? Oh wait...Brady drove them down the field both times in less than 2 minutes so they could kick those field goals. It's what defined him as such a clutch player.

New England's Defense held Carolina in check throughout the entire first half of the Superbowl, and it wasn't until Carolina came on strong in the second half that Brady was actually apart of anything meaningful in that specific Superbowl.

As for driving them down field - anytime a GW-FG is made, most of the time it's because the QB drove the team into that position to win. So, how you can say Big Ben hasn't done that just the same, is beyond me.

Without Brady the Pats never win those Super Bowls.

And without Big Ben, the Steelers would've lost some critical games as well. Shit man, the recap of the Packers/Steelers game shows exactly how important Big Ben is to that team.

Without him, the Steelers don't have a reliable QB to help manage their games when the Defense lets them down. (not often, but it happens)

Combo of stats, wins/losses and clutchness.

Thank you. I'll compile a list based off this - in this order, hopefully.

I'm really confused as to how people are putting Brees over Brady. In what way is Brees better than Brady? What can he possibly do that Brady can't do just as well if not better?

For me, it's because Brees has been more relevant in the previous years than Brady.

Brady has missed an entire season just two years ago. Brees has won a Superbowl recently. Kinda makes you put the guy with a ring, more recently, over the guy still living in the early part of the decade.

And yes, yes, Brady has more rings. But it falls into a "what has he done lately" catagory for me.

What's with this consensus that Schaub is a top 10 quarterback. Time and time again, I've seen him come up small when the game is on the line.

This angers me, actually. Schaub is looked at as this good-sometimes great QB, who deserves a starting job. He was a career back-up behind Michael Vick, when Vick was worse.

Yeah, he puts up impressive numbers in Houston, to a Superstar WR. Kyle Orton put up similar large numbers to less impressive WR(s) in Denver and gets no similar amount(s) of respect.

Schaub is awful to me. Won't be making a Top 10 on my list anytime soon.

ITT: Everyone defends the quarterback of their favorite football team.

No. Most, but not everyone. Infact, all season I have shit on Jimmy Clausen and will continue to do so until he wins more than 1 game as a starter - and is more of a reason why. He's overrated as fuck, and even without top talent at the WR position, it's still no excuse to not be able to 1.) Throw the ball away without directly throwing a pick, 2.) Check down to a TE or RB before taking a sack 5-10 seconds after the snap.
 
1. Tom Brady
2. Manning
3. Brees
4. Ben
5. Rodgers
6. Vick
7. Matt Ryan
8. Rivers
9. Sanchez
10. Eli
11. Flacco
12. Cassell
13. Shaub
14. Freeman
15. Jay Cutler
16. Romo
17. Kyle Orton
18. Bradford
19. Matthew Stafford
20. Hasselbeck
 
A Pats fan? What about the Lions?

Lions fan at heart, always will be. But I'm a big fan of Brady.

Big Ben top 10 all-time? No way brother. Off the top of my head...

Brady, Manning, Montana, Aikman, Marino, Elway, Young, Favre, Tarkenton, Unitas, Bradshaw, Staubach, Starr there's 13 better all-time than Ben.

Should've clarified, when he retires he could be in that discussion. Right nonw, obviously not, but with 4 rings and some nice seasons he could be up there in top 15.

ITT: Everyone defends the quarterback of their favorite football team.

I can't defend a guy that has only played 13 games in 2 years. Even if he looked really good this year.
 
Without him, the Steelers don't have a reliable QB to help manage their games when the Defense lets them down. (not often, but it happens)

Since 2005 the Steelers are 6-5 when Big Ben doesn't start. That includes going 3-1 at the start of this year when Ben was suspended. If you sit Peyton Manning for any amount of games, the Colts are likely to lose all of them.
 
Not even X. I am a Raiders fan and hate Jason Campbell. I hate Bruce G too...Come to think of it I havent liked a Raider QB since Gannon.

Allow me to revise my statement then.

ITT: Everyone defends the quarterback of their favorite team (unless that team/quarterback suck)
 
Not even X. I am a Raiders fan and hate Jason Campbell. I hate Bruce G too...Come to think of it I havent liked a Raider QB since Gannon.

Ah Rich Gannon, used to be a huge fan of his for some reason when he was with the Vikes. Old Whiskey Wade Wilson was my favorite though.
 
1. Tom Brady
2. Peyton Manning
3. Ben Roethlisberger
4. Drew Brees
5. Aaron Rodgers
6. Philip Rivers
7. Michael Vick
8. Matt Ryan
9. Joe Flacco
10. Matt Schaub
11. Tony Romo
12. Mark Sanchez
13. Jay Cutler
14. Eli Manning
15. Sam Bradford
16. Matt Cassel
17. Josh Freeman
18. Matthew Stafford
19. Donovan McNabb
20.Carson Palmer
21. Matt Hasselback
22. Kyle Orton
23. Ryan Fitzpatrick
24. David Garrard
25. Chad Henne


I put Manning at two because he's dealt injury after injury and still makes the best of it. It wasn't him that let his team down in the playoffs, it was the defense.

Roethlisberger ahead of Brees is slight hometown bias but mostly because he's headed to his third Super Bowl in 6 seasons. He's the best clutch QB in the league.

I put Vick ahead of Flacco and Ryan because he's likely the comeback player of the year and will finish second as Offensive Player of the Year. He was absolutely brilliant most of the season.

Sanchez really showed me something in the playoffs and it wasn't only his defense hat lead them to the AFC championship game this year. He almost lead the Jets back from a 24-0 deficit against perhaps the best defense in the league in Pittsburgh.

I could see Sam Bradford moving into the top 10 next year if he continues to make progress the way he did in his rookie season.

I refuse to believe that Donovan McNabb is done the way Mike Shanahan tried to convince us in Washington. I think he was a glaring ommission from your list. He's only 34. He had no playmakers at the skill positions around him.

Matt Hasselback when healthy showed that he can still be a top 20 QB, as evidenced in the Seahawks playoff win against the Saints.

Ryan Fitzpatrick was better then David Garrard in 2010 despite having less talent surrounding him.
 
I could see Sam Bradford moving into the top 10 next year if he continues to make progress the way he did in his rookie season.

Ryan Fitzpatrick was better then David Garrard in 2010 despite having less talent surrounding him.

1. Bradford had a nice rookie season but he has to make a ton of progress to be considered near the top 10. The Rams offense was easily the most conservative out of any team this season. If he improves his numbers and does it with a much more open offense like he will have with Josh McDaniels then he could be considered.

2. Garrard is a very underrated qb and he outperformed Fitzpatrick this year. Their stats were nearly identical except for the fact that Garrard had a much higher completion % and also a higher yard per attempt average. When it comes to talent Garrard has the running game advantage with MJD but Fitzpatrick certainly had better receivers with Steve Johnson and Lee Evans.
 
1. Bradford had a nice rookie season but he has to make a ton of progress to be considered near the top 10. The Rams offense was easily the most conservative out of any team this season. If he improves his numbers and does it with a much more open offense like he will have with Josh McDaniels then he could be considered.

2. Garrard is a very underrated qb and he outperformed Fitzpatrick this year. Their stats were nearly identical except for the fact that Garrard had a much higher completion % and also a higher yard per attempt average. When it comes to talent Garrard has the running game advantage with MJD but Fitzpatrick certainly had better receivers with Steve Johnson and Lee Evans.

I dont know if conservative is the right word for the Rams offense since Bradford threw over 40 times 6 games in his rookie season. He even threw over 50 times in his first NFL game, I believe. I know alot of them were 2 and 3 step drops but anytime a QB throws as much as Bradford did, its hard to call them conservative.

Stevie Johnson is the better No 1 receiver then Mike Thomas in Jax but Sims-Walker is better then the aging Evans. Ill agree that Garrard was the more consistent QB while Fitzpatrick either had humungous games or completely bottomed out. I could flip flop the two in the rankings, I just feel Garrard needs a change of scenery to truly be successful.
 
Why?, he's the best QB that team has had in years, Jason Cambell is a decent QB that has just had the misfortune of playing for shit teams that refuse to give him anyone decent to throw the ball to, AL Davis goes out and gets this guy and legit #1 WR and Campbell will be able to take this team somewhere

Al Davis was interviewed a few days ago about his drafting the last few years and said he regrets taking Jamarcus Russell. When asked about the alternative, Calvin Johnson, he said he doesn't think Johnson is doing much in Detroit. That further drives home the point that Davis is senile because Calvin has had great succes with not much help and is easily a top 5 reciever and top 2 in my opinion. With Calvin the Raiders would have won 10 games and been in the playoffs this year.
 
Not even X. I am a Raiders fan and hate Jason Campbell.

Why?, he's the best QB that team has had in years, Jason Cambell is a decent QB that has just had the misfortune of playing for shit teams that refuse to give him anyone decent to throw the ball to, AL Davis goes out and gets this guy and legit #1 WR and Campbell will be able to take this team somewhere
 
I dont know if conservative is the right word for the Rams offense since Bradford threw over 40 times 6 games in his rookie season. He even threw over 50 times in his first NFL game, I believe. I know alot of them were 2 and 3 step drops but anytime a QB throws as much as Bradford did, its hard to call them conservative.

Stevie Johnson is the better No 1 receiver then Mike Thomas in Jax but Sims-Walker is better then the aging Evans. Ill agree that Garrard was the more consistent QB while Fitzpatrick either had humungous games or completely bottomed out. I could flip flop the two in the rankings, I just feel Garrard needs a change of scenery to truly be successful.

5 of the 6 games Bradford threw over 40 passes were losses so a lot of those were because they needed to come from behind. By conservative I mean the types of throws not necessarily the amount. He was never put in a position to make a lot of tough throws. His yards per attempt average on the season was just 5.95 which was good for 30th in the league. Jimmy Clausen was the only eligible qb behind him in that stat category. I don't see how you can have Bradford ahead of Cassell and Freeman when both had far better seasons and led their teams to better records.

Sims-Walker had his breakout season last year and fell right back off this year. No way is he better then Lee Evans. It's hard to argue for Mike Thomas even being better then Lee Evans until Thomas puts together back to back good seasons, something Sims-Walker couldn't do.
 
I seriously wish the NFL could force Al Davis out:disappointed:

His face seems to be melting away at a nice pace.

This is the only post I've read, so I'm not sure what the discussion is like now. But I must point out that David Garrarbage is WAAAAAAAAAY too high on this list.

Jags fans are way too hard on Garrard. He has never had a qb rating below 80, never had a completion % below 60, never thrown more int's then td's. The guy isn't an elite qb by any means but he is consistently solid and anyone having him outside the top 20 qbs in the league is crazy.
 
All this talk in the 'Cutler is a Pussy" thread. F that. Just rank them in here. I usually prefer these in the Sports section, but you're ranking a lot of people, so do it here so you can spam. This is the "as of today" list.



1. Tom Brady
2. Drew Brees
3. Peyton Manning
4. Aaron Rodgers
5. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Philip Rivers
7. Matt Ryan
8. Joe Flacco
9. Mike Vick
10. Matt Schaub
11. Matt Cassell
12. Mark Sanchez
13. Eli Manning
14. Tony Romo
15. Jay Cutler
16. Sam Bradford
17. Kyle Orton
18. Josh Freeman
19. Matthew Stafford
20. Kevin Kolb
21. Carson Palmer
22. David Garrard
23. Ryan Fitzpatrick

I miss anyone? Agree / disagree? Why?

This is the only post I've read, so I'm not sure what the discussion is like now. But I must point out that David Garrarbage is WAAAAAAAAAY too high on this list.
 
Since 2005 the Steelers are 6-5 when Big Ben doesn't start. That includes going 3-1 at the start of this year when Ben was suspended.

Week 1: Defeated Atlanta due to their Defense holding a hot offense to FGs. They forced Ryan to throw 44 times, completing just barely over half of his passes. Dixon did shit in that game.

Week 2: Defeated the Titans, who only had Chris Johnson. Forced 7 total turnovers. The Pittsburgh QB(s) passed a total of 17 times, completing 9 of those passes - for 43 yds (for some reason stats only say 21 yds though??) Either way.. not even 50. WOW, I'm sure much more from that in other games would've continued winning for them. :rolleyes:

Week 3: Defeated Tampa Bay, because of Chalie Batch. You get a point, congrats.

Week 4: Lost to Baltimore by a FG. Batch threw a pick, nothing else. In a rematch (IN Baltimore, mind you) Big Ben tossed up 226 yds and 2 TDs - no picks. Yep, I can see how you would think Ben doesn't make a big difference. :wtf:

If you sit Peyton Manning for any amount of games, the Colts are likely to lose all of them.

If Carolina's kicker didn't boot one outta bounds, setting the Patriots up at the 40 yd line in Superbowl 38, they might be Superbowl Champions. What's your point?

Peyton Manning doesn't have the Defense on the Colts that Ben has on the Steelers.. so yes, you sit Peyton and you lose the Offensive explosion.

However, as I've pointed out from the 3-1 games at the beginning of the season - Ben missing action isn't helping your team, so much as allowing luck to ride on their side. It was because of Ben that they won against Baltimore. It was because they didn't have him at the beginning of the year, as apart of the reason they lost.

So far, the only point you've made is Peyton doesn't have the Defense that Ben has. That doesn't by any means qualify Ben as being completely worthless to his team, or any less valuable at that position then the likes of Dennis Dixon or Charlie Batch.
 
Here are a couple more stats for you.

1. Ben Roethlisberger has the best win % of ANY Steelers QB. EVER. (Ben's is .718)

2. Ben Roethlisberger has the 2nd most passing yards (22,502 - behind only Terry Bradshaw)

3. Ben Roethlisberger is first in completion %, (63%) 2nd in TD's, (144 - trailing Bradshaw's 212) and 1st in QB rating. (92.5)
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To say he isn't an MVP for that team, at the QB position, is just plain stupid.
 
Week 1: Defeated Atlanta due to their Defense holding a hot offense to FGs. They forced Ryan to throw 44 times, completing just barely over half of his passes. Dixon did shit in that game.

Week 2: Defeated the Titans, who only had Chris Johnson. Forced 7 total turnovers. The Pittsburgh QB(s) passed a total of 17 times, completing 9 of those passes - for 43 yds (for some reason stats only say 21 yds though??) Either way.. not even 50. WOW, I'm sure much more from that in other games would've continued winning for them. :rolleyes:

Week 3: Defeated Tampa Bay, because of Chalie Batch. You get a point, congrats.

Week 4: Lost to Baltimore by a FG. Batch threw a pick, nothing else. In a rematch (IN Baltimore, mind you) Big Ben tossed up 226 yds and 2 TDs - no picks. Yep, I can see how you would think Ben doesn't make a big difference. :wtf:

All 100% irrelevant. I'm just pointing out that the team can win games even with less talented qbs beacuse the rest of the team is that good. The 3-1 record this year and the 6-5 since 2005 without Ben proves that. I'm not saying the team is better off or even that good without Ben but there are a lot of guys out there that could make the playoffs with this Pitt roster. Ben is a tremendous qb but to say he is top 2 is ludicrous.
 
All 100% irrelevant. I'm just pointing out that the team can win games even with less talented qbs beacuse the rest of the team is that good. The 3-1 record this year and the 6-5 since 2005 without Ben proves that. I'm not saying the team is better off or even that good without Ben but there are a lot of guys out there that could make the playoffs with this Pitt roster. Ben is a tremendous qb but to say he is top 2 is ludicrous.

^THIS x 1000.

Big Sexy, you may as well throw relevance out the window. You're debating Will.

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Ben has going to his 3rd SBs in 6 yrs., and has won 2 already, a team can carry a sub-par QB to one SB, and win, however I don't recall a team carrying the same sub-par QB to multiple SB's, when needed Ben steps up big, when put in big games situations the guy makes the plays he needs to make, that's what puts him at #4 on my list

I hate the guy with a passion and want nothing more than to see him fail miserably, but I just can't see the team having the success they've had without Ben at QB

No one is saying Ben is a bad qb though. The 2 rings and a third appearance this year prove that. I personally had him at number 5 on my list. I'm just saying that of all the elite qb's Ben consistently has the best team around him. He is a great qb but no chance in hell is he deserving of a top 2 spot.
 

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