That's precisely my point, R-Truth can't be better than any of those ones, because they were build day by day, week after week.
I'm not disagreeing with you and never was. I'm siply trying to say that the original poster you were quoting was obviously not comparing R-Truth to The Rock or Chris Jericho on a basis of talent. You're clearly misunderstanding.
Look Truth his older than The Rock, and he still competes...
The Rock is actually older. But I digress. I'm simply trying to say that Truth is just as old as the two of them and that's the main reason why I don't think that he could be the face of the company, nor could the other two anymore. However, if he's going to stay around for a couple years, he might as well be used and not chucked away into nothingness. He's a talented and athletic performer in his own right and doesn't deserve a comparison to the greats such as The Rock or Jericho.
I think its very hard to give someone with his age a push that in my point he doesn't deserve.
Then who deserves it? He's not being handed the title and probably never will. But he's getting a good feud opportunity. Everybody needs to be part of a program as far as I'm concerned. I would prefer Ziggler or Punk to be at the top of the card, but right below them or if they are out of the question, R-Truth is the next most interesting character right now - as far as heels go. Drew McIntyre is bland. Jack Swagger is bland with a lisp. Mason Ryan is too green. That's basically everybody on the RAW roster who is of any interest to anyone.
Since he is part of the WWE he went from a good mid-carder (Drew McIntyre vs Truth) to a jobber in Superstars, to a Pro in NXT and suddenly he just destroyed the likes of Wade Barret, Jack Swagger, Zack Ryder, Alberto Del Rio, Sheamus etc...
You seriously just said Zack Ryder? Zack Ryder should never be put on that list. Ever. I love the broski and all but how can you say R-Truth pummelling him into nothing is a surprise?
Evolution was the most dominant force back in the days, they give us the idea that only a monster could stop him, and Batista was the only one capable of.
Dude. When Evolution was still in full-swing Triple H lost to a bunch of people. Chris Benoit, Shelton Benjamin and hell, probably even Maven. Batista wasn't the only guy that could beat him, he was just more believable in beating him - that doesn't mean that he was the only one who could, those are hugely different things.
Are you really saying that Y2J was bad for business?
From a money-making and rating-driven standpoint, yes. In a long-term situation, Chris Jericho is only going to be loved by the IWC. If he's a face, the general viewing public is uninterested in him. If he's a hell, children hate him and the IWC loves him. However, he's not somebody who could ever have been the face of the company.
The first Undisputed WWE Champion didnt sell merchandise?
Certainly not as much as some people. Everybody sells the merchandise that's offered, to a point - otherwise it wouldn't be offered. However, it's the guys that sell out constantly (barring Zack Ryder, obviously) who are the go-to guys for ruling the top of the card.
I can bet eith you that in the lowest years of Y2J career he could sell more merch that truth in his all career.
Point out where I said anything otherwise. I'm simply trying to point out that Jericho, while he is my absolute favourite wrestling personality of all time, is not the golden god he's made out to be. He had a pretty average career as far as top accolades go, before 2008. In fact, he had a vastly two-dimensional character for the 3 years between being at the top and his first leave of absence in 2005. It only started to get better as he was leaving and once he came back. Jericho is the best wrestler in the world but not a great draw.
To put that in perspective, my two other favourite wrestlers are Shawn Michaels and Randy Orton. Want to hear a fun fact? Every title reign either of them ever had was a ratings disaster too. Why do you think that both of their World Title reigns (in 2002 and 2004, respectively) were only a month long? Because the ratings went to hell when Orton and Michaels were given the ball.
Hell, Orton's title reign in 2004 was my favourite ever for a long time. But at least I can say it was a disaster. He wasn't ready, and neither was Jericho until about 2005.
I'm sorry but I dont really agree with that, because it is false!!
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. The great Undisputed Champion reign you're trying to use as proof
never existed. Please, rid yourself of your age and go watch Jericho's "incredible" reign as Undisputed champion. He was given the ball and fumbled. He was an inconsistent performer at that time and I can certainly attribute that to the pressure of being a young guy on top, so it's not entirely his fault - but it remains true that he wasn't the greatest champion ever. I love Chris, but I'm not going to sugarcoat his career to make it sound better.
Do you have any idea on how big Chris Jericho fans are?
I assume you mean loyal, and/or widespread. Do you have any idea how loyal a true fan of any wrestler is? Yoshi Tatsu fans are probably huge in numbers and loyalty. That doesn't make Tatsu a Hogan-esque drawing machine. Just a guy with fans.
It isnt even fair to compare Truth to Jericho, is a slap in Y2J face!!
I SAID THAT. It is not fair to compare them in terms of anything but age, which is exactly what I said to you to begin this conversation. Go back and read, junior.
He was such a threat, that look at him now...
I'm not trying to be mean, but here's (what is, hopefully) a helpful lesson in English. If you're going to quote something where I refer to two separate people as being threats to Triple H, don't say "he" in your reply and not mention who "he" is. I can't even reply to that without knowing if you're talking about Shelton or Orton.
One of the best top champions? Sheamus?? He wasnt nothing more than a "normal" boring champion and after that just a stupid champion that lost right after that against Orton.
As a big Orton fan, it doesn't hurt me to say that a lot of his title reigns were really bland and counter-productive - of his 6 WWE Championships, I would say 2 were good and 4 were...okay. Everyone knows how Cena's title reigns go over - like white rice. The only other people who held it other than Cena and Orton in the 5 years before Sheamus were RVD, Triple H, Edge, Hardy and Batista. Triple H shouldn't be holding the top title anymore. Edge was half-decent but getting overplayed. Hardy had an alright title reign, but it was lacklustre for something that took so long to be achieved. And, finally, Batista was old news by then. He was cool for a bit in 2005 & 2006 but there are more interesting guys now. Van Dam was the only truly great champion of the bunch and he managed to screw that one up for himself.
Between Wrestlemania 21 and December 2009, there were 9 guys who held the title other than Sheamus. Of the 9, 3 of them were pretty good champions and the other 6 were never all that incredible, to me. Sheamus brought something new to the table and was refreshing in a climate where 66% of the last 20 reigns were garbage. Nobody thought he was going to win and suddenly there he was, towering over Cena as the new champion. He had a good reign too, as far as looking like a strong champion went. He wasn't too much of a monster and wasn't a huge coward either. He was a really good heel champion. Only the first time though. The second time he was just fodder for Orton and a way to get the title off Cena and put some more heat on Nexus.
1) Yes, pretty sure that even with Kayfabe the only way he could win a championship is with a match or Money in The Bank!!
You misunderstand. I'm just trying to say that the context in which you can "attack someone from behind" is one where you have to suspend your disbelief and understand that anything can happen. All I'm trying to say is that we've seen that R-Truth has the capacity to be threatening. Plus, he's a heel so he's going to do the dirty thing when he can. If he was a face and attacking people from behind then I might agree with you. But heels are smart and take opportunities when they see them and that's a big part of what makes them a perceivable threat.
2) You are out of your mind, Sheamus was the best champion since 2005?
So The Miz was probably the best champion since 2000!!
Sheamus was the best all-around champion as far as being an interesting person to have the title since Van Dam in 2006 and I stand by that. Hardy was an IWC dream, but Van Dam was much more redeeming.
But Miz being the best since 2000 is a stretch, don't go putting words in my mouth. The Miz was really good, and probably better than Sheamus, all things considered, but in the 11 years between 2000 and now literally every top guy and all the best champions held that title. There is no way Miz would even be in the Top 5, perhaps not the Top 10. Since 2005 though, Miz is probably Number 1 or 2, with RVD and Sheamus being right up there. John Cena's original reign is probably the only one that can touch those, simply because (even as someone who's not partial to John) it was a moment that was given the perfect amount of time and capitalized on perfectly.
Sheamus was nowhere near Randy Orton reigns, Batista, Edge and Cena!!
If you argue with that you can make a poll!!!
What is a poll going to do? I have my opinions and I've clearly backed them up above. What other people think doesn't make me less right in my own eyes or wrong for having an opinion.
Now, you tell me why Orton, Batista, Edge or Cena had really good, interesting reigns and I might be able to make some agreements. Remember though, this is strictly WWE title. I can think of some reigns between 2005 and 2009 that were great over on the World Title side of things.
3) LOL since i had to take out almost everyone, i cant see really nobody!! That just proves that WWE is so much bigger than TNA,
If Trent Barreta signs with TNA he could probably be World Champion, a year after that!!
You're turning my question around. You say R-Truth can't make it to the top because he came from TNA, but who do you have to base that on? WWE isn't as prejudice as you claim. The only guy who ever left and came back actually won the World Title. R-Truth could at least get a top feud, by that logic.
As far as TNA's policy on giving the title to anyone with experience in WWE, I have nothing to say on that. TNA is not a viable wrestling company as far as I'm concerned.
AJ Styles had already been in the WWE, and guess what he was released!!
He worked a Velocity match with Hurricane before he was even a part of TNA, or should I say, was TNA. Styles is a top draw in ways similar to CM Punk and could absolutely be turned into something now. The way you've structured this is the same as saying CM Punk should never have been World Champion because in 2001 he had a bad match with Cabana in IWA: Mid-South. It's neither here nor there what Styles or anyone else was doing ten years ago, it matters what they've done since then and are doing now.
Look up Terra Ryzing - he's a 13 time world champion, you know. But I mean, since he never made it in WCW, he must suck.
Dont even try to compare the likes of AJ Styles to the likes of John Morrison (that is a mid-card)
Me comparing them is a mid-card? Okay...Seriously though, who is the person who's too good for that comparison? Their both pretty piss poor on the mic but excellent athletes. It's almost as if you're saying that unless you're born into the main event, you don't deserve to be there. If so, Styles wasn't born in and neither was anybody who's ever main evented. They all had to pay their dues in the mid-card too.
And to finish that argue, i just want to say that if WWE puts their most important strap to R-Truth while he is on RAW, I think he will spit in a lot of guys in the face!!
Rowdy Roddy Pipper is so much better than Truth on the mic, really like, no comparison and he has never been a world champion!!
My dear lord,
please point out where I ever said that R-Truth deserves to be champion? I firmly feel he would make a horrible champion. I do have faith in his abilities as a passing main-eventer and decent selection as a heel opponent for Cena for a couple months. But to win? Never.
Piper is neither here nor there. They dropped the ball, but that was almost 30 years ago. No matter how sad it is that it didn't happen, that doesn't change that it won't in the future either.
The day that R-Truth wins the strap, is the day that WWE will die!!
Just a little harsh.