Problem With Brock VS Punk

[CrucifiedRaven]

I disagree.

First:
The fact that you don't know how this will end is a good thing. That's the point. That's how it should be. Two top guys who can't afford to lose = good business. Enjoy it.

Second:
It's professional wrestling. They run the David v Goliath storyline all the time. Hogan vs Andre/Earthquake/Bundy/The Giant... Bret vs Yokozuna... Shawn vs Vader/Sid.... Having a normal size babyface overcome an indestructible monster is almost wrestling 101.

Hell, even as you mentioned Cena vs Lesnar. Cena and Punk have been linked together for so long as almost equals. Their match on RAW before WrestleMania was all about how Cena hasn't beaten Punk. So if Cena can believably beat Lesnar, so can Punk.

I'm getting tired of hearing about how it's not believable because of size.. Punk isn't as small as some people on here make him out to be. But more importantly.... It's fake. And it's happened countless times in the past. CM Punk should win and I bet he does.

 

[CmPunker]

If that were the case, guys like the Big Show would never lose.

Suspending disbelief is one of wrestling's great treasures. You can see a smaller guy upend a bigger one and cheer when it happens.

Punk can hold his own as a martial artist, too so it's not like this would be completely one sided in an actual fight. Besides, the story's what will sell this, not the catch-as-catch-can match they're not going to have.

2 different types of big men, u fool. there are those with agility, and those with no agility.. big show falls in the no agility category. in addition, brock lesnar has been booked like a fucking beast and he just looks way more fluid in the ring than big show.. hes also a real ufc fighter. how can anyone take cm punk's amateur mma seriously? hes also so sloppy in the ring and not athletic enough.. hes not even that fast in the 1st place and his finishers wont work against lesnar.

 

[Miz_Mark]

2 different types of big men, u fool. there are those with agility, and those with no agility.. big show falls in the no agility category. in addition, brock lesnar has been booked like a fucking beast and he just looks way more fluid in the ring than big show.. hes also a real ufc fighter. how can anyone take cm punk's amateur mma seriously? hes also so sloppy in the ring and not athletic enough.. hes not even that fast in the 1st place and his finishers wont work against lesnar.

Just have to weigh in here in defense of Big Show, because this is really not giving him the credit he deserves. Big Show damn sure has agility. For a 500 pound man his agility is amazing. Throw 9 inches of height and 200 pounds of mass on Lesnar and he won't move the same way anymore. No man his size moves as well as Show. If you want to give an example of a big man with no agility, try Khali. Show can go. And has also legitimately trained in boxing. As for taking Punk's MMA seriously, your opinion may be made up on that one, but by no means is everyone's. Lots of people do believe his skills are legit, there was just an interview posted on wrestlezone with the former Green Ranger who is, admittedly low tier, but a professional MMA fighter and he goes on record that people don't realize how legit Punk is. As for me, I have no idea whether Punk's skills would stand up in a real fight or not, but he absolutely has enough credentials and backstory for his MMA to stand up in a fake fight. As for saying Punk's finisher won't work on Lesnar, you saying it doesn't make it so. He's put down bigger men with the GTS, there's no reason he couldn't do the same to Lesnar.

 

[CmPunker]

Just have to weigh in here in defense of Big Show, because this is really not giving him the credit he deserves. Big Show damn sure has agility. For a 500 pound man his agility is amazing. Throw 9 inches of height and 200 pounds of mass on Lesnar and he won't move the same way anymore. No man his size moves as well as Show. If you want to give an example of a big man with no agility, try Khali. Show can go. And has also legitimately trained in boxing. As for taking Punk's MMA seriously, your opinion may be made up on that one, but by no means is everyone's. Lots of people do believe his skills are legit, there was just an interview posted on wrestlezone with the former Green Ranger who is, admittedly low tier, but a professional MMA fighter and he goes on record that people don't realize how legit Punk is. As for me, I have no idea whether Punk's skills would stand up in a real fight or not, but he absolutely has enough credentials and backstory for his MMA to stand up in a fake fight. As for saying Punk's finisher won't work on Lesnar, you saying it doesn't make it so. He's put down bigger men with the GTS, there's no reason he couldn't do the same to Lesnar.

he has used the gts on bigger men, like kane, but they looked sloppy as fuck..

 

[Miz_Mark]

He GTSed Taker who is bigger than Brock and it looked fine, he GTSed Rock, who isn't much smaller than Brock and it looked great

 

[CmPunker]

He GTSed Taker who is bigger than Brock and it looked fine, he GTSed Rock, who isn't much smaller than Brock and it looked great

my ass man.. his gts was undertaker was horrible..

the rock is a magnificent seller man.. i dont have faith that brock lesnar is as good of a seller as the rock. also, there is a huge size difference between lesnar and the rock. idk what product u have been fucking watching, but the rock is like 255 pounds and brock lesnar is like 300 pounds. 45 pound weight difference is a lot..

 

[Jack-Hammer]

As it pertains to the believability of Punk vs. Lesnar, I think Matt Striker said it best in an interview on Wrestlingheels Radio:

What are you basing your booking on? No one knows if that's going to happen. If it does, what do I think of it? Punk trains all the time. All the time, he's a gym rat. He loves every little thing. Brock could be the biggest strongest guy on the planet and I've met him and talked to him and he is, by the way, and believes that and will punch you in the face. It's not believable? Why not? Why not? Punk can hook something on Brock the same way BJ Pen could. UFC should let 175 pound guys fight 220 pound guys. I'd rather watch that than watch Heath Herring lay on someone. That's boring to me. I think Daniel Brian is master of heel hook. He could heel hook Kane in real life and the tendon will snap, so why isn't it believable.

"If you're a fan, you want to see CM Punk win because you can relate to Punk's size and life style because you don't pass a guy like Brock Lesnar waiting for the bus very often. So of course you're rooting for the underdog, you're rooting for Punk. Unless you are a guy that hates wise asses, loud mouths and always wants to smack the punk kids hanging out at the 7-11 all the time. Then you want to see Lesnar knock his head off."

Lesnar's bigger and stronger than Punk. In a 100% legit contest, Punk would be in trouble if he was going up against Lesnar in a strongman or bodybuilding event but that is no guarantee of victory in an actual fight. In my job as a corrections officer, more often than not, the guys we tend to keep an eye on the most are smaller guys. I've had to help break up fights in which someone smaller than Punk was wiping his ass with a 300 pound skinhead with arms like telephone poles.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

Jacky, see thats it.

Brock is a guy that has been built as a legit guy in this world of perception. But Brock isn't like any other monster. I've been saying this from my first post, Punk isn't believable enough in the ring wit Brock. Everybody who has gone up against Brock, be it Cena or H, are physically imposing, NOT Punk. This is a make believe world, not a shoot. And I don't believe in Punk. No matter what submission he has. No matter how much he hits the gym.

 

[CmPunker]

Jacky, see thats it.

Brock is a guy that has been built as a legit guy in this world of perception. But Brock isn't like any other monster. I've been saying this from my first post, Punk isn't believable enough in the ring wit Brock. Everybody who has gone up against Brock, be it Cena or H, are physically imposing, NOT Punk. This is a make believe world, not a shoot. And I don't believe in Punk. No matter what submission he has. No matter how much he hits the gym.

exactly man.. brock lesnar is not mark henry and he is not ryback. brock lesnar has it all, the booking, the mma skills, the physique, the facial expressions, the agility, the in ring skills, he has everything! i would keep lesnar away from punk because i dont want cm punk to get embarassed.. brock lesnar would either bury him or punk would bury lesnar, its not a good feud. both of them need wins. this is not a good year for cm punk (jobbed to rock, undertaker, and cena) and lesnar has been losing too much since returning (lost like 50% of his ppv matches, maybe more).. so putting 2 guys who desperately need wins in a feud is not a good idea.. but then who knwos what the monkey creative team is thinking? they are illogical bastards.

 

[I_Am_Electro_Boy]

I think a way to get round it is a steel cage match? Just a thought. I'm not saying Brock squashes Punk and then out of nowhere he escapes the cage. The match should be built around Punk outsmarting Brock, that's the best way to do it and in a steel cage match Punk doesn't have to pin Brock or make him submit, he just has to outsmart him. This also means neither men look weak, not that either men can really look weak. It also means Brock is in a cage which is what I've always thought WWE should do because everyone knows Brock has been successful inside a cage.

 

[#tamale]

The problem with the steel cage match is that it's your 1st match in the feud between Punk and Lesnar, and you are already using a high level gimmick match. Either the next match has to be a higher level gimmick match, or the feud will die. That's what happened with HHH/Lesnar. I say go with the No DQ match. It's worked for Lesnar. It's worked for Punk. Punk can put up a fight if weapons are involved.

 

[CmPunker]

The problem with the steel cage match is that it's your 1st match in the feud between Punk and Lesnar, and you are already using a high level gimmick match. Either the next match has to be a higher level gimmick match, or the feud will die. That's what happened with HHH/Lesnar. I say go with the No DQ match. It's worked for Lesnar. It's worked for Punk. Punk can put up a fight if weapons are involved.

seems like a good idea. to be honest this is the only way i can see punk winning. creative team isnt creative enough to come up with a smart way to make punk win, without lesnar looking weak. and they are also not smart enough vice versa

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

Now that Punk's biggest fan is gone, I think it's safe to come out guys.

After last night's beatdown you know what even when Punk was getting his shots in, I just don't see how I can digest Punk suspending disbelief for an entire match for me. I mean yes, I will get to see how it goes at SSlam but for me, I have no problem if the whole matchup is like last night's beatdown.

Punk has a chance if this is No DQ. Pull out all the stops, use everything, every weapon, piece of the ring to hurt Brock rather than your fists or forearms or kicks.

Otherwise, ye perception is reality and at the moment, Punk does look incredibly weak when in the same frame as Brock.

 

[Pay Per Ghost]

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Look at this and you'll realize why there is little suspension. Brock may not be the most prolific 'sports entertainer', but he exactly underlines why I have little hope for this.

Punk has done nothing in these weeks to really appeal as a threat.

 

[Revelations1]

I think there are several problems with the angle itself. Sure, the concept may not be the strongest, but that's not what I think is the major problems with the angle. I think the timeline of the whole thing was odd: they made them contenders to the tag titles, lose said match, amicably break up the tag team to failed short-term singles runs, threw them back together, and then broke them back up at MitB. I know storylines don't always get wrapped up 100%, but there was a lot of holes in this whole angle.

 

[5000]

It's kinda boring because becaue Lesnar's never there an it'sthe same brawl every time

 

[BestIntheWWE]

I think they just beat the crap out of each other at summerslam. Chairs, Tables, Steel steps, Kendo Sticks. There are a lot of weapons to be used. As far as the finish goes, I could see Brock getting to cocky which punk can take advantage of and hit the GTS, which puts Brock down for the 3. Brock could become enraged after the match and assault Punk. Paul Heyman and Brock can come out the next night and brag about how they "retired" CM Punk, which would lead to Punk's comeback and revenge.