The fact that this is a thread...Christ. People are so stupid. As Navi stated, Reigns got a huge push supposedly because he had the look. Now KO is getting a pretty big push, but wait...he doesn't look right. Forget the man's plentiful in-ring and on-mic skills or his natural ability to convey the emotion of the story with little effort at all. He's got a gut. For the love of Pete.
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WarroBODFan
Doink Stan
Only USA fans know who Kevin Steen is? Give me a break. Just because you don't keep up with what's going on in the world of wrestling outside of WWE, doesn't mean others don't.
HHH didn't need to make him into a badass, it came as a given. He was already a badass in terms of the way he carries himself, and also down to booking him correctly. You would know this with just a small bit of research.
Hollywood Naitch
The current reigning and defending
I fully expect WWE to keep pestering Owens to keep trying to lose some weight and tone up, as they'e done to numerous talents over the years. He definitely has got into better shape since joining NXT and I reckon he'll keep on toning up throughout his time in WWE. He'll never be ripped, but in 12 months I thik he'l be in better shape than he is now.
It doesn't really bother me that he has a gut, but if it is something that could possibly hold him back during his WWE career, then it would make sense for him try and tone up. It doesn't hold him back in the ring though, Owens is awesome and comes across as a legit bad ass who'll kick your head in....and that's what really matters.
I can't wait to see more of him on either NXT or the main roster.
It doesn't really bother me that he has a gut, but if it is something that could possibly hold him back during his WWE career, then it would make sense for him try and tone up. It doesn't hold him back in the ring though, Owens is awesome and comes across as a legit bad ass who'll kick your head in....and that's what really matters.
I can't wait to see more of him on either NXT or the main roster.
The Real Deal Nevielle
Dark Match Jobber
I know he is good but I don't see whats so special about him.
Before I post I just wanna say im not a wrestling rookie. I had to get a new name, I was on here with another name. Ive watched wrestling for 30 years so ive seen every type of wrestler. Just incase some say im only here to bash, and yes there are some that would say that.
Now, ive watched nxt all the time and seen Owens/steen since his signing. I like his powerbomb. but I watch his move set and I don't see "The next big thing" I can see him being a champion but not for the next year or year and a half. Of course he has major fan support and with Daniel Bryan's case you can see what that can do. He has charisma and charm oozing out of him but that's really it. I see sloppy ring work. I was told he had to cut back his move set to use this bad @$$ character. For him to have 15+ years and travel the world he should be better than what I see.
So I guess what im asking is his Indie career worthy of him having the nxt belt this quick and especially his main roster debut match be in a PPV and for the US title against John Cena?
Before I post I just wanna say im not a wrestling rookie. I had to get a new name, I was on here with another name. Ive watched wrestling for 30 years so ive seen every type of wrestler. Just incase some say im only here to bash, and yes there are some that would say that.
Now, ive watched nxt all the time and seen Owens/steen since his signing. I like his powerbomb. but I watch his move set and I don't see "The next big thing" I can see him being a champion but not for the next year or year and a half. Of course he has major fan support and with Daniel Bryan's case you can see what that can do. He has charisma and charm oozing out of him but that's really it. I see sloppy ring work. I was told he had to cut back his move set to use this bad @$$ character. For him to have 15+ years and travel the world he should be better than what I see.
So I guess what im asking is his Indie career worthy of him having the nxt belt this quick and especially his main roster debut match be in a PPV and for the US title against John Cena?
OYDK
King Of The Ring
It's all subjective isn't it? But if you're only basing your opinion off of Owens' NXT moveset and ring work, than you're missing out and should go research before making such a quick opinion. I'll just go over some of the moves that Owens used to use as Kevin Steen. Crossface, Sharpshooter, Package Piledriver, Steenalizer (go look it up, don't even know what to call it), F-Cinq( basically F-5), Corner Cannonball, Go Home Driver (again, look it up), Moonsault, Senton (Swanton) Bomb, Sitout Scoop Slam Piledriver, Spinning Leg Drop... and there's much more, but I'm tired of listing. Basically the guy can wrestle any style at 260 pounds... it's really incredible. He's had to DRASTICALLY cut his moveset in NXT and even then he is getting over with his natural charisma.
Owens has climbed the ranks in every promtion he's been in including CZW, Dragon Gate, PWG, and ROH. He's had classic matches against El Genrico (Sami Zayn), Chris Sabin, AJ Styles, Chris Hero, Adam Cole, Michael Elgin, Jimmy Jacobs, Shinsuke Nakamura, etc.
In my opinion, the guy is legit and has worked his ass off to accomplish what he has so far, but others may not feel the same.
Owens has climbed the ranks in every promtion he's been in including CZW, Dragon Gate, PWG, and ROH. He's had classic matches against El Genrico (Sami Zayn), Chris Sabin, AJ Styles, Chris Hero, Adam Cole, Michael Elgin, Jimmy Jacobs, Shinsuke Nakamura, etc.
In my opinion, the guy is legit and has worked his ass off to accomplish what he has so far, but others may not feel the same.
MartialHorror
Mid-Card Championship Winner
When I first saw Kevin Owens, I was like "That's it, seriously?".
However, it should be noted that I'm not the biggest fan of 'soft spoken' wrestlers. I prefer intensity in promos and considering that Owens seems to be pushed like he's Lesnar 2.0, it was just a weird contrast. Then I saw him wrestle and began to 'get it'. If anything, his soft spoken, almost serene style of speaking is much creepier when you know how violent he is in the ring. His moveset is simple, making him look more like a fighter than a wrestler, which is at least different.
Is he the next big thing? That depends...
I can see him being...well, like another Brock Lesnar, if they choose to book him that way. Or at the absolute least, a Rusev, for what that is worth. But will he be the next Cena? Probably not. Honestly, no one I've seen in NXT seems to be fitting that role. Neville is just as amazing in the ring as he is bland outside of it. Sami Zayn could fit the role, but I worry he can instead be the next Daniel Bryan. Maybe Finn Balor...
But the problem with NXT ironically is also one of its strengths, the shows are so short. It's hard to really show off a personality or deliver an epic promo with such little time to work with.
However, it should be noted that I'm not the biggest fan of 'soft spoken' wrestlers. I prefer intensity in promos and considering that Owens seems to be pushed like he's Lesnar 2.0, it was just a weird contrast. Then I saw him wrestle and began to 'get it'. If anything, his soft spoken, almost serene style of speaking is much creepier when you know how violent he is in the ring. His moveset is simple, making him look more like a fighter than a wrestler, which is at least different.
Is he the next big thing? That depends...
I can see him being...well, like another Brock Lesnar, if they choose to book him that way. Or at the absolute least, a Rusev, for what that is worth. But will he be the next Cena? Probably not. Honestly, no one I've seen in NXT seems to be fitting that role. Neville is just as amazing in the ring as he is bland outside of it. Sami Zayn could fit the role, but I worry he can instead be the next Daniel Bryan. Maybe Finn Balor...
But the problem with NXT ironically is also one of its strengths, the shows are so short. It's hard to really show off a personality or deliver an epic promo with such little time to work with.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
Well off the top, you're missing the second s in the word missing. You're also missing the 462784 other threads discussing this exact same thing.
I don't care how long you've been watching wrestling, if you think a move set is what makes a good wrestler, you don't understand wrestling. Most wrestling moves, especially "power" moves, are not even remotely difficult to execute. That isn't where the talent lies. The talent comes from getting people to care about what you're doing in the ring.
Owens, especially when paired with Zayn, makes you care about what's going on in the ring. Dude is an exceptional talent.
I don't care how long you've been watching wrestling, if you think a move set is what makes a good wrestler, you don't understand wrestling. Most wrestling moves, especially "power" moves, are not even remotely difficult to execute. That isn't where the talent lies. The talent comes from getting people to care about what you're doing in the ring.
Owens, especially when paired with Zayn, makes you care about what's going on in the ring. Dude is an exceptional talent.
Funny enough, seeing all these KO threads on here since Monday night, I have to say, after seeing his segment with Cena, that gut of his might prove to be golden for him.
My main gripe about him is his lack of height which, given the character he is portraying might hinder his ability to get over with the more casual fanbase.
That said, he seems quite good on the mic and his in-ring work also has been praised extensively by the majority, ntm, that Pop-Up Powerbomb is a thing of beauty and will be great to see as time goes on.
My greatest pity is that Daniel Bryan got injured, as it would have been awesome to see Daniel Bryan vs Kevin Owens for the IC title as his first feud, and think of how over a heel he would be on the Main Roster, had he been the one to put Daniel Bryan on the shelf.
Not quite a 'missed opportunity' but a tinge of regret, nevertheless.
My main gripe about him is his lack of height which, given the character he is portraying might hinder his ability to get over with the more casual fanbase.
That said, he seems quite good on the mic and his in-ring work also has been praised extensively by the majority, ntm, that Pop-Up Powerbomb is a thing of beauty and will be great to see as time goes on.
My greatest pity is that Daniel Bryan got injured, as it would have been awesome to see Daniel Bryan vs Kevin Owens for the IC title as his first feud, and think of how over a heel he would be on the Main Roster, had he been the one to put Daniel Bryan on the shelf.
Not quite a 'missed opportunity' but a tinge of regret, nevertheless.
Sounds like you do see something special in him. Isn't charisma what's important? Anyone can get some basic training and be able to execute some moves. Charisma is key.
I've seen Owens wrestle maybe two or three times so I don't really have an opinion yet, but is the NXT title really that important that a 15 year indy vet shouldn't have it so quickly? They probably want him on the main roster sooner rather than later so it may be now or never for that belt.
The Real Deal Nevielle
Dark Match Jobber
yup charisma is key, I gave him props on that. Charisma is either natural born, or worked on in acting class. You can tell his is natural born. But I asked am I missing something special? It takes WAY more than just charisma to be considered special.
Im not even saying he wont be special, in the future. Im just saying I don't see it now. apparently seeing all these threads since Monday im not the only one.
Regarding his 15+ years experience, there is such a thing as paying your dues in the company hes in now. Do you think all of the wrestlers in nxt just started wresting and don't have years of experience outside of nxt and don't deserve their shot?
Nate damac, except for this paragraph, im not gonna notice your grammar teaching certificate, cool? im here to discuss wrestling, not grammar, cool??
I have to agree. Vince will want him to look the part, even though he has the experience, mic skills and everything else you need to be a superstar in this industry.
Has anyone just thought for a minute, that he's naturally shaped that way? Maybe he'll never look like a Reigns or Cena, maybe he'll just always be a Foley double. I know people that have tried for years to lose weight, they do, and then they put it right back on, plus more. They end up fatter than they started out.
Not all of us are supermodels, and that's what makes us unique. Owens has what he needs to succeed, who gives a damm about his stomach. If all we're concerned about now is looks, then give Roman Reigns the title and let him hold it until the next Greek God comes along.
Roman Reigns say's Hi. He started what about 3 years ago, came up with the Shield and hasn't been on his own for even a whole year. But who main evented Wrestlemania this year, Reigns. After getting boo'd out of Philly for winning the Rumble.
So yes there are wrestlers in NXT that just started wrestling and have been given their shot. Owens with his experience, mic skills and natural charisma deserves at least a chance before he's thrown under the bus.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
I'm not correcting your grammar. I simply pointed out the irony in your botched thread title. I'm not a Grammar Nazi, I don't use correct grammar myself most of the time. However, just a bit of advice, it's impossible to take anyone seriously when they don't care to make sure that they at least spell things correctly. If you want your opinion to be taken seriously, you have to try to appear as if you're not a buffoon. All of your posts so far lead me, and I'm sure many others, to believe that you're a child because that's how you type. Seriously, what kind of device are you on? Doesn't everything have spellcheck these days?
As for the rest of your post, I think you severely underestimate how important charisma is for a wrestler. Some of the biggest names in wrestling got by almost solely on charisma. Just look at The Ultimate Warrior. He may have had 3 great matches in his entire career but his charisma is off the charts.
Not trying to compare the two, Owens obviously has a way to go. Merely pointing the importance of charisma.
The Real Deal Nevielle
Dark Match Jobber
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I completely understand the importance the importance of charisma, again that's why I give Owens props on that. and this post again is asking if there is something special about him. was Ultimate Warrior special his first match in WWF? no.. was Ultimate Warrior booked as the next big thing his first match in wwf? or even before his first match actually. considering Owens hasn't had an official debut main roster wwe match. No matter what history he has or even if he is good or not, nobody deserves their debut main roster match to be at a PPV against the face of the company for a US title. I give Triple H props for thinking outside the box but this is a little too far.
I completely understand the importance the importance of charisma, again that's why I give Owens props on that. and this post again is asking if there is something special about him. was Ultimate Warrior special his first match in WWF? no.. was Ultimate Warrior booked as the next big thing his first match in wwf? or even before his first match actually. considering Owens hasn't had an official debut main roster wwe match. No matter what history he has or even if he is good or not, nobody deserves their debut main roster match to be at a PPV against the face of the company for a US title. I give Triple H props for thinking outside the box but this is a little too far.
Have you ever participated in the live discussion threads here on the board when RAW is on? Try it sometimes. A few of us are on there most weeks, Nate included. Quite often you see a lot of posters saying that RAW is boring, it's the same stuff week in, week out. Same players, playing the same parts.
Now we have something new. A new face who's come in and upset the apple cart so to speak, and instead of being excited about it, and thanking God we're finally getting something different, we are bitching. Again.
First of all it's his looks, now it's that he hasn't paid his dues so how dare he have a title match at a throwaway PPV, that he isn't going to win anyway. Have you ever thought Cena might have needed match and this was the guy they picked for him. Let the fans get to know Owens and why not, I mean shit Cena can't go forever. Or can he?
So I applaud HHH for thinking outside the box as you say. Surprises in this day and age are great, and we got one on Monday night. Why don't we all wait till he actually has his match with Cena, before we continue bitching.
Wrestling fans sometimes suck.
Nate DaMac
Fuck erbody but me
Ugh. First off, I don't care about your private life in the slightest. I'm just trying to help you out. Your posts look like shit.
Second, you just admitted to breaking the rules of the forum. Alternate accounts aren't allowed. You should probably read up on the rules.
Fair enough but aren't you at least excited to see something different? As you've implied, it's rare to see someone get this big of a spot in his first match on the main roster.
Also, there has been no indication that the US Title is going to be on the line as of yet.
... That's just pathetic, dude. A moderator edited your title, as is custom. I used to do it all the time. Too bad they forgot to capitalize your i.
The Real Deal Nevielle
Dark Match Jobber
As I said, I don't dislike Owens. I just havnt been that impressed to call him the next big thing. I get tired of seeing the same old same old sometimes too. But you said its a given he will loose to cena at the ppv? do you write for wwe? nobody thinks he will win, just how no one thought a debut match for anyone would be in a title match at a ppv against the "apple cart".
I loved the segment on Raw. Im not a Cena fan and I love suprises on wrestling, but isn't this putting the cart before the horse? theres a lot of talent on Raw that isn't in the same old storyline with Cena that could have been used, earned, and given ppv exposure.
I loved the segment on Raw. Im not a Cena fan and I love suprises on wrestling, but isn't this putting the cart before the horse? theres a lot of talent on Raw that isn't in the same old storyline with Cena that could have been used, earned, and given ppv exposure.
MartialHorror
Mid-Card Championship Winner
My only concern is...what now?
If Cena defeats Owens, then I think Owens will lose a lot of his 'monster' status. Granted, NXT performers are usually established to be inferior to main roster performers (at first), but I don't want to see Owens win. At the same time, I don't really want to see Owens hold the U.S championship...simply because I do like the open challenge and it would probably mean Cena is going back up the card. With that said, it could be interesting if Owens does take the belt. That would be new.
The easiest way to do things would involve Owens brutalizing Cena so badly that the ref disqualifies him. But that would also mean a rematch...I'd be surprised if Cena loses.
If Cena defeats Owens, then I think Owens will lose a lot of his 'monster' status. Granted, NXT performers are usually established to be inferior to main roster performers (at first), but I don't want to see Owens win. At the same time, I don't really want to see Owens hold the U.S championship...simply because I do like the open challenge and it would probably mean Cena is going back up the card. With that said, it could be interesting if Owens does take the belt. That would be new.
The easiest way to do things would involve Owens brutalizing Cena so badly that the ref disqualifies him. But that would also mean a rematch...I'd be surprised if Cena loses.
Mighty NorCal
SHALL WE BEGIN?
I feel like I have baptized you in the river of wrestling knowledge. Im so proud.
To the OP, if you think you have seen even 25% of Owens moveset in the under ten matches he has had in NXT, you are making both an idiotic and ignorant statement.
Owens abilities are much more in the realm of subtleties and the little things....Little things are what all tie together to make the big picture.
Right? For a guy who isn't very "over" everyone and their fucking mother cant stop talking about him and making duplicate threads about him.
Jack-Hammer
YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAH!!!!
If a wrestler has a hugely extensive move set and has the physique of a god, good for him so long as he's able to make me give a damn about seeing him do his thing. I get that Owens isn't gonna connect with everyone, nor will he connect with everyone on the same level because that's just how life itself works whether it comes to wrestling, football, basketball, certain genres of music or movies or whatever; personally though, I've seen FAR too many guys who have all these flashy moves and/or a strong look, but not too much of anything else. If a wrestler is unable to make me care about what he's doing, then I personally don't give a damn how athletic he is, how technically sound he is or if you can use his stomach as a cheese grater. There are a million mechanics and spot monkeys in pro wrestling, but if they can't make a connection with enough fans as far as their persona goes, then they're just another face in the crowd. Owens doesn't have the best cosmetic look and that's okay in my eyes as I've no interest in seeing him prance around in a Speedo like a bodybuilder or seeing him grace the cover of Muscle & Fitness magazine. If the guy's built really well, that's cool so long as he has what, in my opinion, are VASTLY more important traits to bring to the table.
Personally, I dig Owens' more soft spoken, cunning and calculating approach as it helps him stand out; you don't have to be some snarling, screaming, chest beating caveman to be an effective heel or, for that matter, a badass heel. Being more subtle can work just fine and is a refreshing change sometimes. Whereas Randy Orton is this more hot headed, impulsive sort of sociopath, Owens' character is the opposite in that he manipulates the situation to his liking before taking advantage; he's more of a thinking man's psycho but is just as vicious when it comes down to the crunch. I feel part of the problem some fans have today is that despite their claims of wanting diverse characters, few things could be further from the truth; whether a wrestler is a heel or babyface, those fans all seem to want them to portray the exact same sort of persona: some nigh invincible, take no guff from anyone, take all challenges straight on badass. If they don't get that from a babyface, they'll label him as lame or, ironically, one dimensional; if they don't get it from a heel, they label him as cowardly or too weak right from the start.
Nitpicking at the various sums & parts of a wrestler is a guaranteed way to find something you don't like about him or her, but a wrestler is supposed to be more than just the sum of his/her parts. EVERY wrestler has weaknesses and strengths, some are gonna be stronger in some aspects than others while weaker than others in other aspects. There are guys that I'm not all that fond of that some are still crazy about to this day; for instance, I'm not all that wild about Hulk Hogan. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve his legendary status because he does, nor am I disputing what he means to the business as I very much accept and agree with it. However, 99% of the time, I just never really cared for the guy's matches. There are no doubt some who feel that way about Flair, Savage, Austin, Taker, Rock, Rollins, Bryan, Ambrose, Cesaro and pretty much everyone else who's come along and will come along. The key is to look at the guy as a whole to see if there's enough there that interests you rather than picking out one or two things that you're not into, focusing on that and ignoring everything else.
Personally, I dig Owens' more soft spoken, cunning and calculating approach as it helps him stand out; you don't have to be some snarling, screaming, chest beating caveman to be an effective heel or, for that matter, a badass heel. Being more subtle can work just fine and is a refreshing change sometimes. Whereas Randy Orton is this more hot headed, impulsive sort of sociopath, Owens' character is the opposite in that he manipulates the situation to his liking before taking advantage; he's more of a thinking man's psycho but is just as vicious when it comes down to the crunch. I feel part of the problem some fans have today is that despite their claims of wanting diverse characters, few things could be further from the truth; whether a wrestler is a heel or babyface, those fans all seem to want them to portray the exact same sort of persona: some nigh invincible, take no guff from anyone, take all challenges straight on badass. If they don't get that from a babyface, they'll label him as lame or, ironically, one dimensional; if they don't get it from a heel, they label him as cowardly or too weak right from the start.
Nitpicking at the various sums & parts of a wrestler is a guaranteed way to find something you don't like about him or her, but a wrestler is supposed to be more than just the sum of his/her parts. EVERY wrestler has weaknesses and strengths, some are gonna be stronger in some aspects than others while weaker than others in other aspects. There are guys that I'm not all that fond of that some are still crazy about to this day; for instance, I'm not all that wild about Hulk Hogan. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve his legendary status because he does, nor am I disputing what he means to the business as I very much accept and agree with it. However, 99% of the time, I just never really cared for the guy's matches. There are no doubt some who feel that way about Flair, Savage, Austin, Taker, Rock, Rollins, Bryan, Ambrose, Cesaro and pretty much everyone else who's come along and will come along. The key is to look at the guy as a whole to see if there's enough there that interests you rather than picking out one or two things that you're not into, focusing on that and ignoring everything else.
I feel let down by Sami Zayn. One pop-up powerbomb and he was done for. I'd have understood if he'd been knocked unconscious but, sore shoulder aside, I couldn't figure out what was wrong with him. I couldn't figure out why he wasn't trying to fight back. The bell never rang - it just became a handicap match of Kevin Owens versus Sami Zayn, half a dozen referees and medical staff, and William Regal. Was I supposed to dislike Owens for trying to continue the match and give me my 9.99's worth? Some of my favourite wrestlers are my favourite wrestlers because they've fallen from great heights or been bashed with something you shouldn't get bashed with or cut open from ear to ear and have got back up and carried on fighting. I've seen Sami himself do it but this time he just curled up and waited for rescue. What a wimp!
This conveniently opens the door for me to like Kevin Owens (you know, the bloke what you could slap a high vis jacket on and could easily pass for a bouncer at Wetherspoons). Owens is currently the most talked about man in wrestling and it's no wonder - he's feuding with Sami Zayn, Finn Balor, Hideo Itami, Samoa Joe and John Cena simultaneously. His Twitter feud with Alex Riley is probably still ongoing. #RAGE
Kevin Owens is the ambassador for NXT on the main roster and, keeping in mind that I didn't see what exactly he did wrong at Unstoppable, I can't help but be in his corner. He's new, he's fresh and he's so cool that he doesn't care if I think he's cool or not. Maybe I'll even get a duct tape shirt. Fight, Owens. Fight.
This conveniently opens the door for me to like Kevin Owens (you know, the bloke what you could slap a high vis jacket on and could easily pass for a bouncer at Wetherspoons). Owens is currently the most talked about man in wrestling and it's no wonder - he's feuding with Sami Zayn, Finn Balor, Hideo Itami, Samoa Joe and John Cena simultaneously. His Twitter feud with Alex Riley is probably still ongoing. #RAGE
Kevin Owens is the ambassador for NXT on the main roster and, keeping in mind that I didn't see what exactly he did wrong at Unstoppable, I can't help but be in his corner. He's new, he's fresh and he's so cool that he doesn't care if I think he's cool or not. Maybe I'll even get a duct tape shirt. Fight, Owens. Fight.
