Owens Attacks Cena!

[Mark Henrys Sandwich]

Can't believe the NXT talent are getting called up just to be fed to Cena time after time.

 

[THTRobtaylor]

It's SOOOOO obvious what they are doing here... Zayn NEVER debuted on RAW... he is taking the NXT title tomorrow when... yep... Cena shows up in NXT and interferes to cost Owens his gold... Owens is the one actually "moving up" and it sets up an interesting situation where Cena and Zayn could team up against Owens and another main roster guy for the feud... Big Show is due back... Owens and Big Show as as a temp unit is an interesting proposition, Owens wins the US title then destroys Show too, it could happen...

It's an interesting move to say the least and echos what they did with Cena first off... he lost to Angle but beat Jericho... I can see him beating Cena if he costs him the title... but then losing it back or coming up slightly short but then beating his next big opponent hands down...

I like the Bigelow comparisons, although I had Owens always more as a Bubba/Bossman type, shame he isn't that little bit taller... but he proved in that segment he is something to be excited about... far more than Zayn, Balor or Itami have produced so far...

 

[Navi]

I see Owens going the route of the Ascension, unfortunately. He just doesn't look like a guy Vince can get behind.

I've now seen 3 straight from NXT (Ascension, Neville and Owens come up from the NXT roster to a crowd who literally seems to have no idea who they are). At least Zayne got a pop.

And laodaron, he looks really out of shape. He looks fatter than before he joined the WWE.

Don't get this bashing of Kevin Owens because he has a gut. Not everyone is going to have the physique of a Cena or a Reigns, and just because they don't doesn't mean they will be horrible in the ring.

Wyatt looks out of shape and has a similar body type to Owens, but everyone thinks the sun shines out his ass. Rowen, Harper, Henry are all big men, they can go and in the case of Harper, he moves like someone half his weight and height.

Owens is a phenomenal talent. Gold on the mic, brutal in the ring, give this guy a feud to get his teeth into and watch him go. What's there not for McMahon to get behind. I just wish they had kept his last name, I would kill for a "Kill Steen Kill' shirt.

EDIT: Zayn got such a huge pop because he's from Montreal, and that's where RAW was that night.

 

[SJ5522]

I hate this talk about shape really, how boring would wrestling be if every single guy had about the same build? Every match would tell just about the same story.
Flair's physique looked (compared to his piers) like crap and he is basically Mr. Wrestling, Hogan might be the most famous but you'll never go to a wrestling show and not hear a "wooooo!", but I suppose we should've been complaining that Flair didn't look fit enough to compete with a lot of people...

 

[Dysturbed]

John Cena has been in WWE for 13 years and whether I like him or not, he's one of the biggest stars in wrestling history. In one segment they just made him into a complete joke. This is the equivalent of having The Mountie debut by decimating Hulk Hogan. Absolutely horrid booking and one of the worst moments in RAW history.

Unless Cena goes against history and accepts the attack as an admission of defeat and acts like he finally met his match simply because someone got the better of him in a segment, then he will remain just as credible (as opposed to being a joke) as ever, at least in the eyes of those who want to see things from a more realistic perspective. As early as tomorrow or the next Raw, he will likely get some form of payback and if not, then in the near future.

As you know, in the world of wrestling things are situational and you have probably seen dozens of times when a guy (including top guys) cut a promo, stand backstage, etc. and are then knocked out by a single move, single chairshot, single clothesline, etc yet those same people withstand ten times that stuff in an actual match setting and then maybe kick out and even win.

With all due respect, is there a reason why you are completely dismissive of that or dismissive of the possibility of it happening here?

 

[Glacier]

KO can move pretty well, even being out of shape

Check this out around the 2:00 mark

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[OYDK]

KO can move pretty well, even being out of shape

Check this out around the 2:00 mark

[YOUTUBE]-xIYVw3ZPJk[/YOUTUBE]

Or you can go back and watch his first NXT match, where he performs a flying senton over the top rope.

The people saying Owens looks terrible don't care about his wrestling skills though... they just care that he doesn't look like your prototypical wrestler, or I assume that's it because anybody who's watched Owens as Steen knows he can go. Who cares if he has a gut? As a male wrestling fan, why would you care what another man looks like as long as he can actually wrestle? Never understood that to be honest...

Anyway, on topic. It was a great segment and Owens looked as confident as he always does. He went toe to toe with John Cena and made me believe he was his equal, and it was only his first night on the main roster. Looking forward to EC. Anybody expecting Owens to win though will be very sad at the end of the night.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

The people saying Owens looks terrible don't care about his wrestling skills though... they just care that he doesn't look like your prototypical wrestler, or I assume that's it because anybody who's watched Owens as Steen knows he can go. Who cares if he has a gut? As a male wrestling fan, why would you care what another man looks like as long as he can actually wrestle? Never understood that to be honest..

Who THE FUCK said that?!?!

Kevin Owens is easily one of the top ten wrestlers on planet earth right now, and how anyone can watch his stuff in NXT and not see that Is beyond me. You clearly have ZERO sense of someone 110% sinking into a character, no sense of how nuances in pro wrestling work, nothing.

Yea, he is a fat, scummy piece of shit, that is what he supposed to be!! The way he portrays the character without even a slight hint of remorse and utter arrogance is everything that pro wrestling is about.

ive only seen highlights, but it seemed like a great segment, and one were Owens entirely held his own with the biggest star on earth in an open back and forth promo. If that alone doesn't give people a clue what this guy is and can be, I feel sorry for them.

 

[kadroan]

Did not see that coming.

It looks like Steen (Owens) is getting a big push.

I didn't see it coming either. I'm so glad they didn't continue to drag on Cena/Rusev.

I'm hoping they don't put Owens in a box like make him a heel or a face. He seems to be the type that could benefit from just being a tweener.

 

[Navi]

So, can we address the fact that Kevin Owens looks to be in worse shape than most of the live audience members? I don't care that he pop-up powerbombed Cena. I think it was brilliant promo work to have him shut down Cena's "veteran advice." What I didn't like was the state of Kevin Owens' gut. He looks horrible. Not just a large stomach, it looked like he couldn't bend down.

I see Owens going the route of the Ascension, unfortunately. He just doesn't look like a guy Vince can get behind.

And laodaron, he looks really out of shape. He looks fatter than before he joined the WWE.

Who THE FUCK said that?!?!

Kevin Owens is easily one of the top ten wrestlers on planet earth right now, and how anyone can watch his stuff in NXT and not see that Is beyond me. You clearly have ZERO sense of someone 110% sinking into a character, no sense of how nuances in pro wrestling work, nothing.

Yea, he is a fat, scummy piece of shit, that is what he supposed to be!! The way he portrays the character without even a slight hint of remorse and utter arrogance is everything that pro wrestling is about.

ive only seen highlights, but it seemed like a great segment, and one were Owens entirely held his own with the biggest star on earth in an open back and forth promo. If that alone doesn't give people a clue what this guy is and can be, I feel sorry for them.

That's who said it, and it's not been the first time remarks have been made about Owens and his weight. Who gives a shit, the guy is amazing and he can go in the ring. That's all that matters. He's a great heel, and his mic skills are on par with just about anyone. Nothing seems to phase him and he doesn't get owned easily. He just has a great Twitter war with Alex Riley a few weeks ago. His sense of humour is hilarious.

I watched something someone posted on another site last night. It was his's son's reaction to seeing him on TV with John Cena. Absolutely priceless, his son was so excited to see his dad on national TV with a legend in Cena. It was beautiful to watch.

 

[laodaron]

He's slightly above average, often dangerous, and often sloppy. He's injured far more guys than your typical WWE guy has, and on top of it, he doesn't care enough about the craft to exercise.

Comparing him to flair is assinine. Comparing him to even Bray "Mediocre" Wyatt is ridiculous. He's got a large kndy following, because he's reckless and dangerous, and that's why hes getting a trial push from HHH. Wrestling is fantasy. I can go watch a fat piece of shit fight at a local pub. I can't go see genetic masterpieces. Its like watching the NFL and telling the fans that a typical lineman doesn't need a certain build.

 

[George Steele's Barber]

That's who said it, and it's not been the first time remarks have been made about Owens and his weight.

Tattletale!

Who gives a shit, the guy is amazing and he can go in the ring.

He has succeeded with ROH and NXT, that doesn't mean he will succeed on Raw. He is a large brawler who dwarfs a guy like Zayn. He can throw a guy like Zayn around the ring with ease but how good will he look throwing around WWE's giants and other muscular behemoths? It was kind of silly for Cena to be made the fool on one move.

Maybe i am not being fair because i didn't see the segment live but when i saw it I struggled to suspend disbelief. Or maybe Cena just took the move poorly but for someone so portly and not that strong looking to do that to Cena just kind of made me shrug.

That's all that matters. He's a great heel, and his mic skills are on par with just about anyone. Nothing seems to phase him and he doesn't get owned easily. He just has a great Twitter war with Alex Riley a few weeks ago. His sense of humour is hilarious.

I hope you are right but you are Canadian and therefore biased on the topic.

I watched something someone posted on another site last night. It was his's son's reaction to seeing him on TV with John Cena. Absolutely priceless, his son was so excited to see his dad on national TV with a legend in Cena. It was beautiful to watch.

Ugh, now that I know he has a kid that loves him it will make it even harder to accept him as a heel.

 

[Navi]

Tattletale!

Yeah well. Busted. Norcal keeps jumping of the roof of his house, it's ruined his eyesight, he needs help.

He has succeeded with ROH and NXT, that doesn't mean he will succeed on Raw. He is a large brawler who dwarfs a guy like Zayn. He can throw a guy like Zayn around the ring with ease but how good will he look throwing around WWE's giants and other muscular behemoths? It was kind of silly for Cena to be made the fool on one move.

Maybe i am not being fair because i didn't see the segment live but when i saw it I struggled to suspend disbelief. Or maybe Cena just took the move poorly but for someone so portly and not that strong looking to do that to Cena just kind of made me shrug.

If Cena's long and star studded career can be wiped out with one pop up powerslam, then it's not much of a career to begin with. Cena will get his back and Owen will pay, and then Cena will pay again, and wash, rinse and repeat. It will be a great back and forth feud. If it happens of course.

I hope you are right but you are Canadian and therefore biased on the topic.

Part of me is, but part of me also sees a great wrestler, and isn't that what the IWC always bangs on about. The WWE doesn't create stars, we see the same old matches every week, the WWE sucks. We bitch and complain like a bunch of old women. Now we're seeing guys that have years of experience, good in ring skills, talented on the mic, they aren't out of the WWE system, they came up from the indies, and half the IWC thinks their shit.

Well damm. Cena, Orton and the rest aren't getting any younger, we need new blood to keep this product going, and that's what NXT is for. Some of the posters here haven't watched one episode, but they hate everyone who's showed up so far. They still want Ziggler and Axle to be world champions. I want to see new faces, new feuds.

Sorry went off on a bit of a rant there.

Ugh, now that I know he has a kid that loves him it will make it even harder to accept him as a heel.

HHH and Stephanie have 3 kids, and we hate them just fine. Owens will be no exception.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

He's slightly above average, often dangerous, and often sloppy. He's injured far more guys than your typical WWE guy has, and on top of it, he doesn't care enough about the craft to exercise.

Hasn't hurt anyone in NXT, and has clearly lost weight. Not to mention, who gives a shit if he is fat, he can still easily turn flips. I guess Vader and Bam BaM didn't "care about their craft" either eh?


Some people are fatter than others, get over it.

 

[L@RISANO]

I do hope his size isnt a hugw detriment to his prospects going forward.

Given his lack of height, I dont care much for him to lose weight at all and that huge gut alongwith his ability in the ring and on the mic will allow him to be his own guy. I just feel he'll have to work extra hard in terms of showing his in ring and mic talents to get himself over with the casual fanbase.

Crossing my fingers that he wins the US title from Cena somehow at EC in a couple weeks. Cant wait to see him vs Reigns,Rollins,Ambrose,Wyatt and hopefully Daniel Bryan at some point.

 

[blueskyy]

I'm currently in the same camp as the posters above. I haven't seen much of Owens and I hope his ring prowess is what folks on the interwebz make it out to be but to me he looks out of shape and yet not that big (the opposite of a Bundy, One Man Gang, or Bam Bam). Like he comes off as an ass kicker when fighting small Indy guys but not as convincing when nose to nose or doing power spots with 250 pounders.

Oh, and he also has the dullest eyes. He looks like he is constantly about to cry.

I totally agree with George Steeles Barber.

I too, haven't seen enough of Kevin Owens to form a fixed opinion... but from what I've seen, there's nothing about him that stands out. I find it hard to believe that he is a fighter (in the literal sense) because he doesn't look like one, move like one, or act like one.

His promo with John Cena just makes John Cena look bad. We all know Cena is the toughest guy in the company, he can take all kinds of punishments and still mount a comeback... but for some odd reason, he couldn't survive a what looked like only a magnitude 5 power bomb from Owens? Fans might say that's good booking to get Kevin Owens noticed, but to me, that is bad booking, because WWE is essentially lowering the quality of their product. You no longer need to have an imposing look, you no longer need to be tough, you no longer need to be good in the ring, you no longer need to be good on the mic, you no longer need to be over with the crowd, all we have to do, is book you to success, even if the matches were a mess or fly against all logic.

For people who are comparing Kevin Owens with Bray Wyatt... At least Bray Wyatt has shown that he can be good on the mic... Has Kevin Owens shown that yet. Thus far, Kevin Owens promo has been far more monotonous than Randy Orton ever did, but for some reason, people seem to be having double standards when it comes to Owens. Moreover, Owens doesn't show any emotion, doesn't have any facial expressions, and his eyes are just dull and dead. I don't even know if that is just him playing his character, or him being disinterested.

It's a tricky process to know when and how to push a wrestler, because every wrestler has his own strengths. If you're sacrificing the entire roaster just to build up a star, I really don't see how that would work in the long run.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

I too, haven't seen enough of Kevin Owens to form a fixed opinion...

WWE is essentially lowering the quality of their product. You no longer need to have an imposing look, you no longer need to be tough, you no longer need to be good in the ring, you no longer need to be good on the mic, you no longer need to be over with the crowd, all we have to do, is book you to success, even if the matches were a mess or fly against all logic.

This is just the sort of flagrant idiocy and ignorance flying every which way in this thread.

How on earth can you sit and say you haven't seen enough of Owens to form an opinon, but then run down every facet of his game like that? THAT flies against all logic. His match with Zayn on the last NXT live specials was one of the best matches in the WWE in the last couple of years. he was plenty over, he received the biggest reaction of any NXT call up not named Sami Zayn, who was debuting in his goddamn home town.

All of you are making zero goddamn sense. How could he not be tough or over or good in the ring but have been a success at every level of the business for the last 12 years?

 

[klunderbunker]

So let me get this straight.

People are saying that Kevin Owens hasn't earned this spot because nothing about him is impressive enough to earn it and he's just getting this spot because it's decided he's getting it. I think it's time for a history lesson.

Flash back with me to 1993 and Lex Luger. This is a guy that had it all. He had the look, the build, the decent enough in ring ability, the character (Made in the USA) and pretty much every other thing you need to be a top guy......but he wasn't quite there. There was something missing from him and that something was inside Bret Hart. People responded to the fact that Bret had worked so much harder than Luger had to get where he was and wasn't getting the push because Hogan left and suddenly we needed a new All American hero. The fans responded to Bret and Bret got the top spot instead.

If you'd prefer a modern example, look at CJ Parker. The guy had enough decent tools to be a mid level talent. Decent look, decent talker, decent worker, decent gimmick.....and the fans HATED him. WWE didn't keep pushing him because that was what they wanted though. They turned him into an annoying heel and let the fans boo him like they wanted to. On the other hand, Owens has received almost universal praise for his performances, at least from people who know what they're talking about. He's a heel who does heelish things and gets booed for them. If you think that's just because he's written that way, you don't get wrestling.

I'll wrap it up with a line that has stuck with me for years. Back in the 80s and 90s, there were a bunch of people who threw themselves through tables and mutilated their bodies while not having a good physique or All American looks. They called themselves wrestlers and all but one of them went nowhere. The other one was Mick Foley, who threw himself through tables and mutilated his body while not having a good physique or All American looks. He main evented Wrestlemania. Now, was he in that spot because he was the one person out of those dozens that got picked, or was it because he had the talent to earn the spot?

 

[Anger]

Those ripping on Owens ( Steen ), as the most recent poster mentioned, have obviously never actually witnessed Owens in the ring or cutting a promo. The man has talent, in spades. And that is to say the least. I'll agree with a common line of thought in this thread, if you have not seen enough of him, how can you be intellectually honest in your judgment of his skills? You may as well be watching his matches blindfolded at that rate, because you are judging without having seen any evidence by which to judge. If WWE books the man correctly, he will be huge, despite your misgivings and smarmy denigration of his non All-American look. People shit on VKM for prizing guys with a certain " look " and yet here some of you are shitting on Owens because he is getting a push but does not fit that look.

 

[laodaron]

Hasn't hurt anyone in NXT, and has clearly lost weight. Not to mention, who gives a shit if he is fat, he can still easily turn flips. I guess Vader and Bam BaM didn't "care about their craft" either eh?


Some people are fatter than others, get over it.

He HASN'T clearly lost weight. At one point, he DID clearly lose weight, but it appears to all be back. Also, Vader, Bam Bam, etc., were all massive everywhere. They weren't just average arms and legs aith a giant gut in the way. And to the point, he's not talented enough to lick either of their boots.

So let me get this straight.

People are saying that Kevin Owens hasn't earned this spot because nothing about him is impressive enough to earn it and he's just getting this spot because it's decided he's getting it. I think it's time for a history lesson.

Flash back with me to 1993 and Lex Luger. This is a guy that had it all. He had the look, the build, the decent enough in ring ability, the character (Made in the USA) and pretty much every other thing you need to be a top guy......but he wasn't quite there. There was something missing from him and that something was inside Bret Hart. People responded to the fact that Bret had worked so much harder than Luger had to get where he was and wasn't getting the push because Hogan left and suddenly we needed a new All American hero. The fans responded to Bret and Bret got the top spot instead.

If you'd prefer a modern example, look at CJ Parker. The guy had enough decent tools to be a mid level talent. Decent look, decent talker, decent worker, decent gimmick.....and the fans HATED him. WWE didn't keep pushing him because that was what they wanted though. They turned him into an annoying heel and let the fans boo him like they wanted to. On the other hand, Owens has received almost universal praise for his performances, at least from people who know what they're talking about. He's a heel who does heelish things and gets booed for them. If you think that's just because he's written that way, you don't get wrestling.

I'll wrap it up with a line that has stuck with me for years. Back in the 80s and 90s, there were a bunch of people who threw themselves through tables and mutilated their bodies while not having a good physique or All American looks. They called themselves wrestlers and all but one of them went nowhere. The other one was Mick Foley, who threw himself through tables and mutilated his body while not having a good physique or All American looks. He main evented Wrestlemania. Now, was he in that spot because he was the one person out of those dozens that got picked, or was it because he had the talent to earn the spot?

This is a giant post to merely indicate "Na na na boo boo, I like Kevin Owens, and you can't change my mind." That's fine. I don't care to change your mind. Sure, you can look through 5 decades of professional wrestling and find 6 or 7 guys that weren't the "prototype" build. But they were PHENOMENAL in other aspects. Kevin Owens is and has always been barely average. If he's gotten better than his Indy days, I welcome it. But that doesn't change the fact that on Raw, he looked disgusting. Not like he looked like A-Train, he seriously looked like some fat loser at a local pub.

 

[Kris Benwa]

I actually really liked the segment. I was super shocked when KO answered the challenge and was hoping for a fantastic match right there but instead they cut a pretty nice promo and in my surpise of the night he pop up Powerbomb Cena. I like that they treat these guys like a big deal, acknowledge their wrestling past and make it known that just because they're in NXT doesn't mean they can't do work too. Loved it. Now I'm wondering who walks away with the NXT title tonight? I think if Zayn does and Owens is moved up permanently it would be interesting for him to beat Cena maybe the same way he beat Sami by him injuring himself during the match and Owens capitalizing on it. I always say there's no shame in losing to Cena because everyone has but I dont think Owens should. Either he wins or they do some sort of double countout brawl or dq or some shit.

 

[Барбоса]

I am not shocked at all that Owens 'accepted' the challenge. It fits in perfectly with a major part of his feud with Sami Zayn, with Owens being jealous of Sami and wanting everything that he has - a spot in nXt, the nXt title, an appearance on RAW and now a match with John Cena.

As for the promo and Owens' look, it all comes together perfectly. He is not the cookie-cutter chiseled body type and is using it to his advantage with his character - an arrogant, remorseless piece of shit.

On top of that, he can go in the ring both as a fighter and a flyer.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Criticism of Owens' physique is misguided: the Dadbod is in, Owens clearly saw the trend coming and decided to get ahead of the curve. The curve, in this instance, being that curvy fucking gut of his.

I don't like Kevin Owens. But I don't like Kevin Owens not because he's a bad wrestler but because I'm a massive mark. I'm a massive mark for Sami Zayn and Owens injured Zayn, took Zayn's title and probably fucked Zayn's girlfriend on the same night - and that's just not on.

Which is proof of how effective a heel Kevin Owens is. He's not deserving. He didn't deserve a title match but he got one, ergo he didn't deserve a title but he got one. His hair looks silly, his beard's unkempt and I don't even know what's wrong with his armpits. He doesn't look like a professional wrestler and that lends itself nicely to the character he's portraying. He has an undeserved sense of self-worth.

At the end of the day, as long as he can go in he ring - and he can - and can deliver on the mike - and he can - then we needn't worry. The proof will be in the pudding.

All the pudding he ate, the fat fuck.

 

[JoeFromTomsRiver]

The guy is great on the mic, above average in the ring, and has a decent look OTHER than the fact that his stomach looks like it belongs on a 50 year old couch potato.

He looks like he swallowed a medicine ball.

I'm not saying he won't be successful on the main roster unless he loses weight.

But can't someone who is developmental (and doesn't need much if any development in the ring or on the mic) focus more on developing their physique? And not in the sense of getting jacked, but just get rid of that gut for god's sake.

 

[Navi]

Jesus Christ, who cares what he looks like. He's not a raving beauty we get it, but the guy can go in the ring. You know we bitch and complain that Reigns got his push based on how he looks. Well I did anyway, and now some don't think Owens should be around because he's got a gut.

Should Wyatt lose weight too, cause he ain't no lightweight? Same for Mark Henry, Bo Dallas is a bit pudgy, and Rowan well he hasn't got a figure that you can write home to mom about.

Can we just all agree that wrestler's come in different shapes and sizes, and it depends on what they do in the ring, on the mic that should determine whether they are good enough? I have a feeling that Kevin Owens will be sunk before he even makes it to the main roster, and it's a shame.