Out of Control

[PauLwaLL]

Ok.. I havnt been comin on here much latly.. But just from today.. I can see that The WWE section is seriously out of control... Dysturbed or anyone else for that matter need to get in touch with the admin and either promote the current mods to super mods.. Or just get more mods or admins.. I understand that you guys cant be on 24/7... But theres some people who come here that are on for the most part of the day... Honestly.. The annoyance of all the 2 word posters and all these new topics are driving people away from here..

Ive seen the thread saying... "There will be no new mods anytime soon" I kno this.. But something has to be done due to the fact you guys arent on all the time...

Thanks

 

[2 good 4 ya]

He's proably trying the best he can to clean up the forum.....

 

[PauLwaLL]

He's proably trying the best he can to clean up the forum.....

He may be.. But this is way to much for 1 or even 6 people to handle.. Look at some of the threads in the WWE forum.. I dont kno if I said this already.. But someone even said "I just wanted to say hi"... This is gettin crazy... And a lot of good posters already have told me that the new n00bs here are driving people to other sites..

 

[2 good 4 ya]

I know.... I'm sick of seeing "Cena Sucks" threads a million times. But the posters who make the threads are mostly junior member who come here, post their two cents then they never return.

Cure those darn junior members.....jk

Also I've never really seen eye to eye with Dysturbed but I think he's trying to do the best he can... Maybe if he did get more adim it may help but there will still be noobs around who love to cause chaos.

 

[realblackhart]

This forum can be much better, Guys like PauLwaLL50, Eternal Dragon, and other 1000 posters need to help out here and we can't be here 24/7 like some of these other guys. i am usually able to log on at night when I come home from college. By the time I log on, there are 2 pages of new threads, half of which are repetitive and include spam in just about every post. about 1 month ago, it wasn't even that bad but it's become a thing where the posters who are breaking the rules here don't give a shit, and even say so in their posts. these guys need to be banned because if they don't care then they don't need to be here. the only problem is that they come back with new sn and are much worse than before. there's hardly any more discussion going on, and threads are popping left and right with, "you're right", lol, "i agree" and crap like that. will it kill you to explain why you agree with the person. is it realy necessary to EVER make another Cena or Edge thread again? there's enough Cena threads here to put in any other wrestling forum out there. Dysturbed, peoplescham and the other moderators could only do so much. when they here, they are probably reading through all this spamming and wonder why they're even doing this anymore. please people don't get it to the point where even the moderators can't control everything that's going on here. this place could be what it once was. lets generate discussion when we post.

 

[PauLwaLL]

Blackheart.. Thats everything I wanted to say.. But do you actually think there going to read what we have to say? Or even read this msg.. They dont care.. All the admins are already starting to get fed up with it.. You could tell.. But how could you blame them... They need help...

 

[Banned Dysturbed]

Only decent posters are going to read this thread anyway so it's really going to do no good, although if actions could be taken from this thread, those actions would be good. If a thread isn't opn the top half of page one in the wwe forum, it's considered old news by the majority. If a post involves too many words (which generally means it's a thought provoking post) it's ignored by the majority. Heck, most posters don't even read past the first post in a thread and then repeat the same thing that was a dead issue pages before in the thread, which puts it back to square one and disrespects those who actually took the time to make a good discuission happen. People just don't care.


Every time I come on i delete several threads from the wwe forum. I look at the title and if it's clear that it's a duplicate about DX, Cena, orton, etc I'll delete it. If I'm not sure if it offers something new then I'll take a quick peak. I made a sticky about banning people who do this just so we can weed people out, but I doubt that will work. Good posters are doing this as well. One poster made a thread the other day asking what we think will happen with Edge after the Unforgiven match. Then the match happened and a thread of "what happens next" was made again by the same poster. Why he couldn't use the same thread that had many responses is beyond me but that's how most people think and it's messing things up.

Even if we had a full staff of mods the fact that the "powers that be" pull their crap to get new members is what's really messing things up. A couple of months ago we got hundreds of new members based soely on a link to the forums about revealing a third dx member. Regardless of the topic or the forum, threads or posts asking about that third member were made. On Sunday WZ's main page had a link to these forums promising a nonexistant ppv link. Again we got hundreds more members and a lot more threads and posts asking about a nonexistant link.

I'm telling you the belief from the owner is quantity over quality. The posters in this thread and the other good ones can post with quailty, but the quantity of shit posters are going to overun the place unless the fake links stop, we get a full mod staff, the admin has more free time or i get the admin panel, etc. Even then it would take awhile to weed out the b.s. One obvious change to be made is to only let people register with valid emails addresses where they have to go to their email and click a validation link. If someone wants to return 5, 10, 15, 20, 50, etc times after being banned at least they'll have to spend more than thirty seconds to return and therefore maybe grow annoyed with it or bored with it. The way it is now you can put anything as an email and you're instantly a member.

 

[zero]

I don't think any of you understand the level of bullshit Dysturbed has to go through daily to even relate to the level of spam that you all see, the fact stands that no one is super-human and none of us can possibly watch the forums and act on them 24/7. PeoplesChamp also tries, but like I said, it's very difficult to stay on top of it, especially since they have other responsibilities.

I got up and left because of it, so what you're seeing, you should actually be kinda happy.

 

[IntheZone]

If you don't have staff members that are on at least a few times each day on a busy site, it's not ever going to get better, end of story!

 

[Spineshank]

For all the effort you mods put in when your online ^^ has a point. At the end of the day all that it comes down to is owner doing something about it. New Mods is a good start imo. But there needs to be some changes made to the admin panel and what not. I dont know how you guys would go about it but wouldnt the owner listen if one of the mods talked to him or is it just a pointless conversation?

 

[IntheZone]

I used to be a mod here before most of you were on the internet.. WZ has been around since 1996, and I just came back to post a bit and have a little fun. Things seem to be looking up, but when you're staff also tries to shill ** at any opportunity, it's hard for the people to really care or become loyal to this site again.

 

[PauLwaLL]

None of the mod or anyone else says Join **.. Its in there sigs yes.. But you are allowed to advertise in sigs.. This site has no proeblem with members or "loyalty" seeing as there is about 20+ members on at all times.. And when theres a PPV theres a ton more..

Good Job on the new mods tho.. They are doing the best they can..

 

[Spineshank]

I see the point that Inthezone is making. I tried to make this point once myself there should be no cross forum ** promoting. But given the history the two have it just seems more appropriate to leave it all alone imo.

 

[Banned Dysturbed]

wouldnt the owner listen if one of the mods talked to him or is it just a pointless conversation?

No he wouldn't listen. If he listened then this site would have never been down for two months, crashed multiple times, etc. There was a thread made a year and a half ago with a couple hundred responses from posters saying how I should have the admin cp and Brian never read it. We pm'd him, im'd him, etc. to read the thread or discuss it regardless. He finally responded with one post after somoene made a thread bashing him which is when he said the following (which never seems to register with most people)

Originally Posted by Flyin Brian
My apologies for creating a free service that you guys spend your free time on. I have no free time. I have what normal people refer to as a life.

Thanks for the appreciation thread, I will continue my unparalleled commitment to my 18th biggest website.

Scan that with your sarcasm detector

Like Zero said, the massive amounts of spam that you see is small compared to what you'd see if the few of us weren't doing something about it. Like Paulwall said, even if the mod situation were to be fixed, it wouldn't change the many other things that are still not accessible.

If you don't have staff members that are on at least a few times each day on a busy site, it's not ever going to get better, end of story!

Even if we had a full staff of mods the fact that the "powers that be" pull their crap to get new members is what's really messing things up. A

It all comes down to the owner. We can make the problems more minimal than they were (trust me they are, despite still being bad) but we are not being provided the tools to make them even more minimal nor are we given much hope when fake links to the site are given on the main site that bring in hundreds of spammers at a time. That's not the mods doing nor can they stop it all at once.

 

[Banned Dysturbed]

when you're staff also tries to shill ** at any opportunity, it's hard for the people to really care or become loyal to this site again.

I see the point that Inthezone is making. I tried to make this point once myself there should be no cross forum ** promoting. But given the history the two have it just seems more appropriate to leave it all alone imo.

Actions speak louder than words. Speaking for myself, the words in my sig don't take away from the actions being done HERE. So I promote another site in my sig, it doesn't change that i'm amongst the ones doing more for this place than anyone. People know this. Many people are loyal to this site, but those who aren't, are not loyal because of the problems this place clearly has and not because of the exitence of a forum made up of a large number of this places former members.There's no evidence that a few posters having ** sigs is coorelated with people not being loyal to a site that has problems that have nothing to do with a sig or people occasinally mentioning another site.

 

[Jonny B]

I did get in contact with someone who is involved in the Forums, and actually got a responce. He asked me to put some names forward for taking over the Forums, and since then havent got anything in return, unless either Proto or Dysturbed now have actual Admin powers. I guess the Forums really are stuck the way they are.

 

[Banned Dysturbed]

If that person that you contacted is Brian Einhaus I'll be happy to provide you with some links for him to threads that will get him to understand that I've been trying to help for all of this time (including board room threads and some in feedback)

 

[.Fallout.]

I used to be a mod here before most of you were on the internet.. WZ has been around since 1996

1996 your joking right cus i don't know any forums that been around that long?

 

[Jonny B]

If that person that you contacted is Brian Einhaus I'll be happy to provide you with some links for him to threads that will get him to understand that I've been trying to help for all of this time (including board room threads and some in feedback)

I actually spoke to Matt Boone, I was pretty sure he wasnt the right person as I know Brian owns the Forums, but I figured he's listed as the head of the forums on Wrestlezone' main Page. I dont know, maybe some people should go over to MMANews I figure Brian runs that too, if other people go and reccomend Dysturbed to actually get Admin powers, then maybe, just maybe he'll listen, either that or contact Matt Boone, as he seemed like he could help in the Mail he sent me back.

 

[PauLwaLL]

Personally I think we all need to stop complaining now.. Theres new mods that now.. Atleast one person is on at all times to close the spam topics, warn people for spam etc. Its going to take awhle to get this place back to the way it is.. Just need patience.. Theres only so much that the mods and admins can do.. And seems like they are trying...

BTW... Thanks Brian!!!

 

[Banned Dysturbed]

BTW... Thanks Brian!!!

Is that sarcasm or do you think he's the reason that we have the few new mods? So hard to tell these days lol.

 

[PauLwaLL]

Lol.. No it isnt sarcasim.. He has a point.. He made this forum for everyone to enjoy.. All tho he doesnt come on here much.. From what I've seen if you ask him to do something Dysturbed... He gets around to it sooner then later.. Just saying thanks because he made this forum.. And he gets no credit.. Just abuse.. Which is pretty messed up cause im sure if he wanted to.. He would have no hessitation in shutting this place down.

 

[Banned Dysturbed]

Lol.. No it isnt sarcasim.. He has a point.

Considering what that post was made in response to his point was pretty much "I dont' care if the site is crashing, stop bugging me. I don't care if people keep returning and causing problems cause I'm making money off of popups (there used to be non stop popups). Leave me alone you all need to get lives."

Some point

We literally beg him to help out here and he implies that we have no lives. He makes it clear that this site is meaningless to him cause he has 17 other ones that are more important to him.

Again...some point.

. He made this forum for everyone to enjoy..

Only to let it wither away causing dozens of threads like this to be made because of problems that he never fixes. Name one that he has fixed since the place was relaunched in June. I'll give you the relaunching in itself as his doing but that's becuase he started losing money.

From what I've seen if you ask him to do something Dysturbed... He gets around to it sooner then later..

When has this happened? When the forum was crashing every day for months and we tried getting him to fix it he never did, then it was down for two whole months. When we asked him to get me the admin panel so I could ip ban and stop the people from returning 40, 50 times literally, it never happened. What about when the supermod panel stopped working and literally nobody could be banned for a month? There are a large number of other examples.

So when is this sooner rather than later that you're referring to? Is it in reference to a year long wait to fix the problems and relaunch this site? If it's the new mods, that wasn't his doing. If it's the fact that a few people finally got ip banned, not his doing either.

Just saying thanks because he made this forum.. And he gets no credit.. Just abuse..

Threads like this which we get several times a month in feedback, bar room, the wwe forum, etc wouldn't be made if posters themselves didn't feel abused by how much bs is allowed to go on around here because of neglect. Posters returning dozens of times and causing problems abuses people's right to come here and have decent conversations. Ip banning them would prevent that. This has been requested for over three months now.

Which is pretty messed up cause im sure if he wanted to.. He would have no hessitation in shutting this place down.

Not when he's making money off of it.


As I've stated numerous times I don't dislike the guy and all power to him to be able to have a lot of websites, make money off of it, etc. All power to him to have other obligations with family, work, or whatever he has. Is it too much to ask for to have someone take resopnsibility for their own neglect instead of blaming it on others? Is it so much to ask for someone to take less than five minutes to check over the site, see the bs and make the appropriate changes so that he can actually disappear for months again without any of us having to worry about any problems here?

 

[Chiwaukee's Finest]

Lol.. No it isnt sarcasim.. He has a point.. He made this forum for everyone to enjoy.. All tho he doesnt come on here much.. From what I've seen if you ask him to do something Dysturbed... He gets around to it sooner then later.. Just saying thanks because he made this forum.. And he gets no credit.. Just abuse.. Which is pretty messed up cause im sure if he wanted to.. He would have no hessitation in shutting this place down.

imho, you really shouldn't comment on something as if you know anything about it without either a) knowing all of the facts or b) actually being there to go through what we all went through. WZ continued to crash from May through August to just completely shutting down, soz, but u have no idea what you are talking about as usual

 

[Banned Dysturbed]

) actually being there to go through what we all went through.

He didn't go through what we did so he only has what happens now to go by which makes perfect sense. You are right though that if someone doesn't have a full grasp of something their opinion will naturally be skewed to a degree. (I brought it up too in reference to how Brian historcially doesn't help out much) In reference to now though, which he is more familiar with, I'm curious about what the sooner than later aspect is that he is referring to.