Orton's RKO Botch On Raw!

[OneTooManyPunts]

Right, because no main eventer has ever botched a move before, I'm sure. I mean, Jericho, HBK, HHH, Angle, Cena, none have ever botched a movie in their long storied careers.

Orton should obviously be strung up by his neck, so that Vince has ample time to scream at him while he blows his gasket.

It's Pro Wrestling! Moves get botched, and well, shit happens. You think for one second that one botched RKO in anyway affects Orton's standing, or is a commentary on his athletic ability? Short answer..NO

When a move is botched, the only important thing is that no one is hurt int he process. Ask Jesse Sorensen. In the mean time, cut Orton some slack.

 

[kor420]

It was bad, a really bad botch. But if big show would of thought to roll out of the ring when it happen, he could of played it off as he fell down to get out of the RKO attempt.

 

[sTyLnK]

A wrestler botches and the IWC dissects it like a frog in a science lab. Fucking kids. I tell ya. This is why I hate the IWC most of the time. You people say stupid things and make asinine threads all the time. Don't really care if I get infracted. I get them a lot because everyone takes shit way too seriously on these forums. You sneeze and you get infracted. It's ridiculous.

 

[Kelso1ftw]

honestly is 1 botch by a guy that's been so good in the ring gonna make him shit all the sudden? its not like its a huge deal.. i mean yeah everyone noticed but it was just a miscommunication

shit happens

 

[kor420]

It's WWE's fault for trying to make us believe Orton can really hit that stupid ass move on someone so tall and big. But big show suck anyway so wasted discussion.

Are you high? big show is VERY athletic for his size and is getting better with age.

 

[HorsemenNo4]

Everyone botches now and again but Orton and Show didn't make it any better. Orton walking around the ring obviously annoyed doesn't help. Big Show yelling fuck while getting back up doesn't either.
Orton needs to be a lot more professional. He may or may not be an asshole backstage, but in the ring, he shouldn't be showing his frustration or anger about a botched more. He needs to smarten up and move on. Look at other legends. They botch but keep going. He literally stops for a timeout to pout.

 

[Midgetmania619]

Who cares? In my opinion, Show was supposed to take it, but forgot. Don't blame Orton, this guy never screws up. Why do people blame Randy Orton, I'll never know, but even the best sometimes make mistakes in the ring.

If Show was meant to take the first RKO, then Orton botched.
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What you're saying is if Show was meant to take that RKO, but he went down as intended and Orton didn't, then it's Show's fault (somehow).

In my opinion, Show was supposed to take it, but forgot.
Translates to:
You think Big Show was meant to fall down in the first RKO, but he forgot he was meant to (which he actually didn't; he fell as, according to you, intended).

 

[newteenforbb]

If Show was meant to take the first RKO, then Orton botched.
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He was meant to take the first RKO. It was obvious. Why would Orton jump a little and all if it was meant to just be a Big Show pushes him away type situation. When Orton is going to get pushed away, he never really jumps into the move but this time, he did. So, it was supposed to be an RKO. For some reason (his feet being awkward or whatever), he didn't go down. His mistake. His error. And yes, walking around the ring all upset at himself doesn't help matters at all.

 

[iwinulose]

lol randy botched but but but he is a top performer!?!?!? this cant be happening!!!!!!!! wtf orton!?!? you got khali no problem but you fuck up on big show!? yea ORTON SUCKS NOW!! HE SUCKS!!! FIRE HIS ASS!!! lmao!! jkjk he botched one move get over it, he just retruned from injury, most likely still feeling the after effects, he botched one move whatever no big deal. they made up for it a few seconds later and finished the match so who cares?

 

[MrAdam87]

Originally posted by "Big Nick Dudley

It was a botch. Who gives a shit who was at fault? Orton never botches. Name more than two occasions over the past, oh, five years. You can't. Calm down.

Well there is this botch, and then when he split Cody Rhodes head wide open with the business end of the ring bell a few months back, that my friend was a MAJOR BOTCH.
Im not one of these haters on Orton, everyone makes mistakes and its live TV but you seemed so adamant about no one being able to name two botches in five years. I had to call you out.

 

[Ry.the_Stunner]

People are "claiming" that it looked as though Big Show was supposed to push Orton off of him. You know how many RKO's end up with Orton getting pushed to the ropes by his opponent before actually hitting the move on the second or third attempt. They say Big Show just didn't do the "push-off" sort of speak and that's where the mistake happened.

I don't buy that. How could Show just forget to do something like that?

I believe it. They were too close to the ropes to set up for that move anyway. There was no room for Big Show and Orton to completely lay out. They needed to be closer to the center of the ring to execute a successful RKO. I think it was Big Show's botch.

 

[Ry.the_Stunner]

The only thing worse than the actual botch was Michael Cole trying to pretend that Orton had actually successfully executed it, when we all saw clear as day that he never left his feet.

 

[leydier]

it was Big Show's fault. He confused the "spot" / ending. He was supposed to push Randy off the ropes, then try to choke slam, then reverse, RKO, Daniel Bryan runs in.

Daniel Bryan wasn't running in at that spot so therefore you know that it was Show's botch. Plus if you watch the replay, you can tell ORTON is expecting to be pushed.

Orton had poor sportsmanship; however, by just standing there and smirking. The professional thing would of been to pretend you hurt your back, or fall to your knees or something - then redo.

 

[newteenforbb]

it was Big Show's fault. He confused the "spot" / ending. He was supposed to push Randy off the ropes, then try to choke slam, then reverse, RKO, Daniel Bryan runs in.

Daniel Bryan wasn't running in at that spot so therefore you know that it was Show's botch. Plus if you watch the replay, you can tell ORTON is expecting to be pushed.

Orton had poor sportsmanship; however, by just standing there and smirking. The professional thing would of been to pretend you hurt your back, or fall to your knees or something - then redo.

I think it has been pretty much established though that it was Orton's fault. On the main page (of this site), someone attending the event said Orton even said to Show "I botched that" or something like that. And the person also said it was obviously his error. So, at the end of the day, I think we can take someone's in-person synopsis over all of our own guesses.

I agree with you though on the poor sport thing. But that's Orton for you- always has been and always will be that type of guy.

 

[lenguy]

Someone makes a mistake and immediately its the talk of the town,I honestly can't believe this is a serious discussion. You people do realize how trivial this is don't you? Lets all talk about somebodies mistake so we might feel all high and might about ourselves because we are all knowing and have all the facts. Why does it matter who's fault it is? Bottom line is in a sport like this,things aren't bound to go they way the are planned every time, shit happens, everybody makes a mistake sooner or later.

Regardless of who's fault it actually was,both men handled it very professionally. Orton has come a long way from exploding in the middle of the ring. They acknowledged the fact that somebody made a mistake,continued on the match like professionals without causing a scene and throwing massive temper tantrums in the ring. Though it seems as though the IWC needs to make a big deal about it because well..nothing else is going on. It sure could have been a lot worse, it could have been one of those botches that cost somebody an injury. Since it wasn't I say move on. Such a frivolous thread, I'm surprised it hasn't been trashed.

 

[buckfast67uk]

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that Show was meant to block the RKO, push Orton on to the ropes, only for Orton to hit with the second RKO attempt.

Nobody got hurt, it looked kind of sloppy, but to be honest i had to rewatch the show just now to make that call because i was only half watching when it was on live and hadn't noticed the botch.

 

[Mustang Sally]

Oh shut up everyone botches in the ring, even the greats.

Of course they do, and it's important to remember that the opponent who's taking someone's finisher is as responsible for the success of the maneuver as the guy delivering it.

In the case being discussed, the RKO is one of the riskiest finishers around because Orton's back is turned to his opponent and it's up to the other guy to place himself in the right position to receive the move. If the opponent tilts his head back even slightly at the moment of impact, Orton goes flying in the air, landing on his back without having RKO'd anyone. That's what happened here; I think it was Big Show's muff more than Orton's. For gosh sakes, I think Khali positioned himself better on Smackdown to take Orton's finisher than Show did. If Orton was coming in too low, Show needs to bend further down to make it work.

Just the same, although Vince McMahon is probably furious, I think botches are good for the game; they illustrate how tough it is to execute maneuvers in a wrestling ring.

So Orton and Big Show failed to connect on this one? Big deal! In a real street fight between people, do all the punches land? Of course not, and as far as I can see, occasional botches lend an air of realism to a wrestling match, making it look more like a real contest and less like a staged production.

 

[THTRobtaylor]

Botches are in vouge at the moment, mainly because there has been 3 in a week.

Miz botched big time...
Zema Ion should never have jumped while Sorensens back was still turned, he carries all the blame for the injury for "jumping the gun".

Then we get this, which is a minor botch a worst... Orton clearly was at fault and I think the "smirking" was him thinking about the shit he'll get on the net rather than being pissed off... Put it this way, he didn't behave as shitty as he did to Kofi a while back so even if he wasn't to blame, the guy has learned something.

Problem with the RKO, especially on a big guy like show is that if it botches like that and Orton is standing, the throat goes full into the shoulders, with all the supported weight adding to the blow... the jump is what takes the impact out of the move... Show could easily have been injured... but it does happen... I don't think it's Orton being unsafe, just losing concentration. Miz was unsafe, Ion was unsafe...

 

[Dzone]

Hands down worst thread ive ever seen.

ONE botch in the past how many years? On top of this it probably wasnt even his fault because to me it looked like Big Show was meant to push him and instead fell thinking Orton would RKO.

OP is an idiot :L

 

[drobs85]

Are you high? big show is VERY athletic for his size and is getting better with age.

No I'm not high, as far as athletic slightly but that doesn't mean he doesn't suck! Big Show has been regressing for years now, what has he done lately that was so much better than previous years? He's a spot monkey, so as I was saying there's no way Orton should be able to hit that stupid move on someone so big and tall. Just preposterous.

 

[Mighty NorCal]

So Orton and Big Show failed to connect on this one? Big deal! In a real street fight between people, do all the punches land? Of course not, and as far as I can see, occasional botches lend an air of realism to a wrestling match, making it look more like a real contest and less like a staged production.

Oh what the fuck ever lil missy, whenever I RKO people in street fights I always hit the move cleanly. Jus sayin.


Yea, so it was wildly obvious. I literally said out loud "what the fuck just happened?"

Anyways, shit happens. I have zero inclination as to what the miscommunication was there, and no one covered for it well at all, not the wrestlers or the commentators.

Pretty meaningless, the show goes on. Everyone forgot it within 2 minutes, surely nothing to freak out about.

 

[Ry.the_Stunner]

I think it has been pretty much established though that it was Orton's fault. On the main page (of this site), someone attending the event said Orton even said to Show "I botched that" or something like that. And the person also said it was obviously his error. So, at the end of the day, I think we can take someone's in-person synopsis over all of our own guesses.

I agree with you though on the poor sport thing. But that's Orton for you- always has been and always will be that type of guy.

No, he said "he botched that". That's ambiguous as to if he meant "he" as in himself, or "he" as in Big Show. They weren't clear in the article as to who he meant.

 

[TheJujuMan]

OK to clear up my post earlier. Orton didn't have a good hold of Big Show, and Show slipped. Show got up and Orton said to Show that he (meaning Randy, himself) "botched it". So they exchanged a few punches and Randy executed a good RKO.

Make sense? Good. Sorry I wasn't clearer. It was 11 PM when I wrote the notes down.

Peace Out!
Juju

 

[Uncle Sam]

He's a spot monkey, so as I was saying there's no way Orton should be able to hit that stupid move on someone so big and tall. Just preposterous.

I'm not picking up what you're putting down. Orton has to jump, Big Show has to fall on his face. It's not like he was trying to hit a Canadian Destroyer; Big Show doesn't exactly have to do a standing shooting star press to sell it.

As for who botched, it was The Big Show. First off, no way was Orton meant to hit that RKO. The only people that get hit by finishers after their opponent taunts for it are Heath Slater and-- well, that's about it. Maybe David Otunga if he's having an off day. Am I to believe that Randy Orton had a rather nasty shit that morning, expelled his brain through his anus and forgot that he's supposed to jump to hit his finisher? No, he was positioning himself - as he has hundreds of times before - to get pushed off into the ropes, hence why he didn't take to the air. Moments later you see what was meant to happen when they redo the spot. Orton drags Show up, they pick up where they left off, Show pushes Orton into the ropes, Show goes for the chokeslam, Orton counters into the RKO. That's what was supposed to happen in the first place - however, Big Show dropped to the floor like a dead salmon instead of pushing Orton off.

I know, I know - I should be a forensic scientist.

 

[D-Man]

Oh what the fuck ever lil missy, whenever I RKO people in street fights I always hit the move cleanly. Jus sayin.


Yea, so it was wildly obvious. I literally said out loud "what the fuck just happened?"

Anyways, shit happens. I have zero inclination as to what the miscommunication was there, and no one covered for it well at all, not the wrestlers or the commentators.

Pretty meaningless, the show goes on. Everyone forgot it within 2 minutes, surely nothing to freak out about.

Norcal, how dare you take this moment away from our posters!! They need to all sound smart and proud because they're able to point out a flaw from live television since that's never happened before.

Fucking Lulz.