Orton Isn't The #2 Guy... CM Punk Is.

[The Future Rises]

Since... always. That's what you are when you're the second most over guy on the roster.

Not really. When Orton won the title from Christian Smackdown's ratings began to drop. I don't care if it is the B show the point is Orton didn't draw more as world champion all he did was lose viewers.

 

[TheLambofDeth]

Consistency. Your #2 guys has to be consistent, and Orton has been that since 2007. Punk is hot at the moment, but what will the crowd reaction be after the whole angle is over? It will be a while, if ever when Punk finally reaches that level. Orton at this point is above the random stagant feuds that Punk was plagues with before this. Did anyone really care about Punk during SES or the New Nexus?

Bash Orton all you want, but no matter how dead a crowd is, they go bat**** once Orton does his song and dance. Be it the biggest feud of the year, or a random SD. Before Punk was thrusted in what has become the biggest angle in quite some time he was "meh" as far as the general crowd is concerned. And this isn't a bash against Punk. Yes, Orton has had more time in the main event but...you still have to get reaction, and Orton does on a consistent basis.

Look at it this way. Punk is on the A show feuding with the WWE's biggest names getting the push of his life, all the while getting fluctuating pops. While Orton is on the B show feuding with the "other" talent getting hugh pops no matter what. Let's see what Punk does after all the smoke clears. If he gets a constant barrage of pops for everything he does that he'll move up a little, but at this point Orton has spot #2 firmly secure.

 

[xoxo French Kiss xoxo]

You are all be wrong

Cena's the #1 guy

Triple H is the #2 guy

Punk is a distant #3.

I know many of you are still love drunk with Punk, but the fact is Cena is still the biggest draw in the WWE, and Triple H has positioned himself in the #2 seat.

Punk's good, don't get me wrong I like the things he's done recently but hes no where near as big as Cena and Triple H.

Could Punk get as big as these two, maybe in the future but until we see Punk headlining MULTIPLE WM's he doesn't hold a candle to Cena or Triple H and thats a fact.

As for Orton lets be serious, Orton is the best in ring performer in the WWE hands down. I don't care who you put a crossed the ropes from him he's going to not only make himself look great, but he's going to make them look great. As for being the "number whatever" guy in the WWE in terms of where Orton falls, it doesn't matter because he will stand out from the crowd no matter what happens in the long run. Many of you may hate him now, but you'll respect him when his careers over. The man just did the job cleanly to Henry FFS.

 

[The Future Rises]

You are all be wrong

Cena's the #1 guy

Triple H is the #2 guy

Punk is a distant #3.

I know many of you are still love drunk with Punk, but the fact is Cena is still the biggest draw in the WWE, and Triple H has positioned himself in the #2 seat.

Punk's good, don't get me wrong I like the things he's done recently but hes no where near as big as Cena and Triple H.

Could Punk get as big as these two, maybe in the future but until we see Punk headlining MULTIPLE WM's he doesn't hold a candle to Cena or Triple H and thats a fact.

As for Orton lets be serious, Orton is the best in ring performer in the WWE hands down. I don't care who you put a crossed the ropes from him he's going to not only make himself look great, but he's going to make them look great. As for being the "number whatever" guy in the WWE in terms of where Orton falls, it doesn't matter because he will stand out from the crowd no matter what happens in the long run. Many of you may hate him now, but you'll respect him when his careers over. The man just did the job cleanly to Henry FFS.

Trust me. Respect is the last thing I have for Orton right now. He stopped Kofi Kingston, whether you like him or not, from getting pushed to the moon. Plus he got Kennedy fired and harassed some Diva co-workers in the past and calling a certain one a "****" in his own way. Maybe I'll respect Orton professionally. But if he doesn't change soon I'll never respect Orton as a person.

 

[xoxo French Kiss xoxo]

Trust me. Respect is the last thing I have for Orton right now. He stopped Kofi Kingston, whether you like him or not, from getting pushed to the moon. Plus he got Kennedy fired and harassed some Diva co-workers in the past and calling a certain one a "****" in his own way. Maybe I'll respect Orton professionally. But if he doesn't change soon I'll never respect Orton as a person.

Kingston stopped Kingston from getting pushed. Hes all flash, with no character dept, no real in ring talent, and no mic skills whatsoever.

Kennedy got himself fired for being a sloppy injury prone worker and lets not forget he fucking stunk in the ring.

Diva's are there to please them men while their on the road, and Kelly Kelly probably is a huge ****. Guess what, the rest of the Divas are probably ****s as well, oh WELL.

Orton also shit in a Diva's bag, and did 10k worth of damage to a hotel room overseas.

Orton has a dishonorable discharge on record from the military.

Does anything hes done affect your life on a personal level daily? No, so get on getting over it.

He's still the best wrestler in the WWE today.

 

[The Future Rises]

Diva's are there to please them men while their on the road, and Kelly Kelly probably is a huge ****. Guess what, the rest of the Divas are probably ****s as well, oh WELL.

Orton also shit in a Diva's bag, and did 10k worth of damage to a hotel room overseas.

Orton has a dishonorable discharge on record from the military.

Does anything hes done affect your life on a personal level daily? No, so get on getting over it.

He's still the best wrestler in the WWE today.

Best wrestler? Decent number 5 in my opinion. And no, it doesn't affect my personal life. It just affects my personal view on Orton. And the fact that he called someone a **** just cause she's "dated a few guys he's worked with" is kinda messed up. Orton has a reputation for being a complete asshole. And like I said if that doesn't change I'll never respect him PERSONALLY. And not PROFESSIONALLY.

 

[The Champ]

You are all be wrong

Cena's the #1 guy

Triple H is the #2 guy

Punk is a distant #3.

No. The authority figure is never the number two guy in the company. The number two guy in the company competes for championships and competes every week on Raw or SmackDown. Triple H may be a major figure in the company, but he's not the number two or even the number three. Did anyone ever consider Vince to be the number two or number three guy? How about Stephanie, or Bischoff, or Vickie? Nope. It's the same thing. He has a major role on the show but we're talking about the pecking order of active wrestlers here.

 

[Big Nick Dudley]

Orton hasn't been getting "huge ovations" lately. He's been getting a small shriek from women when he comes out. At Night of Champions he hardly got a "huge ovation".

You're wrong. I'd say more, but I think that covers it.

Stop kissing or tons ass, the reason that cm punk is getting louder pops is because or ton is stale and boring and the crowd find him very overrated, he hasn't earned what he has been given, he has been handed it.

Oh, the crowd finds him boring? Stale? If you can't hear the reactions he gets on Smackdown, maybe because it's taped, conspiracy theories about piping in cheers, fine. If that isn't enough for you, check out Raw, a live show. He gets the biggest positive reaction on that show, each week.

well we can tell who ortons backstage fluffer is....and seriously, has anyone ever seen someone wearing an orton shirt?fuck orton, only good thing about him is when im out of sleeping meds i just go on youtube, watch an orton promo, and boom, out like a light

Right, his shirt doesn't sell. You know this... how? His shirt sells. Fans love him, etc. Internet smarks turn on all great heels who go face. If his shirt wasn't selling, he wouldn't be in the position he's in... which is the #2 guy in the company.

Not really. When Orton won the title from Christian Smackdown's ratings began to drop. I don't care if it is the B show the point is Orton didn't draw more as world champion all he did was lose viewers.

No one has drawn with that belt. Not Christian, not Orton, not Taker... no one. Putting that on Orton is just stupid. Did anyone say Taker couldn't draw when ratings didn't go up during any one of his title reigns? No. Smarks amuse me, they really do.

 

[Scuba 06]

Ha ! I wish CM Punk was that high on Vince's favorites list. I don't know what show you have been watching the last few months or years. We know Cena is #1 and there is no reason to even argue that, however, its pretty obvious Orton is there #2 guy not only from the way he is booked but how his character is protected. Look at Cena or Orton, are there any real differences from the way they are presented. They are clearly the most dominant star in any match or program they are involved. So Mark Henry or CM Punk beat them for straps ? Ha ! You know Cena and Orton are going to win it back within a month or two. Its as if who ever wins is just a transitional champion now. Cena is champ yet again and who thinks Henry will get a legit run with the belt that wont end with losing it someone other than Orton. The WWE really reaveled a lot about how Vince wants to book the format, earlier this year when they sent Orton to other show, and made him champion his first night. So now its like this, regardless if Cena or Orton is champion, its still their show, its still effectively their title and whoever else might be holding is just keeping it warm for them, as trys to create the false images that they are making new stars, when in reality they have no real long term plan and Cena and Orton are their safe zone that they will go to over and over again for the next decade until they find someone who can legitametly take their spot, which no one, not even CM Punk, who is nothing like the WWE puppet that Vince Desires, currently reflects.

 

[The Future Rises]

Ha ! I wish CM Punk was that high on Vince's favorites list. I don't know what show you have been watching the last few months or years. We know Cena is #1 and there is no reason to even argue that, however, its pretty obvious Orton is there #2 guy not only from the way he is booked but how his character is protected. Look at Cena or Orton, are there any real differences from the way they are presented. They are clearly the most dominant star in any match or program they are involved. So Mark Henry or CM Punk beat them for straps ? Ha ! You know Cena and Orton are going to win it back within a month or two. Its as if who ever wins is just a transitional champion now. Cena is champ yet again and who thinks Henry will get a legit run with the belt that wont end with losing it someone other than Orton. The WWE really reaveled a lot about how Vince wants to book the format, earlier this year when they sent Orton to other show, and made him champion his first night. So now its like this, regardless if Cena or Orton is champion, its still their show, its still effectively their title and whoever else might be holding is just keeping it warm for them, as trys to create the false images that they are making new stars, when in reality they have no real long term plan and Cena and Orton are their safe zone that they will go to over and over again for the next decade until they find someone who can legitametly take their spot, which no one, not even CM Punk, who is nothing like the WWE puppet that Vince Desires, currently reflects.

How is his character is being so highly protected? He got beat by Henry, a guy who has never won a world title in his career and has been jobbing before getting this monster role, cleanly. Do you honestly think they'd do that to Punk? Highly doubt it. Punk's character is being protected. They could have let Trips beat him cleanly but guess what? They didn't. They realize how hot Punk is right now. And if he's not the number two guy(which I think he is) then he will be in a year or so.

 

[Scuba 06]

How is his character is being so highly protected? He got beat by Henry, a guy who has never won a world title in his career and has been jobbing before getting this monster role, cleanly. Do you honestly think they'd do that to Punk? Highly doubt it. Punk's character is being protected. They could have let Trips beat him cleanly but guess what? They didn't. They realize how hot Punk is right now. And if he's not the number two guy(which I think he is) then he will be in a year or so.

That first statement you gave is exactly why Henry won clean. Its already hard enough, because of his history to take him as a serious contender or title holder, so if you want him to be accepted as the real deal, build him like they have and then put the exclamation point on it with a clean win, so people will be like 'hey did he just beat Orton clean ?' Regardless, the point I was making is that Orton will always be the top dog of his show. Honestly do you see Smackdown as Henry's show now ? I dont, and the reason is because, its not and you know that it wont be long before the title is around Orton's waist again. Just like with Christian, he got a short stint, but he didnt get to really run with it before Orton took it back. Obviously Orton is going to lose sometimes because otherwise it would just be dull to have him be champ for an extended period of time, but so what if he loses clean, his character is so high up the mountain he can afford to lose and wont effect him at all. As with Cena, regardless if Orton is champ or not, the show will revolve around him.

I would imagine Vince does not think as highly of Punk as you think he does. It took Punk almost having to leave the company to finally be appreciated and given a real chance to shine. Just like Punk has said himself since day 1, Vince had no desire for Punk to be a huge star. Punk isn't a product of the WWE factory. He's an ROH guy, an indy guy, he doesn't fit the mold of a corporate puppet like Cena or The Miz do. Is CM Punk hot right now, yeah but that dosent make him WWE's go to guy, that will provide the same security as an Orton or Cena. CM Punk maybe relevant now, but will he be doing a few months frpm now. You know Cena and Orton will have major roles for every ppv, im not sure that will be the case for Punk. I will say that Punk is without question one of the top stars on WWE right now, but in terms of power and how WWE will go out of their way to ensure he remains a big star for years to come, he dosent provide the same safety net that WWE can fall back on like an Orton or Cena have, and may never b/c he's not a true WWE creation, and when you arent, you rarely truly succeed at mega stardom in Vince's company.