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I would imagine so. Actually, I know so, since I work for Al-Jazeera - they do a lot more than just broadcasting. They're also in the teaching and paint selling industries (Saudis love buying paint). This was Saudi Air Radio, English language station - which is actually produced in UEA because they play music, which is still technically prohibited here.

I will say that, of the nations of the Middle East not gripped by civil war or under IS control, KSA probably deserves the least benefit of the doubt. It's probably the most orthodox and intolerant of the Arab societies - and positively alien when compared to somewhere more open like Egypt or Iran.

I know they are hardcore about orthodox culture, but I guess I assumed since they weren't super poor, they would be a little less whacky as far as news and science go. I spent a few months in riyahd, (hottest fucking place ever, besides qatar) some years ago so my understanding of the bigger picture is somewhat limited
 
Well, no, he laid into rap music under the umbrella of a thread about age.

If you look the first few posts are about the decline of rap as a music form.

Literally nobody brought race into it until KB himself did.

It seems like he was hoping for a reaction of people calling him a racist, nobody did that, so he brough in the verbal RKO of his own.

I get the impression KB was trying to be funny but it didn't work out. He did say he was trying to get people to talk about it. Again probably in an ill advised way but he probably intended it to be harmless. Also I think there might be the whole white guilt thing because he saw some people acting like the 'stereotype'

I mean as a guy with mixed heritage I sometimes get some black people trying to make me feel guilty for predominantly liking rock music and wearing skinny jeans and the like. I remember I was in London to go to an exhibition with college a guy gave me a leaflet for an urban clotheswear place. I told him I wasn't interested and he went on a tirade about me not supporting my people I was like I'll do whatever I want.

KB saw some people doing the 'rap stereotype' thought they were knobs and made an ill advised black joke. Again I probably haven't brought it across very well but I think that's what it is.
 
Oh, they can be every bit as whacky. There's quite an anti-educational undertone in significant sections of the society, mostly based on the fact that everyone's dripping in oil money. The popular idiom here is "smile, you're Saudi". KSA employs well over 9,000,000 migrant workers (a third of the total population) and they provide basically all of the labour force. It is exceptionally rare to see an ethnic Saudi doing any kind of actual job outside of the police or armed services. I work in a couple of large universities - there are literally no Saudis on staff bellow management positions. All the teachers are from Egypt, Jordan or the Philippines - and "Bangladeshi" is literally a synonym for cleaner here, even though most of them aren't from Bangladesh.

Saudi is an incredibly affluent, tribal society (80% of my students are Al-Zarani, the rest are Al-Maliki). You get paid well over a living wage to attend university (aptitude optional) for as many years as you can put up with it, after which your tribe will find you something to do and make sure you're comfortable. Because of this, a significant minority of parents take the view of: "I don't care about education, I just want to teach my children how to pray and that's all".

Prayer is basically mandatory here, which is isn't in the rest of the region. Technicaly the law only applies to muslims, but I'm the whitest guy on the planet, and even I try to stay away from the mosque during prayer hours because someone will come and give me shit for not participating.
 
In regards to Rap being the way it is now, that's because the record companies deem it to be this way. It's really the only reason why. I guess compelling lyrics don't sell no more. it's getting to be like that with Hard Rock. Most of it's generic crap nowadays.
 
This must be the first time in history a group of young people played music that older people didn't like at a loud volume and then used language the older person didn't approve of.

Truly a historic day.

Edit: I just read other posts in the thread and see that NorCal and Gelgarin are now discussing Arab culture. Huh.

Second Edit: If this was KB's attempt at trying to be provocative, we need Coco back now more than ever.
 
I get the impression KB was trying to be funny but it didn't work out. He did say he was trying to get people to talk about it. Again probably in an ill advised way but he probably intended it to be harmless. Also I think there might be the whole white guilt thing because he saw some people acting like the 'stereotype'

Close enough.
 
Just left the gas station where I had to listen to some horrible rap song because four guys in their car insisted on having it so loud that you could hear it with all of their windows rolled up. I also got to see them dancing in the parking lot to roughly 15 F bombs in the span of 30 seconds. But I guess I'm just too old to understand why that's such an awesome thing to do. At least they were having fun though right? Because that's all that matters. Also, has rap always been a very simple rhyme and then repeating the same three word line about 15 times in a row?

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Dude I went to school with is advertsing the Xanax he is selling on his Snapchat "My Story" right now. This generation is special.
 
One of the little kiddies (10 years old) at work made a remark about her current tablet not being nearly as sturdy as the previous two.

Having never owned or even thought about buying one, it made me feel both out of touch and poor.
 
KB, you sound like a Youtube commenter whining about how he was born in the wrong generation and how he misses "real music". For the record there is plenty of popular rap music being released today that isn't "ignorant" in the slightest. To Pimp a Butterfly is the most critically acclaimed and one of the highest selling albums of the year so far and is one of the most socially conscious albums I've ever listened to.

If this were fifty years ago you'd be calling rock and roll "devil's music" and a passing fad.
 
KB, you sound like a Youtube commenter whining about how he was born in the wrong generation and how he misses "real music". For the record there is plenty of popular rap music being released today that isn't "ignorant" in the slightest. To Pimp a Butterfly is the most critically acclaimed and one of the highest selling albums of the year so far and is one of the most socially conscious albums I've ever listened to.

If this were fifty years ago you'd be calling rock and roll "devil's music" and a passing fad.

To clarify, this was FAR less of an issue with the music and far more with the people. As in like 95% of it was how loud it was and how they just did not care about anyone else having to deal with it. Rap isn't my thing, but I certainly agree that there's good, quality stuff out there. Shouting the same line over and over isn't an example of that though.
 
What this thread has shown me is that nobody is willing to accept that people from different racial, ethnic, economic, or whatever backgrounds from themselves have different cultures that, while they might not like, have value in and of themselves.
 
What this thread has shown me is that nobody is willing to accept that people from different racial, ethnic, economic, or whatever backgrounds from themselves have different cultures that, while they might not like, have value in and of themselves.

Culture is one thing. Being a dick and only thinking of yourself has nothing to do with culture.
 
Just left the gas station where I had to listen to some horrible rap song because four guys in their car insisted on having it so loud that you could hear it with all of their windows rolled up. I also got to see them dancing in the parking lot to roughly 15 F bombs in the span of 30 seconds. But I guess I'm just too old to understand why that's such an awesome thing to do. At least they were having fun though right? Because that's all that matters. Also, has rap always been a very simple rhyme and then repeating the same three word line about 15 times in a row?
Nope. Used to be more poetic and political than that.
 
Which has an actual appeal to it. Not my taste but I can understand the merits of something like that.

You can still find it, for me the best came from the 80's and 90's. I can understand it not appealing to some as it was from a very African American point of view mostly. Focused on what they went through and life in their neighborhoods. So if you are not apart of that group it can be hard to identify with sometimes. Which is fine.

Didn't have a strong voice in mainstream American and used rap/hip hop to give themselves a voice.
 
You can still find it, for me the best came from the 80's and 90's. I can understand it not appealing to some as it was from a very African American point of view mostly. Focused on what they went through and life in their neighborhoods. So if you are not apart of that group it can be hard to identify with sometimes. Which is fine.

Didn't have a strong voice in mainstream American and used rap/hip hop to give themselves a voice.

Have you listened to To Pimp a Butterfly? If so, what did you think of it?
 
Just left the gas station where I had to listen to some horrible rap song because four guys in their car insisted on having it so loud that you could hear it with all of their windows rolled up. I also got to see them dancing in the parking lot to roughly 15 F bombs in the span of 30 seconds. But I guess I'm just too old to understand why that's such an awesome thing to do. At least they were having fun though right? Because that's all that matters. Also, has rap always been a very simple rhyme and then repeating the same three word line about 15 times in a row?

Honestly that's not even this generation man. People did exactly that in the 90s and 00s too.

Now, if it were dubstep they were "rocking out" to then you'd have a point. The devil's music that is.
 
Honestly that's not even this generation man. People did exactly that in the 90s and 00s too.

Now, if it were dubstep they were "rocking out" to then you'd have a point. The devil's music that is.

Teens have been rebelling with music for a hundred years. In no way is this an issue with the current generation.

I do wonder what's coming next, though. I'm not sure what kind of music could be more controversial than rap.
 
Culture is one thing. Being a dick and only thinking of yourself has nothing to do with culture.

They played loud music, danced in public, and cursed in the presence of an adult man. Is that really such a horrible offense? Are we in Saudi Arabia?

Nope. Used to be more poetic and political than that.

I stopped listening to rap in the early 2000's.

Good thing you provided your expert opinion.
 
They played loud music, danced in public, and cursed in the presence of an adult man. Is that really such a horrible offense? Are we in Saudi Arabia?





Good thing you provided your expert opinion.

No but we're in a place where being courteous hasn't been outlawed.
 
No but we're in a place where being courteous hasn't been outlawed.

Again, they played loud music, danced, and cursed in front of you. You may have been annoyed by it, but as far as I can tell it didn't stop you from accomplishing what you wanted to at the gas station: either filling your vehicle up with gas or purchasing something from the store.

If you were on a train or airplane with this group of people and they were acting this way then, yes, it would be a problem. If they were cursing like that in front of a young child, again, I'd grant you that that would be a problem. But you're a grown man, and they were at a gas station close to midnight. There are a lot worse things that could have happened to you at this time than being privy to some teenagers acting like teenagers.
 

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