[Official] TNA Hardcore Justice 2010 Discussion, Aftermath and Review

[It's Damn Real!]

Live on Pay-Per-View, Sunday, August 6th, 2010 at 9pm ET | 5PM PT, TNA Wrestling presents Hardcore Justice – a one-night-only celebration of hardcore wrestling featuring a never before seen reunion of legendary wreslting superstars including Tommy Dreamer, Mick Foley, RVD, Team 3D, Raven, Rhino, Stevie Richards, Simon Diamond, Al Snow, Axl Rotten, Johnny Swinger, Sabu, 2 Cold Scorpio, FBI, C.W. Anderson and Brother Runt among others.

Please keep general discussion concerning the PPV in here. Anything related to any specific match that has been announced, can be discussed in their specific thread. This thread is for general talk about predicted matches, storylines, and the types of matches that may take place. You may also discuss the aftermath of the PPV and review it in here as well.

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[Coco]

I'll go ahead and predict a show that does nothing for me at this point. The few things that I was looking forward to, such as RVD vs. Lynn, a Terry Funk segment/match, and/or a Flair vs. Douglas encounter have all but been confirmed not to be taking place. A damn shame. If I don't get real heat between Flair and Douglas, Funk delivering awesome punches and selling like death, and RVD and Lynn doing athletic, horribly convoluted stuff, why would I bother with this show? Everyone else interests me in no way that would make me put money down for this mess.

If for some silly reason TNA is sending these rumors and interviews out to keep things surprising for tomorrow, it's cost them one interested potential customer. Chew on that. If that turns out to be what's happening. And it's so stupid that I don't put it past them.

 

[Maestro48239]

I just finished watching Hardcore Justice and I personally give it 2 thumbs up!

great show with the old ECW feel, there was a shitload of carnage, burning tables, singapore canes. and one off the F'n Hook main event.

RVD and Sabu showed that they still can go the distance. there were countless holy shit spots. and seeing them hug in the end, now that was excellent!

one of my favorite spots was when foley wrapped barbed wire around that nasty old sock and gave the mandible claw to Raven's flunky!

 

[Hulkamaniac]

I thoroughly enjoyed the show. It wasn't a super top notch show, but it provided me with a lot of entertainment, which is all I can ask for. I was shocked that Scorpio could still do that crazy shit at his age. I throughly enjoyed the Dudleyz first match, although the segment afterwards with the Gangstaz was a little lackluster. Yes, even the lightsaber thing, which is the type of comedy bit ECW used to do in the old days as well. The Dreamer-Raven match was awesome and violent as all hell. You could have placed that exact match in the middle of their original epic feud and it would have totally felt like it belonged, not to mention the cool spots like Dreamer DDTing and neckbreaking the BWO at the same time; also, the fact that they had Raven going over just added to the ECW feel. Raven ALWAYS beats Dreamer! And the Main Event was just excellent and totally ECW. Give Sabu long hair and that same match could have been happening in 1996 at the ECW Arena.

Very fun, nostalgic night. Not an "epic" show, I suppose, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

[klunderbunker]

Hardcore Justice
Date: August 8, 2010
Location: Impact Zone, Orlando, Florida
Commentators: Tazz, Mike Tenay

This is the second return to PPV for ECW as they try to squeeze the final drop of blood out of the stone that was ECW. I really am not looking forward to this as it was built around two matches and one of those was canceled. It’s RVD vs. Sabu tonight which needs to stay under 8 minutes or so. Other than that we know a lot of names and that’s about it. Let’s get to it.

Tazz is here and says this is going to be EXTREME and that this is going to be awesome no matter what people say. Yeah I’m sure.

FBI vs. Kid Kash/Simon Diamond/Swinger

It’s Tony, Tracy and Guido. Yeah because Kash was SO important to ECW. Sal is somehow even fatter if that’s possible. Smothers looks AWFUL. It’s Tony Luke now instead of Mamaluke. Guido looks about the same. The lights are all dark and there’s this weird blue tint to it. Guido and Kash start us off. They point out that they can’t say certain names or letters. WOW.

Simon is HUGE and even Tazz suggests different attire. He stops halfway through the match and cuts a promo to which he gets a LOUD Shut the Fuck Up chant. He challenges them to a dance off. It’s somehow worse than it sounds. The non-FBI team breaks it up but Sal crushes them. Kash does a big dive to do something. Keep in mind we’re 20 minutes into this.

We get to a normal match now and it’s not bad. Seriously, we would have had to pay 45 dollars for this. Mamaluke is getting destroyed here and Diamond does something close to Three Amigos. Guido hits the Kiss of Death (Killswitch) to end it.

Rating: D. Once this got going it wasn’t bad but ten minutes of crap to get to the good stuff isn’t how this is supposed to go. This didn’t work at all for me though as three of these guys meant next to nothing at all in the original ECW. This was watchable I guess but the lighting and the other stuff just isn’t doing it so far.

The announcers talk about Sabu being in the main event.

We have a Where Are They Now series tonight. That’s not a good sign.

Tod Gordon says goodbye. He’s fat.

Pitbull #1 says hi.

Blue Meanie is on a TNA PPV. Literally that’s all they’re saying.

They do their intros and then they come back. Pitbull says show them hardcore. Meanie says thank you. None of them are here or anything.

AJ liked ECW.

Love liked ECW but only saw the end.

Snow yells at Head for possibly causing legal issues with the show. Richards comes in and this is his night apparently. Nova (Simon Dean) shows up in his BWO apparel. He talks about getting the band back together and this is painful to watch. A fake Blue Meanie comes in and we’re told that it doesn’t matter if it’s not really him. Good night.

Hey look it’s a match.

CW Anderson vs. 2 Cold Scorpio

You know, because these two have SUCH a history together. They keep calling it the original era because they can’t say ECW, even though they do anyway. Oh this is wrestling. Just to be clear I guess. Amazingly enough, there’s next to nothing to talk about here. Scorpio was great in his time, but he was old in 99 and he’s very old now. This is kind of back and forth and really isn’t bad for the most part. Spinebuster gets two and the Tumbleweed ends it.

Rating: C-. This was actually ok. They had a nice back and forth thing going here with a solid clash of styles going. I liked Anderson to an extent and I always liked Scorpio so this worked well for me. Somehow I have a feeling this is going to be the best match of the night. This wasn’t bad at all though and has me in a better mood.

Madison liked ECW too.

Matt Morgan got to go to a bar where ECW guys came to. They have to call it the Philadelphia promotion. This is sad.

Anderson says ECW was doing other stuff.

RVD and Fonzie say they wish they had a chance to fight Lynn again. RVD wants a replacement and picks Sabu. Fonzie says he’ll call it right down the middle.

PJ Polaco vs. Stevie Richards

Richards has the BWO with them despite not being Big Stevie Cool here. The fans chant Polaco’s name (Justin Credible which I’ll be referring to him as) and then Stevie Richards. The fans want blood and an hour (almost) into it we haven’t had any. Justin hits a jumping spinning DDT which was one of his signature moves back in the day at least.

The fake Meanie is one of the Phi Delta Slam guys if anyone remembers them. He’s a security guard at times too. The matches here aren’t completely awful but this comes off as so low rent that it just can’t be taken seriously. And remember, this is TNA’s PPV offering this month. It’s not like the real PPV is next week or anything. This is it for August.

And That’s Incredible ends….nothing as Nova jumps up. Stevie Kick ends this in something that would NEVER have happened in the original company. The lights go out and Sandman is here to no music at all. White Russian Leg Sweep and Justin is back up before like a second. Cane shots put him down again.

Rating: D+. Not too bad here but the booking was just bad. I know Justin is crap but he was world champion for five months in the old days while Stevie was billed as a clueless putz. This didn’t work that well but it could have been FAR worse. Keep in mind that these grades are on an adjusted scale here as most of these would be fails or worse.

Francine and her daughter are at home. She looks bad. Like really bad. She was hot back in the day and now this.

They pay tribute to the people that have died with a graphic and nothing more. No names, no faces, no anything.

Brother Runt vs. Al Snow vs. Rhyno

Runt is Spike Dudley of course and is nearly bald. This is elimination rules and better not break 8 minutes. Spike hits a dive that is ok after some basic stuff. He plays the role of the pinball of course and I still wonder what Snow has to do with this. Snow hits the trapping headbutts on Rhyno. TNA guys are watching in the back. Why they’re here is beyond me because they’re not wrestling.

Acid Drop to Rhyno is blocked and this needs to end fast. We’re on the floor again and you actually can’t see due to the lighting. The referee goes down and Head drills Rhyno. Spike does the Eddie chair thing by slamming the mat with it and throwing it to Rhyno. He and Snow do the same thing so they’re all down. Oh my head hurts. Acid Drop ends Snow and then the Gore ends the whole thing.

Rating: D. I like Snow but this was just bad. There’s a reason these guys retired: THEY AREN’T THAT GOOD ANYMORE. Rhyno is ok at best and he’s the biggest star by far in this. At least he won I suppose, but this was just random as hell with no point at all. Well at least it’s over and wasn’t that long.

Foley is reading Hogan’s book and likes being the ref.

More guys talk about the company, including Sabin and Magnus.

Cajones/Axl Rotter vs. ???/???

Cajones is of course Balls Mahoney. He issues an open challenge and it’s JOEL GERTNER. Ok this is at least an improvement. I think I smell Team 3D. Yep I’m right and they’re in tye-dye. Thankfully Joel does a poem which is funny. He looks…bad. Like even worse than before. It’s a South Philadelphia Street Fight in Orlando according to Ray.

They go split screen here for the sake of torturing us even better. Ray shouts at him and calls him Balls because that’s ok I guess. We go into the crowd for fun. This is “hardcore” I guess with mainly just punching and random shots with weak weapons. We bring in some more traditional weapons back in the ring. The announcers are of course cracking up over everything here instead of selling it like a hardcore match.

Frying pan to the head of Balls. And Mahoney breaks out a damn toy lightsaber. And so does Bubba. I hate this show. I truly do. Axl botches a reverse DDT on Bubba and Nutcracker Suite to D-Von gets two. The fans want flaming tables. They get a chair duel instead. The referee tries a double clothesline on the team that isn’t the Dudleys. It fails, much like this match.

The Dudleys bring in a table and Gertner has lighter fluid. Balls goes through it, ending this mess.

Rating: D-. Flaming table is all that keeps this from failing. This whole show is a damn joke and that’s being kind.

Team 3D says they’re the best in the world and cue The Gangstas. They beat the hell out of each other and then hug.

Raven talks about his past with Dreamer where they were kids together and Dreamer was a jock. Raven slept with a girl Tommy liked and then the girl left Raven for Dreamer. That was Beaulah in case you don’t know that somehow.

Jesse Neal liked the little that he saw of ECW.

Kaz wanted to be in ECW.

Joey Styles should be here but isn’t. Everyone talks about him. This is so stupid. They make it sound like he’s dead.

Raven vs. Tommy Dreamer

For no apparent reason, Foley is the referee. Beaulah is here and is still hot. The fans chant Uncle Scotty to complete this joke. They do the drop toehold spot and Dreamer gets beaten up in front of his kids. Dreamer might be the first guy to bleed tonight. It’s your usual stuff here with the beatdown that isn’t that great but the history makes it watchable. Raven is busted.

The signs are brought in as is the ladder. They do some decent stuff with that for two for Raven. Dreamer Driver gets no cover. We finally get to the barbed wire which is wrapped around Raven’s face. He taps but the BWO runs in to make sure it doesn’t count. This needs a Sandman run-in. Down goes Foley for no apparent reason. Raven Effect gets two. Or is it the Even Flow? Whatever.

Foley and Socko, which they can’t say, takes down Raven and that guy from earlier that we couldn’t recognize in the Blue Meanie skit runs down with a top rope leg drop for Dreamer. Allegedly his name is Lupus? Mandible Claw with wire to Raven of course doesn’t put him down and he cuffs Dreamer.

Beaulah comes in to stop the Rock/Foley ending in the Last Man Standing match which doesn’t work. Dreamer manages to DDT Raven while cuffed behind his back for two. Raven hits Dreamer in the knee with the chair and a DDT on it ends this. Yes, Dreamer jobbed to Raven in the final encounter. I am about to give up.

Rating: D. This started out as an ok brawl but just got insane. To be fair it was a pretty brutal match but the ending is just stupid. The problem is that this feud was perfectly finished in ECW and there was no need for this. Dreamer winning was the right way to go here so of course they didn’t do that. Not a horrible match, but it’s just showing how bad this idea was overall as this feud is one that didn’t need to continue.

The Gangstas hit on So Cal Val and make racial jokes. Borash is New Jack’s bitch now.

We talk about Heyman and say stuff we’ve all heard before.

Sabu vs. Rob Van Dam

It’s 10:15 so hopefully we’re out before half past the hour. Other than that this is going to go WAY too long. Fonzie is in a yellow jacket and RVD comes out first. The fans say this is classic. Sabu is bald. They start out with a feeling out process because they know each other so well. Sabu does his point to the sky and RVD does his pointing. It would be nice if they actually did something.

In an interesting thing Fonzie sends a chair in but does it right down the middle. We hit the crowd for a bit as the chanting is just idiotic. Sabu botches….something and then the camel clutch is on. The bald guy doesn’t look half bad all things considered. With both guys down, Fonzie throws both of them a bottle of water. Both get tables as a result. Oh this isn’t going to end well.

Van Dam hits some slingshot legdrops and Fonzie tries to revive Sabu. Sabu hits a rana to send RVD into a chair in the middle of the ring. It looked totally fake but not bad at the same time. Clutch is on again for like 2 seconds. Triple Jump Moonsault is blocked by Van Dam and Sabu is bleeding from somewhere. Van Assassin hits (the one footed dropkick into the chair while the guy is crotched) and Sabu to the floor.

Ok so that lasts like a second and we’re back now. Morrison, watch an RVD match to see how you do the split legged moonsault, I beg of you. Rolling Thunder to the chair hits for two. Five Star ends it.

Rating: D+. While a mess, this is what it was supposed to be: a war. They beat each other up and it really isn’t as bad as anyone is saying it is. It’s bad, but this is what the match was supposed to be. There was no way it was going to be a classic, but this really wasn’t horrible. It held my attention for the most part and had some decent spots. For the ending to this show, this was bearable.

The locker room empties and we have a beer bash, which isn’t like that other show at all. The crowd chants FUCK YOU VINCE and Dixie gets in the ring. Bubba takes her on a victory lap to end the show.

Overall Rating: D-. Let’s get the obvious out of the way first: this was bad. The wrestling was awful and there were really only two matches worth much of a damn. Luckily those were the two main matches and not the stuff no one remembers. This show is being called one of the worst of all time and from the view that this is the TNA offering this month, they’re right. From the perspective of using your intelligence, that’s not the case. Something that needs to be remembered here is the audience. This wasn’t for the casual wrestling fan. This was for the ECW fan and those people likely loved this. While the wrestling was bad, the booking was smart for the TNA fans as they get their PPV for FREE on Thursday. This was a way to get money out of the people that likely wouldn’t pay for a TNA show 90% of the time while still appeasing those that do. It’s a brilliant strategy from that perspective, but for casual TNA fans this was dreadful.

Another thing to keep in mind is that this was supposed to be like an ECW show. As great and fun as it was, in retrospect One Night Stand was more like a WWE show than an ECW show. This show had the realism of ECW far more than ONS did. This had the bad comedy and the random interference and the bad wrestling and the random matches. This was FAR more like ECW than the show five years ago was. Now that being said I’d still watch ONS over this a million times, but like I said earlier I’m not the target audience in the slightest. This wasn’t a good show, but it will likely be a successful one. It worked from that perspective and will be seen by ECW fans as a success, which is the whole idea. Don’t watch it or anything, but it’s not as bad as it’s made out to be, period.

 

[Kenny Powers]

This show was pretty rough from the get go. Seeing how most of the talent were in bad shape it didn't help matters. I have seen cheap Hardcore Homecoming PPVs that were better done then this one. The lighting was awful, and the extreme dance off reminded me of the cheesy days of ECW on TNN. Speaking of cheesy, why in the hell was there a fake Blue Meanie and a guy holding a naked doll picking each others noses?

I thought we were going to see The Zombie come out next. I don't know how TNA can get by without a lawsuit with Taz slipping over and over again saying the terms ECW, and calling ECW wrestlers by their trademarked names. That is another thing that was painfully obvious that put a damper on the PPV. The announcers couldn't say Balls Mahoney or Justin Credible. I guess its good to get the TNA wrestler's perspective on ECW, but does anyone give a damn what Jesse Neal or Madison Rayne has to say about ECW?

It was pretty sad to see that only 3 TNA wrestlers were backstage. I couldn't say that I blamed the rest for not showing up. 2 Cold Scorpio and CW Anderson put on a decent match. Scorpio can still go despite his age. Stevie Richards vs. Justin.. PJ Polaco was a random match thrown together. I really wish someone would kill "The Blue Tilly". Sandman came out from his coma to cane Polaco. For someone that is already drunk and stoned, you would think that they would show him indulge some on TV.

Rhino vs. Brother Runt. vs. Rhino was an obvious match up. There really hasn't been any matches to write home about. Axl Rotten and "Kahoneys" vs. Team 3D had some horrible camera angles. The light saber duel was pretty ridiculous but the Impact Zone loved it along with everything else tonight. Team 3D putting Balls through a flaming table was really the only hardcore thing that was seen for the past 2 hours. It was great to see New Jack back. I wonder where they dug up Mustafa. I can't believe New Jack didn't kill, rape, or cuss anyone out.

Joel Gertner is big as a house, but he had some funny zingers about poking Lady Gaga in her face. I did enjoy Dreamer vs. Raven, and Sabu vs. RVD. This show just didn't feel special though since there was only so much the talent could do or say. There was also a lot of talent missing.

I thought RVD vs. Jerry Lynn could save the PPV, but unfortunately Lynn was injured. Raven/Dreamer and RVD/Sabu put forth a hell of an effort in their matches. I just think the impact zone overdid it. I'm sure they had a ball, but do you really have to chant "This is Awesome" or "This is Wrestling" every time some one picks up a trash can? These fans would cheer even if someone took a dump in the ring. Chanting "Water Break" and "Holy Shit" after someone does a dropkick.

This PPV may have given TNA a lot of buys, but I don't think anyone wants to see another hardcore reunion anytime soon. I sure don't, and I was actually excited for this thing. I may be harsh, but I think this is one of the worst PPVs TNA has put on this year. Dixie and Tommy Dreamer may have had only the best intentions wanting to honor the originals, but this show was bad from top to bottom.

I don't think the bar has been raised too much for the TNA guys to top the show. I just hope this show hasn't alienated the TNA wrestlers. A valiant effort from a lot of guys working, but this show just lacked the magic. I think all ECW fans know now that ECW shouldn't be brought back by WWE and especially TNA ever again.

 

[Blush]

I enjoyed it, for what it was. I wasn't expecting 5 star matches or anything brilliant. Just out and out whacking with random objects and brawling. For me, it was better than any of the PPV's I've purchased in the past several months. (From both WWE & TNA) Which is kinda sad, really. -- FYI, I never watched any of the original ECW other than snippets and WWE releases, or watched former ECW guys in other promotions.

One thing I was glad to see was Tommy Dreamer moving. It was painful to watch him the other week with his injury against Abyss, but t'night he seemed to be moving a lot easier.

 

[FattysGoneWild]

A light saber duel? Seriously?!!?! That was really "hardcore". I seen the show for free and thought it was really bad. By far the worst ppv possibly ever. The wrestling was sloppy. They looked old and washed up. And are just trying to live that moment again. Get over it. We fans appreciate what you have done. Yet you are only slowing down and pushing a side new talent that can "step up" if given a chance. The crowd was really some thing special. Chanting ECW, this is hardcore at moments when nothing hardcore was happening. You should be chanting TNA if that is the future. Not ECW. It is dead. Quit living in the 90's. Dreamer vs Raven and RVD vs Sabu was the only half way decent matches. Even then I did not like the random interference in the Dreamer vs Raven match. Every thing else on that ppv was complete garbage. This ppv done nothing for TNA and once again. It was a old farts reunion trying to have that "moment" again.

 

[WarrenIronman]

A light saber duel? Seriously?!!?! That was really "hardcore". I seen the show for free and thought it was really bad. By far the worst ppv possibly ever. The wrestling was sloppy. They looked old and washed up. And are just trying to live that moment again. Get over it. We fans appreciate what you have done. Yet you are only slowing down and pushing a side new talent that can "step up" if given a chance. The crowd was really some thing special. Chanting ECW, this is hardcore at moments when nothing hardcore was happening. You should be chanting TNA if that is the future. Not ECW. It is dead. Quit living in the 90's. Dreamer vs Raven and RVD vs Sabu was the only half way decent matches. Even then I did not like the random interference in the Dreamer vs Raven match. Every thing else on that ppv was complete garbage. This ppv done nothing for TNA and once again. It was a old farts reunion trying to have that "moment" again.

There has being worse PPV's than this. This PPV was meant for hardcore ECW fans, not the type of fans now. The ECW fans loved it and was more ECW then ONS was. Again as I said before, unless you can see into the future there is no proof that this will be good or bad for TNA, I find it will bring in some more fans.

 

[tru_overdose]

1. this was by far the worst wrestling PPV ive ever witnessed. id even say it was the worst major promotional wrestling PPV of all time.
2. if you liked it, or thought ANYTHING about it was good, you lose all credibility as a wrestling fan.
3. everyone was old and out of shape. a much bigger slap in the face to ECW than vince ever did.
4. the matches were just awful. i cant think of one moment where i was like "this is cool"
5. how big of an impact does this have on TNA angles? fans do have a short memory these days.

to me, this was business crippling bad for TNA. tonight was the end of the road for that entire company. i give them a year or two before they fold. you just cant defend TNA anymore, outside of some of the good talent they have. on the bright side, some of that great talent will have a shot with the WWE.

 

[Makavoll]

So your saying this crap was better than this card?........

Lance Storm (with Dawn Marie) Vs. Chris Jericho

Three-Way Dance
Super Crazy Vs. Tajiri (with The Sinister Minister and Mikey Whipwreck) Vs. Little Guido (with Tracy Smothers, Tony Mamaluke, Big Guido and J.T. Smith)

Rey Misterio, Jr. Vs. Psychosis

Sabu (with Bill Alfonso) Vs. Rhyno

Chris Beniot Vs. Eddie Guerrero

Mike Awesome Vs. Masato Tanaka

The Dudley Boyz (Bubba Ray and D-Von) Vs. Tommy Dreamer and The Sandman

 

[Wolfdemon]

I don't understand how anyone can say anything bad about this Pay Per View. I never watched ECW back in the day because I was too young and only exposed to WWF. This product was fantastic tonight. All the matches delivered. They did many key things that WWE failed to do with their "Revival" They had the where are they now segments which was really cool. Another thing that I really like was that they had a moment of silence to all the hardcore guys that have died. The thing that I really liked the most that WWE failed to do was that other than showing them in the back the current TNA roster had no part of the show whatsoever. If anyone says that this show was boring or bland they obviously are a one sided wrestling mark that has no true interest in wrestling. I give this show a B+ and the award of the best TNA PPV of the year so far.

 

[dionlyone18]

hahahahaahah this was the biggest clusterfucks of all clusterfucks..oh my god this ppv gets 1.5/5 at best..lol first off..why have it in florida with all those tna marks? bad choice second..umm did someone forget to pay electric bill cause the whole damn thing was in the dark. then we get to team 3d match..now i was starting to think "okay maybe they are doing good this isnt a bad match" but as soon as i think it..here comes NEw jack who isnt a wrestler just a glorified stuntman and they brawl it out and then in mid fight....they hug???? lame then oh this was great...Tenay/Taz on the commentary..(sarcasm realllllll good Between Taz laughing about nothing and Tenay kissing ass i find that to be real good commentary..then oh good lord we get to that "match" between raven and pfft tommy dreamer...so they start the match out withing over to Dreamers kids and saying something i give two shits about. then it was a bonafide blade fest.. yes there old but come one it was nothing but cheap spots and dumb bumps. and then we get to the "big finale" RVD vs Sabu (who looks like a chemo patient btw) between sabu infamous botches and That stupid ass whistle...this match was a )sarcasm) biggg hit..... but ill give the Main Event this..RVD carried the match and that match was pretty good.... Wow and some of you say that was better than ONS? umm Tanaka vs Mike Awsome..go back and watch that match...RVD vs Sabuabck watch that..Y2J vs Lance Storm..yeah The blue meanie, Old farts breakdancing,cheap bumps,and a dead crowd was better than One Night Stand??? wow this PPV made me laugh and thank my lucky stars i didnt waste my money on that rapefest...its a damn shame really ECW had one night to shine...again...and they blew it....Once again TNA magic touch has created comedy gold for the IWC and something to laugh at. once again TNA and ECW is the punchline of many jokes...oh but go back and watch the god awful ppv and between the dead crowd you can hear the sound of all those medicore "wrestlers" minus a few careers stumble further down the drain...

 

[wushady]

I saw it for free and still feel cheated that was the biggest piece of shit wrestling show ever. It was like One night stand '05's ****** brother in my opinion. The last two matches were somewhat descent, but they did nothing to save the train wreck. I pray to god that they will finally let ECW RIP.

I really hope Dixie learned her lesson and never gives full control over a PPV to a guy she just hired ever again. She may have just given WWE some more talent. Since she screwed a lot of loyal TNA talents out of paydays. In favor of a bunch of out of shape drug addicts.

 

[enterkey]

1. this was by far the worst wrestling PPV ive ever witnessed. id even say it was the worst major promotional wrestling PPV of all time.
2. if you liked it, or thought ANYTHING about it was good, you lose all credibility as a wrestling fan.
3. everyone was old and out of shape. a much bigger slap in the face to ECW than vince ever did.
4. the matches were just awful. i cant think of one moment where i was like "this is cool"
5. how big of an impact does this have on TNA angles? fans do have a short memory these days.

to me, this was business crippling bad for TNA. tonight was the end of the road for that entire company. i give them a year or two before they fold. you just cant defend TNA anymore, outside of some of the good talent they have. on the bright side, some of that great talent will have a shot with the WWE.

I'm sorry but to say that this is the worst PPV in wrestling history would be plain ignorant. As many might know I am 100% indifferent about TNA and prefer ANYTHING WWE over TNA but there have been PPV's in the past that have rivaled and even exceeded the levels of suckage that we experienced tonight. Think back to the dieing days of WCW, they had dozens of PPVs that were on par or worse than the one TNA put on tonight and it was regarded, albeit briefly, as the best wrestling promotion on the planet. I would say that Hardcore Justice was around but did neither match nor exceed the horribility of the second most recent ECW ppv, December to Dismember. Sure they had their similarities, the midcards of both were thrown together at the last minute, the main events were horrible, and they replaced a competitor in the main event, in this case it worked in Sabu's favor as opposed to D2D. While they have similar levels of god awfulness I'd give the extremely slight edge to the travesty we witnessed tonight as opposed to the Bobby Lashley clusterfuck

 

[16mikeytot]

Just finished checking out this pay-per-view a while ago and I gotta say it was pretty bad. I'll just point out some things I thought were pretty bad. Dancing in the first match wow this was absolutely ridiculous. A fake Blue Meanie picking another guys nose. The lightsaber battle. What else lets see The Gangstas beating the shit out of Team 3d for two and a half minutes only for them to engage in a big group hug thereafter. Also why were they playing The Gangstas music during the beat down can't really hate on this though because it was kind of funny. I hated the blue light shit. The Dreamer Raven match was pretty boring I've never seen so many ddts in one match it's like the only move Raven can do that or hit someone with a chair. Run ins from people I didn't know. Hell the crowd was even chanting who are you? The main-event was solid with some nice spots but their was this annoying ass whistle that bothered the fuck out of me.

 

[GeneralKarim]

LOL u guys all have mental problems if u think this was shit.It was like the most entertaining shit in years in TNA and WWE combined.It was logical that not all of them will be in good shape or YOUNG.Are u that F*N stupid that u cant see that?All i see is "Man they out a shape" "Man those guys..they OLD son".O fUCKING REALLY?For some old guys and UNIMPORTANT GUYS ( as some people stated ) that sure was a nice PPV.But ofc nothing can please the IWC.I was entertained the whole night every second and loved it.

I respect everyone's opinion but saying that its the worst crap and shit PPV EVER is just plain disrespectful given the fact that the show was better than almost everything WWE and even TNA throws at us( generaly ).

 

[TellMeWhy]

The PPV was entertaining. You microwave generation babies need to get your head out of your asses and allow yourselves to be entertained. Yeah some things stunk up the joint but there was more good than bad on this PPV by far. 3D vs. Axl/Balls was a fun match, Raven vs. Dreamer was 1 of the best hardcore matches in a long time, Sabu vs. RVD was a fun and pretty fast paced match, Too Cold Scorpio vs. CW Anderson was a good fun match, and Rhino vs. Al Snow vs. Brother Runt/Spike was another good fun match. Get your head out of your asses. It was a cool PPV for sure! People who complain about this PPV imo are people who are never satisfied and then you've got TNA haters who hate anything TNA.

 

[jjgp1112]

I'm 95% sure that the people saying this was horrible are speaking from an extremely biased perspective and would've hated it no matter what it was. 16mikeytot: are you really complaining about The Gangsta's music still playing during the beatdown? Have you not actually seen an old ECW clip? I would've shat on the segment if they didn't keep their music playing. Anyway, this was a very good pay-per-view. I admit, I came into this show with low expectations. Since most of these guys are old, I was expecting botches all over the place. But instead, everyone brought their A-Game and created entertaining matches that easily could've happened in the mid-90s. The Balls Mahoney-Bubba Ray light-saber duel reminded me of some of the silly comedy stuff ECW did back in the day, and Joel Gertner's introduction was awesome. The Tommy Dreamer-Raven match was a great throwback. I missed part of Sabu-RVD, but what I saw was really great, and that match far exceeded my expectations because, being that this was a broken Sabu, I was expecting him to botch almost every spot in the match. Most of the other matches besides the opener were decent to good. Solid Pay-Per-View.

 

[nightmare]

.... i was looking foreward to this but became less excited the closer i got to sunday. then i spent money and instantly regretted it. i wanted so bad for this to be a decent ppv, but it was speckled with history & smothered in bullshit. i love tna, very much so infact. & have great memories of ecw, but this was barely ecw, barely. & certianly not something tna should have slapped thier name on.

taz's intro had me set up. he actually had warmup gear on & i thought we were gonna see him fight. nope. not a suplex, tazmission or even a puch thrown. fuckin sad.

the first few matches made me want to call the cable company & get my money back. should have been just kash & guido. the dance off was fucking disgraceful. scorpio looked good for being older but wasnt expecting too much from that one anyway.

omg why do we have these 'sorry i cant be there' segments. would have been better to see the real guys we were sorry that couldnt be there- tajiri, super crazy, shane douglas, whipreck etc... this is making me sick.

finally we get something halfway decent. snow-rhyno-runt. it wasnt fantastic but nt terrible. was atleast feeling better about the show after this.

fucking fake meanie. wtf. would have rather seen nova by himself & nt dressed in blue.

oh great, justin credible vs dr big stevie cool blah blah.... atleast i got to see a piledriver. (thanks) well, there is sandman. thanks for screwing that up guys. white russian & a cane shot. good job 20 second surprise. damn im feeling sick again.

excuse me waiter? can i have some more hardcore in my 'extreme ppv'? it seems to be a little less hardcore & a little more pg.

oh thank god, finally- balls(ahem, kojones) & axl rotten. this is bout to get crazy. and tye dye 3d w\ gertner. now this is starting to make me feel at home. good brawl. lightsabers, ahhhh classic. but flaming tables.... thank god for lighter fluid. the gangsters were a nice surprise & new jack looks not bad. finally a good match that reminds me of ecw & im only 2hrs into the show. argh,.

raven & tommy- thank you for putting on a good match. everything but the kitchen sink (bc mustafa broke it earlier... heh) blood blood blood. now thats what a ecw ppv should feel like. barb wire crossface- fucking sweet.

now for the good stuff, wait.... where the fuck is sabu's hair? ok... now why are we posing down for 5 minutes? well atleast when it got going it was a fun match. good ol sabu spots mixed with some great rvd oldschool ass kickin. left me with a better feeling on that note.

overall a bad ppv. only half of which i would have wanted to book myself. the first half of the show made me want to vomit a little. sad realy b\c they could have done a little more & still nt fucked with vince too bad. just not the same without joey fucking styles or paul heyman. think this idea would have been better used as a mixed ecw\tna ppv. and what the fuck was up with the lights? thanks tommy... now can we keep rhyno, THE DUDLEYS, new jack, raven, rvd& sabu? tell nova to go change clothes & come back after he calls a taxi for the rest of the guys. maybe everyone will think it was all a dream bc of the eerie lights.

atleast we get a good show thursday....

 

[Suneeboy]

I said I wasn’t going to give this a second thought, but I’m a hypocrite. I watched the PPV. I wanted to see how bad it actually could be.

I went in with very low expectations, and to my pleasure I was happily rewarded by TNA for my troubles. I’m a hypocrite, but I’m still a wrestling fan so I’m allowed to bash what I love, at least in my eyes.

As I’m doing my evening chores, I have the show running on my computer. Take that for what you will…now let’s begin.

TNA HardCORE Justice PPV Opener:
They are trying their absolute hardest to not refer to ECW in any way, shape, or form. So if you don’t know what ECW is, you’ll pretty much not know what the show is about, unless they fill you in. It’s a tribute show to a defunct company, that their competition owns the rights to, consisting of some of the people who worked for the promotion at any given time. All of which who are not on good terms or were released from the WWE. Taz talks a little, then addresses the “doubters”…as if the “doubters” are the ones out of their minds for thinking this is a bad idea, and says “kiss my ass”. Good job Taz.

The FBI (Tony Mamaluke, Little Guido and Tracy Smothers) vs. Kid Kash, Simon Diamond & Johnny Swinger
Tenay is apparently going to be kissing ass all night. He was working for a rival promotion, but he loved ECW so much. I guess that’s what he was watching on the road when WCW was touring the globe in the 90’s.
Wow, these guys are out of shape, and the years haven’t been kind to them.
The match starts, and they can move pretty well, but it’s nothing to really smile about or appreciate. It’s borderline pathetic. We stop for a dance off...literally. I think even ECW marks had to face palm when they see that this is a spot in the opening match. Now we have a wrestling match, which is highlighted by a sweet piledriver by Kash. FBI wins, and no one really cares.

Rating: D
The match isn’t really important, so they needed to make up for it from an entertainment standpoint, and that it wasn’t. The wrestlers just look bad.

Taz and Tenay talking. Taz mentions how this is his first time calling an ECW match/event. Tenay awkwardly smiles and agrees. Must be an honor for Mike to call an ECW event, when the company is owned by the WWE, doesn’t exist anymore, and he’s working for TNA. Says he’d gladly step aside if Styles wasn’t contractually obligated. Yeah, I’m sure Styles is very dissapointed he’s not there to call the event.

Backstage segment with Al Snow, Stevie Richards, and the Blue Meanie.
They mock that they can’t say ECW, then it gets corny. Fake Blue Meanie comes out, and we accomplish nothing. These guys just flat out look bad on television. What they are forgetting is that this stuff is being televised and sold as a PPV. Heyman’s not even dead and he’s rolling over in his grave 30 minutes into the show.

CW Anderson vs. 2 Cold Scorpio
Decent match with both guys moving pretty well. They all hit their spots and 2 Cold wins it.

Rating: C
Wrestling isn’t about matches anymore. This is 2010. Wrestling is about storylines and build up. With that said this is a pretty good worked match, but it doesn’t mean anything…literally. I can see where this PPV is going. Other than the 2 matches that are being “billed”, it’s going to be a bunch of random matches, with random ECW stars that no one knows or cares about anymore.

TNA wrestlers talk about what they remember from ECW. Apparently they all were watching and remember it. Is it just me or does all of the respect from the wrestlers seem scripted and forced? They look like they all want to say, “why are these 40 year old wrestlers who no one cares about getting one of our PPV slots, while we sit home on our asses?” Just say it Anderson…you’re an asshole, you know you want to.

Backstage: Rob Van Dam and Bill Alfonso
Another horrible RVD promo, and Bill Alfonso doesn’t help. He sounds terrible, and borderline incoherent. This is bad television folks, I’m sorry. Lynn is out, and Sabu is in. RVD is going to win anyway.
P.J. Polaco (Justin Credible) vs. Stevie Richards

I read on the net that Credible works in an Olive Garden now so he must be happy to be here. I know I would be. Richards wins with the Stevie Kick. Sandman comes out afterwards and his some cane spots on Credible for some pops.

Rating: C-
It’s hard to get into it when as a viewer you know the matches don’t mean anything, and have no build. They have completely alienated the TNA fanbase here, and they are doing a poor job of trying to bring new fans in. They are relying on non-TNA fans to watch, but I don’t think they’ve done enough, plus there appears to be no pay off.

More tributes to ECW, with more people that no one cares about.

Brother Runt (Spike Dudley) vs. Al Snow vs. Rhino
You know something….I just can’t watch anymore. This is just a flat out bad show. Out of shape, irrelevant wrestlers, with terrible looks, and an awful weird blue lighting. This is truly unwatchable. The only reason this show should be watched is so you can see how bad these old ECW guys look now, and so you can see how FAR TNA has regressed as a wrestling promotion in just 8 short months.

I intended to watch and write a full review, but I just can’t…not even for free. I read the results of the show, and it looks like I didn’t miss anything important anyway.

So what’s the point of this? The point is that ECW doesn’t mean anything any longer, and these guys just don’t cut the mustard any more. It worked in cult like fashion in the 90s, but over a decade later, wrestling fans are over a decade smarter, therefore you have to bring something to the table that the viewers will enjoy. They relied on the ECW fanbase, and the ECW fanbase only to support this show. Hogan, Bischoff, Heyman, and so many others wanted nothing to do with this show, and for good reason. It doesn’t accomplish anything. ECW is dead. This PPV is awful, and I don’t think there are many out there who will say this is a good show. All it did was tarnish the TNA brand, and make Dixie look as incompetent as many of her biggest critics claim she is. If you like to watch television, then avoid this show in every capacity.

You will feel better on the inside if you do.

Great job TNA at really shooting yourself in the foot with the fans. Hopefully none of these guys will make an appearance in TNA ever again. Will TNA ever be fun to watch again? Will they ever do something right again? I am starting to think that this company will be bankrupt in a year or two if Vince isn’t already on deck to sue them out of existence already.

 

[Yankeepride2302]

I grew up an ECW fan and loved watching these guys wrestle and use the weapons etc. This pay per view was far from "Hardcore". I understand these guys are past their prime but seriously this was a damn joke. RVD vs Sabu was mediocre at best, Dreamer vs Raven was mediocre at best. Team 3D carried their entire match and even they did a bad job but it wasn't their fault when they are working with guys who haven't been in a ring in some time. But yet again TNA managed to FAIL again in trying to top WWE.

You may not like WWE but Vince is always one step ahead of his competition and Dixie will never match that. TNA is starting to get even worse and I am not even sure how that's possible. Vince Russo is a moron and can only seem to keep coming up with the same story lines with a minor twist. So lets bring in WCW talent and all the guys that WWE got rid of because that's gonna help you out so much. Keep up the good work, maybe eventually TNA will get a TV rating over 1.0, but again I highly doubt it. We all saw how well TNA did when it went up againt Raw, it lost badly. Vince may be an ass but his staff is just that much ahead of TNA, good luck!!

 

[Zeven_Zion]

This was without a shadow of a doubt the most entertaining piece of Television I've seen in the last three years. I didn't watch a BIT of ECW, the old one, and some people warned me that I'm not going to like this if I'm a TNA fan. Well, guess what, I didn't like it. I LOVED IT!

Every-single-match was absolutely awesome.

And for the people who say that these guys are old and out of shape. WELL FUCKING DUH! What did you expect? Ripped grandpas?

Fact is, they were old, they looked like shit, but they did their thing and did it in a very, very entertaining way. The crowd was absolutely nuts, the whole show was pure entertainment and that's that.

 

[ashcjtw]

is it just me or did francine look reeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaally hot last night??

 

[Lloyd Chrstms]

I watched ECW from 1995 until they went bust on TNN. I AM a fan of ECW and not some noob cookie. I even knew who Lupus was before Taz said his name. I use these examples as a preface to my real point: THIS SHOW WAS TRASH!

Some of you braindead people on here claimed that "it was a PPV for the fans of the old ECW". I say bullshit to that. It was a PPV that only moron marks could possibly enjoy. And I'm not talking about ECW marks...I'm talking about the marks that wouldn't know what is "good" if it smacked them in the head with a toy lightsaber. (Har Har...so cool TNA *rolls eyes*) The wrestling was bad all around. The constant kayfabe/legit/kayfabe/legit shit was annoying as hell. The fans in the Impact Zone should be euthenized for their stupidity. Great chants there you ******s. The "Fuck you Vince" chant at the end made me pray that the Impact Zone had a gas leak. A toxic gas leak that killed people instantly. Yea Vince killed ECW by trying to elevate younger talent like...oh I don't know...The Pope? A guy that TNA fans love but wouldn't be shit without Vince's WWECW. Whats worse than a hypocrite? A braindead hypocrite with obvious memory loss.

Did I hate the whole PPV? No. I'm thrilled anytime I get to see Stevie Richards on tv. Yup...thats pretty much it.

It was a failure from the perspective of any real fan of wrestling that has even half a brain. Dixie Carter proves more and more everyday that she is a waste of oxygen.