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[OFFICIAL] NXT Aftermath, Review, and Ratings Thread

Are you familiar with Tough Enough? That show broke Kayfabe a long time ago while showing the trainers teach moves to the students and getting them to practice promos. This show sounds like a repeat of that show, so because of that, nothing is new here.

Kayfabe is pretty much dead in this day and age anyway. Sure, they put on a show, but everyone knows wrestling is scripted. It's the year 2010 after all.

Yeah I remember Tough Enough, I didn't watch it a whole lot though. I had mixed feelings back then and still would now since I tend to prefer things on tv that are scripted. I believe most things on tv should be an escape from reality and "not real". That's why WWE breaking kayfabe bothers me sometimes. I'm still mostly looking forward to NXT and will give it a shot because I can see future members of Raw/Smackdown doing training.... Plus an unscripted show is much better than a failing third brand to me as well, despite my dislike for shows that are "real".
 
I am actually pleased with this change. In ecw there are about 13 superstars we saw all the possiblities of matches basically. Vince and wwe realized a change was needed and seeing superstars we never saw before make there way up the roster would be a new innovative idea. I just hope they don't blow it.
 
I'm going to miss ECW. It was consistently solid week after week. It brought us back The Hurricane, made Goldust important, gave us CM Punk, The Miz, John Morrison, Yoshi Tatsu, and countless others. It had good wrestling, good storylines and promos, and was just a joy to watch. Its hour format gave you just enough to want more. And I always considered it "my show".

However, I'm not completely upset with the change. NXT sounds like a good and interesting concept, similar to Tough Enough but hopefully with more of a chance of the participants succeeding. It will be really interesting to see young wrestlers go to work week after week and improve. I love reading wrestling books that expose the business but still recount matches from that wrestler's point of view (Like Hart's and Foley's books), and NXT looks to be similar, in a way. I'm quite looking forward to it, despite losing my favorite brand.
 
In a few days time ECW will take it's final curtain and all superstars will become free agents and most will either go to RAW or Smackdown, but who do you think still needs fine tuning and continue to work in the new "minor leagues" and go to NXT.

let me know if anyone should stay on the "down low" of WWE programming
 
From what I have read NXT will not be a wrestling program with in ring action and it's own wrestlers but a "Tough Enough"/"Ultimate Fighter" hybrid that will showcase different guys in developmental to try to make it to RAW or SmackDoown.
 
If the entire thing is going to be in kayfabe, then it's going to be a terrible idea, plain and simple. We don't need a "reality" TV show in a franchise everybody knows is fake these days. If it's not in kayfabe, then it pretty much trivializes the other shows.

I just don't think a reality TV show is a good idea. I didn't like the idea of Tuff Enough either. Their training will help them so much more substantially than a reality TV show ever will.
 
Well doing the reality angle of it does open it up to new markets. A lot of people love stupid reality shows because they think it's actually reality. The only problem is nowadays "reality TV" is just as scripted as regular TV. And since it is a reality show the characters will get practice working with the camera more and could essentially help their mic skills in the future. Plus at it's recent state, ECW wasn't doing anything relevant anyways. A change like this could be a good thing...
 
I find this concept interesting. Doing 3 or 4 seasons a year. I'm assuming maybe 3 or 4months each. It looks to have good talent and maybe with whomever they make the trainers or whatever it will get interesting. I've heard Bryan Danielson is the best wrestler in the world. I want to watch this and see if he seems as good as they say. We've all seen Kaval in TNA. It's good to see Brett Dibiase and Joe Hennig on TV to see if they are anthing like there fathers. We'll just have to see how well this plays out.

Does anyone have any idea who the other 4 case member are. I can only assume that these will be the trainers.

I'd say:
Dustin Rhodes aka Goldust would make a great one.
Finlay is already a trainer and can show the tough side of wrestling
Billy Kidman is a FCW trainer and it would be great to see him teach these kids a few high flying moves
Dean Mylenko should show the technical sides of things.

What are you guys thoughts?

Of course there are always a host on reality shows so I'm not really sure what to think there, maybe Josh Matthews would work.
 
Real World + Tough Enough is exactly what I thought when I heard about this. Since I was a big fan of Tough Enough I'm now interested in how NXT will turn out. It sounds like a good idea, but I'm not entirely sure what to expect.
 
I'm not excited for this, but I'm not against it either. I think I will just have to watch it and see what happens (without trying to sound all high and mighty,you all should do the same). Tough Enough wasn't as good as I thought it would be, so I hope this isn't like that. I hope that they have a live show per month, with actual matches and storylines used from the reality show.

As for trainers? I would like to see some guys from the past and some from the present (who aren't being used well/often). Guys from right now would be like Finlay, Regal, Chavo Guerrero, and Dustin Runnells. Guys from the past like Arn Anderson, Dean Malenko, Billy Kidman (didn't know he was a trainer now, good idea), and hopefully Ricky Steamboat. I hope this turns out to be a good show, I would hate to see them have to scrap it soon and then not know what the hell to do with that timeslot.
 
I think it all depends on the storyline(s) they use in it. I just don't want to see them re-hashing old storylines/gimmicks like they are doing currently, IE Sheamus (the whole irish thing has been done before with Finlay, granted Finlay hasnt obviously won the big one in the WWE) or Cena being like Hogan was 20 years ago.
 
Im actually quite interested in this, and would watch it if I had the capability to do so. It is something different than from all the other wwe/tna programming that is pretty mundane and repetitive right now. Is it reality? In some ways probably. I always like the interactions between rookies and pros and between trainers and trainees. Will a lot of the actual conflict be scripted? Definitely, but hell it may be a way for the wwe writers to do something new for a change, it may rejuevenate a lot of them, and it could translate to better storylines on wwe programming in the future.

Is this like Tough Enough? Sure it is, the only main difference is that, opposed to tough enough where you were lucky to find 1 guy who may become a wwe superstar (really only miz and morrison are stars that came from tough enough). In this show, you are very well seeing 8 guys with high potential to be superstars in the wwe, maybe even main eventers. You have some 2nd/3rd generation superstars in Joe Henning and Bret Dibiase, someone who was a huge star in ROH in Daniel Bryan, Kaval who can be a star in his own right, along with the top of the wwe development at this time. It will be fun to see the beginnings of their careers, and see how they all will progress. I always love the nostaglia feeling when a guy is a main eventer and thinking, "I remember when this guy first debut, or feuded with this guy way back when and I knew then he was going to be something".
 
Does anyone agree that this is kinda becoming WWE's The Ultimate Fighter? I mean yeah, it's one-on-one training between Pro and Rookie, but the inevitable conflicts between the rookies and their coaches give an Ultimate Fighter feel to it. Just something I wanted to put out there.
 
Im not sold on this NXT I want to see where it goes. It sounds like their gonna try to promote the WWE wrestling into a legitimate competition indirectly by having such a show. Sounds very much like The Ultimate Fighter for WWE. Plus I think there will be no guys then doing serious gimmick characters anymore, unless they are brought up to main tv not from NXT. It will be kind of dumb to see NXT guys start doing serious gimmicks after their season ends and they are pushed up or something. There won't be anymore characters like an Undertaker or even a Kane created anymore. I think thats one of the things missing in WWE is good gimmicks if they are done right. Too many cookie cutter characters and physiques in WWE especially. Right now I would have preferred they kept ECW as a straight wrestling show with a different brand name and focus on newer wrestlers. Just made it a step higher than FCW. Tough enough was different in that most of the entrants were not wrestlers or had backgrounds like being in indies. This show could ruin the careers of some of the talent involved or put them in a bad light prematurely. It all depends a lot on what the format of this show is too.
 
So, is anyone else as disappointed as I am to learn that "NXT" is seemingly nothing more than a re-vamped version of "Tough Enough"?

I think that canning E.C.W, all to randomly go in another direction with what would basically be viewed as 'indy talent', is a major mistake. Its one thing to say okay, we're gonna just re-name the show and start fresh. Its another to say okay, we haven't given Tough Enough its just due yet, but people won't take to the name, so lets fuck with their heads.

Out of the talent of "rookies", I'm only going to go out on a limb and assume that "Daniel Bryan" aka Bryan Danielson (really? Thats the best they could give him) is going to win everything. However, I think its the guy Punk is mentor'ing.. does anyone else view this guy as looking exactly like John Cena.. only black, with Scotty 2 Hottie's hair?

Yep.. not at all looking forward to this show.
 
Looking at their pictures on WWE.com, I don't hold out much hope for this new brand. Danielson is filling that brands quota of plain, which I see as a positive, the rest look like a bunch of rubbish indy wrestlers, which I assume a lot of them once were. When you see the looks of wrestlers they've bought in over the years, Ezekiel Jackson, Sheamus, Drew McIntyre and a couple of others, the only conclusion is that these new wrestlers are more in the mould of Ricky Ortiz, Caylen Croft, Tyler Reks etc. There's nobody there that looks like a star in the making. Hopefully I'm wrong.
 
So, is anyone else as disappointed as I am to learn that "NXT" is seemingly nothing more than a re-vamped version of "Tough Enough"?

I think that canning E.C.W, all to randomly go in another direction with what would basically be viewed as 'indy talent', is a major mistake. Its one thing to say okay, we're gonna just re-name the show and start fresh. Its another to say okay, we haven't given Tough Enough its just due yet, but people won't take to the name, so lets fuck with their heads.

Out of the talent of "rookies", I'm only going to go out on a limb and assume that "Daniel Bryan" aka Bryan Danielson (really? Thats the best they could give him) is going to win everything. However, I think its the guy Punk is mentor'ing.. does anyone else view this guy as looking exactly like John Cena.. only black, with Scotty 2 Hottie's hair?

Yep.. not at all looking forward to this show.


I'm not either. I'm glad ECW was finally laid to rest, but at least it was a brand show that some people were interested in. I mean it was a C show with abysmal ratings but people tuned in. I don't see what reason there is for people to tune into this Tough Enough version 2.0.

Danielson is probably the only one on there with talent. I really don't see why he needs a mentor especially one like The Miz. Anyways, I'll watch it and see how it goes. I predict that people will tune in for a little while and then not tune in at all.

If this was another show like Raw or Smackdown with Indy wrestlers it might be alright, but since its a reality tough enough show. I don't know how it could keep people interested.
 
Danielson being mentored by The Miz. *shakes head in disbelief*

Danielson has at least 4 or 5 more years wrestling experience than The Miz does.

Fairly certain that's the point, mate. On screen, The Miz will be a mentor (or possibly a bully). Backstage, Danielson will help The Miz improve his in-ring skills while Miz helps Danielson with some mic skills and how to adapt to the "WWE Style". It's a great partnership and could lead to an awesome Danielson/Miz US Championship feud.
 
I, for one, think this NXT Concept could work out very well. McMahon has been trying for years and years since the 94 Billy Graham Trial debacle (where he was forced on the stand to admit wrestling was, in essence, fake; damn you billy graham) to have people believe that aspects of their programming was legit and "real". I see this as a great platform to really get people interested again.

If it is a reality show type idea where they have established stars "training" up and comers, they can legitimately make all of the "mentors/trainers" like Regal really make the wrestlers look tougher than they've looked in the public's eyes in years. All of us know there are aspects of wrestling that are extremely hard on the body, and legitimately require someone with a tough body and mind to be able to survive it. When people see on TV just how damaging it is to take a simple back bump, it will make the naysayers step back and re-evaluate a lot of the things they have said over the years.

Also, a lot of the "new talent" they are bringing in (which will all probably be sold on TV as "brand new to the business") have a platform to really get themselves over. For instance Daniel Bryans (Danielson). My guess is they'll introduce him as a guy with limited amateur wrestling background that wants to "Get into the wrestling business" (ignoring his past in the independents, in pure WWE Style), and by having him paired with the Miz could really start a mentor/trainee feud that could end up in getting Bryans over huge in the end. His storyline could work through the first season, where he listens to the miz at first, then starts getting sick of him, and decides to push himself to the point where Miz starts getting angry that this "kid" is actually becoming a real wrestling threat, to which they'll have the classic "underdog" versus established heel feud, with Bryans coming out on top and having him win a contract to one of the major shows.

Now, I read that NXT will build towards ONE superstar overcoming the rest in sort of a "bracketed" type match booking structure that will take the course of the whole season to climax, and that winning superstar getting the Brand contract, but I believe a lot of these names will also get put on shows simply because they will get themselves over for the fans and really impress management.

Also, knowing it's WWE, they do have their eyes set on certain names that this NXT Program can really help build into recognizable names, so they aren't just a nobody (to the audience marks) when they debut on a brand, and have a running start to building themselves a name in the big 'E', instead of floundering as most new names do due to having no previous connection with the crowd (which NXT will genuinely build).
 
Well, I haven't been able to follow the inception of the whole NXT-concept, but from what I'm reading, I guess this is a pretty smart move, especially in this day and age. As far as I can tell, this is somewhat borrowed from Eric Bischoff's "Celebrity Wrestling" concept, but to me seems a smarter evolution of that approach in so far, as it is geared toward helping the entire WWE product in the long run, instead of just being a stand-alone-show that will have no lasting effect whatsoever.

Now, what I see in this move is that WWE has realized that it needs to go with the times, and considering that "reality" shows are pretty much all the rage right now, it was a natural conclusion to move into that genre somehow; even though it is probably quite a bit harder to mesh the pseudo-"reality" of reality shows (which mostly are scripted anyways) with the suspension-of-disbelief-"reality" that wrestling is in and of itself. And I believe it will be very interesting to see how WWE intend to pull off that mixture of reality show with the keyfabe world of pro wrestling, and how much of what we will get to see will indeed be "real" or how much will be scripted; I think it is an interesting concept to even further mix up reality and fiction in this way, since this has always been when wrestling was at its best - when reality and fiction got so mixed up, that people could no longer tell what was "real" and what wasn't. And if NXT can exploit that concept, this could be a win-win situation, both for the new brand as well as for WWE as a whole.

For the basic idea is simply: emotional attachment. It's what makes shows like American Idol and its countless spinoffs work so well. People watch the cast members go through the trials and turmoils of the shows, and then succeed or fail; but no matter who wins in the end, and no matter how good they really are as musicians: people usually buy their albums in gigantic numbers right from the get-go, regardless of how good (or not) they are - simply because they have become emotionally attached to the characters on the show, and then "instantly like" their music.

And I think that is what WWE is gunning for here: instead of "wasting" time of building new talent by having to push them on the regular "flagship" shows (which then in turn takes time away from the already established people, those who already are draws and generate money), they use the NXT brand to build them up; through the "reality" effect of e.g. showing more about the people's "real" history, background, family, maybe some of their emotional state etc..., they get the audience to care more about those people than about some random newcomer who is tossed into the ring a few weeks in a row with the likes of Triple H, John Cena or Edge on RAW or Smackdown.

And once this emotional attachment is established by way of the "reality" portion of NXT, I guess WWE is looking to have an "instant star" when the "winner" finally is moved to one of the "official" pro brands, without having to spend months and years of building them up, or at least significantly shortening this buildup time.

I guess it will really depend on how well WWE can execute this mixing up of "reality" elements and scripted "pro wrestling" elements, and how the audience reacts to that... but I think it's definitely an improvement over the old ECW brand. Not that that would have been bad per se; it was what it was, and it was used to build up younger stars before they "move up" to RAW or Smackdown; but essentially, it was still the same concept of a show like RAW and SD, only with people no one (really) cared about.

Now you still have people no one really cares about (yet), mixed with some mid-card talent (who now also are able to gain more exposure through these additional appearances, which also helps them establish themselves in peoples' minds), but in a different concept that might make better use of precisely the non-stardom of these newcomers, by exploiting the "learning process" and "slow progress" element of casting/reality shows instead of having to work desperately to make people, who obviously are nowhere near real superstars yet, look halfway believeable.

So this might be a pretty smart concept, but of course it remains to be seen how well it can be executed, and if the audience really buys into the concept.
 
Ok so I've watched the first episode of NXT.

Firstly, I really like that every wrestler has a character. A personality. Also, every character has a storyline of sorts to work with. And lastly, every match had a lot of meaning to it because you can really feel the competition to get that to next spot up amongst the rookies.

What surprised me was, this all feels like what wrestling should be in the first place. It doesn't feel like a next step necessarily, but just a new wrestling show that's actually done right.

WWE's last new show Superstars was a disaster. It was just matches. There was no meaning to any of it.

This is the exact opposite. This really feels like getting back to traditional wrestling in my opinion even though it calls itself an evolution. This feels a bit like when I watch CZW, how the storylines are organic and grow from reality. It also has a TNA feel to it because the storyline for each and every individual is emphasized within it. It's just a lot of what I'm looking for from a wrestling show nowadays.

To me, there's no comparison between this and the modern ECW. ECW just never did enough to really make me want to watch every week. Even at it's best, it just wasn't working like it could have or should have. But this is fresh and works. I just hope they can keep up the quality.

Any thoughts about the general feel of NXT? Is it an evolution or traditional? Do you like what they're doing with it?
 
I was highly, highly entertained by the debut episode of NXT. Each wrestler had personality as you said, and a reason to make you care. That's something missing from many wrestlers today.

Obviously it was great seeing my favorite wrestler appear on a big stage and get some mic and ring time, but I was also impressed with David Otunga. I wasn't expecting much except to be mildly entertained by his character, but instead found myself really digging him. Same goes with Michael Tarver. The little packages where they talked about themselves were a great addition that gave you insight into their personalities. Why should we boo Otunga? Because he's a pompous ass. Why should we cheer Bryan Daniel? Because he seems like a nice guy that won't put up with The Miz's bullshit.

My one complaint was the Jericho/Danielson match not getting a lot of time, but I'm sure as Danielson gets bigger and bigger on the show he'll have longer and longer matches.

It's too early to say if it's a true step forward or not, but it was a great debut episode and my hopes are high for next week.

Overall, I would give it a solid A.
 
I only got on about 10 minutes into it in time to see Miz slap Bryan (gotta get used to that). I agree, this show seemed special, and seems like they finally hit the nail dead center on the head. If they keep going with this set up it may very well be a legitimately popular show. But it's far too early to decide.

I though that Bryan vs. Jericho match was pretty damned good. It was interesting to hear a WWE announcer say "Go Look on the internet, you'll find out a lot about this guy" in retort to Cole's comments on no one knowing him. Sort of "non-wwe" style there.

The match was awesome, and you can tell that Daniel is going to be the one pushed the heaviest.

For some reason I really like this Otunga guy. I don't watch FCW because a) It's not on my satellite provider and b) CBF'd to stream it or download it, so I have no clue who this guy is and I'm interested. A big ripped dude like that with the smarts of a harvard law background (obvious intelligence) will be an interesting character to watch week in and week out.

The whole CM Punk thing with his partner... he is right, what the hell is he doing there, especially being paired with whoevertheheckheis (don't even remember his name, that's how much I cared), and was quite happy to have Otunga win extremely quickly and get that dude off my screen.

Overall, the debut show was pretty damned good. I'd hope they can keep this vibe going, but it's far... FAR too early to assume anything about it.
 
I felt as if the show was very well done. Sure, we didn't get to see every superstar extensively, but it seems as if every rookie is getting their chance to shine. Whether it's cohesion between Slater and Christian (the one pairing that I think will end up working the best together), or the tension between Miz and Bryan, each rookie has not just a gimmick, but a relationship with another worker. In the aforementioned two cases, it looks like that pairing will carry them places.

Even with workers we didn't get to see, such as Justin Gabriel, we know enough about them to want to tune in. I'm genuinely excited to see Gabriel and Hardy wrestle, as I feel like Gabriel could be one of the breakout stars of this "season" of NXT. Even the "less talked-about" pairings, such as Tarver and Carlito, I can foresee something happening with, that'll help elevate Tarver. Frankly, I think NXT looks to have a great chance in developing stars, something that, if things keep on the same level of this first episode, will more than likely done better than any New Superstar Initiative was able to do.
 
Did anyone else notice that the ENTIRE episode was completely watchable? No Raw in recent memory has been a respectable show without having a single thought to change the channel because the show was WRESTLING. That was what I hae been looking for in WWE and TNA for about 3 years and i feel completley satisfied. NXT might be my favorite program within the next few weeks.
 

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