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Glenn,
I know (well, heard I guess) that you have booked in the past. I am very interested in the creative side of wrestling and was just wondering if you have any tips/pointers that goes into writing wrestling television.

Thank You.
 
Glenn,
I know (well, heard I guess) that you have booked in the past. I am very interested in the creative side of wrestling and was just wondering if you have any tips/pointers that goes into writing wrestling television.

Thank You.

Here is my idea on how to become a wrestling television writer.

If all you want to do is write for wrestling and have no writing background, then it will be almost impossible to get there. The other way of doing it is get into the wrestling business. Whether it be a manager, wrestler, valet, ring crew, technician, whatever. Usually writers are either former wrestlers, managers or worked their way up through the company. The rest are established wrestlers or rare celebs such as Freddie Prinze Jr.

If Glenn's answer is in anyway constructive, it may resemble my answer. However, he only knows his path and the people he knows path of getting there. As far as i am concerned, there is no wrong way of doing it, but a hard way would be to just apply every month if you have no television writing experience. Getting that experience is unlikely to occur in a short enough time span before you will probably get bored with it.
 
Hey, I assume Glen reads these. I've read all of your articles so far (to my knowledge, I may have missed some) and I usually agree with some of what you say, and disagree with some. However, I have agreed alot wiht your last few. I do disagree about the brawl-n-chain match, that deserved to be bood despite the efforts of Lethal and Dutt. I agree that the Rangers are better than Philly, but Calgary owns all. Anyways, thanks for the quality articles, wether or not I agree with them all.
 
Glenn's latest article on 8/13/2008 is up:

http://www.wrestlezone.com/column.php?articleid=220634334

*Jason Powell on prowrestling.net had some pretty unwarranted , harsh criticisms of TNA's creative after last week's show. He feels that the creative team needs a transfusion and new blood. Mind you, this is after the rating dropped for the first time after a four week uptick. When are these guys going to realize that they're fans of a product that doesn't draw? Two weeks ago the show was ripped apart by the internet community and it did the highest number since February. Archive some of the Raw reviews since CM Punk won the belt. "Raw is must see tv now!" "I can't wait for next week's Raw!" Now check Raw's numbers the past couple of weeks. Powell feels TNA needs to get someone with the pulse on the target demographic, as if the internet wrestling community has a pulse on it. I'm more interested in Powell's sleepers and busts in his fantasy football rankings than I am in his product review of TNA, because I think he knows more about what he's talking about when it comes to football.
I agree with Glenn here. Raw's ratings are dipping when these guys praise the show and when there's "some" heat on TNA, the rating is at their best for TNA. They drew 1.6 mil viewers a few weeks ago - the highest since February.

*Sometimes I feel really lonely on this site. Honestly, when i read the internet sites I can't seem to find anyone that shares my opinions. Now of course there are some people on the message boards with half a brain that can understand what I'm talking about and respect my opinions, but in all honesty there is just a universal anti-TNA vibe from the writers on the web. I think what they do is that they spend so much time reading each other's stuff, that they're basically collectively brain washing each other. Unfortunately, the sites have less credibilty than TMZ.com. But what you get is basically one universal opinion worded different ways. At least this site has Scott Hudson besides myself. He calls it like HE sees it, not like how everyone else does.
Yeah, I get that same vibe. People seem to disrespect Russo and sometimes, TNA.. but they LOOOVE to talk about it. I agree with teh collectively brainwashing each other statement. Many of the fans online read the columns posted by Meltzer, Keller, Storm and each other's posts and copy exactly what each other say without really having an opinion of their own.

I didn't really follow the Olympics either. Olympics is kidna boring.. unless there's some heat.. see Michael Johnson vs Donovan Bailey.. 100m dash many years ago.. that was like a wrestling feud, haha..

Yeah, anyway, i just hope TNA continues gto get better. this hacksaw highway guy is new to the boards... 16 - so probably 5 when the attitude era started. these kids have to grow up enjoying what the WWE shoves down their throats even though it's significantly worse than what Russo used to write back in the day.. damn.
 
See... one thing i hate is people saying the internet has an Anti-TNA vibe. This is the same internet who rips apart blockbuster films, tv shows and whatever else. BUT... those people don't come online and bitch about how their product is being treated with an unfair bias. WWE and TNA both seem to do this. All the writers i read WANT to see TNA succeed and are happy for its recent financial success. They praise their house shows, talent roster and some of its more interesting story lines.

When something is bad however, we are going to call the company out on it. While the financial stability and house show/ppv quality is great, the product on TV is what people see and when we can't enjoy it or see glaring writing errors (i have taken professional writing courses for the entertainment industry) that may no logistical sense, we want our voices to be heard.

If they really hated TNA to the point of bias, they wouldn't watch it and complain about it. Though most journalist do watch it and have a right to express their opinion on where things are going.

So Glenn, stop doing the "poor TNA" routine. I don't watch WWE and thus, don't complain about it often because i could really give a crap about them. All i hope for is for the wrestling business to boom again. The easiest way that could happen is for TNA to become its own competitive product with a similarly large audience base. Since the buy rates and the ratings are stagnant (which isn't bad, but it shows the audience is either shuffling or not expanding and that isn't good), it shows no real progress is getting made where it matters.

TNA is doing all these story lines that we all hate because it increases viewers but i haven't seen the numbers rise. Financially, it was just a matter of time TNA had a business plan that worked. It has little to do with how they book or write, because the profit is coming from other things besides buy rates and ratings.

At Hard Justice, most of the heels were cheered and the faces were booed or given mixed reactions. Something is wrong. Glenn, you said so yourself. It does not work if the fans boo the faces and cheer the heels. That's what happened several times Sunday night. When Samoa Joe is getting a mixed reaction, like what WWE does with Cena, something is wrong. TNA (WWE) took what was great about Joe (CENA) and tossed it in favor of a their new image.

I loved the Victory Road ending because THAT is the Samoa Joe people love. Not the whining Samoa that we see every week. Then you have him beat down Team 3D after the tag match and make him seem like a heel. Does TNA management think this through? It seems like they put no thought into what they are writing.

What happened to the cold hearted Samoa Joe of 2006. The one that tagged with Sting but after the bell, ignored the beat down he received?

If this is all leading to Samoa Joe turning heel or tweener and just becoming that character again, then i apologize for judging beforehand. However, to me right now, much of the writing of his character makes little sense.
 
I want to comment on Disco Inferno saying the Olympics are boring to watch. I want to counter his statement on that after tonight's HILARIOUS/AMAZING performances of two specific competitions I watched.

- First, there was a 41 year old US woman won silver for swimming. not bad

- Second: Michael Phelps.. 8 for 8 in gold medals. Super record. The last 4x10 with US swimming - they never lost in 11 competitions. Australia was close, USA was winning, Japan took the lead after 3. Phelps took the lead and the fourth guy won. Exciting 4 minutes

- 100m RUNNING - USAIN BOLT of Jamaica

If Glenn sees this and says this wasn't exciting, entertaining and hilarious, then he's an idiot...

This guy was just super entertaining to watch. his mother was going nuts... He was running, took the lead, and w/ 2 seconds left, he was super in the lead, and was already COCKY - he was bragging w/ 2 seconds left with his hands and looking at the camera.

He then hugged his family and some chinese fans got in between, and he still hugged them. It was hilarious.

And what made it even more entertaining when they went to commercial break, that this guy was so cocky that he was taking pictures with him and the "WR 9:68" sign... after he was pointing at that, he took his shoe off and took the same picture

Entertaining as hell = beats the living shit out of wwe
 
I want to comment on Disco Inferno saying the Olympics are boring to watch. I want to counter his statement on that after tonight's HILARIOUS/AMAZING performances of two specific competitions I watched.

- First, there was a 41 year old US woman won silver for swimming. not bad

- Second: Michael Phelps.. 8 for 8 in gold medals. Super record. The last 4x10 with US swimming - they never lost in 11 competitions. Australia was close, USA was winning, Japan took the lead after 3. Phelps took the lead and the fourth guy won. Exciting 4 minutes

- 100m RUNNING - USAIN BOLT of Jamaica

If Glenn sees this and says this wasn't exciting, entertaining and hilarious, then he's an idiot...

This guy was just super entertaining to watch. his mother was going nuts... He was running, took the lead, and w/ 2 seconds left, he was super in the lead, and was already COCKY - he was bragging w/ 2 seconds left with his hands and looking at the camera.

He then hugged his family and some chinese fans got in between, and he still hugged them. It was hilarious.

And what made it even more entertaining when they went to commercial break, that this guy was so cocky that he was taking pictures with him and the "WR 9:68" sign... after he was pointing at that, he took his shoe off and took the same picture

Entertaining as hell = beats the living shit out of wwe

sorry, but if i'm supposed to be interested in sports i could care less about just because our country is participating, then i apologize. i'm not interested in watching 14 year old's doing summersaults and swimmers, and i get more excited when my team defense has a 100 yard kickoff return in fantasy football than i am watching some guy i've never heard of run faster than a few guys. i like the boxing, but we sucked, and i watch olympic hockey.
 
sorry, but if i'm supposed to be interested in sports i could care less about just because our country is participating, then i apologize. i'm not interested in watching 14 year old's doing summersaults and swimmers, and i get more excited when my team defense has a 100 yard kickoff return in fantasy football than i am watching some guy i've never heard of run faster than a few guys. i like the boxing, but we sucked, and i watch olympic hockey.
Glenn, don't judge something you haven't seen. I didn't watch the 15 year olds doing gymnastics, but there are other events that are exciting. and the personas of the guy who won the 100m race was just super entertaining

i cant find the link on youtube as it's probably violating copyrights... and gets removed.

the phelps guy winning the 8th gold medal straight was entertaining to watch live. it had the hype packages, the drama, the "whether he is going to pull it off" anticipation. and when he did.. damn...

this guy is pretty crazy. he takes in 12,000 calories a day and burns so much from swim training. it's amazing for a guy to win 8 straight gold medals in one olympic games - makes kurt angle look like nothing for winning one gold medal 12 years ago (although i'm sure that's the only event he took part in during the day)

I take it, disco, that you don't like tennis either. I find it more entertaining than watching wwe wrestling sometimes. especially when there is a great match with federer (prior to him being on his losing streak)
 
I have to get this off my chest because it really showed the double standard towards TNA yet again. I was listening to the pwinsiderelite audio today 08/20/08. On the audio is Buck Woodward. Now this is where the double standard comes in. He was talking about how WWE was having a Championship Scramble for both RAW and Smackdown. The thing that irks me is that he said that fans might want to order the Unforgiven PPV because of the gimmick matches because Unforgiven is a B-level PPV. Now if I remember correctly, many critics were asking and negatively criticizing why Hard Justice was gimmicked towards hardcore matches, and even asked if it is a good idea for TNA to have some sort of gimmick for each PPV. It just comes off as totally ridiculous that a well-known critic like Buck Woodward can say that it is okay for WWE to have some sort of gimmick matches to increase PPV buys on a WWE PPV, yet when TNA does the same thing, it is a bad thing. I know that TNA does the gimmick thing more consistently in their PPVs; I will give that argument, but one cannot deny that there is nonetheless a double standard going on here.
 
I have to get this off my chest because it really showed the double standard towards TNA yet again. I was listening to the pwinsiderelite audio today 08/20/08. On the audio is Buck Woodward. Now this is where the double standard comes in. He was talking about how WWE was having a Championship Scramble for both RAW and Smackdown. The thing that irks me is that he said that fans might want to order the Unforgiven PPV because of the gimmick matches because Unforgiven is a B-level PPV. Now if I remember correctly, many critics were asking and negatively criticizing why Hard Justice was gimmicked towards hardcore matches, and even asked if it is a good idea for TNA to have some sort of gimmick for each PPV. It just comes off as totally ridiculous that a well-known critic like Buck Woodward can say that it is okay for WWE to have some sort of gimmick matches to increase PPV buys on a WWE PPV, yet when TNA does the same thing, it is a bad thing. I know that TNA does the gimmick thing more consistently in their PPVs; I will give that argument, but one cannot deny that there is nonetheless a double standard going on here.


I don't know, I don't think of a Championship Scramble match as much of a gimmick match, as say, Black Tie Brawl n Chain match, Six Sides of Steel Weapons match, or a "New Jersey" (why include a city/state if there's nothing different than a normal street fight) Street Fight. Championship Scramble, especially on SmackDown! I find to be quite interesting, considering who is in it. I like TNA, and that Black-Tie match, especially, didn't have me excited AT ALL!
 
I don't know, I don't think of a Championship Scramble match as much of a gimmick match, as say, Black Tie Brawl n Chain match, Six Sides of Steel Weapons match, or a "New Jersey" (why include a city/state if there's nothing different than a normal street fight) Street Fight. Championship Scramble, especially on SmackDown! I find to be quite interesting, considering who is in it. I like TNA, and that Black-Tie match, especially, didn't have me excited AT ALL!

The Championship Scramble is a total gimmick match with some pretty convoluted rules to it. The thing that makes it different from the matches mentioned above is that it doesn't involve any type of weapon, or non-pin stipulation like ripping someone else's clothes off. Nonetheless, it is still a gimmick match. I do agree though that the participants, especially Brian Kendrick, makes it seem a bit more interesting. I don't have a problem with the match or participants themselves; I had more of a problem that Buck Woodward said it was a gimmick match, and because Unforgiven doesn't really have anything to offer as being different and being a B level PPV, this gimmick match may increase PPV buys. The main problem I had was that I found it a double standard because TNA tries to do the same thing with their PPVs especially with Hard Justice being more hardcore, yet the critics negatively ripped apart that idea. I don't have a problem with the Championship Scramble itself; I just took issue with the double standard.
 
I have to disagree, to a certain extent, with Glenn's latest column about clean finishes. If you constantly have too many run ins, interference and dirty finishes.. then it becomes redundant and loses it's effect.

Lets take a look at the Lesnar thing, cause it's the freshest one in my mind. Yeah, maybe there was controversy over Brock beating the back of Mir's head in and then going on to get his leg trapped and tapped in some sort of legbar. And it'll make people want to see another match between them, BUT! How many of those kind of things happened on the card? Not many, if any, at all, right?

I don't think the usual suspect type of internet fans you whine about really care *that much* about clean or dirty finishes. It's the amount of dirty finishes that's the issue. It only becomes a problem when the whole card is clogged up with them and/or they happen with sizeable frequency. Why should people watch a show laden with that stuff when the chances are pretty high that someone in the match is going to win via cheating, interference, or whatever other garbage? If not some other type of non-finish.

Y'all should be about protecting those kind of finishes so that they'll have a greater effect when you actually do use them, rather than overexposing them and rendering them moot.
 
http://www.wrestlezone.com/column.php?articleid=221608531

Random Thoughts: Clean Finishes
08/24/2008 by Glenn Gilbertti

*Let's talk a little bit about clean finishes and the purpose that they serve. By definition, as I've come to know it, a clean finish is one wrestler beating another one with his finish without contraversy or outside interference. Basically, what you have after a clean finish is a definitive winner and a definitive loser. Why are internet pundits so enamored with the concept of the clean finish? Because they have zero, and I mean a big fat ZERO idea of what booking and writing wrestling television is all about, and the ramifications of what you do with the characters the week after the clean finish.

Let's assume, like we all do, that professional wrestling is based on the concept that wrestling is real and we suspend the disbelief that it's not. This is understood. So my question to all of those that love clean finishes is this- What do you do with the loser the next week? To answer this question, and since we're pretending wrestling is real, let's compare professional wrestling to other fighting genres that are legitimate. MMA and boxing. If you are trying to promote a show, how do you promote a guy that lost convincingly his last time out? Put him in the ring or cage with other losers? And how do you sell tickets to generate interest in getting people to watch two losers fight each other?

Let's look at the business model provided by Don King, one of the greatest promoters in history over the years. How many times, after watching Don King promoted events, did you scratch your head when the decision was read to the crowd as they responded with a chorus of venomous boo's? How about the Riddick Bowe-Holyfield series, which included parachuters hitting the ring, and claims of Holyfield having some type of heart condition? What Don King realized is that when you have finishes without definitive answers to the question of who was the better fighter, you have another huge source of income coming your way- THE REMATCH. In professional wrestling, nobody, and I mean nobody, with the exception of the internet pundits who like to judge the match based on their ridiculous star rating system, is interested in seeing a guy that beat a guy clean fight him again.

Look at MMA. Brock got beat by Mir, but only after a contraversial penalty for hitting on the back of the head, which left people wondering what would have happened if they hadn't have stood them up when Brock had him in trouble. What if Mir came out and beat the crap out of him and decisively beat him? Would you pay to see Brock Lesnar again? How about when a guy beats another guy but tests positive for steroids after the fight? Definately not a clean finish by any stretch of the imagination. Usually the guys that lose decisively, but did a good job promoting their fight, are pushed aside and dropped to the bottom of the card, and that's if they can get other fights. Losers don't draw. period. End of story.

Now let's look at professional wrestling, where the wrestlers have to fight every week. Do you realize how quickly the fans will lose interst in seing a loser on tv every week? Often times, the second the loser walks through the entrance for his fight, people change the channel, because they know what the result is. Boxers and MMA fighters peform every 3-6 months. You can keep the fans interest in between that period of time because you don't have the answer to the question- Which fighter is better? But in pro wrestling, you're not afforded that luxury. Since we have to put so much wrestling into a weekly broadcast, you can't continue to beat a guy clean if you're trying to promote him for a ppv fight against someone else. The cold hard fact is that wrestling is a male soap opera. Each week is followed with questions that lead you to the next week. People complain that run ins and screw jobs make the referees look bad and the such, but is it better to protect the referees, or the wrestlers? You need to keep the fans from the answer to the question of who is definitively the better fighter. Until it's time.

There is a time for the clean finish. At the end of the angle. At the ppv. One clear winner and one clear loser. But at this point, the one lone clean loss shouldn't hurt, if he's been protected for the weeks and months leading up to this match. It's easy for the fans to forget one loss. It's not easy for them to forget a bunch of them. Because there's so much televised wrestling right now, you can't continue to give the answers to the questions on a weekly basis as to who the better man is. It's just a cold hard fact that if you want to see more wrestling, you're going to see less clean finishes. When you watch the show from now on, don't pay so much attention to whether the match is going to end in a clean finish. If you do, ask yourself, from a creative standpoint, what would I do with the loser the next week. Don't forget that pro wrestling is still two grown men wearing bathing suits pretending to fight each other. If you think that actual match should be taken more seriously instead of the storylines, and that is the premise which you suspend your disbelief on, than don't forget at the end of the day that pro wrestlers punch each other in the face with no sign of cuts or bruising. So it can't possibly be as real as you think it is.

To summarize my point, let's look at a recent clean finish that ended an angle, at least I would think. Batista beats Cena clean. So how do you promote the loser of this match? By having him come on tv and shake Batista's hand and tell him he was the better man. Now what?

*Steve Anderson wrote a nice article recently on finding the fan in you. Good read. Good points. It's good to see other respectable writers chiming in on the bitter negativity on wrestling message boards. My theory is that people like that are such losers in life because they're so negative and have no friends because of it, is that they have to retreat to a useless, unimportant life on the internet because no one wants to spend any time with them in real life.

*I've had a chance to read the shows for the upcomig three weeks of tv. Interesting stuff with Sting. Should provide some good fodder for the morons on the web that think they know a thing or two about this business.

Fantastic column by Glenn. This guy just gets it.

I mean, I have been arguing with posters on boards for a good five years about the same thing. They hate it when Russo books interference.. and I"m like WHY, I love a match that has chaos and interference and lots of stuff going on. It bores me when a guy just beats another guy clean

My thoughts on Joe and Booker. When I read that they were fighting, I thought to myself, I hope Joe just doesn't beat BOoker Clean. What is going to happen with Booker when Joe does that? Luckily what happened at VR, Joe just kept beating up Booker T and Booker didn't submit. 1) it made Joe look strong, and Booker didn't lose. Sting beat up Joe afterwards. There is intrigue with the story of Sting, Joe, and the characters.

I didn't get that Booker was so "i'm the man" the week on impact when he was holding the belt though. Sure, he didn't submit, but he got his ass kicked. I guess that was my gripes.. but Booker T is one of my favourite characters in TNA right now due to how he has been booked over the past few months, and if he lost clean to Joe, what can you do with a loser? I agree with Glenn about this completely.

At Hard Justice, lights went out and with the guitar's help, Joe got the win on Booker. It's pro wrestling, it's not a legit sport... it is not completely necessary to do "clean finishes" becuase it doesn't make sense in hurting the characters you created by having them job. So when I see Rhino job cleanly to Booker T on IMpact, I'm like where does this leave Rhino. I know he was distracted, which was good, but he just flat out lost.

"You need to keep the fans from the answer to the question of who is definitively the better fighter. Until it's time."

That is a great statement. I don't know why Glenn has to come out here and spell things for the majority of the Internet when this stuff should be obvious to a Dave Meltzer and Wade Keller who LOVES to give star ratings to the matches and loves to bitch and whine when a match isn't "clean". Fuck those guys

"There is a time for the clean finish. At the end of the angle. At the ppv. One clear winner and one clear loser."

Part of me thinks this shouldn't be the straight case either. I don't need to see a clean finish where a guy just pins another wrestler unless the story is told in a way that we have to know what happens.

"But at this point, the one lone clean loss shouldn't hurt, if he's been protected for the weeks and months leading up to this match. It's easy for the fans to forget one loss."

I agree with this...

"It's not easy for them to forget a bunch of them. Because there's so much televised wrestling right now, you can't continue to give the answers to the questions on a weekly basis as to who the better man is. It's just a cold hard fact that if you want to see more wrestling, you're going to see less clean finishes. When you watch the show from now on, don't pay so much attention to whether the match is going to end in a clean finish. If you do, ask yourself, from a creative standpoint, what would I do with the loser the next week."

People should watch wrestling and go "what is going to happen next" rather "who is the better wrestler". Wrestling has evolved so much from "i'm the better wrestler". It's a fucking soap opera.. and people know that

"Don't forget that pro wrestling is still two grown men wearing bathing suits pretending to fight each other. If you think that actual match should be taken more seriously instead of the storylines, and that is the premise which you suspend your disbelief on, than don't forget at the end of the day that pro wrestlers punch each other in the face with no sign of cuts or bruising. So it can't possibly be as real as you think it is. "

I think this is glenn's best paragraph he has written in some time

"*I've had a chance to read the shows for the upcomig three weeks of tv. Interesting stuff with Sting. Should provide some good fodder for the morons on the web that think they know a thing or two about this business."

I can't wait to watch them. I actually have been reading spoilers for a while because i'm a net fan, haha.. but i'm goign to not read it this week because this entire sting story has me intrigued. I hope th shows deliver

peace out

I have SPOKUN - Note to Glenn, please get Russo/TNA to bring in Ernest The Cat Miller.
 
I have to disagree with gleen that a loser can never draw ever heard of ken shamrock in the ufc in 2006.

He even had a previous loss to tito (clean as a whistle i might add) and with good tension building great promos and a good amount of time spent building the fight up it drew an insane amount of ppv buys somthing like 775 thousand somthing like half there viewership who had watched there build up think about it the show the ultimte fighter they built there rivalry on drew the same amount of viewers tna gets and yet tna cant draw a tenth what ortiz vs shamrock 2 drew when a dude who was on a two fight losing streak and had lost 4 of his last 5 proof that in some circamstances a loser can draw if handled intelligently.

Plus the ufc only had a one hour reality show to build not a two hour show and it didnt have the genius known as vince russo booking.
 
Once again, another good column from Glenn. Thanks. By the way, jimufctna24, did you even read the column? He even talked about that. Thats apart of MMA, is it not?
 
this is a quote from glenns article about mma

"Usually the guys that lose decisively, but did a good job promoting their fight, are pushed aside and dropped to the bottom of the card, and that's if they can get other fights. Losers don't draw. period. End of story."

ken shamrock is proof that this statement is wrong he main evented and drew when he had lost like 4 of his last 5 fights that is my only point
 
this is a quote from glenns article about mma

"Usually the guys that lose decisively, but did a good job promoting their fight, are pushed aside and dropped to the bottom of the card, and that's if they can get other fights. Losers don't draw. period. End of story."

ken shamrock is proof that this statement is wrong he main evented and drew when he had lost like 4 of his last 5 fights that is my only point

Brock Lesnar would also be an example that this claim is false. Lesnar in his debut lost decisively by tapping out, even if he had an explosive start. The match was promoted well, but he lost and he wasn't dropped to the bottom of the card but still in a pretty well promoted and high profile fight on the next card he was a part of (which he won). Tito Ortiz, present day, also isn't what I'd be calling a "winner" but he's still drawing and likely will for the Affliction promotion.
 
Heres where I thought he addressed this situation very clearly.

Now let's look at professional wrestling, where the wrestlers have to fight every week. Do you realize how quickly the fans will lose interst in seing a loser on tv every week? Often times, the second the loser walks through the entrance for his fight, people change the channel, because they know what the result is. Boxers and MMA fighters peform every 3-6 months. You can keep the fans interest in between that period of time because you don't have the answer to the question- Which fighter is better? But in pro wrestling, you're not afforded that luxury. Since we have to put so much wrestling into a weekly broadcast, you can't continue to beat a guy clean if you're trying to promote him for a ppv fight against someone else. The cold hard fact is that wrestling is a male soap opera. Each week is followed with questions that lead you to the next week. People complain that run ins and screw jobs make the referees look bad and the such, but is it better to protect the referees, or the wrestlers? You need to keep the fans from the answer to the question of who is definitively the better fighter. Until it's time.

Sorry, I was looking at it from a wrestling point of view. From UFC, they can get Shamrok to draw because they don't have to explain or show how Shamrock could lose viewers or buyrates that next night or week. They can wait 6 months, keep the interest up, is probably why the show drew so well. Wasn't that Glenns point?
 
Mister Rob

Well he covered that base by making out brock didnt lose cleanly which is debatable but you hit the nail on the head with tito a lot of glenns article made sense and i dont read wade keller or dave meltzer views but as a man who preferred the tna product 2005-2006 i guess me and glenn would disagree on a lot.
 
MNF

Well shamrock was on tv every week in the build up to his fight on the ultimate fighter and they gained viewership that season as it went on and in the coaches battle he was getting whooped and everyone knew tito had already beaten him clean and that he lost his last fight clean and even with his loss on the ppv which most people who saw it said was clean and only shamrock disputed it they gained a record rating at the time for the rematch on tv it was shamrocks promos and the rivalry and somthing pro wrestling is all about the suspension of disbelief that ken could actually pull of the upset against tito that made him draw the fans bought into this because the feud was well done and also quite simple and easy to follow and understand and made riviting viewing as both are very strong chracters you either bought the pay per view to see tito beat kens ass for being so far away from reality or on the slightest hope ken would some how pull it off this was the best hype job for anything i have ever seen but yeah there are differences with mma and wrestling but that comment glenn made in my opinion was false.

Even now shamrock will draw just watch if he fights kimbo slice in october he is on like 5 fight losing skid and that will still draw a big rating.
 
This is going to become one big bullshit sick cycle carousel that we will go around on.

Glenn will insinuate that a lot of dirty finishes is great for business and infer that we do not know what we're talking about, because we're not in the biz. And people with any common sense will say that although dirty finishes are good, the overuse of them cheats people out of their viewing time and will eventually piss people off.

And it's funny.

Calling wrestling a "male soap opera".

I know that's true, but.. why does a promotion like TNA have to be the campy, insane, stupid bullshit version like "Passions" was and not something high-end like "The Young & The Restless" or "The Bold & The Beautiful" have the reputation of being?
 
I don't think anyone can really explain the answer to that question, short of the admins. (Irish or Jake) I'm not going to lead you on either, in assuming I know or could know.

I think the better question would be, why would they be deleting them? And I doubt it's to hurt you by any means.

Certainly I don't mean this to offend you, but sometimes your posts are just one or two sentences and that causes other forum members to think you can spam freely and openly. So in order to maintain order without everyone signing up and spamming, we have to take out the posts that lead bad examples.

Again, obviously I'm coming to you trying to explain why it's happening, without knowing if that's the truth. But I'm 100% sure it's not because of any reason other than a good and just one.

EDIT: Another thing is.. we have a complaint/ask a question thread.. typically, that's where stuff like this should be asked. As a result, I'm almost sure THIS thread will be shut and deleted in time as well. I'm just giving you a head's up.
 
this is a quote from glenns article about mma

"Usually the guys that lose decisively, but did a good job promoting their fight, are pushed aside and dropped to the bottom of the card, and that's if they can get other fights. Losers don't draw. period. End of story."

ken shamrock is proof that this statement is wrong he main evented and drew when he had lost like 4 of his last 5 fights that is my only point

thats because he was the ric flair of mma, and those were his LAST fights. i'm talking about guys in their prime.
 
matt hughes would be a perfect example of what i'm talking about. he's been getting hammered, and pretty much has only one fight left against serra. if he had been making a better showing of himself he could still probably draw,but he hasn't. could you imagine if christian cage had been as decisively beaten as matt hughes has in his past four fights, and trying to keep him in the mix with the top guys, which you can do now because he's been protected?
 
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