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[Marty2Hotty]

The fact that you got all riled up over Kurt's comments shows your passion over the show. Yet, you think about "oh, how did they write that one in". THink of it as Kurt Angle saying that. He didn't take it further.. he just said he wasn't the only one that lost his wife. He didn't say that jeff's wife is in hell or anything like that. Stop getting riled up over a miniscule comment.

Would you rather have WWE insults?

You must be braindead because The SUn was read by a small amount of people but Jeff Jarrett reviewed the damn article on air to make it make sense to 100% of the audience that was tuning in. Hell, I didn't read the sun article so I was intrigued at what Kurt said coming out of Jeff's mouth during that segment. How is it catered to the net when it's spelled out to you in big letters on the actual segment.

Russo wrote in WCW 2000 and a lot of it was spelled out as well. Yet Keller liked to think that people watching at home that didn't surf the dirtsheets are too stupid to get it. They may not have read the actual "dirtsheets" as to what happened backstage but by watching the show, they can comprehend that there is a feud going on. They may not know which specific parts stemmed from reality but they'll watch due to it possibly being based on reality. That was the entire concept of the direction that was taken and I didn't surf the net during that entire run to figure that out.

Considering that VKM was part of the highest rated shows that TNA did during that time, I find it difficult to believe that they didn't make any "money". It's about getting people talking. I know you're goin to bring up how something didn't lead to a wrestling match but you need to get out of that mentality. VKM got wrestling fans talking, got WWE to even take away TNA/VKM signs from their shows and even reportedly stopped PPV press conferences due to those chants...

Bottom line, it was different, it was intriguing, and you didn't know what was going to happen. That was a small portion of the shows that made me interested in watching.

Most of the people know that a lot of TNA's roster are from WWE. Pretending that the big dog doesn't exist is stupid. Bischoff used to break that wall and mention WWF regardless if he was winning or losing and as a wrestling fan, I found that ballsy and interesting because it's taking real situations that had happened and putting it on the show.

TNA is not known to much of the WWE audience, but to any wrestling fan who watches TNA, they'll know that such and such is from WWE.

 

[dzonewrestle1]

The fact that you got all riled up over Kurt's comments shows your passion over the show. Yet, you think about "oh, how did they write that one in". THink of it as Kurt Angle saying that. He didn't take it further.. he just said he wasn't the only one that lost his wife. He didn't say that jeff's wife is in hell or anything like that. Stop getting riled up over a miniscule comment.

Would you rather have WWE insults?

You must be braindead because The SUn was read by a small amount of people but Jeff Jarrett reviewed the damn article on air to make it make sense to 100% of the audience that was tuning in. Hell, I didn't read the sun article so I was intrigued at what Kurt said coming out of Jeff's mouth during that segment. How is it catered to the net when it's spelled out to you in big letters on the actual segment.

Russo wrote in WCW 2000 and a lot of it was spelled out as well. Yet Keller liked to think that people watching at home that didn't surf the dirtsheets are too stupid to get it. They may not have read the actual "dirtsheets" as to what happened backstage but by watching the show, they can comprehend that there is a feud going on. They may not know which specific parts stemmed from reality but they'll watch due to it possibly being based on reality. That was the entire concept of the direction that was taken and I didn't surf the net during that entire run to figure that out.

Considering that VKM was part of the highest rated shows that TNA did during that time, I find it difficult to believe that they didn't make any "money". It's about getting people talking. I know you're goin to bring up how something didn't lead to a wrestling match but you need to get out of that mentality. VKM got wrestling fans talking, got WWE to even take away TNA/VKM signs from their shows and even reportedly stopped PPV press conferences due to those chants...

Bottom line, it was different, it was intriguing, and you didn't know what was going to happen. That was a small portion of the shows that made me interested in watching.

Most of the people know that a lot of TNA's roster are from WWE. Pretending that the big dog doesn't exist is stupid. Bischoff used to break that wall and mention WWF regardless if he was winning or losing and as a wrestling fan, I found that ballsy and interesting because it's taking real situations that had happened and putting it on the show.

TNA is not known to much of the WWE audience, but to any wrestling fan who watches TNA, they'll know that such and such is from WWE.

You don't understand why the Jill Jarrett line was offensive to people. The crowd was shocked at how low class that was. I get "making the angle more real", but this is pro-wrestling, there shouldn't be real-life deaths brought up in fake wrestling shows. It's like if Vince McMahon legit died, then Stephanie did a bunch of skits on RAW the next week making fun of her dad legit dying. You don't see how that is weird, strange and just wrong? If Jeff said to me, how can I tie in my wife's death into a wrestling angle? I would have looked at him and said, Jeff are you insane. That should be off limits, thats just ridiclous. Angle is getting heat by making a comment about Jeff's wife. I don't know how you can't see how it was just stupid to write that into the show.

WCW Russo 2000 failed to draw money. Buyrates dropped monthly. Attendence dropped monthly. How you can call anything during 2000 in WCW a success I do not know.

 

[MisterRob]

The fact that you got all riled up over Kurt's comments shows your passion over the show. Yet, you think about "oh, how did they write that one in". THink of it as Kurt Angle saying that. He didn't take it further.. he just said he wasn't the only one that lost his wife. He didn't say that jeff's wife is in hell or anything like that. Stop getting riled up over a miniscule comment.

I don't think it shows passion over the show, and I don't think its getting riled up over a miniscule comment. There's a point where realism is pushed too far in writing, and where disbelief should be kept.. and taking a real life event, a tragic event like someone's wife who died of cancer, just shows completely poor writing. It shows poor judgment. And it shows a poor product. Not to mention the fact that Jarrett allowed the exploitation of his wife's death and his personal pain with it to be exploited through a fake wrestling angle. Too far is too far, it was simply unneeded. What did it do for that segment? Only those who are knowledgeable of the facts and behind the scenes would even be aware of what he was implying, so it would be lost on the casual viewer. Therefore it added nothing to the content of the feud between Angle/Jarrett, only to offend those who do understand it. That wasn't "shock" tv, that was just poor judgment to me. I wasn't shocked I merely found it unneeded.

Would you rather have WWE insults?

I'd rather have TNA focus on their own product and not even mention the WWE, its also unneeded and poor writing when they do.

You must be braindead because The SUn was read by a small amount of people but Jeff Jarrett reviewed the damn article on air to make it make sense to 100% of the audience that was tuning in. Hell, I didn't read the sun article so I was intrigued at what Kurt said coming out of Jeff's mouth during that segment. How is it catered to the net when it's spelled out to you in big letters on the actual segment.

I wasn't intrigued at all. I found it utterly boring and I wouldn't have watched it on television, I watched it on youtube and was able to "fast forward" like you do so often. They can't build an interesting feud without using things like shoot interviews, WWE references that no one cares or wants to hear about? That's why TNA has such bad writing and why their ratings never show any great improvement.

No one cares about shock tv or shoot interviews anymore, its been over done in wrestling and it doesn't equal ratings. TNA's proof of that.

Considering that VKM was part of the highest rated shows that TNA did during that time, I find it difficult to believe that they didn't make any "money". It's about getting people talking. I know you're goin to bring up how something didn't lead to a wrestling match but you need to get out of that mentality. VKM got wrestling fans talking, got WWE to even take away TNA/VKM signs from their shows and even reportedly stopped PPV press conferences due to those chants...

Where's your proof of this?

Most of the people know that a lot of TNA's roster are from WWE. Pretending that the big dog doesn't exist is stupid. Bischoff used to break that wall and mention WWF regardless if he was winning or losing and as a wrestling fan, I found that ballsy and interesting because it's taking real situations that had happened and putting it on the show.

Its not stupid at all. Do you see any sports league referencing other leagues or competition in ANY sport? Do you see any television show referencing other television shows they're competing with (even if TNA isn't competition to WWE)? There's no need for it, it adds nothing to the product. TNA needs to worry about their own product, sell their own product, not look like a cheap independent company thats trying to get a bit of attention and sell themselves by referencing the bigger dog. And that's what helped the WWE pull ahead of WCW and dominate again.. because they focused on their own product and made their own product great, must-see television, and something people were interested in. When Bischoff began to mention WWE all the time, do interviews in the ring slamming the WWE and praising himself and WCW people got tired of it, they got sick of it. Anyone remember Bischoff in the ring on a motorcycle blabbering away about the WWE? I'm sure that brought in ratings.

 

[dzonewrestle1]

I don't think it shows passion over the show, and I don't think its getting riled up over a miniscule comment. There's a point where realism is pushed too far in writing, and where disbelief should be kept.. and taking a real life event, a tragic event like someone's wife who died of cancer, just shows completely poor writing. It shows poor judgment. And it shows a poor product. Not to mention the fact that Jarrett allowed the exploitation of his wife's death and his personal pain with it to be exploited through a fake wrestling angle. Too far is too far, it was simply unneeded. What did it do for that segment? Only those who are knowledgeable of the facts and behind the scenes would even be aware of what he was implying, so it would be lost on the casual viewer. Therefore it added nothing to the content of the feud between Angle/Jarrett, only to offend those who do understand it. That wasn't "shock" tv, that was just poor judgment to me. I wasn't shocked I merely found it unneeded.





I'd rather have TNA focus on their own product and not even mention the WWE, its also unneeded and poor writing when they do.




I wasn't intrigued at all. I found it utterly boring and I wouldn't have watched it on television, I watched it on youtube and was able to "fast forward" like you do so often. They can't build an interesting feud without using things like shoot interviews, WWE references that no one cares or wants to hear about? That's why TNA has such bad writing and why their ratings never show any great improvement.

No one cares about shock tv or shoot interviews anymore, its been over done in wrestling and it doesn't equal ratings. TNA's proof of that.




Where's your proof of this?




Its not stupid at all. Do you see any sports league referencing other leagues or competition in ANY sport? Do you see any television show referencing other television shows they're competing with (even if TNA isn't competition to WWE)? There's no need for it, it adds nothing to the product. TNA needs to worry about their own product, sell their own product, not look like a cheap independent company thats trying to get a bit of attention and sell themselves by referencing the bigger dog. And that's what helped the WWE pull ahead of WCW and dominate again.. because they focused on their own product and made their own product great, must-see television, and something people were interested in. When Bischoff began to mention WWE all the time, do interviews in the ring slamming the WWE and praising himself and WCW people got tired of it, they got sick of it. Anyone remember Bischoff in the ring on a motorcycle blabbering away about the WWE? I'm sure that brought in ratings.

Thank you..Marty2hotty is goofy as hell, he just has a huge borner for anything Russo. He doesn't get how the wife comment sold no tickets and was just wrong. TNA can't build a fued without WWE referenes or internet shoot references. They can, but they rarely do. Marty also doesn't understand that the angle on Impact came off as "Angle is pissed that Jarrett is foiling his chances to go back to the bigger company." He doesn't get how dumb that is. Bischoff mentioning WWE was ok because WCW was on WWF's level. TNA does 1.1 and WWE does 3s and 4s and gets over 200,000 buyrates for PPVs. TNA gets 20,000 PPV buys usually. Plus, mentioning WWE on WCW after a while further drove them into destruction.

 

[Marty2Hotty]

dzone, you dont know what the hell you're talking about. Why does everything have to be about "selling tickets" to you. What are you going to say next? Rock and Sock drew 8.1 but sold 'no tickets' - are u honestly stupid enough to say somethign that ridiculous?

It was reality. He said he wasn't the only one that lost his wife.. that's it. He didn't say anything more. Leave it. He didn't say his wife was rotting in her grave and that he shat on her grave. He didn't say anything like that that would make me go "that's too much". He just noted that he wasn't the only one that lost his wife.

Why do you get so upset when WWE is mentioned. Jeff Jarrett hired Kurt Angle two years ago and Kurt Angle LEFT the WWE. As Jeff came out and is the admitted founder, he is using what happened two years ago to further this storyline. What's so difficult to get.

TNA is WWE's alternative. TNA gets 35,000 buys approximately with a 1.0 rating show. WWE has three shows: 3.4, 2.4, 1.2 respectively and they pull in approximately 150,000 buys, which kinda evens out considering the amount of exposure they get.

WCW 2000 was a great product in my eyes. He was off after three months, and then came back after the ratings dipped even more. WWF was still the "talk of the town" although the creative juices were minus Vince Russo. THey "rode the wave" for a good year and a few years later, dropped 1.0, dropped 2.0 and now they're doing 3.1 without Russo/Ferrara. The numbers do not lie

TNA has held onto their 1.0-1.1 rating, while WWE continues to drop 30-40% of teh viewers over the course of time that TNA has been on Spike TV

No one cares about shock tv or shoot interviews anymore, its been over done in wrestling and it doesn't equal ratings. TNA's proof of that.

Who are you speaking for? You'd rather hear the same generic wrestling promo about a wreslter "hating" another, or how a wrestler wants another belt? Why would using some reality NOT draw? How is all the reality shows based on shock TV or compelling television.

Wrestling alone is NOT drawing ratings.. and you have to try something different in order to succeed in wrestling. nWo was new when it started, it worked. ATtitude was new when it started, it worked. Bringing in reality during a time where reality is the talk of the town and putting things to a new level is a direction that may drwa new viewers. DOing the same shit WONT

Has TNA done shoot interviews on a weekly basis? NO.. so there is no proof that it's not working

As for the VKM stuff i mentioned, i read all this online when it was happening. i assume, asyou think there is no proof, that you didnt

WWE exists. WWE is a part of the history of many of the TNA roster.... Brinign up former companies to progress stories have no harm. Who is Mick Folye anyway? He's a hardcore legend that got over in WWE? You want to treat him as a normal guy that never had a history with another company? He'd be another guy on the roster

THere's a lot of reality and history for the wrestlers.. using the name WWE and wrestlers' pasts to make your show more compelling, interesting, is something WWE doesn't necessarily do.. It's some reality because their past is real... not fiction...

 

[MisterRob]

TNA is WWE's alternative. TNA gets 35,000 buys approximately with a 1.0 rating show. WWE has three shows: 3.4, 2.4, 1.2 respectively and they pull in approximately 150,000 buys, which kinda evens out considering the amount of exposure they get.

You're fucked. You're also out of your mind.

WCW 2000 was a great product in my eyes. He was off after three months, and then came back after the ratings dipped even more.

Only your eyes.

TNA has held onto their 1.0-1.1 rating, while WWE continues to drop 30-40% of teh viewers over the course of time that TNA has been on Spike TV

Where are you getting your numbers?

Who are you speaking for? You'd rather hear the same generic wrestling promo about a wreslter "hating" another, or how a wrestler wants another belt? Why would using some reality NOT draw? How is all the reality shows based on shock TV or compelling television.

Wrestling alone is NOT drawing ratings.. and you have to try something different in order to succeed in wrestling. nWo was new when it started, it worked. ATtitude was new when it started, it worked. Bringing in reality during a time where reality is the talk of the town and putting things to a new level is a direction that may drwa new viewers. DOing the same shit WONT.

Russo-style is as overdone and boring now as any "generic" wrestling promos or style you're refering to. What TNA is doing right now is nothing new, nothing unique, and nothing different. I'd LOVE to actually see them doing something new, though.

Has TNA done shoot interviews on a weekly basis? NO.. so there is no proof that it's not working.

Thats all Russo did back in WCW and it flopped. Learn from your mistakes and improve in the future, thats what Russo seems unable to do.

As for the VKM stuff i mentioned, i read all this online when it was happening. i assume, as you think there is no proof, that you didnt.

No, and I don't believe it.

WWE exists. WWE is a part of the history of many of the TNA roster.... Brinign up former companies to progress stories have no harm. Who is Mick Folye anyway? He's a hardcore legend that got over in WWE? You want to treat him as a normal guy that never had a history with another company? He'd be another guy on the roster.

Before WCW died, while they were still competition, did WWE ever mention WCW when one of their wrestlers jumped ship to the WWE? Of course not. Do they ever mention TNA with Ron Killings? Of course not. People know who a wrestler is, they know the history of that wrestler, they don't need to be reminded of it in a DIFFERENT company. if they don't know that history they certainly don't need to be told about another company then the one they're watching, it makes them look as if they're desperate to be compared to that company or feed off their hand-me-downs. There's no need for TNA to use WWE to help sell their storylines and feuds, that's just sad. But thats exactly what they're doing.

 

[Talon_DR]

Marty, I just want to commend you for defending your views against Russo despite it being the unpopular viewpoint. You are sure to come under alot of fire and at times can defend yourself and Russo very well.

I enjoy TNA's new shoot style product as long as it matches history. For example one of the main problems I see with the current product is that Jarrett, the TNA Founder an Sting have a history over the NWA Belt. Why would Jeff Jarrett bring in Sting to take his NWA World Title. If you remember storylines from early 2006, the main basis of Sting coming in was to take the NWA Title from Jarrett. This is a contradicting storyline.

The other main problem that has been discussed is the constant mentioning of the WWE Product. I thought it was kinda cool when Foley mentioned some of my favorite feuds in WWE Triple H vs Cena, Taker vs Edge and HBK vs Jericho. I had to remember why I was watching the TNA Product. Why couldn't Foley mention some of the TNA Talent he would like to wrestle instead of the great talent he left over in the WWE. It doesn't seem like a good decision here.

I would like to hear Glen's opinion on these matter: TNA hyping WWE, Angle's comment about Jarrett's wife and the new reality style product

 

[Marty2Hotty]

Yeah Talon.. thanks. What annoys me is people online bitch and whine about the stupid irrelevent things that are not worth bitching about.. shit like mentioning the WWE. I hate hearing this same old argument. Glenn has argued the same stuff i have been doing.. but i dont think he has mentioned the IWC's gripe with mentioning another company. maybe his next column.

TNA doesn't hype WWE and didn't even do so at the IMpact, with the exception of Foley putting over the WWE roster - which I found unnecessary. Kurt's comments from 2years ago played was compelling television because it was real taped footage that Jarrett REALLY didn't want to air 2 years ago. That's why i was into that segment.

Angle's comment was minute.. and only the internet would inflate something so insignificant. If he said he pissed all over Jarrett's wife's grave and made his kids watch it.. i'd take some offense to it.. but probably not even that much. by just saying he's not the only one that lost his wife.. that's nothing

It made the Jarrett segment interesting.. but everything else was okay.. and the matches were too long and uninteresting IMO. I think talon, that you're reading into it too much now. the jarrett/sting stuff... but i dont know.. i dont think the stories tna has "for the most part" are all that interesting at this point in time, and i really hope things start to pick up.

Foley did put AJ and Joe over - predictably similar to how Sting would do back in teh day. I think him talking about leaving WWE had to be said.. but he didnt have to do that. and so what if he's enforcer. why should kurt be worried, unless kurt pissed foley off to put a sock in his mouth THEN say he was enforcer. that hypes it better

special enforcers usually dont do shit. my brother said it's usually a ref bump and the enforcer ends up counting 1 2 3.. i thought it was a lackluster ending and didn't make sense.. foley just ended up praising angle as the greatest performer and said he would be enforcer.. why should angle be worried... how is that a compelling ending...

 

[gg inferno]

Yeah Talon.. thanks. What annoys me is people online bitch and whine about the stupid irrelevent things that are not worth bitching about.. shit like mentioning the WWE. I hate hearing this same old argument. Glenn has argued the same stuff i have been doing.. but i dont think he has mentioned the IWC's gripe with mentioning another company. maybe his next column.

TNA doesn't hype WWE and didn't even do so at the IMpact, with the exception of Foley putting over the WWE roster - which I found unnecessary. Kurt's comments from 2years ago played was compelling television because it was real taped footage that Jarrett REALLY didn't want to air 2 years ago. That's why i was into that segment.

Angle's comment was minute.. and only the internet would inflate something so insignificant. If he said he pissed all over Jarrett's wife's grave and made his kids watch it.. i'd take some offense to it.. but probably not even that much. by just saying he's not the only one that lost his wife.. that's nothing

It made the Jarrett segment interesting.. but everything else was okay.. and the matches were too long and uninteresting IMO. I think talon, that you're reading into it too much now. the jarrett/sting stuff... but i dont know.. i dont think the stories tna has "for the most part" are all that interesting at this point in time, and i really hope things start to pick up.

Foley did put AJ and Joe over - predictably similar to how Sting would do back in teh day. I think him talking about leaving WWE had to be said.. but he didnt have to do that. and so what if he's enforcer. why should kurt be worried, unless kurt pissed foley off to put a sock in his mouth THEN say he was enforcer. that hypes it better

special enforcers usually dont do shit. my brother said it's usually a ref bump and the enforcer ends up counting 1 2 3.. i thought it was a lackluster ending and didn't make sense.. foley just ended up praising angle as the greatest performer and said he would be enforcer.. why should angle be worried... how is that a compelling ending...

to be honest, if you logically look at these arguments, marty is right. 1) The UK SUN is a newstand publication. The Torch, Observer, etc..., cannot be bought in newstands. Since most people on this site live in the internet bubble, they can't even comprehend how ridiculous they sound.For one, THE INTERNET WEBSITES are the ones that reported that Jeff would address the comments about the UK SUN, assuming that TNA would be stupid enought to cross the kayfabe line and address the booking. What they did was address the comments in the mainstream publication. This should not be more difficult than it is.

2) As for addressing WWE, MMA and boxing does the same thing all the time. Just look at the Randy Couture deal. Why would you not address other competitors in your sport? Do you think wrestling fans are so stupid that they can suspend disbelief and pretend WWE doesn't exist?

3) Tha Angle line was low, and I couldn't believe he said it. But it really puts a stamp on the integrity of his character more than it does TNA. Jeff has gotten the best of him with the heat so far. As a heel you have to go further. FYI, Russo did not write that line. It's not the end of the world to be disturbed once in a blue moon in this business.

 

[dirtyshubb]

The thing is people complain about TNA mentioning WWE like they are going to lose viewers to them but lets be honest i can garantee 100% that every TNA fan either watches WWE or is at least aware of it. They are going to watch WWE regardless of TNA bringing up their name, and if they dont its becuase tehy dont want to watch it so what is the big deal?

I think with the Foley speach it should have been a bit longer where after mentioning the recent feuds he had gone on to say something like "All those great wrestlers you have beat Kurt and yet you come to TNA and have been beaten by the likes of Joe, AJ ect so i just had to come and check out the competition to see the ones who could beat the great Kurt Angle" ect. At least that way he would have ended on TNA rather than WWE, putting them over as better competition than the WWE wrestlers.

 

[Marty2Hotty]

to be honest, if you logically look at these arguments, marty is right. 1) The UK SUN is a newstand publication. The Torch, Observer, etc..., cannot be bought in newstands. Since most people on this site live in the internet bubble, they can't even comprehend how ridiculous they sound.For one, THE INTERNET WEBSITES are the ones that reported that Jeff would address the comments about the UK SUN, assuming that TNA would be stupid enought to cross the kayfabe line and address the booking. What they did was address the comments in the mainstream publication. This should not be more difficult than it is.

2) As for addressing WWE, MMA and boxing does the same thing all the time. Just look at the Randy Couture deal. Why would you not address other competitors in your sport? Do you think wrestling fans are so stupid that they can suspend disbelief and pretend WWE doesn't exist?

3) Tha Angle line was low, and I couldn't believe he said it. But it really puts a stamp on the integrity of his character more than it does TNA. Jeff has gotten the best of him with the heat so far. As a heel you have to go further. FYI, Russo did not write that line. It's not the end of the world to be disturbed once in a blue moon in this business.

I think we're not "disturbed" enough. There were a lot of thigns in the attitude era that made all of us go "I can't believe that just happened". I think a lot of that "buzz" got a lot of people watching. you're not going to grow your audience by taking the safe route every week. it would be the same predictable stuff that doesn't do enough to get you watching the next week.

as for dirtysnhubb... who are you referencing to? I'm sure most of the wrestling fans that surf the net know TNA exists.. i agree that they'll watch WWE regardless if TNA brings them up or not. It's not like watching TNA only would make people go "i have to watch WWE because Foley mentioned them". I know I wont unless they say somewthing like "Killings, I heard what you said about our company last week on Smackdown". I'd go "damn, killings bashed TNA on Smackdown? Now this I gotta see"

I dont think IMO it mattered who Foley put over - WWE or TNA wrestlers.. to me having Foley just mention how great someone is doesn't make the segment compelling. Him talking about leaving WWE because mcmahon made it an easy decision was intriguing because i was curious (as a guy who doesn't know the full details to why he left) why he was here. I dont care if wwe stars have great matches. I also don't care too much if Tenay continuously pimps how great Samoa Joe is.. It'd probably make me dislike Joe even more to be honest... Because i've seen him and i dont really care for him taht much.. but i'm sure others do, and that's fine. I'm just more of a guy that likes heels, which is why i loved the new blood.. although they were badass

I'm sure when Goldberg started beating on face duggan (who reportedly had cancer) at the time, generated a lot of heat.

How do you get heat nowadays? I dont think it was that low of a blow for Kurt because like i said earlier, he could have taken it much further. Kurt is pretty over as a heel as far as the reaction he got

- Competition: MACs mention PCs. Pepsi always refers to Coke in their commercials. Even Wendys tries to take shots at the "bigger" corporations..Russo always said if you're second you can mention #1. #1 doesn't have to mention #2. I dont think it puts #1 over.. the only way i'd watch #1 if they mention something specifically on the show that made me care.. and I dont think bashing WWE will make me want to watch WWE because i know how shitty their product is.. Like I said, unless McMahon came out and publicially bashed Jeff Jarrett on the show, the IRONY in my case is WWE mentioning TNA on a weekly basis would actually make ME want to watch WWE just to see the real comments being made about their competitors. THat's me.. I"d read the net and go, "now this i gotta see, i dont need to see their poor stories/matches/dialogue, but McMahon bashing Jarrett - I"d watch that because it's real and it'd probably be more compeling than any story they have done in yhears"

As for The Sun.. Jeff Jarrett clearly explained the segment even with me not reading the article. I was intrigued at Kurt's comments, what he said about McMahon and Jarrett's subsequent comments about shattering that "father/son" bond. What's so dificult to comprehend? Do people online think the casual fans are too stupid to unerstand something spelled out to you?

 

[Talon_DR]

I guess my biggest problem with mentioning WWE (like I said there were cool elements to it) was that if TNA mentioned one of their PPVs as much as they did the WWE, some more people would know they have PPVs on Sunday

By the way Glen, do you know what TNA is going to call their December PPV. I think it should indeed be holiday themed. I always liked the name "Silent Night...Bloody (Or Violent) Night"

 

[dirtyshubb]

Dont worry i wasnt referencing you Marty, just that i have seen a lot of people on the review thread and other places that always moan about TNA mentioning WWE.

The thing is TNA try to do a more real to life style of stories that can often have ties with actual events and always mention a wrestlers background if they are from another company so for them to just pretend WWE doesnt exist considering it is the biggest wrestling promotion ever and is the first thing someone would think of when asked about wrestling would be ******ed!

I understand you shouldnt come on screen and put their guys over yours but to just mention the company is fine, i mean people love to prove how much bigger WWE is compared to TNA all the time be it buy rates, exposure, legacy so in this day and age where wrestling would seem it needs to take a more realistic approach in story lines and inspiration how can they avoid mentioning them. Yes WWE will never mention TNA but that is because they are the bigger company and hate to mention any form of competition.

People like Foley are known for being WWE superstars so for TNA to get the most momentum and impact from someone like him jumping ship they have to mention where they came from otherwise it would just seem stupid.

 

[IKnowMoreThanDisco]

to be honest, if you logically look at these arguments, marty is right. 1) The UK SUN is a newstand publication. The Torch, Observer, etc..., cannot be bought in newstands. Since most people on this site live in the internet bubble, they can't even comprehend how ridiculous they sound.For one, THE INTERNET WEBSITES are the ones that reported that Jeff would address the comments about the UK SUN, assuming that TNA would be stupid enought to cross the kayfabe line and address the booking. What they did was address the comments in the mainstream publication. This should not be more difficult than it is.

2) As for addressing WWE, MMA and boxing does the same thing all the time. Just look at the Randy Couture deal. Why would you not address other competitors in your sport? Do you think wrestling fans are so stupid that they can suspend disbelief and pretend WWE doesn't exist?

3) Tha Angle line was low, and I couldn't believe he said it. But it really puts a stamp on the integrity of his character more than it does TNA. Jeff has gotten the best of him with the heat so far. As a heel you have to go further. FYI, Russo did not write that line. It's not the end of the world to be disturbed once in a blue moon in this business.

You are correct Disco that the UK Sun is a news stand publication. A fine news stand publication if I may say so. So fine of a news stand publication that Paul Heyman writes column's for them that are masterpieces as well as his broadband video series "The Heyman Hustle" that is featured on the UK Sun's website.
Lets end today with a little math: UK Sun + Paul Heyman= Epic Success

Don't you love my math equations Disco

 

[Shadowmancer]

- Competition: MACs mention PCs. Pepsi always refers to Coke in their commercials. Even Wendys tries to take shots at the "bigger" corporations..Russo always said if you're second you can mention #1. #1 doesn't have to mention #2. I dont think it puts #1 over.. the only way i'd watch #1 if they mention something specifically on the show that made me care.. and I dont think bashing WWE will make me want to watch WWE because i know how shitty their product is.. Like I said, unless McMahon came out and publicially bashed Jeff Jarrett on the show, the IRONY in my case is WWE mentioning TNA on a weekly basis would actually make ME want to watch WWE just to see the real comments being made about their competitors. THat's me.. I"d read the net and go, "now this i gotta see, i dont need to see their poor stories/matches/dialogue, but McMahon bashing Jarrett - I"d watch that because it's real and it'd probably be more compeling than any story they have done in yhears"

OK marty, I am going to diagree with the mentioning of other companies, We all know Macs are made of Fail, shit no wait that is intel that is made of fail, but in a way for TNA to be taken as a serious possibility for being number one promotion in the United States, which is what I am assuming it is eventually aiming for. It needs to present itself in the same light as being a number one, therefore that means that mentioning of another product should be kept to the barest minimum, and by that I mean saying that Mick Foley is a 3-time former heavyweight champ, not actually saying world because that devalues your own belt as being not the only thing that matters (I am working within the framework of Kayfabe here). Presenting yourself as number 1 while being number 2 allows for the idea of respectability of the brand to build at a quicker pace based on individuality rather than as a different form of the same thing. And if it is considered an individual product in and of itself there is more elements for growth than if it is considered to be a part of a pre-existing structure, which TNA could be construed as with the consistent mention of another rival product, they may be larger but they are still a rival.

 

[dzonewrestle1]

I think we're not "disturbed" enough. There were a lot of thigns in the attitude era that made all of us go "I can't believe that just happened". I think a lot of that "buzz" got a lot of people watching. you're not going to grow your audience by taking the safe route every week. it would be the same predictable stuff that doesn't do enough to get you watching the next week.

as for dirtysnhubb... who are you referencing to? I'm sure most of the wrestling fans that surf the net know TNA exists.. i agree that they'll watch WWE regardless if TNA brings them up or not. It's not like watching TNA only would make people go "i have to watch WWE because Foley mentioned them". I know I wont unless they say somewthing like "Killings, I heard what you said about our company last week on Smackdown". I'd go "damn, killings bashed TNA on Smackdown? Now this I gotta see"

I dont think IMO it mattered who Foley put over - WWE or TNA wrestlers.. to me having Foley just mention how great someone is doesn't make the segment compelling. Him talking about leaving WWE because mcmahon made it an easy decision was intriguing because i was curious (as a guy who doesn't know the full details to why he left) why he was here. I dont care if wwe stars have great matches. I also don't care too much if Tenay continuously pimps how great Samoa Joe is.. It'd probably make me dislike Joe even more to be honest... Because i've seen him and i dont really care for him taht much.. but i'm sure others do, and that's fine. I'm just more of a guy that likes heels, which is why i loved the new blood.. although they were badass

I'm sure when Goldberg started beating on face duggan (who reportedly had cancer) at the time, generated a lot of heat.

How do you get heat nowadays? I dont think it was that low of a blow for Kurt because like i said earlier, he could have taken it much further. Kurt is pretty over as a heel as far as the reaction he got

- Competition: MACs mention PCs. Pepsi always refers to Coke in their commercials. Even Wendys tries to take shots at the "bigger" corporations..Russo always said if you're second you can mention #1. #1 doesn't have to mention #2. I dont think it puts #1 over.. the only way i'd watch #1 if they mention something specifically on the show that made me care.. and I dont think bashing WWE will make me want to watch WWE because i know how shitty their product is.. Like I said, unless McMahon came out and publicially bashed Jeff Jarrett on the show, the IRONY in my case is WWE mentioning TNA on a weekly basis would actually make ME want to watch WWE just to see the real comments being made about their competitors. THat's me.. I"d read the net and go, "now this i gotta see, i dont need to see their poor stories/matches/dialogue, but McMahon bashing Jarrett - I"d watch that because it's real and it'd probably be more compeling than any story they have done in yhears"

As for The Sun.. Jeff Jarrett clearly explained the segment even with me not reading the article. I was intrigued at Kurt's comments, what he said about McMahon and Jarrett's subsequent comments about shattering that "father/son" bond. What's so dificult to comprehend? Do people online think the casual fans are too stupid to unerstand something spelled out to you?

I will backtrack a little bit and agree with you that Jarrett did a good job explaining the Angle UK Sun interview to fans who may have not read the article. He explained it. My problem with that segment was that it came off as, Jarrett is foiling Angle's plan to return to WWE and Angle is pissed in the next segment, because he wants to go back to WWE. That was the dumbest thing about the segment. So Jeff is like "ha ha, now you can't quit and go to Vince". So in real life, watch Angle quit and go back to WWE. Then what would the angle look like? Other than that, Angle and Jarrett's fued has been pretty entertaining. I loved the Jarrett return promo and Angle's responce to him. I like how Angle constantly says he's carrying TNA while Jarrett is pissed that he doesn't give credit to Joe & AJ, and the rest of the guys. Theres some consistency to this. I like how Jarrett is now known of the "founder of TNA". And Jim Cornette is still management director.

As for competition mentioning competition. UFC mentions WWE in small bits here and there, Elite XC mentions UFC and Afflication in small bits, now Afflication more because they've partnered up. UFC doesn't constantly hype WWE, they promote their own product. It was ok to mention WCW during the Attitude years because it was such a strong war. Isn't it common sence for TNA to promote themselves and not anything WWE? In TNA, they copy WWE's entrance music for the WWE names they bring in. They copy their WWE gimmicks sometimes like Booker T right now. If TNA wants to be different, then they should start packaging these WWE names they bring in as their OWN, and have them acting different and doing different things then they would in WWE. Instead TNA copies WWE's entrance music and gimmicks. Thats my main issue. I love TNA when they are different, like Samoa Joe and AJ Styles.

 

[IKnowMoreThanDisco]

Lets face the cold hard facts here Disco. Your old boss Eric Bischoff, the only man to ever successfully go toe to toe with Vince McMahon is possibly going to be starting a wrestling promotion very soon. If he manages to get the right financial backers as well as a network deal then this will spell BIG TROUBLE for TNA. I remember when Bischoff was on VOW awhile back and how he said that people like Terry Taylor(head of talent relations for TNA) and others in high positions in TNA were only cogs in a big machine in WCW. The Jarrett's originally wanted Bischoff to come aboard back in 2002 when TNA was starting up but he declined because he said they didn't get it. I guarantee that Bischoff's promotion would steamroll to the number 2 wrestling company within its first year. Within the first year Bischoff's promotion will have higher TV ratings, higher buyrates, higher attendence, etc, etc, than TNA. TNA should be worried, very worried if Bischoff's promotion comes to fruition or it could spell the end for TNA. I hope you left on good terms with Bischoff Disco because you might have to be giving him a call sooner rather than later for a job.

 

[MNF]

On many occasions, Eric Bishoff said he declined the offer because TNA was not "properly funded" in his eyes. I guess he wants Ted Turner money to spend. Remember what that got them. They lost 80 million dollars in one year....aka OUT OF BUSINESS, and if you say that wasn't Bishoffs fault, than you have to be wrong, since it was the same people that Eric brought in the first place. Bishoff even said that he wants 100 million dollars, and atleast 5-5/12 years to be a successful company.

Who cares if TNA didn't get Bishoff, they are here to stay, and have made money. I think Bishoff would be out of the business in less than a year with the money he wants to spend.

"IknowmorethanDisco" you kept proving that you don't know as much as Disco Inferno. Are you Mark Madden? LOL.

You are correct Disco that the UK Sun is a news stand publication. A fine news stand publication if I may say so. So fine of a news stand publication that Paul Heyman writes column's for them that are masterpieces as well as his broadband video series "The Heyman Hustle" that is featured on the UK Sun's website.
Lets end today with a little math: UK Sun + Paul Heyman= Epic Success

Don't you love my math equations Disco

Didn't Paul Heyman run ECW out of business? Some genius.

 

[anonymous]

Lets face the cold hard facts here Disco. Your old boss Eric Bischoff, the only man to ever successfully go toe to toe with Vince McMahon is possibly going to be starting a wrestling promotion very soon. If he manages to get the right financial backers as well as a network deal then this will spell BIG TROUBLE for TNA. I remember when Bischoff was on VOW awhile back and how he said that people like Terry Taylor(head of talent relations for TNA) and others in high positions in TNA were only cogs in a big machine in WCW. The Jarrett's originally wanted Bischoff to come aboard back in 2002 when TNA was starting up but he declined because he said they didn't get it. I guarantee that Bischoff's promotion would steamroll to the number 2 wrestling company within its first year. Within the first year Bischoff's promotion will have higher TV ratings, higher buyrates, higher attendence, etc, etc, than TNA. TNA should be worried, very worried if Bischoff's promotion comes to fruition or it could spell the end for TNA. I hope you left on good terms with Bischoff Disco because you might have to be giving him a call sooner rather than later for a job.

What new promotion are you talking about? Are you talking about the Celebrity Wrestling thing, or is it an entirely new professional wrestling organization?

 

[Marty2Hotty]

just finished watching SPIN CYCLE that is up at tnawrestling.com right now

Russo, glenn, terry and simon on Spin Cycle - 10/8/2008

- Simon sides with veterans. Glenn sides for both - likes the Guru.
- Terry likes the young guys
- Russo goes with the people that listen: the VETERANS - WTF? lol

jeff jarrett:

- glenn says beside himself, you can't name that many people that consistently have good matches.
- jb: "terry, did you see glenn's last match?"
terry: "i hope so" haha
- Russo says Jeff will add to TNA.. and they're all employed there because of Jeff Jarrett. Simon asks how Glenn got employed

politics:

- russo says they dont need a woman anywhere near the white house!
- Glenn kinda agrees with Russo. He says women think they know how to do something, but can't do anything.
- simon says two stupid italians (glenn/russo) talking like they are. he's a patriot.
- russo says if sarah wants to go to his house to clean his toilets, no problem.
- simon says she has a proven track record and that she'd make a fine VP - great gimmick for republican party. glenn says "what a moron".
- terry sides with simon and says glenn doesn't count.

travel partners:

- they need to put glenn, diamond, russo, and terry TOGETHER as the powers that be for TNA on-screen.. they all can hate glenn on air... and be the head honchos on TV

- simon says he likes terry and vince because all they do is make fun of gilbertti and he's an idiot. glenn is upset.. haha... terry also likes russo and taylor

glenn's favourite travel partner was AJ - doesn't smoke, drink, and when its time to go to bed, aj had blue pajama bottoms with sailboats on them.

- russo liked howard finkel haha.. because he religiously listened to 70s music... retro.. not the modern music.. he bashed the modern music. glenn likes disco music.. saturday night fever is probably one of the best soundtracks EVER

DIRTY LAUNDRY with shark boy:


Very entertaining show so far

q: if you could fire one person on the panel right now, who would it be. it's going to be disco i'm sure.. they'd say. jb thinks so to

- Russo says that big nose toucan sam across the table: Disco, haha. hilarious...

- Russo says what terry, pat does to earn his pay, and you can say "fire russo" all you want but he knows what he does to earn his pay. he says disco robs from the company, does nothing... russos aid disco said he left the tapings at 3pm to walk his dog, haha

- Glenn says Fire Russo. They all say Russo is the one that brought him IN, haha...

- man, why are all these guys not on television. Russo and Glenn need to be on TV..

 

[anonymous]

just finished watching SPIN CYCLE that is up at tnawrestling.com right now

Russo, glenn, terry and simon on Spin Cycle - 10/8/2008

- Simon sides with veterans. Glenn sides for both - likes the Guru.
- Terry likes the young guys
- Russo goes with the people that listen: the VETERANS - WTF? lol

jeff jarrett:

- glenn says beside himself, you can't name that many people that consistently have good matches.
- jb: "terry, did you see glenn's last match?"
terry: "i hope so" haha
- Russo says Jeff will add to TNA.. and they're all employed there because of Jeff Jarrett. Simon asks how Glenn got employed

politics:

- russo says they dont need a woman anywhere near the white house!
- Glenn kinda agrees with Russo. He says women think they know how to do something, but can't do anything.
- simon says two stupid italians (glenn/russo) talking like they are. he's a patriot.
- russo says if sarah wants to go to his house to clean his toilets, no problem.
- simon says she has a proven track record and that she'd make a fine VP - great gimmick for republican party. glenn says "what a moron".
- terry sides with simon and says glenn doesn't count.

travel partners:

- they need to put glenn, diamond, russo, and terry TOGETHER as the powers that be for TNA on-screen.. they all can hate glenn on air... and be the head honchos on TV

- simon says he likes terry and vince because all they do is make fun of gilbertti and he's an idiot. glenn is upset.. haha... terry also likes russo and taylor

glenn's favourite travel partner was AJ - doesn't smoke, drink, and when its time to go to bed, aj had blue pajama bottoms with sailboats on them.

- russo liked howard finkel haha.. because he religiously listened to 70s music... retro.. not the modern music.. he bashed the modern music. glenn likes disco music.. saturday night fever is probably one of the best soundtracks EVER

DIRTY LAUNDRY with shark boy:


Very entertaining show so far

q: if you could fire one person on the panel right now, who would it be. it's going to be disco i'm sure.. they'd say. jb thinks so to

- Russo says that big nose toucan sam across the table: Disco, haha. hilarious...

- Russo says what terry, pat does to earn his pay, and you can say "fire russo" all you want but he knows what he does to earn his pay. he says disco robs from the company, does nothing... russos aid disco said he left the tapings at 3pm to walk his dog, haha

- Glenn says Fire Russo. They all say Russo is the one that brought him IN, haha...

- man, why are all these guys not on television. Russo and Glenn need to be on TV..

Russo and Glenn are better off behind the scenes because they are making what the TNA product is today whether one likes the product or not. This was a very good Spin Cycle. I found every individual on it to be an adult but a kid at heart. It was funny how everyone was busting Glenn's balls, but it looked all in good fun. It honestly felt kind of short to me, but that could be testament to how much I liked this particular episode.

 

[IKnowMoreThanDisco]

On September 22, I posted my 10 things TNA needs to do list. One of the things that I said TNA should do is create a TV Title aka another singles title. On October 10th, many websites were reporting that TNA is considering adding another singles title. The report said Jarrett has been against the idea in the past but now he is strongly considering it. I find the irony in the timing of all this. Let me get this straight, I post an article on September 22nd and almost 3 weeks later one of my ideas is now strongly being considered. I have to give kudos to Disco for finally realizing that I know more than him. When Disco saw my ideas he took it to TNA as if they were his own. You might be asking yourselves how did he convince Jarrett since Jarrett was so adamantly against it in the past. I'm guessing it's one of two things: Either Disco gives a killer blow job like a fat chick or he threatened to come out of retirement to wrestle. I have a funny feeling that we will be seeing some of my other ideas that were on my list come to fruition soon. Disco you can take all the credit in the world for this but just know that I will always know more than you when it comes to wrestling and life.

 

[Disco Sucks]

TNA doesn't need another title. If TNA knew how to properly book their talent, they wouldn't need another title to push those wrestlers who aren't in World title contention.

 

[IKnowMoreThanDisco]

First Disco steals my idea of adding another title to TNA and now he's stealing my math equation scenario as he used it in his latest article. Geez, plagiarism at its worst but that doesn't surprise me since he knows that I am a trillion times smarter than him.

 

[dzonewrestle1]

Disco, I agree with you on your newest column on Eddie & Benoit....this might sound horrible, but they both made stupid decisions in taking way too many steroids and way too many pills. When Eddie Guerrero got bigger, Vince McMahon rewarded him with his big 04-05 push and Eddie obviously beleived that if he didn't keep taking roids and painkillers, he would lose his big spot. Benoit didn't get out of wrestling when he should have. He didn't quit taking 100 different drugs to save his health when he needed to. And I beleive the guys and the friends around Eddie & Benoit really should have told them both to get out before they die.

I agree with you that the Eddie & Benoit insane style gets over from time to time and some guys are tryin to do it. In the AJ Styles-Kurt Angle fued, AJ would constantly do flips over the ropes onto Angle's bad neck. Why did Jeff Jarrett, Diamond, and you allow that? AJ got over in TNA doing insane sh*t, and now it's time for him to stop doing insane sh*t before he f*cking dies. Kurt Angle seemingly seems to be the next to die because he really works himself too hard.

Triple H and Undertaker do such simple stuff in the ring. HHH is so consistently over and he never takes 100 x-division style bumps. HHH is the man and healthy for a reason, he's smart. The Big Show does simple stuff. The same with JBL, Batista, Shawn, Jericho. Jeff Hardy has slowed down a little bit.

I agree, the insane way too quick way too many bumps style needs to end.