I never mentioned you on these forums until you came on here.. You basically slated Russo for 5 straight years, used the UFC vs TNA argument all the time and kept emphasizing that UFC drew 400,000 buys with a 1.0 rated show in almost every argument. Kept saying ratings do not matter - yet can't say anything when they have increased every revenue stream since having TV exposure - something they couldn't have done had they stayed in the asylum.
Once again you distort and misinterpret what I say.
My point about ratings is that there is no monetary difference between a 1.0 or a 2.0. Yes, it's nice warm fuzzies to know more people are watching, but with fairly rare exceptions, there is no money bonus for a higher rating unless it's in a contract. THAT has been my point about ratings not being as important as buyrates.
When it comes to UFC, you keep repeating the same "real and fake" mantra, and completely ignore that UFC was "real" for years before it started being any real success. It was practically bankrupt when Dana White stepped in and took a pro-wrestling approach to marketing the sport. It became a mainstream covered sport AFTER its success, not before.
There is probably nobody on that "other board" that can debate Glenn here... yet everyone on the forums had a field day, including you, saying glenn would get owned if he went on that forum. yet you come on here and after getting schooled, are now backing off saying "i can't debate with him, i never tried to school anyone"
It's true I haven't tried to "school", because it's not in my nature. You should know that by now. Yes, I do believe Glenn would lose arguments on TalkImpact, because there are people far smarter than me on there. Like I said, I just like to talk about wrestling, and TNA more specifically, even though it's becoming increasingly more difficult to enjoy TNA.
You didn't add anything to any part of the argument because you pretty much talk exactly the same as Chris Cash, Dave Meltzer with the continuous bringing up of buyrates without having one fact that can back up what you say that can make this business better - the only thing you mention is "I liked Global Impact", "UFC draws way more buys than TNA" and "that guy at work likes UFC and thinks wrestling is stupid"
No, that's only what your selective memory recalls.
What have you honestly added since posting on this board? Nothing, you repeated and regurgitated everything you said on the other forum after a long debate we had, you gave up and wanted a "poll" voted by biased fans on that board who disagree with me for the most part to decide who won the argument.
Similar to what happened here actually. THere was a Schultz vs Gilbertti audio debate and they did a poll on these forums to determine who won..
I never lied about what you say in discussions. You continuously brought up Russo's WCW numbers for both runs, the buyrates, yet when I tell you to bring up his WWF ratings and buyrate,s you only brought up the first year, and didn't want to show that his 98-99 numbers showed an increase in buys as well.
Again, more ignoring of the facts that don't suit your little paradigm. The whole point was to prove that attendace and buys tend to increase before overall ratings when the product starts getting hot. I proved that by showing you the 1997 WWF numbers. Showing the boom that happened afterwards isn't really relevant to that point because the initial rise has already happened.
You continuously bring up UFC buys being way higher than TNA (not mentioning WWE) nad continue to say that TNA needs to be like UFC. Yet you won't bring it up here becuase Glenn has anhilated everyone who has attempted to bring that up.. I kept telling you before Glenn even made that column, that it was ludicrous to compare the two.. compare UFC to freaking boxing. Tyson didn't need the hype because he was the hype. One is real, one is not..
I found a post you made on another thread back in the other forums when i was injured and was debating for most of the day here.. wasting my time.. but you wanted to end i tbecause i schooled your ass
QUOTE by Zandrax
[Would you like this debate to end with a poll? I'm sure one of the mods would be glad to post one.
I'll make you this deal. We leave the winner of our argument up to the posters of [this board]. Regardless of who wins, we agree to not continue the argument any longer and will consider it resolved. No suckup, no punishment for the loser, we just agree that the people pick the winner and move on.
Agree or no?
My reply on 7/12/2008:
YOU were the one claiming victory. YOU were the one claiming to have made all the good points and that I was the one that couldn't win. YOU were the one ending the argument not I. So since you were claiming victory, I thought we'd just take to to the other posters and see. When I did that, you claim I was "giving up".
To say I "gave up" is nothing but a bareface lie, and you know it.
So, what's your purpose here? You came here because others on that forum thought he'd get schooled in his arguments, yet you haven't added anything new that hasn't been discussed before because you have said the exact same shit that everyone has previously said
Are you going to argue UFC vs TNA again or Russo being a failure and how brilliant a Heyman is? What else can you bring to the table that hasn't been beaten to death already? or are you going to say that TNA needs more emphasis on in-ring action and less entertainment again?
I already said, to discuss wrestling and TNA. Yes, I do think TNA needs to emphasize their in-ring talent, and let the athletic drama be one of the main points in the show. This does not mean Kurt Angle vs. Samoa Joe in a 90 minute Ironman Match on Impact, much as you'll try to twist that into thinking it is.
I was watching the AJ Styles DVD and recalling the Double Elimination match from the second PPV. THAT is the type of stuff that made me a TNA fan in the first place. All the guys played roles, and were getting their personas over by perfoming in the ring. It's that type of athletic drama that made me care about the X-Division. Now the top three X-Division guys are a mini-Steiner, a mini-Apollo Buckweat, and an Arab guy with a plane crash in his theme. Classy.
This is nothing against the wrestlers themselves. Personally I think Petey is great in the ring, but I don't get why TNA seems to think giving guys the gimmicks of other "bigger stars" takes them to any new level.
