This is fair enough, but I don't think it changes the fact that the NXT show itself isn't all that good, which is what IDR's point had been.
We can argue all day and night about whether NXT is in fact "good" or "not good." I personally enjoy the show, so I'm going to say it's a good show. You clearly do not, so you can say it's a bad show. However, I am clearly not alone, as NXT draws numbers that rival TNA's main show week after week, all while being on an even smaller network than Spike.
keeping in line with IDR's original post the NXT show itself currently hasn't achieved it's personal goals. If a few months from now Wade Barrett is a legit contender I'll happily take back my statements that he's not a break out star. But as it currently stands NXT's predecessor WWECW had a better track record of creating solid stars to move up to the main roster.
So many things to say. First of all, I wouldn't be so surprised to see Barrett holding some gold in a few months. He's already been in the ring with some of WWE's besthe even put up a fight against one John Cenaand remains one of, if not THE most interesting character on Monday nights.
Secondly, even if he's not a legitimate title contender in a few months, does that mean he's a failure? He is currently the head of THE MOST interesting program in WWE in a long, long time. Like, the best thing WWE has put on in years.
And as for WWECW having a better track record? In their... what was it, 4 years of existence? they produced CM Punk, John Morrison, The Miz, and Sheamus. That's one superstar per year of existence. NXT produced one superstar in less than four months, and don't be too surprised if the NXT Season 2 winner breaks into the WWE big time.
Yeah but lots of guys have made an impact they way the NXT season 1 guys have and as soon as their initial story died down no one cared anymore. Gene Snitsky, Heidenreich, Khali. All of those guys made debuts in a similar manner to the Nexus. They attacked top guys, beat them down. Feuded with them and then dropped into obscurity.
Yes, but there's a common factor between those three guys. They all suck/sucked. Every single guy in NXT is more entertaining than those names you just mentioned, even Heath Slater. They are also better wrestlers, even Heath Slater.
Ugh, I can't believe I'm using Heath Slater to win an argument, I feel dirty.
But again you're speaking for those guys personal successes after NXT. The actual NXT show in itself hasn't helped them out all that much.
Except given them a launching point for their storyline. Let's say they forwent NXT, and just had these 8 guys show up on RAW one night. What brought them together? FCW? What the fuck is that? Why should I care about there 7 random strangers I've never heard of before and that guy that I heard about on the internet? I'm just a typical WWE fan, and I don't understand why these guys think they can take over the WWE like this... Enough role playing, saying NXT didn't do much for them is the weakest argument I've seen in this thread yet. It gave them an opportunity to perform in front of a real crowd in real venues, get in the ring with wrestlers who have been around the block many many times, and it probably helped them make friends backstage, something that you can never have to much of.
Aside from Bryan and Barrett, I highly doubt many people paid attention to the other guys until they jumped to RAW, which really implies that NXT as a show didn't expose them as much as they wanted it to.
Speak for yourself man, I was very interested in Gabriel and Tarver. Also, keep in mind that Bryan left half-way through the season, so by your logic, we all became half as interested in the program? No, I stuck through to the very end.
And when that unit disbands, the majority of them are going to sink faster than the Titanic.
Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. Gabriel will go places that Evan Bourne can only dream of going. Tarver is magic on the mic, and if he can work on some fierce in ring work, he'll be a force. Skip Sheffield has the look and voice of a dumb but powerful heel, and David Otunga can be a more clean-cut version of heel MVP. Heath Slater may lose out, and Darren Young will probably float around somewhere in Zack Ryder territory, but the majority of these guys will be just fine.
Again these guys individual success after participating in an angle designed to get them noticed reflects poorly on NXT. If NXT were as successful as it was hoped it would be, each guy could've crossed directly onto RAW or Smackdown and immediately had a fan or hater following.
Uh, no? If anything, I think WWE has been pleasantly surprised with how successful the NXT rookies have been. They never said coming on that every single one of these wrestlers would have been future superstars, they said ONE would be. I don't get where you naysayers are getting this, "EVERYONE SHOULD BE A SUPERSTAR BY NOW!" bullshit. If these guys were introduced on RAW, they'd be lost in the crowd, never given the chance to stand out.
Instead they've been forced to remain a group and establish themselves as a group again because they didn't get it right the first time.
Or because it makes for an awesome, awesome story.
That's one way to look at it, but suppose what ever higher up it was that decided to cut Bryan to save face, doesn't feel like letting him back in. Seems like a waste.
Multiple sources have said it's almost inevitable that BD will be back in the WWE. He has John fricken Cena on his side. He'll be fine.
And I maintan that Bryan Danielson was systematically ruined by the NXT process.
That's true to an extent, but he really didn't need NXT like the other guys. Plenty of fans had already heard of him, and he didn't need the exposure. Even with all the losing, he came close every time, including a near victory over Jericho in the first week.
First the original post was that NXT the show itself was a failure, in all fairness I'd consider it difficult to call it more than a mild success.
Mild success and failure are two extremely different things. If this thread was, NXT is a mild success, I doubt there would be so much dissension and debate. I'd even agree with that statement.
It certainly hasn't done much better than WWECW did.
It's certainly fresher than WWECW.
And really the fact that the first season guys had to remain a group and re-introduce themselves, to me, says they would've been better just being stuck on RAW immediately.
Yes, sticking 7 strangers on RAW without any build-up would have worked really well. It's not like there's anyone else on that show worth watching...
but in my opinion, NXT the show hasn't done it's job, the majority of WWE fans aren't watching it. And because of that they've had to re-introduce the first group as a faction.
Probably because it's on Tuesday nights on cable. I don't think the goal was to attract every WWE fan, I think it was to get a sizable audience and to give those fans an introduction to these unfamiliar faces, and it has done just that.
When really at least 2 of them should've been ready to go it alone.
No, Bryan Danielson could have gone in alone, but not Wade Barrett. Wade Barrett was nobody before NXT, and he really proved his talent there.
Also it replaced WWECW which was a show that started off well and gradually drew less and less viewers. NXT hasn't regained those viewers, which to me says that it's stayed at the same level as WWECW and the WWE's opinion on that show was that it had failed.
ECW was a show that was reintroduced. It's no surprise it started out strong, but it fizzled out as it began to suck. Keep in mind, NXT hasn't even been out a year yet, and it's already attracted more viewers than WWE's only competitor. I'd say that it's off to a pretty good start for a program that hasn't been around very long at all.
So I can't call NXT a success in its current state.
Fair enough, but it's far too early to call it a failure.
But that's just me, I know the whole TNA argument can come off as me being anti-WWE, but that's because this thread had nothing to do with TNA and somehow it got derailed into a TNA-bashing thread.
Well, it's not that it came off as you being anti-WWE, but also because it's a stupid argument. There's no need to bash TNA though, I agree. I would just be careful to take shots at NXT and praise TNA when they are about equally successful on a commercial basis
So yeah I watch NXT just because I like to see what is going on, but I don't think it is the best way to go about introducing new wrestlers. And I cannot help to agree with the creator of this thread, I'ts Damn Real, that judging them solely on obstacle courses and "beer carrying contests" is really lame. They should focus more on in ring skills and somewhat on promos.