NFL Thread - 2009-10

[Baller]

Big Ben is no the MVP, considering they only had 1 offensive touchdown throughout the game, and in the first half he practically did nothing besides 2 pics. Another choice that could be week 1 MVP is Reggie Wayne. Anthony Gonzalez down led to him being double teamed all game, and all that did was give Reggie 10 catches 162 yards and a touchdown.

 

[BooCocky]

Big Ben is no the MVP, considering they only had 1 offensive touchdown throughout the game, and in the first half he practically did nothing besides 2 pics. Another choice that could be week 1 MVP is Reggie Wayne. Anthony Gonzalez down led to him being double teamed all game, and all that did was give Reggie 10 catches 162 yards and a touchdown.

Two interceptions that weren't his fault, yeh. And who executed the scoring drive? Who was capable of eating clock with no running game? Yeah, that was Big Ben. Who was capable of moving the ball effectively against a top rated defense? Big Ben was. I don't care about Brees, he played against the shit Lions. Tom Brady, against the shit Bills who basically have a whole new team and a brand new offense.

Big Ben is MVP worthy and it's only his blind haters who still believe the Steelers are a power running team who think otherwise.

 

[gd]

If you're going to give it to Ben, then why not Brodie Croyle? He had to come in on only a few hours notice, and face one of the toughest defenses in the NFL. Not only did he perform, but he was the 3rd best rated passer in the league. Yes, better than Ben. He was behind a much shittier line, had no run game, and had a lot less to throw to.

Did Brodie Croyle win? I don't think so. He hardly threw at all for most of the game anyway, his stats weren't that great. Ben did have 2 picks, but the second was on a Hail Mary, so it doesn't even count. The most important stat is that Ben own, Croyle didn't.

There were WRs with bigger numbers, and better plays than Holmes. I like him, but he's not the MVP of the week. Polamalu is a great player, and it sucks that he got hurt, but he did only play for a limited amount of time. That's the reason kickers and punters don't win MVP awards, even though everyone knows that field position is the key to every victory.

If you watched the game, you wouldn've seen that Santonio was the only wide receiever that was doing anything. Sure, Ward had some yards, but everytime it was a crucial third down it was Santonio who was making the tough catch, every single time. We would've lost that game without him.

As for our special teams, they were ok, not great though. I think because of how bad they've been in the past few years, anything looks great to us. Sepulveda was average at best and our kick coverage was decent. Nothing great, but rock solid.

 

[gd]

I'm not just saying this because LT is out with an ankle injury this week, I've actually thought this since before the season started. Lanadian Tomlinson's time as a #1 running back is over. He is going to be nothing more than a role player for the rest of his career. Some may think I'm crazy, but it's the truth. Let's look at it, shall we?

LT has had a ton of wear and tear on his body throughout his career. He's been among the league leaders in carriers during a lot of his career. All of those touches add up pretty quickly. LT is 30 years old, which is pretty much the age where most running backs start going downhill. Hardly any guys have had mcuh success at all past their 30th birthday.

LT is also injury prone. Over the last few years, he's had injuries ranging from the knee to the ankle. The older and more worn down he gets, the longer and more nagging those injuries are.

LT is one of the greatest running backs of all time, but not anymore. He can still help the San Diego Chargers, but I don't think they should be counting on him for anything at this point in his career.

 

[X]

Wow, LOL at you guys arguing for Big Ben and Santonio Holmes. First off, if we're going to be nominating Santonio, why not Randy Moss or shit even Benjamin Watson? 2 amazing TD catches in less than 2 minutes for the win? Yeah, that's quite a bit more impressive.

And Big Ben? Explain to me how he deserves the nod over Brady or Brees here. I laugh my ass off at you comparing the Bills to the Lions. The Bills won SEVEN more games than the Lions last year, and are going to be much better this year, they have a chance to win 10 games. Brady, playing for the first time in an NFL game in a year, completed nearly 40 passes for an absurd nearly 75% completion percentage, almost 400 yards, and led his team down the field to score two touchdowns in less than 2 minutes. Yeah, that's a whole lot more impressive than Big Ben's performance.

On to Week 2.

 

[gd]

Wow, LOL at you guys arguing for Big Ben and Santonio Holmes.

I actually went with AP orginially, but I thought I had to have Becker's back.

First off, if we're going to be nominating Santonio, why not Randy Moss or shit even Benjamin Watson? 2 amazing TD catches in less than 2 minutes for the win? Yeah, that's quite a bit more impressive.

Because Santonio was the key to the whole downfield passing game for literally the whole game. He was Ben's only and number 1 target for the most part.

And Big Ben? Explain to me how he deserves the nod over Brady or Brees here. I laugh my ass off at you comparing the Bills to the Lions.

Probably because they both suck.

The Bills won SEVEN more games than the Lions last year,

Considering the Lions won zero games, not as great of a feat as you might think.

and are going to be much better this year,

No, they aren't. They have injuries on defense, their QB sucks, their O-Line sucks, their only big offseason aquisition was a past his prime distractio making wideout. They are going to be worse this year, no doubt.

they have a chance to win 10 games.

Not even if they were in the NFC West/

Brady, playing for the first time in an NFL game in a year, completed nearly 40 passes for an absurd nearly 75% completion percentage, almost 400 yards, and led his team down the field to score two touchdowns in less than 2 minutes. Yeah, that's a whole lot more impressive than Big Ben's performance.

Brady was solid for most of the game, but would'nt of won if the Bills didn't hand it to them at the end. Ward tried to hand the Titans the game, but Ben pulled it out.

On to Week 2.

Jay Cutler = 7 INTs this week.

 

[X]

I agree with you to an extent GD. I definitely think LT's glory years are behind him. All of the injuries mounting up, and his age, he's simply lost a step or two, and it's obvious when you watch him play. He's never going to be the LT we knew from before. Who would have ever thought people would be clamoring for Darren Sproles to start over LT? I sure didn't.

That said, I still think he can contribute greatly to the Chargers or any other team he's on. I may not like him as a person, but he's still a great talent, even at this stage in his career.

 

[NSL]

Two interceptions that weren't his fault, yeh.

I understand 1 was on a Hail Mary, but that's the only time a QB can be let off the hook. It's ultimately his decision when, where, and how to throw the ball. He threw a pick, and there's no defense to that.

Big Ben is MVP worthy and it's only his blind haters who still believe the Steelers are a power running team who think otherwise.

He may be in the conversation for the season's MVP, but he's not for Week 1. I'm not a blind hater, and I've known since Bettis was done that the Steelers aren't a power running team.

Did Brodie Croyle win? I don't think so. He hardly threw at all for most of the game anyway, his stats weren't that great. Ben did have 2 picks, but the second was on a Hail Mary, so it doesn't even count. The most important stat is that Ben own, Croyle didn't.

I wasn't actually naming Croyle as MVP. I was just arguing that he had better numbers than Ben, against a tougher defense. He also plays on a much shittier team than Pittsburgh. If Croyle's not in the consideration, than neither should Ben.

If you watched the game, you wouldn've seen that Santonio was the only wide receiever that was doing anything. Sure, Ward had some yards, but everytime it was a crucial third down it was Santonio who was making the tough catch, every single time. We would've lost that game without him.

As X said before, then why not Moss or Watson? They were solely responsible for the Pats winning the game. And if you're going to argue a WR, Wayne wins, hands down.

 

[BooCocky]

I understand 1 was on a Hail Mary, but that's the only time a QB can be let off the hook. It's ultimately his decision when, where, and how to throw the ball. He threw a pick, and there's no defense to that.

Yeah at the end of the first half. The ball usually gets batted or picked. His happened to get picked. No big deal.

He may be in the conversation for the season's MVP, but he's not for Week 1. I'm not a blind hater, and I've known since Bettis was done that the Steelers aren't a power running team.

Even when he was still playing at the end of his career they weren't a power running team.

I wasn't actually naming Croyle as MVP. I was just arguing that he had better numbers than Ben, against a tougher defense. He also plays on a much shittier team than Pittsburgh. If Croyle's not in the consideration, than neither should Ben.

I disagree with this. Baltimore lost a lot with one of the best defensive coordinators in the game, and Bart Scott. Tennessee lost a defensive coordinator but Jeff Fisher is a mastermind. Also Brodie lost, Ben didn't.

As X said before, then why not Moss or Watson? They were solely responsible for the Pats winning the game. And if you're going to argue a WR, Wayne wins, hands down.

Or Leodis McKelvin for handing the game over

 

[Little Jerry Lawler]

So far my vote goes to Matt Schaub of the Houston Texans. For the past three or four years the question have been how far the Texans can go if Schaub can stay consistent. He went into a hostile environment and played spectacular throwing four touchdowns. This was a game that both teams had to win and the Texans delivered. This could be a huge momentum boost for Schaub and the Texans and a push to the playoffs.

So who is your Week 2 MVP?

 

[gd]

Schaub is a great choice. 4 TD passes to come back from 2 TDs down and possibly save the Texans season. Can't argue with that.

I'll also throw Frank Gore out there. He has 2 long TD runs and over 200 yards rushing to lead the 49ers to their second consecutive division victory and a 2-0 record. They have a chance to win that woeful division this year.

 

[NSL]

I'm going to sound like such a homer here, but fuck you.

Mario Manningham is my choice. Coming into this season, no one thought the Giants would have a credible receiving corps. Not only has Manningham proven them wrong, but he's been among the best in the league. Yesterday he had 10 catches for 150 yards, and made some great plays to bring the team down the field. Without him, the Giants probably would have lost.

I'd also give an honorable mention to Drew Brees. I know this is technically just for the past week, but he carried over his Week 1 play into Philly, and decimated their defense. He's working with a great offense, and showed that the performance against the Lions wasn't a fluke.

 

[Baller]

Jeff Reed.

Ok now in all seriousness my MVP would be Kurt Warner. In a must win game on the road on a team, people thought would be better then before in the Jaguars, Warner went in and threw 24 for 26. He would thrown it more but he got injured in the end of the 3rd and there was no need for him to go back in.

 

[BooCocky]

I'll say Jeff Reed for giving the game to the Bears...

I am going with Steve Smith of the Giants, he seemed to be Eli's go to guy towards the end of the game, and he was there on basically every crucial third down conversion. At the moment he seems to be there go to guy. Another mention is Antwan Odom of the Bengals. He had five sacks and was in Rodgers' face all day. A

Actually I have one more, Frank Gore, he had 207 yards rushing on only 16 carries and he had two touchdowns on top of that.

Damn you for beating me to the Reed comment

 

[jmt225]

Darrelle Revis.

After last week when he shut down perhaps the all around best Wide Receiver in the NFL in Andre Johnson, he did it once again yesterday to Randy Moss. Without Darrelle Revis ability to cover one-on-one on great Wide Receivers like Moss, then the Jets cannot blitz like they want to, otherwise Tom Brady kills them every single play for it with a receiver like Randy Moss on his team. But he couldn't do it yesterday, because Revis literally shut Moss down, and there aren't many corners in the league he could do such a thing. I was very, very impressed.

 

[Theo Mays]

Frank Gore and Matt Schuab are my two choices for the MVP this week. Both had awesome performances and were key in their team's victories. Schaub beast it up with 4 TD (a case could be made for Andre Johnson as well). And Frank Gore just absolutely rocked the Seahawks' defense. He had 100 yds in just the first quarter and monstered out over 200 yards. A great week this week for a lot of people as players really clutched it up. Just to be different I'll throw Carson Palmer out there as well. He was key in Cinci's upset over the Pack.

 

[NSL]

He would thrown it more but he got injured in the end of the 3rd and there was no need for him to go back in.

Because he didn't play the whole game, and because most people expected the Cards to win, I can't give him the award myself. He definitely deserves the mention, but I'd still keep him a little further down on the list.

I am going with Steve Smith of the Giants, he seemed to be Eli's go to guy towards the end of the game, and he was there on basically every crucial third down conversion. At the moment he seems to be there go to guy.

Good choice, but I already went with Manningham, and I won't go with two guys from the same team, even if they are the Giants. I forget who said it, may have been Colinsorth, but he compared Smith to Toomer. He's the go-to guy, but still does so much more. He can make a few big plays, can line up anywhere, and will almost always be open. He had 10 catches, same as Manningham, but I went with Mario because of the circus catches and the fact he had more yards.

Another mention is Antwan Odom of the Bengals. He had five sacks and was in Rodgers' face all day.

I didn't know about him...But, damn. I'd give him my 3rd place vote if we were using legit ballots...

 

[Theo Mays]

I just came in to mention Odom. He slipped my mind and he had a really good game against GB. Another pass rusher to give some credit to is Elvis Dumervil, he was all over Brady Quinn.

 

[NSL]

If we saw anything Week 2, it was that Kevin Kolb is not the answer. I don't think they should cut him loose (he did throw for 2 TDs and 351 yds), but he can't be a starter. His number one job was to keep the team in the game, and he failed to do so after the first half.

McNabb should be back this week, and Vick is now eligible to play, and Garcia is still on the bench. I guess nothing changes in the long run. McNabb will start, Garcia would be the top back-up for the QB position, and Vick will get his time to play in Wildcat packages, and in some of the crazy packages we saw the Eagles use yesterday.

 

[NSL]

Sure, they played the Chiefs, but they're now 1-1, holding an all-important win over a division rival. Russell was less than impressive, going 7-22 (I believe), and not racking up yards at all. But, he kept the game close, and the running game has continued to shine. The defense is the real force behind this team, so if they can keep it up, I'd say that they hold a shot at winning a few games. 10 is too far to shoot for, but maybe 8.

 

[Theo Mays]

Kolb is gonna start this week against KC. Honestly I'm not a big Kolb fan, never really liked what I've seen from him, but he surprised me against the Saints. Now you might be thinking "he had 3 INT's and was a key factor in their losing?". Well I think Kolb played good football. He did have 2 TD and 350 some yards. 2 of his 3 INT came in garbage time when it was just chuck after chuck after chuck. It was a hurry up and the Eagles were just trying to get some more points. Kolb earned the right to start this week and I'm glad the Eagles gave him the nod against KC.

 

[gd]

I've heard that McNabb isn't going to play this week. Due to the fact that they are playing the Cheifs and they have a buy Week 4, it's pretty likely they aren't going to risk it and give him a few more weeks to heal, which is the right move.

As for the starter, who knows? I doubt it'll be Vick, I don't think he's ready to play the quarterback position yet. I think he'll be limited to some WR and Wildcat work. That means it comes down to Garcia and Kolb. I think they can win with either or them, and Kolb didn't play that horribly last week, just had a few rough patches. I think he'll get the start and the win against KC.

 

[NSL]

As a Giants fan, I knew that the hatred for the Giants receiving corps was a little too much, but I still had my own doubts. Hixon seemed like the clear #1, but doesn't fit that mold. Steve Smith was the only sure thing coming into the season, and Moss, Manningham, Hagan, Nicks, and Barden were all a bunch of question marks.

What I want to know is, have Manningham and Smith quieted the critics? Are they good enough to be considered the top 2 WRs on the team, and capable of helping the team win games, and make it to the playoffs, and hopefully beyond? If Hixon is healthy, and Nicks can show the talent they drafted him for, then I think there's a good chance they'll be a more than credible group, and give Manning the options he needs. They can also help to stretch the field for the running game, which has suffered with defenses focusing on them.

What about you?

 

[NSL]

So Kolb is getting the start? I knew Vick wasn't, but figured that it'd be either McNabb or Garcia. Knowing now that the bye week is 2 weeks away for them, it does make sense to let him sit the game out and rest up the extra week. I'm not so sure about giving it back to Kolb though. Garcia is a better QB, and gives them the best chance of winning. KC is an under-rated team, and has played two tough games against two tough teams (Yes, the Raiders are tough, check out the thread!). They took Baltimore down to the wire, and could have had a win over Oakland. I don't think they have enough to beat Philly, but they'll keep it competitive.

 

[gd]

So Kolb is getting the start? I knew Vick wasn't, but figured that it'd be either McNabb or Garcia. Knowing now that the bye week is 2 weeks away for them, it does make sense to let him sit the game out and rest up the extra week. I'm not so sure about giving it back to Kolb though. Garcia is a better QB, and gives them the best chance of winning. KC is an under-rated team, and has played two tough games against two tough teams (Yes, the Raiders are tough, check out the thread!). They took Baltimore down to the wire, and could have had a win over Oakland. I don't think they have enough to beat Philly, but they'll keep it competitive.

If McNabb was out for an extended period of time, I think they'd go Garcia. However, since they only need a QB for one more week and Kolb is the one that knows the offense (even though Garcia was there in 2006) I think it's the right move. Kolb isn't the long term answer at all, but is a serviceable backup.

They should be fine against the Chiefs. Kolb was able to produce some offense and has all of the weapons around him and the Chiefs D isn't anything to write home about, even if they did shut down JaMarcus. It won't be a blow out, but maybe someting like 24-10