New Horsemen?

[BillAlfonso]

I'm watching Flair with A.J., Beer Money, and Wolf and I can't help but see a little bit of Horsemen in the group as well as my father, a Horsemen expert. The four of them are phenomenal in ring performers, pardon the pun. Roode and Storm can cut pretty decent promos and Flair can pick up the slack on the mic. I think they can be pretty good as a stable in the mold of the Horsemen because they have that no nonsense style. What do you think?

 

[It's...Baylariat!]

I'm watching Flair with A.J., Beer Money, and Wolf and I can't help but see a little bit of Horsemen in the group as well as my father, a Horsemen expert. The four of them are phenomenal in ring performers, pardon the pun. Roode and Storm can cut pretty decent promos and Flair can pick up the slack on the mic. I think they can be pretty good as a stable in the mold of the Horsemen because they have that no nonsense style. What do you think?

You mean what if these four guys reformed a stable and called it the Horsemen? Or if they had a stable in general?

Because to me, that would actually be a good idea. Don't like the idea of using the Horsemen moniker on it though. I think the four guys should have a creative name that signifies their role in the company, which is prominent. A stable should be used only if there can be great stories and feuds to come out of it. And to me, I see a few good things happening if this came to fruition. Beer Money, AJ, and Wolfe would make a damn good team and could be a dominant force. But Hogan doesn't believe in 'stables' and would quickly squash any momentum they would create by jobbing them to Abyss and himself.

But it's a good thought.

 

[steveh0481]

I can see a little bit of four horsemen in these stars, but I would agree with The Lariat. I dont like rehashing old ideas. Thats being lazy in creative to do that. I would prefer a new name but I do like the idea of having these four as the dominant group in TNA. Certainly would work out better than MEM.

 

[CuddleBuns84]

The idea of bringing in the a horsemen like stable is a nice idea, the concept seems alright, but I would stay away from the term horsemen. The reason why is because it's something from the past. I would much rather call them something like the Main Street Riders or The Solution. Something easy and catchy.

However, TNA got done with the power stable of the Main Event Mafia. I think that really hurt the company because 90 percent of the Pay per views revolved around them, and they usually won every match on the card. So, a 4 horsemen like stable might not be that good right now.

 

[smfiscus1]

The only time I think it's appropriate or ok to name a stable after something that's already been done is when it's a blood line thing. Case in point: The Hart Dynasty. Sure, they weren't taking the name Hart Foundation, but they used Hart and they upped the ante on the finisher The Hart Attack by adding a spring board to it. I think if these guys did a Four Horsemen thing, it wouldn't quite be right. Flair's son could do it and I wouldn't see a problem. But three of the four guys wouldn't even be a fair representation of the originals. I guess they could get away with "The Horsemen" without the 4, but I'd rather they came up with something different. My suggestions would be something like PPF - Past, Present, and Future. The promos write themselves.

 

[bullsgo]

I don't see the essence of the Horsemen in this particular group. Within the group, there really isn't a young, flag ship, charismatic leader to speak of. Legacy had HHH at least. Further, it comes off as four guys with no chemistry thrown together. No doubt Wolfe could possibly be this groups AA, but there's no way AJ could pull off Flair's role as the charismatic villain who makes it all work. That being said, Flair would have to play the JJ Dillion role. For it to possibly work, Beer money would have to drop the red neck gimmick and go GQ. Remember the Horsemen were all about style and class. I believe that there better off coming up with a new name ala Legacy.

 

[trashboy]

I happen to love these guys together as a stable.. it's funny though, if you watched this past impact, RVD made a "horsemen" joke by calling them Flair and the 4 Horses Asses

 

[Synner]

The 4 Horsemen? Really? Sorry to sound like The Miz but honestly I couldn't see this happening. The Horsemen is a legacy foundation which had a back story of friendship. The original Horsemen were something to be feared and respected at the same time. This current group does even come close. In the end I don't think that they could ever class themselves as horsemen or even close to horsemen material.

 

[PEP3]

Since this group started its association, I thought it only a matter of time before they gelled into a stable a la, The Four Horsemen.

With Flair at the helm, Styles is clearly the brash, World champion/contender. Wolfe would do quite well as the mid-card champ and future challenger for the World title (which always leads to being ousted from the group). Beer Money are ideal tag champs. In my eyes, this grouping that would work so well in this regard, I don't even mind the idea of the collective using the Horsemen name. After all, historically speaking, Flair was one of the very few consistent threads in Horsemen franchise, and he'd be there to tie the group together.

Still, I think it might suit the talent better to NOT necessarily place them directly into the Horsemen mold. Should TNA slap the Horseman name onto the group, it's going to obviously draw comparisons -- largely unflattering -- between Styles and Flair. As it is (and this is exclusively my opinion), AJ is already faltering a bit in this new role as Flair's protege.

To cast Styles as Flair's replacement in a next-generation Horsemen group would be really unfair! It would only serve to further point out how many light years behind the original he is in terms of being charismatic enough to carry a himself -- much less an entire entourage -- in the main event.

 

[Wainy]

I think ever since Flair arrived, there was always going to be speculation of some sort of Horsemen hybrid, which I love the idea of, & I believe the current line-up is good, but I would (& I know alot of people will disagree with me on this) get rid of Desmond Wolfe. Now don't start turning on me just yet! Let me explain, of all the men in the group, Desmond Wolfe is my favourite, but I just think that having a big man, ala Matt Morgan (who's arrogance is tailor made for the Horsemen), in the enforcer role just seems to work better. I'm not suggesting have Wolfe turn face as he is excelling as a heel, but I just prefer him as a sort of "lone wolf" (no pun intended!) It worries me that if he were to stay with the group, he might just get a bit lost in it all. Have him leave on amicable terms, maybe give them Chelsea as a sort of parting gift, then go on to win the Global Championship & make it a prestigious title. Waddya rekon boys?

 

[Judah's Lion]

i'm gonna combine a couple of responses into my one response here, mainly because there were a lot of good points brought up from several different people regarding this thread.

1. the joke RVD made about "the 4 horses asses" was hilarious. i always enjoy seeing just a little comedy in the ring and this was a perfect joke to me.

2. the stable is a good idea, but naming it "the horsemen" or any variation thereof will draw immediate comparison and thus, immediate criticism. and that's not an insult to the current stable as much as it is a compliment to the former. they were just so revolutionary and legendary that it's hard to live up to.

3. i really agree with "wainy" about mixing the stable up a bit. Beer Money is perfect as they'd be like the tag title contenders. AJ is good for the Flair type role and the world title contender. but Wolfe should go solo and do "the lone wolf" gimmick (also no pun intended) and bring in Matt Morgan as the enforcer type role. plus with Morgan, it really could be that stable of stylin' and profilin' and Flair as the manager and mentor is a great way to fit it all together.

i don't have any ideas for the stable name. it seems like a lot of the good ones have been taken already. new blood, new breed, main event mafia, millionaire's club, evolution, revolution, etc. lots of names already been used that would fit these guys well. so the name would have to be something new. just because the gimmick is being recycled doesn't mean that the name has to be.

but i do like the idea of this stable and hope that it changes up just a bit (Morgan for Wolfe) and that they stick around for awhile and become a dominating force. it's always cool to see heels be all the title holders for a while.

 

[Ferbian]

I agree with Lariat, I think while they shouldn't associate themselves with the Horsemen moniker, just like Evolution didn't associate themselves with the Horsemen Moniker, even if it was a speculated reformation (because of Ric Flairs involvement) but I absolutely think it could work very well as a stable in general.

I also think it could bring somewhat of a freshness to TNA, seeing as they haven't had a proper stable for a small while, at least not since the "reformation" or "TNA version Hogan" so to say, that is, if you discount the band as being a stable, but I do think either way it could bring freshness to the product, and ultimately prove like a great career move for guys like Wolfe for example.

 

[It's Damn Real!]

I'm a stable mark, and since the MEM disbanded there's been a major void in terms of putting together a quality stable in the company since.

To offer me one lead by Flair a la Evolution before it? Might as well waive a bag of free money in front of my face –*of course I'm going to take it!

I do agree with the general consensus here however, that the "Horsemen" name should not be invoked, just like Evolution didn't. The "Horsemen" are a thing of the past, though the idea of reincarnations of them are not. I'm not going to sit here and pretend I know what the perfect name for the stable would be, but so long as it doesn't invoke the Horsemen directly, or even indirectly, I'm 100% on board with the idea of running a stable like that.

 

[Mr Kickass]

I agree with most that they should not use the Horsemen name. However, i also love the stable. But I think it's time to disband Beer Money and replace James Storm with someone else. Maybe Matt Morgan. When I see Flair with a stable, i think of the well-dressed, high class types who love the finer things in life. Like Evolution. Storm just doesn't fit that role for me.

 

[shattered dreams]

I have to agree with what everyone is saying. Stables are fun most of the time and this one looks pretty good. Including horsemen in the name is unnecessary and might detract from the group. There are plenty of ways to go with naming it. Flair is cutting promos about him being god so something still in the revelation theme could be a nice fit. I think they can ignore the number of members aspect if they want as well.

Does Wolfe fit? It is hard to say. I think him being part of the group and eventually getting the boot to feud with AJ is probably the best place for him. How quickly that should happen is debatable. I am holding out some hope that we see a double turn or at least the beginning of one with Abyss and Wolfe. Depending on how they want to use Lethal if he and Flair want to put aside their differences at some point I think he could benefit from being a part as well.

 

[Jurgen112112]

Altough I like the idea of having a stable with that formation. Isn´t it so that WWE bought all things WCW owned. So WWE probably also own the name of the 4 horseman right? If so that name would be out of the door. I more like the idea of something in coming close to domination. Domination by ........ (something like that XD)

 

[jaxx]

I agree with a lot of you on the formation of a stable with flair in the manager role, but I'm not holding my breath, because tna will screw this up just like everything else. But if I was booking this stable I would turn aj face and let wolff lead the stable, then you could have aj feud with them, because wolffe costed him the rematch against rvd. Aj is a better face than heel, because aj's apeal is all the athletic things he can do in the ring hence the name
(phoenomenal).

I would replace aj with matt morgan as the enforcer, because he and his ego would fit well. This would be a well balanced stable of future stars being mentored by ric flair and of course aj will need help against this stable so lets turn sting face, because obviously once again fans are not buying him as a heel. Lets explain this by sting telling the fans the reason for his actions is because you keep your friends close but your enemies closer and let him throw suspiscion back on hogan and jarrett.

We're already waiting on hogan to turn heel anyway and jarrett is a better heel than face also. Another idea if you guys don't think morgan is a good fit then add jarrett to the stable and prove sting correct all along about jarrett and flair planning to take over tna or overthrow hogan or whatever.

 

[BWEEZY2009]

Of course they wouldn't be able to use the name the horsemen because wwe currently owns the TM to it.

But there were rumors on all the boards a couple weeks ago that TNA wanted to do a stable with Flair, Wolfe, and AJ.... Now after watching Impact and Lockdowns following you can definantly tell that Beer Money is the tag team that will be showcased.

Also if you re-watch impact!... you'll notice during RVD's promo he says "I'm looking at the 4-horses ass" soo that might be a little foreshadowing.

I love the idea of it to be honest. I've always been a huge fan of stables, and when you combine the talent of those five individuals magic awaits.

 

[waylon p]

i don't know, i kinda like the idea of reforming the horsemen, or something much like it.
hell, i even like the idea of james storm being the misfit of the group.
i see these vignettes, y'see, with the boys being taught how to appreciate the finer things in life by flair or hired experts, and james storm never quite getting it.
we could explore the comedic possibilities around trying to teach this cowboy how to use the proper silverware, to enjoy fine wine...the opera....bwahaha! this could be a riot! and as old guys are moved out of the group, storm could get no better at it as the new guys are trained. i see television comedy gold, here.
"jeezus h on a crutch! i was a horseman before i could walk, and i promise you we never used no lace napkins like that, we used our sleeve!"

the prophet has spoken!

 

[Darkk Chyld]

I dont get it, why do they need to be called The Horsemen at all? Whats wrong with Team Flair, doesnt that sufficiently describe what they are? Obviously them teaming together wasnt just for that match against Team Hogan since they're stil together but Team Hogan isnt together anymore, except for RVD (which is probably just because of his feud with Styles) and Abyss.

We already have one Team from the past that nobody cares about (The Band incase you couldnt figure that one out ) so why do we need another one?

 

[CenaSux4Life78]

As cool as it would be to hear The Four Horseman name once again in Pro Wrestling, I do not see it happening. I feel it would just be in bad taste. Mostly due to the comparisons. I was very young when the original four were together, and I hardly remember them. But, I remember enough to know they will never be dupilicated. As for a stable similiar, yeah sure. I am all for that.

AJ as the leader, yeah it could work. I think a little more time spent with Ric, learning how to be not just a heel, but a great heel, and sure let him run with his own group.

Beer Money is a great tag team, but they are starting to get bland. There is really nothing for them to do in TNA as a team anymore. So unless TNA does something within its tag team division, then Beer Money would be useless.

Desmond Wolfe, as the Enforcer? I really dont know much about Wolfe. I know he was over in ROH, but I never got to see him there. I like him, and think his work with Angle was great. But I would give this role to someone who is a little more established in the eyes of the TNA fans.

 

[Jack-Hammer]

I think that the time of the Four Horsemen has come and gone. Now, even though TNA wouldn't be able to use the Four Horsemen name, at least I don't think they would, there are just too many things holding them back.

I think the first thing that would potentially kill it would be the comparrisons to the first couple of incarnations of the group. The original Four Horsemen had a type of natural chemistry going on that you just can't really duplicate, no matter how hard you might want to. They just meshed and they all were certifiable stars in the company before they got together as a team. When I look at the overall TNA roster, I just don't really see it. That doesn't mean that it's not there of course, but I just don't see it. The four likliest candidates are Styles, Wolfe and Beer Money and it sounds good on the surface. I think that there are problems when you look at things closer.

Beer Money is a great tag team, they've been the best team in TNA for nearly two years now. However, even though I still like them, they've gotten really stale and bland. They've beaten every team in TNA, they've held the TNA World Tag Team Championship three times already. The only team in TNA that they really haven't gone over is The Band and, quite frankly, I've got little to no interest in seeing them feud.

AJ Styles is a great wrestler, arguably the greatest in-ring wrestler working today. He's weak on the mic, but that's one reason why Flair is where he is in TNA right now. Since becoming a heel, something I simply don't buy Styles as, he just looks kinda weak. I know that all heels are supposed to look rather weak and have to cheat to win, but Styles has been reduced to the point where he has to do it every match to come out the winner. He doesn't have the strong, dynamic presence that being leader of a Four Horsemen-esque faction needs.

Desmond Wolfe is the overall best of these foursome in my view. He's got the in-ring ability, he's got the mic skills, he's got the charisma. TNA, however, has made him into little more than a jobber over the span of the past five months. Wolfe has been misused since the beginning of the Hogan-Bischoff Era and last Monday was a perfect example. It's not so much that Wolfe lost to RVD Monday, it's that he lost to RVD in RVD's first title defense on a live episode of iMPACT! in three minutes. What could have been an epic turned into a true epic fail before our eyes. Wolfe needs to retain momentum and built up into the strong force he was 6+ months ago.

 

[Weems2k]

I would much rather call them something like the Main Street Riders or The Solution. Something easy and catchy.

Main Street Riders? That's almost as lame as The Mean Street Passe. Solution to what? TNA needs to build a good story, and feud for this group before focusing on some catchy stable name.

 

[future admin]

I'm with IDR, I love a good stable. I think this stable is working very well but it shouldnt be called the horseman, there is nothing wrong with team flair being the name for them. I really hope this stable can be even better then the mafia, I would mark out